The Hardtech Podcast

The Hardtech Podcast

The Hardtech Podcast pulls back the curtain on the bold ideas, design challenges, and engineering breakthroughs behind today’s most innovative hardware products — and the people who make them happen. From first sketch to final build, we dive deep into the minds shaping the future of physical tech.

  1. Jun 29

    From PT Clinic to Wearable: Cooper Boydston (Alenthia Run)

    What if the gait analysis that normally takes a lab full of motion-capture cameras could ride along on every run? That's the bet behind Alenthia Run. Cooper Boydston, the company's CTO, joins DeAndre and Grant to talk about turning lab-grade running science into a small wearable that sits on your sacrum, reads your biomechanics, and flags the form problems that lead to injury. It's two conversations in one: how the technology actually works, and the very real hardware-founder journey of getting a device like this out of the lab and onto real runners. What we get into: How running-form analysis used to work: locked in a lab, on a treadmill, covered in motion-capture markers, reviewed by an expert, and usually only after something already hurt How Alenthia makes it continuous and portable: data on every run, not just one visit The tech under the hood: pairing a well-placed accelerometer with lab-grade motion capture as the "true source," then using machine learning to turn noisy signal into a visual "fingerprint" of your gait DeAndre's flag-football hamstring story, and why small changes in form prevent injuries The hardware journey: shrinking a whole physical-therapy clinic into one device, and why "the first rule of hardware is to try not to do it" Why UX and industrial design have to come in early (the classic "where's the power button?" moment), instead of getting bolted on at the end The "lily pad" path of prototyping: lab accelerometers wired to a laptop, to a dev kit in a 3D-printed box, to a real wearable Being your own first customer, and the pivot from selling to clinics toward the consumer market The surprising core early adopter: people who would have visited a clinic but live where none exists, and why they happily forgive rough early hardware Product-market fit and Mike Seibel's "hair on fire" test The vision for V2 and V3: on-device compute vs the phone's "walled garden," and the resurgence of standalone, bespoke hardware Building the team as "three guys in a garage" while still running the lab, plus closing advice for hardware builders (the 90/10 rule, and the mountain you would never climb if you saw the top) A few lines that stuck with us: "A frog never jumps all the way across the pond. He goes lily pad to lily pad." "It takes 10% of your time and budget to get 90% of the way there, and 90% to get the last 10%." "You were three steps away about 300 steps ago." About the guest: Cooper Boydston is the CTO of Alenthia Run, which builds a wearable sensor that brings lab-grade running biomechanics out of the clinic and onto every run. The company grew out of a physical-therapy practice. The Hardtech Podcast is hosted by DeAndre Harakas and Grant Chapman of Glassboard. Special Guest: Cooper Boydston.

    From PT Clinic to Wearable: Cooper Boydston (Alenthia Run)
  2. Jun 8

    Moats & Multiples in Hardtech with Venture Declassified

    This one is a crossover. Grant sat down with the team behind Venture Declassified, a podcast about what it actually takes to invest as an angel, for a freewheeling conversation about how hard tech companies get evaluated differently from software at the earliest stages. Grant plays the founder in the room and asks three active investors, Jacob Schpok (Elevate Ventures), Mike Kelly (Start Something Ventures), and Ben Pidgeon (VisionTech), to tell him what they're really thinking. It runs from definitions to deal mechanics, with plenty of detours along the way: why your fridge is designed to die, whether subscription hardware is a fad, and a real worked example of a hard tech company that sold to John Deere. There's a companion episode on the Venture Declassified feed, so go find that one too. What we get into: Where the lines are between hard tech, deep tech, and a plain product company (and why quantum computing is "deep tech" until it ships) The business-model twist: hardware waking up to recurring revenue and lifetime value (Ozlo, Plunge, and a hypothetical kitchen subscription), and the financing gymnastics that requires Whether subscription hardware is durable or a fad, the Gen Z economics behind it, and how the speed of innovation killed the resale market Why so much modern hardware is "designed to fail" after the warranty, the uncanny valley of quality (cheap vs mid vs expensive purchases), and when to design for delight instead of indestructibility The opposite extreme: med device and oil-and-gas hardware, where the cost of a single failure is enormous The core investing question: how you underwrite a technical founder, why software is just as "diverse" as hardware, and what changed now that 3D printing and dev kits let almost anyone build a "banger" prototype Power law, and why a software company "looks better" early because going zero-to-one is so much cheaper The flip side: the hardware moat, why hardware gets acquired for the technology (not the sales engine), and why copying Uber had almost no technical risk Multiples and returns: 7x for SaaS vs 2-3x for product companies, and the angel's case for putting hard tech in a portfolio (hint: it looks a lot like life science) The Smart Apply story: a LiDAR-guided sprayer that reportedly saved a farmer about $800K in year one and sold to John Deere, and exactly how the investors underwrote it Closing wisdom: founder vs opportunity, what "coachability" really means, the danger zone of conflicting advice, and the quiet part out loud (if no one will fund you, you might be the problem) A few lines that stuck with us: "Once you graduate your product, you're hard tech. While you're still in Bell Labs, you're deep tech." "The same chasm the founder needed to cross to get from zero to one is the same chasm any competitor would also face." "If you're pitching the right market with the right numbers and no one is giving you money, you might be the problem." About the guests: Venture Declassified is a podcast about angel investing featuring Jacob Schpok (Partner and Head of Platform at Elevate Ventures), Mike Kelly (co-founder of Start Something Ventures and operating partner at Elevate Ventures), and Ben Pidgeon (Managing Director of VisionTech). This is a Hardtech Podcast crossover, hosted by Grant Chapman of Glassboard with the team from Venture Declassified. Special Guests: Ben Pidgeon, Jacob Schpok, and Mike Kelly.

