The 5Cs: Business, Climate, Leadership Done Differently

Charlene Norman
  • 0.0 (0)
  • Entrepreneurship
  • Updated Weekly

A podcast on business, climate risk, and leadership, exploring what happens when companies choose stewardship over the old systems. Imagine the profit. Imagine the impact. Imagine if every business led this way.

  1. 5d ago

    Hearts Only Have One Colour

    Series: The Other Eye Episode: Hearts Only Have One Colour Indigenous elders are famously careful about who they share their knowledge with. So what made them trust a finance graduate from Boston? Ryan's answer isn't about anything he said. It's about how he showed up: curiosity with no attachment to the answer, humility, and a fire to serve something bigger than himself. He shares the lesson a teacher in Hawaii gave him every single day ("What do you want me to say? You already answered your own question.") and why most of the questions we ask in business aren't really questions at all. Then he names what he calls the unholy trinity of modern thinking: mechanization, reductionism and separability. It built the world we live in, from our computers to our hot showers. It also can't solve the problems it created. Ryan walks through the full picture of Two-Eyed Seeing and explains why chasing solutions one problem at a time keeps producing more problems. You can find Ryan here, here and here. Three things you'll take away: The question test: are you asking, or are you already answering?The three habits under most Western problem-solving, what they do well, and where they fall shortWhy getting to the root of a problem means you may not need a solution at all The 5Cs Podcast connects forward-thinking executives who are building sustainable competitive advantages while driving positive impact. Think of it as an exclusive network of leaders who understand that stewardship isn't just good ethics - it's good business. Becausing addressing business stewardship climate risk and leadership together is in the highest good for all. Connect with Charlene Norman on LinkedIn, find her at her website, subscribe to our Substack for strategic insights, or download the full series on Spotify and Apple.

    Hearts Only Have One Colour

  2. Oct 3

    What Happens When You Stop Looking With One Eye Closed

    Series: The Other Eye Episode: What Happens When You Stop Looking With One Eye Closed We have more data, more frameworks and more leadership development than at any point in history. The problems keep getting bigger. What if the issue isn't what we know, but the lens we're looking through? Ryan James Kemp grew up in Boston, earned a finance degree, and then spent the next 14 years in 65 countries learning from Indigenous elders, wisdom keepers, permaculturists and business leaders on six continents. In this series opener, he takes us to his first job out of university: a village in Cameroon, trying to find out why half the food in the country's breadbasket was going to waste. He went to teach sustainability to farmers. He had never planted a seed. From there, Ryan separates colonialism, the event, from coloniality, the patterns of seeing and deciding it left behind that still run today. And he introduces the indigenous concept of Two-Eyed Seeing. One eye holds measurement, data, models and prediction. The other holds relationship, place, story and reciprocity. Open both, and something new shows up.  You can find Ryan here, here and here. Three things you'll take away: Why Ryan draws a line between intellect and intelligence, and what a village in Cameroon taught him about the differenceHow coloniality works: the past isn't finished, and old patterns keep shaping business decisions long after the eventWhat happens when you open both eyes, and the third thing, depth perception, that neither eye gives you alone The 5Cs Podcast connects forward-thinking executives who are building sustainable competitive advantages while driving positive impact. Think of it as an exclusive network of leaders who understand that stewardship isn't just good ethics - it's good business. Becausing addressing business stewardship climate risk and leadership together is in the highest good for all. Connect with Charlene Norman on LinkedIn, find her at her website, subscribe to our Substack for strategic insights, or download the full series on Spotify and Apple.

