IM Landscape Growth Podcast

Intrigue Media

A landscape growth podcast where entrepreneurs help entrepreneurs grow faster, better, and stronger in leadership, sales, recruiting, and operational excellence.

  1. May 26

    Jeffrey Scott: What Winning Landscape Companies Are Doing Differently Right Now

    [00:00] — Welcome Back & Jeffrey Scott's Legacy in the Industry Rob introduces Jeffrey as a return guest, recognizing his decades in the green industry, his coaching practice, and the impact of his peer groups on raising professionalism industry-wide. [01:05] — Customer Obsession + The Power of Pivoting Jeffrey opens with a foundational principle: wake up every day asking how you can help your clients more, better, differently. He ties it to Warren Buffett's line - "I've never seen a customer-obsessed business go out of business"  - and reminds listeners that Apple didn't get to the iPhone on its first or fourth try. [02:44] — The #1 Growth Constraint: The Owner Gets in the Way Rob shares the pattern he's discovered from 18+ months of interviewing top landscaping entrepreneurs: almost universally, the owner identifies themselves as the primary bottleneck. The grind that got you to $2M won't get you to $10M. Trust, delegation, and system-building are what takes you there. [05:32] — Winslow Personality Profile Data: Trust Scores Lowest for Entrepreneurs Jeffrey drops real data from The Winslow personality profile - a 24-trait assessment used across his coaching practice. Among all 24 metrics, trust scores the lowest for entrepreneurs. The reason: bad hires, poor onboarding, early baggage. Not laziness — lived experience that calcified into a habit. [06:27] — The 3 Reasons Landscape Owners Hire Jeffrey Scott They're overworked and underpaid - and in the way at the same time. They've hit a growth ceiling they can't break through on their own. They're planning for exit and need to make the business run without them. [08:32] — State of the Market: May 2026 Survey Data Jeffrey shares fresh survey results from his client base: 35% are ahead of last year, 22% are way ahead, only 24% are behind. Despite economic noise, weather delays, and media distraction, the green industry is quietly performing well. Those in snow-heavy areas are dealing with a compressed, frantic late start - but lead flow is still strong. [11:12] — Why Deals Haven't Closed Yet (Weather + Sales Behavior) Late frosts and snow delays have slowed project starts in northern markets. But both Rob and Jeffrey agree: even where leads are flowing, most operators aren't converting them efficiently. The problem isn't demand -  it's the sales process. [13:10] — The 10-Touch Follow-Up Rule (Backed by SPIN Selling Research) Jeffrey references SPIN Selling - the original data-driven sales bible - which found that successful salespeople follow up at least 10 times. Most landscape operators follow up once, maybe twice. This gap is costing companies significant revenue during the highest-demand window of the year. [14:24] — Owner as Salesperson vs. Selling Sales Manager Jeffrey breaks down three types of owner-salesperson dynamics: The solo-selling owner The accidental sales manager (still selling but now responsible for others' results too) The business that finally has a dedicated sales manager Most operators are stuck in stage two without realizing it - and nobody's training the team. [16:18] — The Calendar Epidemic: Less Than 10% Use Appointment Invites for Sales Rob reveals a staggering stat from an audience poll: fewer than 1 in 10 landscapers send calendar invites to prospects when scheduling site visits or follow-ups. The fix requires zero mindset shift — just a behavior change. Use your calendar. Send the invite. Capture the commitment. [18:00] — BAMFAM: Book A Meeting From A Meeting The simplest sales discipline in the room: never leave a conversation without scheduling the next one. Jeffrey and Rob agree — this alone would close more deals for most operators. [18:36] — Price Is Not the Problem, It's Your Most Powerful Sales Tool One of the sharpest moments in the episode. Jeffrey's take: "Selling doesn't begin until a price is mentioned. Everything before that is consulting." Most salespeople avoid or delay the price conversation out of fear. That's backwards. Present price early enough to actually work through objections. [19:22] — You Cannot Sell on Email Selling requires real-time human