    Moats & Multiples in Hardtech with Venture Declassified
  3. Jun 8

    One Device for Depression, Anxiety & Insomnia: Fisher Wallace Labs

    This one is a deep dive into the unglamorous reality of building a prescription medical device. Kelly Roman, co-founder and CEO of Fisher Wallace, flew in from New York to sit down with Grant Chapman and Drew Westrick (Glassboard's CTO is back in the co-host seat) to talk about brain stimulation for depression, anxiety, and insomnia, and the nearly 17-year road to getting it through the FDA. Kelly's path is anything but typical: a Harvard English major who worked in early social media, adapted Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" into a graphic novel for HarperCollins, and then took over a crude brain-stimulation prototype in 2009 because, antidepressant side effects aside, the thing actually worked on him. What follows is a masterclass in the parts of hardware most founders never see: how you design a placebo ("sham") for a device people can feel, why depression is regulated as a Class III device, and why getting through the FDA is only half the battle. What we get into: Kelly's unlikely route into med tech, from Harvard English and early social media to a graphic-novel "Art of War" How Fisher Wallace sold a research device for 14 years (2009 to 2023) under a quirk of FDA regulation, while running trials on it the whole time The 165-first-responder anxiety study that came back a "home run," and the pivot to a Beats-inspired, wire-free form factor Device classes 101: why anxiety and insomnia are Class II but depression is Class III, and the difference between "cleared" and "approved" The placebo problem in mental-health trials, why it's even bigger in at-home studies, and how SSRIs separate from placebo by only about two points The hardest design challenge of all: a sham device you genuinely can't feel, made possible by a high-frequency carrier waveform and a successful blinding assessment How the FDA weighs efficacy against severity, the suicide-risk calculus, and the "wellness paradox" where any risk outweighs benefit for a healthy person A category essentially frozen since 1976, brass-bulb devices from the turn of the century, and Fisher Wallace's multi-year fight to create a Class II path Why FDA clearance is not reimbursement, and the real-world-evidence game (IQVIA, healthcare-utilization data, employer pilots) that actually gets a device paid for Pricing and distribution: DME, upfront fee vs monthly billing, the VA and Medicaid, and recurring revenue from software rather than hardware The IP moat: a prescribable waveform, electric-field modeling, and one device for the three most common conditions A few lines that stuck with us: "It's never going to happen again in our space." "You have to strategically bake in a very high placebo effect in any mental health trial." "Just because you prove it's safe and effective doesn't mean the insurance carriers are going to cover it." About the guest: Kelly Roman is the co-founder and CEO of Fisher Wallace, which develops wearable brain-stimulation devices for depression, anxiety, and insomnia. He's based in New York. The Hardtech Podcast is hosted by Grant Chapman and Drew Westrick of Glassboard. Special Guest: Kelly Roman.