    What Happens When You Stop Looking With One Eye Closed

  3. Sep 26

    The Next Right Step

    Nicola Robins has walked us through a mine that spoke, a body that wouldn't let a strange experience go, and a hard refusal to be called a bridge between old knowledge and new. This episode brings it home to the question business people actually ask: does any of it work? Her answer isn't a case study with a tidy before-and-after. It's a distinction. The deliverable, the disclosure, the risk model, the box that has to get ticked, that can be done the ordinary way. What changes is the outcome underneath it. A team that starts trusting its own read on a value chain instead of overriding it with a checklist. A leader who understands why putting people first isn't soft, it's how you get the results the profit-first version keeps promising and rarely delivers. The episode closes with a practical exercise. No framework, no consultant required. Just a way to hold a hard problem loosely enough that something useful can actually surface.   Nicola Robins offers a radically human approach to sustainability transition in an era of uncertainty and AI. Her work sits at the intersection of sustainability, complexity science, and the indigenous Ngoma tradition, drawing on more than three decades of organisational practice across the continent. She co-founded the Cape Town–based consultancy Incite in 2005 and now works as an independent consultant while remaining part of the Incite network. Nicola teaches at the Cambridge Institute for Sustainability Leadership and the University of Cape Town Graduate School of Business.  You can find Nicola here.  She writes on Substack and is the author of Diviner Mind: How Organisations Can Learn from the Indigenous Science of Uncertainty. The Next Right Step is inspired by Dave Snowden The 5Cs Podcast connects forward-thinking executives who are building sustainable competitive advantages while driving positive impact. Think of it as an exclusive network of leaders who understand that stewardship isn't just good ethics - it's good business. Becausing addressing business stewardship climate risk and leadership together is in the highest good for all. Connect with Charlene Norman on LinkedIn, find her at her website, subscribe to our Substack for strategic insights, or download the full series on Spotify and Apple.

    The Next Right Step

  4. Sep 19

    The River. Not the Bridge

    Last episode, Nicola Robins spoke about how a health crisis sent her into four months of training in Ngoma, a South African knowledge system. This episode picks up where that left off: what happened when she tried to bring it home. It took her years. Not because the knowledge wasn't useful, but because divination, the method she found most relevant to business, doesn't come with an obvious way to walk into a boardroom. Bones and shells on a conference table don't translate. It took a detour through complexity science, and a mentor named Dave Snowden, before she found a way to bring the substance of the work without the ceremony. Along the way she says something a lot of well-meaning sustainability people won't say out loud. The popular version of indigenous knowledge, the circular, harmonious, everyone-loves-everyone version, is a romanticized fiction. And when Charlene calls her a bridge between the old way of knowing and the new, Nicola pushes back hard. A bridge implies safe passage. What she's offering isn't safe. It's a river, and you're going to get wet. Nicola Robins offers a radically human approach to sustainability transition in an era of uncertainty and AI. Her work sits at the intersection of sustainability, complexity science, and the indigenous Ngoma tradition, drawing on more than three decades of organisational practice across the continent. She co-founded the Cape Town–based consultancy Incite in 2005 and now works as an independent consultant while remaining part of the Incite network. Nicola teaches at the Cambridge Institute for Sustainability Leadership and the University of Cape Town Graduate School of Business.  You can find Nicola here. She writes on Substack and is the author of Diviner Mind: How Organisations Can Learn from the Indigenous Science of Uncertainty. The 5Cs Podcast connects forward-thinking executives who are building sustainable competitive advantages while driving positive impact. Think of it as an exclusive network of leaders who understand that stewardship isn't just good ethics - it's good business. Becausing addressing business stewardship climate risk and leadership together is in the highest good for all. Connect with Charlene Norman on LinkedIn, find her at her website, subscribe to our Substack for strategic insights, or download the full series on Spotify and Apple.