interaction - reading body language, hearing hesitation, handling objections in the moment. Sending a proposal via email and waiting is not selling. It's hoping. [20:36] — Ambiverts Make the Best Salespeople (Daniel Pink) Jeffrey and Rob reference To Sell Is Human by Daniel Pink. Key insight: the best salespeople aren't extroverts (they don't stop talking) or introverts (too passive) - they're ambiverts. They know when to talk and when to shut up. [21:17] — The Value Chain of Winning Landscape Companies The companies that are winning right now figured out three things in order: Marketing — consistent lead generation with professional help Sales — a real process, not vibes Staffing — great reputation, strong culture, and active networking to attract talent [23:22] — Nice Guys Finish First (With Backbone) Jeffrey's take on culture and recruiting: operators with strong reputations, genuine care for their teams, and clear values are winning the staffing game. Nice guys who also hold people accountable don't finish last - they finish first. [24:28] — The Owner's Real Job: Sell the Company, Not the Service Jeffrey recalls watching Jack Welch personally visit GE's top clients - not to pitch appliances, but to sell the idea of GE. Owners should be the chief evangelist of their company. That means networking, business development, and visibility - not just quoting jobs. [26:22] — Networking as the Underused Growth Lever For operators under $500K especially, local chambers of commerce, hospital fundraisers, and entrepreneur organizations (EO) are free or low-cost business development goldmines that most aren't using. Your network is your net worth - cliché because it's correct. [26:54] — Jeffrey Scott Grow Summit 2026: Detroit, August 18–20 Jeffrey walks through the format of his annual Summer Growth Summit - now in its 8th year. This year's event features: Facility tours of two host companies: Ivan Katz's Great Lakes Landscape Design (~$10M) and Troy Klogg Landscape Associates (~$20–25M) Sessions on lean production, AI, and business development A pre-event day with owner presentations on branding, marketing, and growth stories Speaker Kurt Labute sharing a humbling and remarkable growth story Seating by title (owners with owners, PMs with PMs) to maximize peer learning [32:00] — The Biggest Blind Spot Right Now: Giving Up Too Easily Jeffrey's most common observation among struggling companies: they fold at the first sign of internal turbulence. A key executive giving notice in May? That might be a gift. When you reframe problems as opportunities - and most of them are - you spring forward instead of stall. [34:21] — Nick's Story: Cell Phone on the Truck to 8-Figure Business Jeffrey shares the evolution of a Minnesota client he's coached for four years. Nick started with his personal cell phone number on his truck - fielding every lead himself. After coaching, he was convinced to hand off the number and get a new one. He's now running an 8-figure landscape business. The lesson: make the moves. [35:28] — 80% of You Need to Make More Moves Jeffrey's direct advice: stop pondering, stop waiting for the perfect moment. 80% of operators listening need to move faster. (The other 20% might need to slow down and think - but that's not most of you.) [36:36] — Long-Term Thinkers Win. Short-Term Reactors Spin. Rob observes the difference between winners and everyone else: winners think in 3–5 year arcs. They're making decisions toward a known destination. Operators thinking in months and quarters change direction constantly and never compound their learning. [37:38] — Budget as a Floor, Not a Ceiling Jeffrey's mantra: build the budget, then be willing to break it. If a great hire shows up six months early, make the move. If you're paralyzed by the spreadsheet, you're not acting like an entrepreneur. The question isn't "is it in the budget?" - it's "how much more do we need to sell to justify this?" [40:46] — The Internal Compass: "Is It in the Client's Best Interest?" Jeffrey closes with the guiding question his team uses when evaluating every new idea or product: Is it actually in the client's best interest? He describes a recent all-hands meeting where this question killed a product launch - and why that's a feature, not a bug. [41:31] — Wrap-Up & How to Reach Jeffrey Scott Contact: jeff@jeffreyscott.biz | Website: jeffreyscott.biz (events section for the Grow Summit)