    One Device for Depression, Anxiety & Insomnia: Fisher Wallace Labs
  4. Jun 8

    Quantum Computing & the Future of AI with Cesar Martinez

    What's actually happening inside a quantum computer, and why might one end up in your phone someday? On this episode, DeAndre and Grant sit down with Cesar Martinez Delgado, hardware engineering manager at Quantum Computing Inc. (QCI), for a refreshingly plain-English tour of quantum computing, followed by a second half packed with the kind of engineering wisdom you only earn by building (and breaking) a lot of things. Cesar takes us from pebbles and voltages to atoms and photons, explains why a quantum computer "floats every path of the maze at once," and breaks down the competing flavors of qubits (superconducting, photonic, trapped ions, neutral atoms) without losing anyone. Then he makes QCI's case for photonics: room-temperature hardware that's accessible, shrinkable, and scalable, no nuclear-powered cryogenic freezers required, all in service of a mission to "put quantum in the hands of a billion people." From there it becomes a builder's masterclass: validate before you build, plan for the integration and testing that always blow up your timeline, treat engineering like a muscle, and remember that you learn far more from the wrong answers than the right ones. What we get into: Cesar's path from a curious kid who took everything apart (and couldn't always put it back) to quantum hardware lead, by way of 3G telecom, optical communications, and drone competitions Quantum computing 101: how representing and processing information differs from your laptop, explained with pebbles and a maze The major qubit technologies: superconducting (think IBM and Google), photonic, semiconductor, trapped ions, and neutral atoms, plus why every quantum computer still leans on a classical one What QCI is building across the whole quantum stack: computing, intelligence, cybersecurity, communications, and remote sensing Why QCI bet on photonics: room temperature, scalable, and far less power-hungry than cryogenic superconducting machines Quantum + AI: speeding up reservoir-style models without the crushing energy bill (and the new AI-focused product they'd just launched) Why quantum is suddenly everyone's "what's next," and why QCI is opening machines up for tinkerers to play with Richard Feynman and the principle of "representing nature by nature" The engineering half: fast validation, faking it with mock-ups, the integration/testing trap, budgeting ×2, "paper dolls," documentation, and designing for users instead of engineers Closing advice: planning and cadence, the 80% of the work hiding in manufacturing, and not over-automating the things your users will just swipe away A few lines that stuck with us: "Put quantum in the hands of a billion people." "We're trying to represent nature by nature." "Engineering is a muscle." "You don't learn from the right answers. You learn from the wrong answers." About the guest: Cesar Martinez Delgado is a hardware engineering manager at Quantum Computing Inc. (QCI), with 15 years of engineering experience spanning telecom, optical communications, and drones. He's based in Chicago. The Hardtech Podcast is hosted by DeAndre Harakas and Grant Chapman of Glassboard. Special Guest: Cesar Martinez Delgado.

    Quantum Computing & the Future of AI with Cesar Martinez
  5. Jun 8

    The Art of the Hardtech Agency with Justin Sirotin (OCTO)

    Season 3 is back, and this one's a treat. Justin Sirotin, founder and CEO of OCTO, sat down with DeAndre and Grant, and the three of them were so deep in agency talk before we hit record that we basically lost the first few minutes to it. Justin and Grant have walked the same road from opposite ends: industrial design and engineering, accidental consultancies that outgrew the "real" company, and years of learning the unglamorous economics of building a product development firm. What starts as two agency founders comparing war stories turns into one of the most honest conversations we've had about how these businesses actually survive, and why the hardest part is almost never the work itself. What we get into: The "accidental agency" origin stories, Grant's college go-kart company that became Glassboard (2015), and Justin's path from industrial design to founding OCTO The two kinds of entrepreneurship, and why a profitable bootstrapped consultancy is a totally different animal from a venture-backed rocket Justin's 2020 survival playbook: waking up from a three-week illness into a global pandemic, refusing client cancellations, being first in line for PPP, and going to zero salary at the top so nobody got laid off, then bonusing the team back How that crisis built so much trust it turned 2021 into a rocket ship Launching a China-made cycling product during the worst possible supply-chain moment (no boats, no containers, manufacturing-by-Zoom) The "one more thing" magic that makes a good agency, and why you have to burn a few projects to the ground before you're any good Rory Sutherland's bees and the "waggle dance": why big companies are wired for mediocrity and outsource their risk to firms like OCTO and Glassboard Why sales, not engineering, is the most expensive, slowest, hardest job, and why you only get a handful of real new logos a year Services-business go-to-market: long lead times, sky-high LTV, and the patience it demands Cramming your ego into a trash can, learning to say no, and letting clients "graduate" so they're acquirable instead of dependent The Charlie Armor story, recruiting talent on a client's behalf, and trauma-bonding through the Valley of Death Closing advice for anyone starting an agency: you can't theorize your thesis, you have to get burned into it, and BRAS (Build Relationships At Scale) is the whole game A few lines that stuck with us: "I buy people annually and I day-trade them monthly, that's what a consultancy actually is." "If there's not money in solving the problem, there's money in prolonging it. But that's not us, I want you to go to market as fast and as cheap as humanly possible." "You can say no with a healthy smile, and say yes with honest eagerness." About the guest: Justin Sirotin is the founder and CEO of OCTO, a product development firm. He came up through industrial design and trained as an attorney along the way. The Hardtech Podcast is hosted by DeAndre Harakas and Grant Chapman of Glassboard. Special Guest: Justin Sirotin.

