The Deconstructed Woman

Elisa Marie and Jojy

This is a podcast about breaking down what it means to be a woman, having the hard discussions from an inter generational perspective, and exploring the inner working’s of a woman’s life today!

  1. Mental Load

    May 24

    Mental Load

    Sharing the Mental Load at Home Two moms unpack why women carry the invisible weight of running a household — and how to finally share it. In this episode of The Deconstructed Woman, hosts Elisa Marie and Jojy dive deep into the concept of the mental load — the invisible, never-ending stream of planning, organizing, and anticipating that disproportionately falls on women. Inspired by the podcast "We Are More Than Moms" and their guest Sarah Connor, they unpack why this imbalance exists and how early socialization shapes the way men and women approach household responsibilities. Drawing from their own marriages and parenting experiences, Elisa and Jojy get honest about the frustration of delegating tasks, the temptation to "just do it yourself," and the courage it takes to let go of control. They explore practical strategies — from dividing visible chores to handing over entire task ownership — and discuss the book and card deck "Fair Play" as a conversation-starting tool for couples. The conversation closes with an important reminder: this isn't about blame. It's about building a true partnership, raising capable kids, and protecting your own well-being before burnout takes hold. ## Key Takeaways - The mental load is not just a to-do list — it's the invisible cognitive work of anticipating, planning, and coordinating every aspect of family life. - Men's and women's tasks are socialized differently from childhood: boys tend to get single-outcome tasks, while girls learn multi-layered, interconnected responsibilities. - Villainizing your partner is counterproductive; the imbalance stems from socialization, not malice. - Maternity leave often becomes the unspoken "inception point" where the woman permanently absorbs all household management — even after returning to work. - Delegating means handing over a task from A to Z and resisting the urge to take it back when it's not done your way. - The book and card deck "Fair Play" (a Reese Witherspoon Book Club pick) offers a structured way for couples to visualize and redistribute tasks. - Unaddressed mental load leads to burnout, resentment, anxiety, and relationship breakdown — sharing it is an investment in the partnership and in raising independent children. ## Topics & Timestamps - 00:00 — Introduction and why this episode was inspired by the "We Are More Than Moms" podcast - 01:06 — First impressions: feeling "seen and heard" by the mental load conversation - 03:19 — How childhood socialization creates different task mindsets for men and women - 05:34 — Why women's tasks are interconnected while men's tend to be singular - 06:56 — "Men are not the villains" — reframing the conversation away from blame - 08:32 — Practical strategies: dividing visible chores and handing over task ownership - 12:36 — The doctor's appointment example: why delegation still carries mental load - 15:17 — The inception of the pattern: how maternity leave sets the dynamic - 18:20 — Learning to delegate and communicate expectations with your partner - 21:35 — The Fair Play book and card deck as a tool for couples - 25:17 — What happens when you don't share the load: burnout, fatigue, and resentment - 28:47 — Wrapping up: the payoff of partnership, raising independent kids, and hope ## Mentioned in This Episode - **Podcast**: "We Are More Than Moms" — episode on mental load - **Person**: Sarah Connor — mental load expert interviewed on that podcast - **Book / Card Deck**: *Fair Play* — a Reese Witherspoon Book Club pick; a couples conversation deck for rebalancing household responsibilities - **Concept**: Mental load — the invisible cognitive labor of managing a household - **Concept**: Socialization of gendered task expectations from childhood - **Framework**: Norming, forming, storming (group development stages) — referenced as an analogy for couples renegotiating roles ## Hosts - **Elisa Marie** — Co-host, The Deconstructed Woman - **Jojy** — Co-host, The Deconstructed Woman

    34 min
  2. Michele Heffron - Life Strategist

    Mar 14

    Michele Heffron - Life Strategist

    Michele Heffron - Life Strategist Life Strategist for Women in Transition Voices of Women 2026 Jojy welcomes life strategist and coach Michele Heffron to discuss major transitions women face and the support needed to move through them with confidence. Heffron shares how her second divorce after years as a stay-at-home mom left her without a job, bank account, or stability, leading her to rebuild her life through nonprofit work focused on healthy vs. unhealthy love, domestic violence, and at-risk youth. After making costly divorce mistakes, she hired a coach, which inspired her to become ICF-certified in transformational coaching, divorce coaching, love coaching, and “Calling in the One.” She explains coaching as unraveling limiting beliefs, listening to one’s own voice, differentiating heart from head, and processing feelings to reduce fear, anger, shame, and blame, using her VIVID framework. They discuss transitions like career change, retirement, grief, and empty nest, examples of women starting new ventures later in life, choosing supportive advisors, her podcast and newsletter, and her upcoming Voices of Women Summit talk on reframing hard moments into growth assignments. 00:00 Podcast Welcome 00:31 Meet Michele Heffron 01:52 Her Divorce Turning Point 04:38 Finding Coaching Purpose 08:31 How Coaching Helps 10:53 Listening to the Heart 13:15 Feelings vs Emotions 17:30 Other Life Transitions 18:50 Client Success Story 23:27 Retreat Lessons on Dreams 26:52 Building Your Support Circle 28:48 Podcast and Newsletter Creativity 33:32 Voices of Women Summit 38:07 How to Find Michelle

    42 min
  3. Trauma Bonding

    Mar 1

    Trauma Bonding

    Trauma Bonding: When Intensity Gets Mistaken for Love Hosts Elisa Marie and Jojy of the Deconstructed Woman Podcast discuss the concept of “trauma bonding,” prompted by a New York Times Modern Love article about a relationship that ended in divorce after childhood traumas and unhealthy patterns played out in marriage. They define trauma bonding as an intense, addictive, dysfunctional attachment fueled by cycles of abuse, manipulation, and intermittent positive reinforcement, and discuss how shared trauma or attachment issues can be mistaken for passion and create dependency that makes leaving difficult. Alyssa contrasts trauma bonding with unconscious attraction to familiar traits (such as similarities to a parent), noting trauma bonding is often driven by intense emotional circumstances rather than foundational compatibility. The conversation expands to common relationship dynamics like trying to “fix” a partner, communication breakdowns, and how attraction can shift over time, emphasizing the importance of self-care, mental health, and therapy rather than expecting a relationship to resolve personal struggles. They also discuss a real-life example involving a long-term couple taking a unilateral “break” due to perceived dependency, exploring how such situations can be either genuine self-work or an excuse to leave, and how difficult uncertainty can be for the other partner. The episode closes by framing the topic as a starting point for listener reflection and inviting audience feedback and suggestions. 00:00 Welcome to the Podcast 00:27 What Is Trauma Bonding 01:28 Pop Culture Example 02:22 Definition and Cycles 03:49 Trauma Bonding vs Familiarity 06:59 Modern Love Case Study 08:59 Marriage Patterns and Communication 14:22 Healthy Conflict and Growth 17:32 Self Care Before Relationships 19:40 Real Life Breakup Scenario 23:05 How to Handle a Break 27:23 Wrap Up and Listener Invitation 29:19 Outro and Contact Info

    30 min
4.8
out of 5
5 Ratings

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This is a podcast about breaking down what it means to be a woman, having the hard discussions from an inter generational perspective, and exploring the inner working’s of a woman’s life today!