    40 min
  2. May 12

    Joe Salemi | The Real Reason Landscaping Companies Struggle to Scale

    00:00 — Introduction to Joe Salemi Joe shares his 23+ year journey in the landscape industry Experience with CNLA, Dynascape, private equity acquisition, and Landscape Ontario Discussion around industry-wide perspective and patterns across businesses 03:06 — What’s Holding Landscape Companies Back Rising cost of living squeezing business owners and employees Small and mid-market companies competing on lowest price “Race to the bottom” pricing mentality hurting the industry Homeowners becoming conditioned to choose the cheapest quote 05:05 — The Pandemic Boom and Its Fallout Many contractors started businesses during the COVID boom Easy demand masked weak sales systems and business fundamentals Companies overbought trucks and equipment during peak demand Some businesses folded once demand slowed down 06:06 — Why Sales Follow-Up Is Still Broken Contractors failing to respond to inquiries quickly Joe shares firsthand experiences getting “crickets” from contact forms Fast response is often the difference-maker in winning jobs Automated booking and follow-up systems are a massive opportunity 10:29 — Landscape Ontario’s Sales & Business Training Landscape Ontario runs 160+ seminars annually Topics include sales, marketing, operations, and business systems Training available for both startups and established companies Key message: stop waiting and start improving systems now 13:27 — Why Cheap Pricing Is Dangerous Underpricing trains customers to shop only on price Many contractors don’t fully understand their break-even numbers Shift from “cheap” to “quality” positioning is essential Ontario homeowners are willing to pay more for quality work 16:07 — Communication as a Competitive Advantage Great communication builds trust before the quote stage Simple updates and managing expectations set companies apart Poor communication destroys deals before work even begins Customer experience is a massive differentiator 18:07 — Landscape Ontario’s Massive Training Expansion Landscape Ontario investing heavily in industry-wide training Building a large-scale training facility in Milton Goal: train up to 5,000 people annually Spring training-style programs planned for landscape crews 25:35 — Investing in People Builds Culture Training employees strengthens loyalty and company culture Joe explains why development is one of the strongest retention tools Businesses should view themselves as training organizations first 28:05 — The Biggest Opportunity in Landscaping: Stormwater Management Rain gardens and nature-based solutions becoming huge opportunities Municipal incentives and property tax programs emerging Sustainable landscaping creating meaningful, future-focused work 31:13 — Advocacy Work Most Contractors Never See Landscape Ontario influencing municipal policies and bylaws Examples include stormwater initiatives and two-stroke engine regulations Collaboration with government helps create practical solutions 35:54 — Industry Collaboration Across North America Great Lakes associations sharing challenges and best practices Landscape Ontario learning from peer associations across the region Focus on continuous improvement and shared innovation 37:41 — New Landscape Ontario Website & Resources New website launched with contractor search functionality Over 250,000 unique visitors in just a few months Lead generation and education opportunities for members 38:52 — Final Thoughts & Future Plans Joe encourages listeners to connect through LinkedIn or the website Discussion about future podcast studio plans at the new facility Closing thoughts on growth and industry development

