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Finn Thormeier

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  1. 2d ago

    Why Claude Code won't kill Clay w/ The Kiln’s Patrick Spychalski

    Patrick Spychalski is the co-founder of The Kiln, a leading GTM engineering agency and one of only six Clay Elite Studios, their highest partnership tier. They recently got acquired by 2X. Before The Kiln, Patrick helped Clay stand up its early social, events and partnership motions, back when Clay had just invented the term “GTM engineer”. In this episode, we talk about the state of GTM engineering 3 years in, whether Claude Code is eating Clay’s lunch, when a startup should hire its first GTM engineer, and more. --- We discuss: * Clay vs Claude Code * Patrick’s top Clay / Claude workflows and agents: what he would keep if he had to delete everything else * The newest tools Patrick is currently experimenting with * When to hire your first GTM engineer and what makes a good one * Into whom should GTM engineering should report into? * Why Patrick sold The Kiln to 2X --- Show Notes: Connect with Patrick: Patrick Spychalski’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickspychalski/ The Kiln: https://thekiln.com/ 2X: https://2x.com/ Connect with Finn: Finn’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/ Thormeier.co - Founder Brand & LinkedIn advisory: https://thormeier.co/ Mentioned in the episode: Clay: https://www.clay.com/ Claude Code: https://claude.com/product/claude-code n8n: https://n8n.io/ Modal: https://modal.com/ Eric Nowoslawski (Growth Engine X): https://coldoutbound.com/ Deepline: https://deepline.com/ BlitzAPI: https://www.blitz-api.ai/ Tom Wentworth (incident.io) episode: https://www.founderbrand.org/p/the-most-ai-pilled-cmo-in-tech-shares --- Full Transcript: Finn Thormeier: All right. My guest today is Patrick Spychalski. He is the co-founder of The Kiln. The Kiln is one of the leading GTM engineering agencies and clay partners. They recently got acquired by 2X. He also previously helped clay stand up their early social events and partnership motions. I wanted to have him on because I don’t think there’s many people who are deeper in the whole Thank you for coming on the podcast. Patrick Spychalski: I appreciate you having me. Glad to be here. Finn Thormeier: How would you describe the, I mean, you’ve been there since basically the, let’s say the dawn of GTM engineering when kind of Clay coined that term, which I guess has been like three-ish years, something like that. How would you describe the state of GTM engineering as of July, 2026? Patrick Spychalski: Yeah. Yeah, I think it’s at an interesting stage right now where it’s evolved to the point where many people, I’d say even a majority in some spaces of people in marketing and sales have heard about it. They know what a GTM engineer is. It’s becoming a lot more in the vogue, a lot more prominent. Even a year ago, I would say it wasn’t a super popular job role. And now most companies, especially tech companies, are prioritizing it as kind of a core role to hire for. It’s also in an interesting state where the tool stack, I think, is shifting a little bit. Clay initially came up with the term GTM engineering. That was kind of their invention. And I’d still say they’re really core to the work that GTM engineers do. But for a while, I would say that it was really one of the only tools that people were using for a GTM engineer, at least the primary one. It’s now evolving to the point where the Claude Codes of the world, obviously N8N has come out probably into the vogue maybe a year ago or so. It’s getting to the point where the tool stack’s changing pretty significantly. And also, it’s starting to come out with sub-niches of the role where initially, let’s say the broad GTM engineer role is what everybody’s looking to hire for, but now they’re realizing that GTM engineers mean something different for every company. There’s different priorities associated with every business. Sometimes I talk to a company and their main priority is outbound, so they need a GTM engineer who’s got a lot of experience with outbound tooling and the tool stack connected to it. Really want more of like a data engineer, like someone who can go into a data warehouse and sequence all the information to something like Salesforce and create these bi-directional syncs. And so I think they’re coming to realize that, you know, different GTM engineers have different skill sets and need to be hired accordingly. So yeah, it’s at a very interesting stage right now. Finn Thormeier: How would you describe what’s the leading edge of GTM engineering right now? I mean, I feel like three years ago, just having a clay account and having any workflow in there, that’s like the leading edge. Where are we now? Patrick Spychalski: Yeah, so I would say like all of the most talented cutting edge UTM engineers I know are building a lot of really interesting infrastructure within Cloud Code. So I think a lot