    The River. Not the Bridge

  5. Sep 12

    This Mine is Sacred

    This is the first episode of When the Land Talks Back.   Nicola Robins was auditing a diamond mine in northwestern Australia when she heard a voice that had no business being there. It told her the land was sacred, and that nothing could justify what was being done to it. She is a Yale-trained scientist. She decided it hadn't happened, and carried on with the job.   Her body did not carry on so easily. In this episode, Nicola tells the story of the health crisis that followed, and how healing from it meant four months of training in Ngoma, a South African knowledge system with roots going back four thousand years, built for making decisions under uncertainty long before anyone called it sustainability. She talks about colonial entanglement, about sickness as a signal that something bigger than one person has come out of balance, and about the name she is known by in that world. It is not Nicola.   Nicola Robins offers a radically human approach to sustainability transition in an era of uncertainty and AI. Her work sits at the intersection of sustainability, complexity science, and the indigenous Ngoma tradition, drawing on more than three decades of organisational practice across the continent. She co-founded the Cape Town–based consultancy Incite in 2005 and now works as an independent consultant while remaining part of the Incite network. Nicola teaches at the Cambridge Institute for Sustainability Leadership and the University of Cape Town Graduate School of Business.  You can find Nicola here. She writes on Substack and is the author of Diviner Mind: How Organisations Can Learn from the Indigenous Science of Uncertainty. The 5Cs Podcast connects forward-thinking executives who are building sustainable competitive advantages while driving positive impact. Think of it as an exclusive network of leaders who understand that stewardship isn't just good ethics - it's good business. Becausing addressing business stewardship climate risk and leadership together is in the highest good for all. Connect with Charlene Norman on LinkedIn, find her at her website, subscribe to our Substack for strategic insights, or download the full series on Spotify and Apple.

    This Mine is Sacred

  6. Sep 5

    The Hill I'll Die On

    Season Five of the 5Cs Podcast opens with the story behind the line you've heard at the end of every episode for four years: the only thing we can do is do better, for the highest good, for all. This season the 5Cs get a new order and a sharper edge: Clarity, Courage, Commitment, Compassion, Collective. The guests ahead will bring ideas without a track record yet, many rooted in indigenous and ancestral ways of understanding our relationship to each other and the planet.  Charlene explains why she's done being polite about a model that isn't working.  None of us gets out of this alone. And frankly, we've all got to do better. For the highest good. For all. The 5Cs Podcast connects forward-thinking executives who are building sustainable competitive advantages while driving positive impact. Think of it as an exclusive network of leaders who understand that stewardship isn't just good ethics - it's good business. Becausing addressing business stewardship climate risk and leadership together is in the highest good for all. Connect with Charlene Norman on LinkedIn, find her at her website, subscribe to our Substack for strategic insights, or download the full series on Spotify and Apple.

    The Hill I'll Die On

  7. Aug 15

    See You September 5th

    Season four closed with a three-part series that asked more of us than most of what came before.  Before diving into what's next, we're taking a short, deliberate pause. Three weeks, no new episodes, back on September 5th with a brand new season five, a fresh focus, and guests you haven't heard talk about business, climate, or leadership before. In the meantime, revisit the back catalogue. Nearly 200 episodes are there, and most of them still hold up.  See you in three weeks, refreshed and ready to keep going. The 5Cs Podcast connects forward-thinking executives who are building sustainable competitive advantages while driving positive impact. Think of it as an exclusive network of leaders who understand that stewardship isn't just good ethics - it's good business. Becausing addressing business stewardship climate risk and leadership together is in the highest good for all. Connect with Charlene Norman on LinkedIn, find her at her website, subscribe to our Substack for strategic insights, or download the full series on Spotify and Apple.

    See You September 5th

  8. Aug 8

    What We Build Now

    We Found Each Other. What We Build Now The season four finale. Charlene names what four years of this work has actually taught her, and retires the framing the show started with. Compassionate capitalism served its purpose. It no longer fits what this work has become. The 5Cs remain, but the words change. She explains the reasoning behind each one, names where she has fallen short of what the show has asked of others, and commits publicly to what comes next. This episode closes with an ask: find one person this week, and tell them something true you've been keeping quiet. That's how the distributed knowing stops being distributed in silence. Final episode in a three-part close to season four. The 5Cs Podcast connects forward-thinking executives who are building sustainable competitive advantages while driving positive impact. Think of it as an exclusive network of leaders who understand that stewardship isn't just good ethics - it's good business. Becausing addressing business stewardship climate risk and leadership together is in the highest good for all. Connect with Charlene Norman on LinkedIn, find her at her website, subscribe to our Substack for strategic insights, or download the full series on Spotify and Apple.

    What We Build Now
See All (202)

About

A podcast on business, climate risk, and leadership, exploring what happens when companies choose stewardship over the old systems. Imagine the profit. Imagine the impact. Imagine if every business led this way.

Information