    40 min
  3. May 1

    John Dalton: Why Most Landscaping Brands Stay Invisible

    00:00 – Intro & Guest Background John Dalton shares his 30-year marketing journey and transition into landscaping. 02:00 – Why Marketing Fails for Most Landscapers Marketing is treated as disconnected tactics (social, ads, etc.) instead of a system. 03:30 – The Role of a Fractional CMO Strategy aligns all marketing efforts to attract the right customers, not just more. 04:30 – The Power of Niching Down Specialization improves delivery, efficiency, and profitability. 06:00 – Why “We’re the Best” Doesn’t Work Generic messaging makes you invisible in the market. 07:30 – Case Study: Absolute Landscapes Differentiated through customer experience (“Experience More” framework). 09:30 – The Real Bottleneck: The Owner Growth stalls when leaders can’t let go or evolve. 11:30 – The $1M–$3M Trap You must delegate and trust to break through. 12:15 – Trust + Patience in Marketing Results take 6–8 months (or longer for real impact). 14:00 – Marketing = Long-Term Investment Same as equipment, you don’t expect instant ROI. 16:30 – Clarity & Consistency Win Changing your brand too often creates confusion. 18:00 – Brand = Owning Mental Real Estate Consistency makes you memorable (FedEx, UPS examples). 20:30 – How to Prepare for Better Marketing Define your ICP deeply (motivations, fears, desires). 22:00 – Know Your Competition You can’t differentiate if you don’t understand the landscape. 23:00 – Case Study: Niche Strategy (Sun Valley) “Everything or nothing” service model drives scale. 25:30 – ABC Clients Framework A clients fuel growth; C clients drain resources. 26:00 – Case Study: MSC (Seed & Sod Only) Hyper-niching led to a $10M+ profitable business. 29:00 – Recommended Book: The Alchemist Finding purpose and direction as an entrepreneur.

    31 min
  4. Apr 15

    Steve Reynolds (River Valley): Why Most Contractors Stay Stuck at $1–2M

    00:02 – Intro + Background Steve’s 28-year journey in the green industry Started with zero experience, learned by doing 02:18 – Early Business Failures First companies were “hobby businesses” No marketing, no systems, no scalability Guerrilla marketing tactics (literally stuffing mailboxes at 3am) 03:41 – Turning Point Injury + becoming a father forced change Left industry → learned value-based sales + systems Realized landscaping lacked structured business practices 05:55 – #1 Growth Constraint: Knowledge Most owners lack business knowledge, not work ethic Entrepreneurship requires resilience + tolerance for pain 07:09 – Restaurant Experience = Business Advantage Customer service + communication are differentiators Ability to read people and adapt behavior is critical 10:55 – “Get Comfortable Being Uncomfortable” Tough conversations (clients + employees) drive growth Saying “no” protects quality and reputation 12:55 – The Balancing Act of Ownership Constant tension: staff, clients, quality, profitability Must avoid sacrificing standards under pressure 15:03 – Prioritization Framework Operates in “triage mode” Focus on highest-impact task in the moment 17:20 – “Love the One You’re With” Rule Be fully present wherever you are Multitasking = diluted performance 18:18 – Current Focus: Developing People Growth = better team, not more hustle Sometimes must let good people go for great ones 20:44 – Identity Shift: Operator → Owner Biggest mistake: thinking skill = business success Owning a business is a different job entirely 22:50 – Time = Most Valuable Asset Can’t get it back, never have enough Must structure and protect it intentionally 28:20 – Tactical Time Management Uses lists + quick wins to build momentum Prepares self first, then the company 31:08 – Books That Changed Everything Sales EQ → understanding “why” (customers, team, family) Grit → resilience and persistence 34:00 – No Competitors, Only Peers Collaboration over competition Learning from others accelerates growth 37:08 – Industry Growth Mindset Giving back and helping others = long-term success

    35 min
  5. Apr 9

    Steve Wheatcroft: The Truth About Scaling (No One Talks About)

