Keywords: special education, disability rights, IDEA, Section 504, advocacy, school discipline, legal protections, manifestation determination reviews, educational law, parent rights Summary This conversation delves into the complexities of special education advocacy, focusing on the legal frameworks that protect students with disabilities, the differences between IDEA and Section 504, and the importance of proper disciplinary procedures. The discussion highlights the challenges faced by students with disabilities in school settings, the role of parents in advocating for their rights, and the impact of significant court cases on educational policies. Additionally, the conversation addresses the future of special education protections amidst potential changes in federal oversight. Takeaways Students with disabilities face disproportionately high rates of discipline. IDEA ensures a free and appropriate public education for students with disabilities. Section 504 provides protections against discrimination for all students with disabilities. Legal action should be a last resort; creative solutions are preferred. MDRs are required for disciplinary actions exceeding 10 days. Parents must be involved in the MDR process and ask critical questions. Schools must follow procedural safeguards before disciplining students with disabilities. Goss vs. Lopez established due process rights for all students. Honig vs. Doe reinforced the need for proper evaluations before disciplinary actions. The future of special education protections may be uncertain with potential changes to the Department of Education. www.kaltmanlaw.com Transcript: The transcript is autogenerated and may contain transcription errors. Tim Markley (00:21) Welcome to the Legally Blind Justice podcast. I'm your host, Tim Marfleet. And in this episode, we're going to discuss special education discipline and due process issues. with Taylor Ruiz, who heads up the special education team at K. Altman Law, and Keith Altman, who is the founder of K. Altman Law. Tim Markley (00:40) Today we'll be covering legal considerations, best practices, as well as practical advice for schools, parents, advocates, and anyone in the special education realm. Let's get started. The agenda for today, we're going to discuss why this matters. For example, why are these laws important in the special education space? Why is it important to advocate for students with disabilities in terms of discipline and why do we discipline students with disabilities differently than their neurotypical peers. Then we're going to get into the legal framework of IDEA and Section 504. After that, we'll discuss MDRs, which are called Manifestation Determination Reviews. Then we will get into procedural safeguards and parents' rights. And then just some feedback and commentary on some special case laws that shape discipline for students with disabilities. And then lastly, we'll discuss how K-Outman can help. So getting into why this matters. It's truly important to understand the relationship between disability and discipline in schools. But why does it actually matter? Students with disabilities, they face a disproportionately high rate of school discipline when compared to their non-disabled peers. Schools have to balance discipline with the federal protections under the IDEA and Section 504 guidelines. Certain missteps in disciplining students with disabilities could lead to lawsuits, due process hearings, and violations of student rights. Now, Keith, let's start with a big question. Are you ready? Sure, let's go. Okay. Why are students with disabilities more likely to face disciplinary actions in schools? Well, as a general proposition, many of the common disabilities that students face, and for example, ADHD is incredibly common, is their way of processing the world around them, or autism is an even bigger problem. Their way of processing the world around them is different than other students. They tend to not understand social cues. They tend to be impulsive. In nature, they tend not to appreciate the consequences of their actions in the same way that other students that other students may do that. In addition, some of them are less are developmentally challenged and are less sophisticated than the other children around them. They are easily manipulated, shall we say, and can be prompted to engage in behavior and conduct that is not appropriate. And so it is generally true that these students, they've got a tough enough time getting through the day and then you throw trying to conduct themselves on top of that makes for a very, very difficult time. Absolutely. I agree. And you know what, in a lot of research that I've done, the data shows a trend that these students typically struggle with behavioral expectations due to their disabilities. In the vast majority of cases that I've seen and that I've been involved in, a lot of times schools don't have access to the proper interventions that these students need in place. So in my mind, that can lead to more unfair disciplinary actions. So it's not just about student behavior, but also about how the schools respond to the behavior. So let's talk about the legal protections that should be in place to prevent these issues, which leads me into IDEA, which is the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. This act protects students with IEPs, which are also known as individualized education plans, to ensure a free and appropriate public education or FAPE to ensure that that happens. Okay, Section 504 prohibits discrimination, and it applies to students with disabilities, even if they don't have an IEP in place. You know, a student who as a temporary disability, maybe something like a broken leg could get a 504 plan. That was something new and interesting that I'd Procedural safeguards, school districts and IEP teams or 504 teams always provide parents with the procedural safeguards at the meeting. And then you, a lot of times will sign for those procedural safeguards. One thing that I've noticed is that a lot of times they're not gone over in depth. And unless you have a law degree or a special ed degree, it's kind of hard to navigate that, right? But those procedural safeguards are in place and schools must follow them before disciplining students with disabilities. In addition to that, you can always look at the school districts discipline matrices on their website. You can also look at their policy for disciplining students with disabilities. Those will help you navigate the process. In terms of procedural safeguards, those safeguards are put in place to outline what the process should be. But the details are kind of decided by the specific school district. They just must meet IDEA or Section 504 standards at the minimum. So I do have a question for you, Keith. Just about IDEA and Section 504, I've been in education for quite some time and you've been in the legal field also in education, but everybody sees it a little bit differently. In your mind, what do you think the difference is between IDEA and Section 504? Well, I think the key difference really relates to the school's responsibility with respect to the student. Under IDEA, one of the key aspects is that the school must be on the lookout for children who are having difficulties and who may be at risk of not getting a FAPE education. And 504 is a little bit different. It's meant to be more students who need just some assistance with the peripheries of trying to get their education. As you said, a student who breaks a leg who needs some assistance or a student that is in a wheelchair, it doesn't really affect their education per se, but they need to be able to get around to their classes. They need some additional time. In terms of, you know, I look at it kind of simplified with an IEP and IDEA, the school has a lot of burden that it must follow in terms of being able to ensure that students receive the education. a 504, the burden's more on the parents to ask for things that they need. Now, clearly, and I'm sure that you'll go over them, clearly there are very specific differences between the two. And I know that you're putting up the grid, at least I think you are, because as some of you may or may not know, I am...essentially blind. lost my vision a few years ago, so I can feel for what many of these students are going through and unfortunately I can't read that screen. But why don't you take them through the essential differences because I think that there are finer points to it. But I will say in the end, this is about kids. It's not about adults. It's not about laws. It's about we have a kid here who needs some help. How do we get them the help that they need? And how do we help protect their day to day involvement in an educational institution? That's really what it's at. I try to focus on that at all times and not get so wrapped up in the words. Absolutely, and just to kind of reiterate your your point here, IDA applies specifically to students with an IEP, right? That's correct. then you've got Section 504 is kind of like more broad and it was designed to prevent discrimination based on disability, even for those students without an IEP. So I think the way you explained it was really great because I even got a little bit more insight on Section 504 as it relates to IDEA. So to me, that means that schools have to be mindful of both laws IDEA and 504 when handling discipline. You know, what happens when they don't follow these proper procedures? Like what is what is a school's responsibility? You know, is that when the parents take legal action or what would the next step be at that point, Keith? Well, legal action in my mind is the absolute last stage. I say to people all the time, you want to be a graduate or a litigant. The goal is to try to find creative, productive solutions to problems. And I know that many parents may be frustrated that they don't see