of the really talented ones that I’ve worked with have realized that, you know, you can recreate a lot of the workflows you would build in no code tools in tools like Cloud Code and save yourself a lot of money depending on what the workflow is. But they also realize that these things should not be completely agentic. So for example, if you have an enrichment workflow, the whole thing shouldn’t just be an agent going and finding information and putting it in a document. It’s a big waste of money. You’re using a ton of tokens to do that, and it’ll end up costing you actually more than a tool like Clay would. Clay, I think, is a really good combination of the agentic and the deterministic. So they have to actually rebuild the scaffolding that kind of supports a tool like Clay as well. I would say GTM engineers at a lot of startups I know are starting to try to create their own workflow interfaces and agents. This is a lot more difficult for enterprise companies because of security and compliance reasons. It’s pretty complicated to spin up your own agent and then connect it to Salesforce without there being any problems. But for companies, especially in the Seed and Series A range, I’ve seen a lot of GTMes create their own workflow scaffolding and cloud code and almost become their own host for the workflows that they’re building. Finn Thormeier: What does switching or replicating things that maybe previously you did in Clay instead in Cloud Code, what does that unlock except maybe some cost benefits? Patrick Spychalski: I would say the majority of it is cost benefit. There’s a little bit of added positives. I’d say one thing Clay isn’t very good at so far, and I’m sure they’ll improve this, is the relativity component. Let’s say you source Yeah. You can think when you’re using Excel or Google Sheets, you can reference another cell in a table. Clay can’t really reference another cell. So it’s really tough to do that relativity. And that surfaces in a lot of workflows. So things like that, I think, are nice to build yourself or build in something. So there is some unlocked benefit, but for the most part, I think it’s just that place changed their pricing recently. It’s a lot more enterprise forward. They’re really trying to target these bigger companies. And for people who are at Series A or C companies with pretty tight budgets, they were having a lot of trouble justifying the cost, especially to probably the founders or co-founders or CEOs. And so it’s just easier to build it, something like Cloud Code. And again, we’re not really seeing that shift on enterprise. I think enterprise companies will stick with Clay for quite a while, just due to the security constraints and the fact that it’s like a real tool you can procure. Finn Thormeier: I mean, what is your take on Cloud Code eating Clay’s lunch? Patrick Spychalski: I think it’s a lot more complicated a problem than people say it is. I see all these posts being like, Cloud Code is going to completely destroy Clay. Clay is dead. Clay is dead. And I really just don’t agree with that. I think Clay has built a really good platform for, and I kind of mentioned this a second ago, but combining the agentic and deterministic aspects of enrichment to create a really cost-effective platform, even with them up They still create a pretty cheap way to run enrichment, build workflows, and safely connect them to platforms. And I really think the safety part is important to hammer on because, like, if you create a Claude agent that connects to your Salesforce, there’s really no guarantee it doesn’t just, like, destroy all the data, wipe it out, not use a sandbox. There’s a million things that can go wrong. Clay really is, One of the safer ways to update your CRM or send messages through a sequencing tool or update a data warehouse because you’re able to visualize all of the outputs before sending it over. You’re not letting an agent just run crazy. It’s just a direct integration with data inputs and outputs. Yeah, I don’t see any large businesses moving over to strictly cloud code anytime soon. I still think Clay is probably their go-to, but I can totally see the justification for startups. One other thing I’ll add quickly is that I think there are some use cases There are cases that are great to be replaced with Cloud Code, and then there’s others that aren’t. So a great example of one that I’ve seen a lot of people effectively replace with Cloud Code is enrichment of lead lists. And so if you have a list of 1,000 contacts that you’re planning to reach out You just want to find their LinkedIn and their email and their phone number. You can just plug that list into Cloud Code, use a tool like an API like DeepLine or something or Blitz API and just run the whole thing and enrich the whole list and send outreach. And I’m seeing that being done really well. People like Eric Nowoslowski, who runs a really successful outbound agency, has essentially just built this huge Incredible automated system that does all of