    00:01 – Intro + Background Steve’s 35+ years in the landscape industry Built and exited multiple businesses, scaled to $104M 01:36 – The Origin Story Started in 1989 with a vision to professionalize landscaping Grew to $31M before private equity acquisition 03:00 – Scaling Through M&A Returned as CEO, acquired 5 companies Scaled to $104M in 5 years 06:55 – The Core Growth Constraints Complexity increases as you scale Need for competent people and culture Access to capital becomes critical 12:09 – The Real Driver of Success Ability to connect, communicate, and resonate with people Leadership is about creating environments people want to be part of 19:22 – Breakthrough Moment (The “Messy Middle”) Stuck at ~$5-6M Shift from “doer” to delegator Mantra: Delegation builds a nation 23:06 – Stop Motivating, Start Inspiring Moving from forceful leadership to inspirational leadership Unlocking people vs pushing them 26:44 – Talent Myth Debunked Growth doesn’t require hiring unicorns Best people often come from within 32:33 – The Power of “Elephant Hunting” Landed a $36M contract Growth comes from imbalance and pressure 36:33 – Cash Flow Almost Killed the Business Twice entered special accounts management Growth without cash discipline is deadly 41:11 – Responsible Growth Growth must be paired with financial intelligence Learn to speak the bank’s language 46:24 – Resources + Closing Thoughts Recommended books Focus on helping others scale responsibly

    46 min
  6. Feb 24

    Brad Stephenson : Build a Business That Runs Without You

    00:31 – Intro + why Brad’s perspective matters Brad’s lived experience + coaching across many companies brings “outside-in” clarity. 01:18 – Apprentice to CEO (the 20-year climb) Started at ~$600K revenue / ~8 employees, grew into leadership and ownership opportunities. 02:15 – Ownership timeline: minority in 2014, partner retired in 2018 Treated the company like he owned it before he did—took on what others avoided. 03:07 – Coaching + Leanscaper mission Advises on people/ops; focuses on helping companies get through the $3–5M hump. Uses DISC + Working Genius to place people in the right seats. 06:14 – Primary growth constraint: benchmarking (and why it ticks him off) Social media “highlight reels” + inconsistent definitions of profit create false comparisons and self-limiting beliefs. 09:17 – The metric he trusts: revenue per person Gross/net can be “smoke” depending on what’s above/below the line; revenue per employee gives a clearer gauge. 10:54 – Revenue per employee ranges discussed ~$150K/person is a “sweet spot.” Higher can be exceptional depending on context. 12:32 – Growth through people, process, budgets (real ops fundamentals) Tripled revenue post-2016/2017 by focusing on the boring stuff that works. 13:02 – Company today: ~$12M, multiple divisions Maintenance, construction/design-build, mowing, turf, PHC, trees, snow. 14:36 – Crisis story: missing H-2B labor in 2018 Lost expected labor right before season; hired heavily; learned through a brutal year—weekly leadership meetings helped them survive. 15:53 – Design-build only vs. maintenance Design-build looks cooler online; maintenance is stability. Pure design-build can work in the right high-end network—otherwise you need renewable revenue. 19:34 – The “two-week activity inventory” exercise Track everything you do; circle what drains you; outsource/hire it out. 21:27 – The “guilty delegation” problem Owners give away what they love and hoard what they hate. But someone out there loves what you hate. 24:48 – Leadership leveling: mentor/coach + humility You don’t “arrive” at great leadership; you keep learning. Coach helps you see what you can’t. 29:03 – Books that start the shift Recommends Leadership and Self-Deception; also highlights John Maxwell. 31:42 – Core values that actually stick (CIA: Care, Improve, Attitude) Takes years; must be embedded via routines, recognition, hiring/firing/promotion, and weekly meeting habits. 36:02 – How to reach Brad LinkedIn is best; website form. Mentions Leanscaper as well. 37:01 – More resources: Jim Rohn, Simon Sinek, Maxwell Communication + connection as a leadership multiplier.