    The Art of the Hardtech Agency with Justin Sirotin (OCTO)
  6. May 18

    Inside gBETA: Building Hard Tech Founders Nationwide

    What does it really take to build a hard tech company from the ground up? In this episode, DeAndre Harakas welcomes Davide Dantonio, Director at gBETA Accelerators (part of Generator), to talk about the mechanics of building hard tech and Industry 4.0 startups in Indiana and across the Midwest. Davide brings a global perspective; studying in Italy, France, Spain, and London before working at Kraft Heinz and Amazon Pay, and now leads cohorts focused on Smart & Circular Manufacturing, IoT, hard tech, energy, supply chain, cybersecurity, and workforce. We cover: (00:00) Welcome & Davide's path from Napoli to Indianapolis (03:30) What Generator and gBETA actually do: 50+ communities, 400+ accelerators (08:20) How DeAndre's view of being a founder has evolved (12:00) Action vs. planning: why founders who fail fast win (14:00) "Investor ready through customer focus": lessons from Amazon Pay (19:00) Inside the upcoming gBETA Industry 4.0 cohort (starting June) (22:00) The August Locks / Doma founder story and designing alongside customers (25:00) Two categories: early traction founders vs. university-affiliated IP innovators (27:00) Real founder examples: truck AI, optical lens manufacturing, pothole-scanning, animal gut health (38:00) What makes an accelerator program actually work (40:00) The financing & milestones framework (43:00) Why getting "no" is the best signal you can chase (46:00) The Five Whys and root-causing every customer rejection Applications open for gBETA Industry 4.0: a 7-week, free, no-equity accelerator for Indiana-based founders in Smart & Circular Manufacturing. Cohort starts early June. Special Guest: Davide Dantonio.

    Inside gBETA: Building Hard Tech Founders Nationwide
  7. May 6

    From Clinician to $100M MedTech Giant: Dr. David Albert, Founder of AliveCor

    In this episode of The Hardtech Podcast, hosts DeAndre Harakas and Grant Chapman sit down with Dr. David Albert; serial founder, inventor with 100+ patents, former chief scientist of GE Healthcare Cardiology, and the mind behind AliveCor's KardiaMobile, the world's first smartphone-connected FDA-cleared EKG. Dr. Albert shares how a viral YouTube video in 2010 accidentally launched AliveCor into the spotlight, attracting investors like Vinod Khosla, Qualcomm Ventures, Mayo Clinic, and GE Healthcare. He details the first-principles engineering that went into bypassing Apple's locked-down Bluetooth by transmitting EKG data ultrasonically through the iPhone's microphone, a workaround that still powers products today. The conversation covers the full spectrum of building regulated hardware at scale: bootstrapping $1M in first-year revenue by selling to veterinarians before FDA clearance, designing custom automated test equipment for overseas factories, navigating ISO 13485 and international regulatory frameworks, diversifying supply chains across Asia, and balancing two very different customer bases, direct-to-consumer wellness buyers and clinical cardiology teams. Whether you're a first-time hardware founder or deep in the regulated device world, this episode is packed with hard-won lessons on resilience, quality systems, and why the root word of hardware is hard. Topics covered: The origin story of AliveCore and the accidental viral video that started it all First-principles engineering: ultrasonic data transmission, Mophie case prototypes, and RadioShack components Guerrilla go-to-market: selling to veterinarians before FDA 510(k) clearance Scaling regulated hardware manufacturing under ISO 13485 Custom automated test equipment and supply chain diversification Navigating FDA, European MDR, cybersecurity, and AI regulations Balancing DTC consumer electronics with B2B clinical healthcare Advice for first-time founders entering regulated device spaces Special Guest: David Albert.

    From Clinician to $100M MedTech Giant: Dr. David Albert, Founder of AliveCor

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The Hardtech Podcast pulls back the curtain on the bold ideas, design challenges, and engineering breakthroughs behind today’s most innovative hardware products — and the people who make them happen. From first sketch to final build, we dive deep into the minds shaping the future of physical tech.