    Why Claude Code won't kill Clay w/ The Kiln’s Patrick Spychalski
  2. Sep 10

    My personal coaching session with Jonathan Courtney of AJ&Smart

    This episode is a bit different. A little over a year ago, I listened to a podcast between Jonathan and Jason Fried, the co-founder of Basecamp/37signals. I had known Jonathan for a while, and I’m a big fan of Jason Fried, but the episode was very different — it was almost like a therapy session. Jonathan had reached out to Jason for some general business and life advice, and instead of keeping it private, he decided to publish it. At the time, I got a ton of value out of it. So in almost a “déjà vu” moment, I’m doing something similar here, but with the roles reversed: Jonathan giving the advice, instead of asking it. We recorded this a couple weeks ago when I was trying to figure out where to take Project 33. Given that Jonathan had built a large agency but then also pivoted into other, more scalable offers (he’s the CEO of AJ&Smart and facilitator.com), he felt like the perfect person to ask for advice. And if you’ve seen any of my recent stuff on LinkedIn, you might’ve seen that I pivoted the podcast and launched my advisory firm thormeier.co A good chunk of that was kicked off and inspired by this conversation. --- We discuss: * Why I’m the one getting coached this time * Four ways to get a dream out of your system and “the tiniest announceable version” * The agency/offer ladder: from DIY (do it yourself), to DWY (done with you), to DFY (done for you) * 25% close rate: anything higher means you’re too cheap * “If you have to sit down and do 10 hours of work to be successful, then you’re just doing stupid s**t” * How to make a 500-listener podcast worth $100k --- Show Notes: Connect with Jonathan Jonathan’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-courtney-4510644b/ AJ&Smart: https://ajsmart.com/ Facilitator.com: https://facilitator.com/ The Unscheduled CEO podcast: https://www.unscheduledceo.com/ --- Connect with Finn: Finn’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/ Thormeier.co - Founder Brand & LinkedIn advisory: https://thormeier.co/ --- Mentioned in the episode: Nat Eliason’s essay on de-atomization: https://www.nateliason.com/blog/de-atomization-is-the-secret-to-happiness Built to Sell by John Warrillow: https://builttosell.com/ Sprint by Jake Knapp: https://www.character.vc/sprint Skool: https://www.skool.com/ --- Get full access to The Founder Brand at www.founderbrand.org/subscribe