    39 min
  7. Feb 17

    Jim Shimon, Willow River Company: The People Playbook Behind $15M+ Growth

    00:31–01:20 — Intro + why Willow River Company “means more than people think”  01:20–03:34 — Origin story: family landscaping business → three brothers take over (2006)  03:34–04:45 — Diversification: why “all eggs in one basket” eventually breaks you  04:45–06:03 — Today’s scale: $16.5M sales goal, $15.3M production goal, and the 8% rule  06:03–08:43 — Biggest growth constraint: people (right roles + letting go of control)  08:43–10:14 — “We were sucking at everything”: the pain that forces delegation  10:32–13:04 — The profitability flip: switching to LMN (2015) and learning true costs (overhead, assets)  12:05–12:51 — Building an asset division: internal equipment “rentals” to price reality properly  13:30–16:04 — Hiring a six-figure sales pro: expensive… and one of their best decisions  16:20–18:40 — Sales expectations: 1-year ramp, Year 2 performance; lead flow becomes mandatory past ~$5M  18:51–20:12 — Sales structure: salespeople stay involved through project delivery (relationship continuity)  21:01–27:10 — Culture + leadership: people need visibility, appreciation, and morning presence  24:32–26:46 — Realization: stepping back hurt morale; standing in the yard fixed it  27:48–29:41 — EOS/Traction thinking: visionary vs operator; execs freed from day-to-day at scale  30:31–33:20 — Mentorship reality: local competition vs industry peers; associations unlock real sharing  33:20–34:56 — Learning sources: E-Myth; decision-making by “conference” to avoid blind spots  35:22–37:32 — 2026 plan: “plateau and stabilize” after acquisitions; improve cross-division communication  37:32–37:59 — Wrap + future episode tease (acquisitions + integration)

    38 min
  8. Feb 10

    Bob Roman (Fire by Design): How to Differentiate in a Sea of “Me Too” Contractors

    00:01 – Intro + why Bob stands out: Rob tees up Bob as a rare “actually differentiated” operator.  00:49 – What Fire by Design does: Custom fire features + components; specialty is automated fire and outdoor-ready ignition.  01:10 – Origin story + aviation background: Military F-16s, then United Airlines; post-9/11 dissatisfaction drives career shift.  02:20 – First custom fireplace: One job turns into a niche discovery in Vegas residential fire features.  03:30 – Bigger commercial work: Large-scale condo/restaurant projects; scaling craftsmanship into repeatable builds.  05:06 – The problem that sparked innovation: Restaurant sign asks for remote-controlled fire; indoor furnace parts fail outdoors (wind cycling).  06:30 – “Same parts in a box” moment: Competitors’ systems weren’t purpose-built—triggering Bob to engineer his own solution.  07:30 – The ugly R&D truth: “30 days/$5K” became 10 months/$35K; first boards smoked on power-up; hard lessons.  08:50 – Supply chain failure forces the leap: Honeywell valve sold; quality drops; widespread failures create 600 warranty replacements.  10:12 – AWIS is born (May 2010): 30 days of real-world stress testing (wind + water + waterfalls).  11:10 – Proof wins: Ships 600 replacements; complaints stop; Orlando downpour test validates performance.  12:37 – Differentiation marketing: “Torture videos” (55mph pickup truck demo) become a clear proof-based advantage.  14:50 – Why he didn’t quit: Family as the anchor; stress, long hours, but “I only have one choice: I have to prevail.”  19:22 – Biggest leadership bottleneck: Bob was the constraint; learns to delegate and train so growth can happen.  21:30 – Training the first real hire: In-earshot coaching, technical knowledge transfer, then scaling training through others.  24:00 – Going national with email + design ideas: Uses builder lists, email campaigns; list grows 1,100 → 15,000 in ~3 months.  26:35 – Revenue inflection point: Under $100K → $500K in 12 months; later hits $10M+ around year six.  28:30 – “Make yourself worthless” (in a good way): Trains daughters + team to run company; reduces dependency on founder.  34:30 – Differentiation in the field: Saturday demo tour—remote ignition in truck creates instant demand + sales tools requests.  41:02 – Where to learn more: firebydesign.com; “AutoFire 101” PDF; tech support team; project drawings help.  44:10 – Inspirations: Seven Habits of Highly Effective People; Steve Harvey “The Parachute” talk.  48:04 – Wrap: Call to action + where to find Fire by Design.

    47 min

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