    My personal coaching session with Jonathan Courtney of AJ&Smart
  3. Sep 3

    How to build & monetize a newsletter w/ Growth Unhinged’s Kyle Poyar

    Kyle Poyar is the founder and writer of the wildly popular Growth Unhinged, a newsletter with over 85,000 subscribers about pricing, monetization and GTM. He also has over 110,000 followers on Linkedin. He started the newsletter in March 2021 as a side project and went all-in about a year ago. Since then, his one-person business is doing over 7-figures a year, between brand partnerships, subscriber revenue, and advisory work. In this episode, we talk about how to build & monetize a newsletter, including how Kyle tests every newsletter idea before writing it, why Kyle’s pulling away from Linkedin, leaving Substack for beehiiv, and more. --- We discuss: * How Kyle started & grew his newsletter from zero to over 85,000 subscribers in 5 years while having a full-time job * How Kyle validates newsletter ideas before writing them up * How he creates his graphics, which are a large part of his success/shareability * Why Kyle is pulling away from Linkedin even though he has 110,000 followers * The math behind running a 7-figure/year solo creator business * Why he left Substack for beehiiv after 5 years on Substack * Why subscribers you get from the recommendation feature are mostly “garbage” --- Show Notes: Connect with Kyle: Kyle’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-poyar/ Growth Unhinged: https://www.growthunhinged.com/ Mostly Growth podcast: https://www.growthunhinged.com/podcast --- Connect with Finn: Finn’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/ Thormeier.co - Founder Brand & LinkedIn Advisory: https://thormeier.co/ --- Full Transcript: Finn Thormeier: Alright, my guest today is Kyle Poyar. He is the founder and writer of the Growth Unhinged newsletter where he talks about monetization, pricing, GTM growth and other practical advice for B2B startups. He started it in March 2021 when he was still working full-time at his job and it has since then grown into one of the most popular newsletters in the B2B space with over 85,000 subscribers. He is also a prolific writer on LinkedIn with over 110,000 followers. His background is in Venture Capital where he was an operating partner at OpenView, which invested in companies like Datadog and Calendly, as well as, found this out during research, a company called Project 44. My company is called Project 33, so clearly they have the edge on us. Matter of fact, we’re 25% worse than them. Kyle is also the host of the Mostly Growth podcast and he advises B2B startups on growth and monetization. Kyle, thank you for joining and anything to correct or amend there in the intro? Kyle Poyar: Thanks for having me on. No, I think you got it right, but it’s been interesting that I started the newsletter while working full-time in VC, but it’s grown big enough to kind of support an independent solopreneur business, which is pretty cool. Finn Thormeier: Nine months ago, right? Nine months ago, you went kind of fully on this business? Kyle Poyar: Exactly. So it was August of last year, of 2025, that I made the decision and then really went in earnest in September. Finn Thormeier: There you go. Okay, so you started it in March 2021, and then you were full-time at OpenView. In those five years, it’s about five years, you’ve grown it to 85,000 subs. Before we talk about the lessons, I’m just curious about your writing process. What does it look like? How much time do you spend on each thing? How do you pick topics? Just start where you want, walk me through your process. Kyle Poyar: So the starting process I had is probably the most relevant for anyone that’s thinking about starting a writing practice. I began on LinkedIn actually before I ever had a newsletter — wrote long form content around COVID. Very active on LinkedIn. And I would realize I’d have these pieces. I mean, a lot of my posts would fall flat and have no engagement, but I’d have other pieces that would do quite well, but I would run into character limits, or I’d post something and then it was impossible for someone to find a couple of weeks later. I’d also get DMs from people that were smarter on a topic than I was. And so I was like, I feel really constrained by LinkedIn. And so what I decided is not just that I would throw out LinkedIn for a newsletter, but I would test ideas on LinkedIn. I would see what my audience cared about. I would take that as signal to go write a deeper piece on a topic, or sometimes string together multiple LinkedIn posts to turn it into a piece. And then I’d promote that back on LinkedIn. And so it all became a flywheel where for me, it wasn’t like I’m going to have this brilliant idea and write about it and then post. I think about content as a place where writing and distribution need to be on equal footing, and where the best practices create a flywheel where you’re building for and with a community. And I think that’s what can make a newsletter really stand out. Finn Thormeier: And if I remember correctly, back then when you started on LinkedIn, you were an operating partner. So you were working with the portfolio companies at your VC firm on their go-to-market strategy, pricing. And I think you were kind of talking about lessons, takeaways, insights, things that you were seeing with those portfolio companies. Kyle Poyar: Exactly. Exactly. And so for my content calendar, and even for the LinkedIn content calendar, often it was pretty informal. Finn Thormeier: Did you back then have like a, “I’m going to post every single day” or “I’m going to post twice a week,” or was it just completely ad hoc whenever something popped into your head? Kyle Poyar: Back then it was pretty ad hoc. I mean, some of these people post literally daily, including weekends. I don’t know how you have the stamina to do that. I’ve always been long winded and I just don’t have enough good ideas that I want to go that deep about every single day. My cadence over time has been about two to maybe four times a week — almost never publish more frequently than that, unless something is like really wrong with me. And it’s pretty ad hoc. I like to post multiple days a week. And so if I don’t have any ideas, I might find something from my archives and kind of tweak it or tailor it. But generally it’s not super planned far in advance. I try to keep things fresh. There’s one point in my career when I used a scheduling tool, actually the native post scheduling tool within LinkedIn. And then I realized it was either the content was outdated, or maybe it was LinkedIn penalizes you for scheduling content — I don’t exactly know what it was, but I felt like that was actually having way worse results than publishing fresh insights. I almost always post in the morning. I do find that that’s when I have my best ideas, I’m sharpest, but also that’s when people are most engaged. Sundays work surprisingly well. I think there’s just a lot less competition and you get all the LinkedIn diehards on Sunday, but then your post is the first thing people see on Monday too. So I do find that that works quite well. And I will say one thing that works quite well for me is I think about the visual as much as the text. I spent six years in consulting and so I would make decks — I’ve always thought in terms of slides — but I would translate that to LinkedIn infographic style visuals. And that’s become a bit of a signature, a calling card for me. But those visuals perform far better than text only posts. They’re way easier to share. I think it’s partly to do with, it feels save worthy — like, oh, I should save this and maybe bookmark it for a presentation I’m working on, or I can share this with a friend or colleague. I think it’s also something that drives more dwell time. These are generally not super simple infographics. They’re pretty complicated ones, which means people are actually spending real time reading it. And that means they’re spending more time on LinkedIn, which means LinkedIn can get more ad dollars. And so they’re going to push that harder. And so these dense infographics are the starting point for most of my posts. Finn Thormeier: How much time do you spend on an infographic? Kyle Poyar: 30 minutes, maybe. I actually do them all by hand. I have got a Google Slides template that was made by a great designer when I was at OpenView, and I’ve kept that template and made some tweaks. But it has a couple of fonts in it that are out of the box in Google Slides, a couple of colors, nothing fancy. But I literally will make the visuals myself, which feels weird to be doing point and click in 2026. Some people would say, is that really the best use of your time? But honestly, if you get the visual right, that can make the difference between a post being viral or not. I reuse posts in speaking decks when I go out and do public speaking. I’ll put those visuals in my newsletter articles. A great visual is so valuable that it feels very hard for me to give that up. But yeah, I’m not taking hours and hours on it. Finn Thormeier: Do you start with writing the text and then later you find a graphic that works for it? Or do you start with the graphic and then write? Kyle Poyar: Oh no, the graphic is the starting point. And then I write something to go with it. I think of a hook that I think is useful. And then the graphic is so dense, there’s actually a lot of writing in the graphic itself. And so I often copy and paste from what I wrote for the graphic into LinkedIn. It’s kind of like, I mean, if you go on Instagram, people put captions with their posts, but realistically, you scroll through Instagram for the image or for the video. And I think people do similar things on LinkedIn where the hook has to be strong, but the visual also has to be quite strong. Finn Thormeier: Which visual are you very proud of that we can a little bit use here as an example? Kyle Poyar: You can take the pricing one. That’s the one you’

    How to build & monetize a newsletter w/ Growth Unhinged’s Kyle Poyar
  4. Aug 6

    Fibbler’s Founder Brand + LinkedIn Thought Leader Ads Playbook w/ Adam Holmgren

    Adam Holmgren is the co-founder & CEO of Fibbler, a paid ads attribution tool that connects your Linkedin and Google ad accounts to your CRM and calculates influenced pipeline and revenue. They are bootstrapped, roughly 2.5 years in, and they just hit $1M ARR with a team of two. Before Fibbler, Adam was Head of Demand Gen at Rillion and GetAccept. In this episode, we talk about how Adam batch writes five posts every Sunday night, his three content pillars, the $10-15k/month Linkedin ads engine behind Fibbler’s growth, the 100-like threshold for turning posts into ads, cold vs retargeting frequency, and the pink lion mascot that became one of their best marketing assets. --- We discuss: * How Adam writes five Linkedin posts every Sunday night * The three content pillars behind Fibbler’s growth * Why almost every Adam post is an image post now (and why pure text posts stopped working for him) * His 100-like threshold to decide which organic posts get promoted into Thought Leader ads * Fibbler’s two-layer ad structure * The $100,000 ad-spend post that’s been running as an ad for over a year * Why the founder of an attribution tool ignores attribution for his own advertising * The pink lion mascot * Running B2B ads on Hulu & HBO Max through Linkedin CTV --- Connect with Adam: Adam’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-holmgren/ Fibbler: https://fibbler.co/ --- Connect with Finn: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/ Project 33 - LinkedIn Agency for CEOs: https://www.project33.io/ (do we want to switch this alredy to: Thormeier.co: https://thormeier.co/) Hope you enjoy!! Get full access to The Founder Brand at www.founderbrand.org/subscribe

    Fibbler’s Founder Brand + LinkedIn Thought Leader Ads Playbook w/ Adam Holmgren
  5. Jul 30

    How to market to AI agents

    Kevin White is the Head of Marketing at Scrunch AI, an AI visibility and agent experience platform just acquired by Sitecore. Before Scrunch AI, Kevin was Head of Marketing & GTM Strategy at Common Room, Head of Marketing at Retool, and Head of Growth Marketing at Segment, which was acquired by Twilio. In this episode, we talk about how to market when AI agents are your PRIMARY website visitor, the 8,000-token site Scrunch serves to bots, becoming AI’s default recommendation, how Kevin automated his weekly reporting with Claude Code, and more. --- We discuss: * The average website now gets 60-70% of its’ traffic from bots (source: Cloudflare) - and what that means for you * How to market when your PRIMARY website visitor becomes AI agents * The 8,000-token version of Scrunch’s website they serve to AI agents vs the 300,000-token version they serve to humans * Does the llms.txt file matter? * The next moat is becoming AI’s default recommendation and what to learn from products like Neon & Supabase * Is marketing’s new job writing clean and clear documentation? * Defining “LLM-led growth” --- Connect with Kevin: Kevin’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevbosaurus/ Scrunch AI: https://scrunch.com/ Sitecore: https://www.sitecore.com/ --- Connect with Finn: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/ Project 33 - LinkedIn Agency for CEOs: https://www.project33.io/ --- Mentioned in the episode: Vector: https://vector.co/ Wispr Flow: https://wisprflow.ai/ Granola: https://www.granola.ai/ Claude Code: https://claude.com/claude-code TBPN: https://www.tbpn.com/ Marketing Against the Grain: https://marketingagainstthegrain.com/podcast Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/podcast PostHog: https://posthog.com/ Torq: https://torq.io/ Hope you enjoy!! Get full access to The Founder Brand at www.founderbrand.org/subscribe

    How to market to AI agents
  6. Jul 23

    This CEO cut his LinkedIn time by 75% using THIS Claude Skill (while improving performance)

    Peter Caputa is the CEO at Databox (analytics platform, doing about $10m ARR) and ex-VP Sales at HubSpot. This is his 4th time on the podcast, which is the record. Since the first time I had him on the show about 3 years ago in Oct 2023, he has been extremely consistent on Linkedin, building his CEO brand. He recently posted about a Claude Skill he built that streamlined how he writes his Linkedin posts, cutting his time spent by 75% while improving his average post performance. So I brought him back on the show to break it down for us. --- We discuss: * Should every B2B CEO still be active on Linkedin? * Breaking down his Claude skill * How he built the skill * Every tool / connector the skill calls to pull in data * Running through it using a real Linkedin post example * The “charges” framework for writing hooks * AI writing vs AI slop --- Connect with Peter: Peter’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pc4media/ Databox: https://databox.com/ --- Connect with Finn: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/ Project 33 - LinkedIn Agency for CEOs: https://www.project33.io/ --- Show notes / mentioned in the episode: Databox MCP: https://databox.com/mcp Peter’s post about his Claude skill: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/pc4media_writing-a-linkedin-post-used-to-take-me-2-share-7448480446147051521-IvYE/ Download Peter’s Claude skill: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15ldmkbyvOI0F13joRRvjPd9UQ71M3kb3/view Peter’s entire Linkedin performance history: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18c4tt8EjYOjxqCJylJ6Kigichv-57YdoqQ3-KrrKcUM/edit?usp=sharing AuthoredUp: https://authoredup.com/ Avoma: https://www.avoma.com/ Asana: https://asana.com/ TypeRacer: https://play.typeracer.com/ 10FastFingers: https://10fastfingers.com/ Hope you enjoy!! Let me know your thoughts / feedback Get full access to The Founder Brand at www.founderbrand.org/subscribe

    This CEO cut his LinkedIn time by 75% using THIS Claude Skill (while improving performance)
  7. Jul 10

    The most AI-pilled CMO in tech shares his Claude setup

    Tom Wentworth is the CMO at incident.io, and the most AI-pilled marketing leader I’ve talked to. Before incident.io, Tom was CMO at Recorded Future, RapidMiner, Acquia and Optimizely. You can call that quite a track record. In this episode, I have Tom show and explain how he runs marketing from inside Claude Code, his “agency agent” that builds Linkedin campaigns autonomously, why engineers are taking over GTM, and his top advice to CMOs in 2026. --- We discuss: * How he runs his day-to-day as CMO now vs 3 years ago * Why 30% of his time goes into bug fixing * How he builds agents & Claude skills * Claude Code vs Cowork vs Clay * incident’s “Applied AI” team and why the next GTM engineer is a real engineer sitting inside the CTO’s org * The most impactful agents/skills/workflows his team built and ACTUALLY use * The one - and only - thing Tom would still hire an agency for * Don Jeter’s monster trucks vs Tom’s agents: comparing two playbooks * His top 10 pieces of advice for CMOs in 2026 * Why the CMO role might actually go away --- Connect with Tom: Tom’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/twentworth/ Tom’s blog: https://tomwentworth.com/ incident.io: https://incident.io/ --- Connect with Finn: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/ Project 33 - LinkedIn Agency for CEOs: https://www.project33.io/ --- Mentioned in the episode: Clay: https://www.clay.com/ Granola: https://www.granola.ai/ Linear: https://linear.app/ Fibbler: https://www.fibbler.co/ Torq: https://torq.io/ Blog post from 2016: https://tomwentworth.com/2016/02/18/some-practical-advice-for-aspiring-tech-cmos-c4f2a69a09f2/ Hope you enjoy!! Get full access to The Founder Brand at www.founderbrand.org/subscribe

    The most AI-pilled CMO in tech shares his Claude setup
  8. Jul 2

    How to run a successful ABX program

    Trinity Nguyen is the CMO at UserGems, where she also leads their AI GTM function. UserGems is an ABM platform used by companies like Crowdstrike, Gong, Box, and our friends at Sendoso. And… THEY EAT THEIR OWN DOG FOOD (or drink their own champagne). Trinity has been running UserGems’ own ABX program for the last 6 years and iterated and improved on it every year. It now drives over 30% of their overall net new revenue growth.In this episode, we break down their 2025 ABX program that took 6,000 target accounts, converted 12% into Opportunities, and generated multi millions in ARR - and what she’s changing about that approach for 2026. --- We discuss: * The complete breakdown of UserGems’ ABX program that converted 12% of 6,000 target accounts into opps - 30% of net new revenue * How to build your TAM/SAM * Why they pick exactly 500 accounts every month * Why Clay is great for testing 3 signals and a trap once you’re running 40 * Why Trinity ran cold outbound herself - and tells every marketer to do the same for at least a month * Outbound vs ads for breaking into an account * Role of events in your ABX strategy * Why the SDR function HAS to sit under the CMO if you’re running ABX * The Chrome extension that 3x their meetings booked from cold calls * How to correctly do attribution for your ABX program --- Connect with Trinity: Trinity’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trinitynguyen/ UserGems: https://www.usergems.com/ --- Connect with Finn: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/ Project 33 - LinkedIn Agency for CEOs: https://www.project33.io/ --- Mentioned in the episode: Clay: https://www.clay.com/ Outreach: https://www.outreach.io/ Pavilion: https://www.joinpavilion.com/ Hope you enjoy!! Get full access to The Founder Brand at www.founderbrand.org/subscribe

    How to run a successful ABX program

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