The Stepping In It Podcast with Renee Schulte & Jason Haglund

Renee Schulte
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The Stepping In It Podcast is a weekly discussion of the latest news and trends in behavioral health policy development and practice. Each episode features interviews with experts from across the field, including policymakers, clinicians, researchers, and advocates. The podcast provides listeners with practical tips and resources for improving the quality and access to behavioral health care. 

  1. 6d ago

    145. Mental Health First Aid & Workplace Wellness: What Every Community Needs to Know

    In this episode, Renee and Jason record live reflections inspired by the National Council for Mental Wellbeing’s NATCON 2026 Conference, diving into the growing importance of mental health awareness trainings in workplaces and communities. From Mental Health First Aid (MHFA) to Question, Persuade, Refer (QPR), ASIST, Rural Watch, and other evidence-informed approaches, they explore how these trainings are shaping workplace culture, reducing stigma, and helping people feel more prepared to respond when someone is struggling. The conversation also highlights the rapid growth of mental health challenges across the workforce, the importance of proactive support, and how organizations can determine which type of training best fits their culture and community needs. In this episode, you will be able to: Understand the role of Mental Health First Aid and other awareness trainings in supporting mental wellness.Learn how workplace mental health initiatives are impacting culture, productivity, and employee support.Discover key statistics and research behind the effectiveness of MHFA training programs.Explore different mental health awareness trainings and how communities can choose the right fit for their needs.Gain insight into the growing demand for proactive mental health support in workplaces and rural communities. The key moments in this episode are: 00:00:09 - Introduction & NATCON 2026 Reflections 00:02:14 - Recovery from Planting Season & Rural Stressors 00:04:32 - The Evolution of Mental Health Awareness Trainings 00:07:01 - Mental Health First Aid & Evidence-Based Approaches 00:10:48 - Other Mental Health Training Models: QPR, ASIST & Rural Watch 00:14:16 - 4.5 Million Americans Trained in MHFA 00:17:03 - Research on Confidence, Stigma Reduction & Early Intervention 00:20:27 - Workplace Mental Health Statistics & Productivity 00:23:44 - Why Proactive Support Matters in Organizations 00:26:18 - Choosing the Right Training for Your Workplace or Community 00:29:40 - Final Thoughts & Closing Conversation Links: https://mentalhealthfirstaid.org/news/research-shows-mhfa-works/https://www.thenationalcouncil.org/natcon/  Connect with us:  https://ruralpolicypartners.com/  https://www.linkedin.com/linkedin.com/company/rural-policy-partners/  https://www.facebook.com/facebook.com/ruralpolicypartners https://www.youtube.com/@ruralpolicypartners Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/SESNCJHCIm0

    34 min

  2. Jun 2

    144. Breaking Resistance: Implementation Science, Leadership & Change from New Orleans

    In this episode, Renee Schulte and Jason Haglund record live from New Orleans at the Associations of Paroling Authorities International conference, diving into conversations around evidence-based parole decision-making, implementation science, and organizational change. They explore why resistance to change is so common in healthcare, behavioral health, and justice systems, and how leaders can better navigate transformation efforts without losing sight of people, purpose, and outcomes. From productivity standards to questioning outdated systems, this episode highlights the importance of curiosity, adaptability, and focusing on what truly drives progress in complex organizations. In this episode, you will be able to: Why implementation science matters when introducing change in healthcare, behavioral health, and justice systems.How resistance to change impacts organizations and why many initiatives fail.The psychological and operational reasons people resist new systems and expectations.Why leaders must challenge the status quo while remaining focused on outcomes and sustainability.How productivity standards, role clarity, and organizational focus influence long-term success. The key moments in this episode are: 00:00:09 - Introduction & Recording Live from New Orleans 00:02:18 - Whiny Farmer Intro & Conference Conversations 00:04:41 - Implementation Science with Dr. Alexandra Walker 00:07:12 - Why People Resist Change 00:10:06 - The Cognitive Load of Leaving Autopilot 00:12:34 - Organizational Resistance & Failure Rates 00:15:20 - Evidence-Based Parole Decision-Making Discussion 00:18:11 - Challenging the Status Quo in Systems 00:20:43 - Productivity Standards & Accountability Conversations 00:23:08 - The Importance of Role Clarity & Leadership Focus 00:25:31 - “What We Focus On, We Get More Of” 00:27:04 - Closing Thoughts & Takeaways Links: APAI conference: https://www.apaintl.org/conference.html Dr Alexandra Walker LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-alexandra-walker Resilient Optimism: https://www.dralexandrawalker.com/  Connect with us:  https://ruralpolicypartners.com/  https://www.linkedin.com/linkedin.com/company/rural-policy-partners/  https://www.facebook.com/facebook.com/ruralpolicypartners https://www.youtube.com/@ruralpolicypartners Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/rHj3qVF4134

    44 min

  3. May 26

    143. Community Is Not a Place: Rethinking Connection in Rural America

    In this episode, we explore a simple but often misunderstood question: What is a community? Broadcasting from rural Colorado—with a few connectivity challenges along the way—we unpack how community goes far beyond geography. It’s something built through action, relationships, and shared experiences. From the realities of isolation in frontier regions to the everyday moments that foster connection (yes, even over a good meal), we discuss how strong communities are intentionally created—and why they are essential to behavioral health, resilience, and the systems that support rural life. In this episode, you will be able to: Understand why community is not just a place, but an action rooted in relationships and collaboration.Learn how connection impacts mental health, workplaces, and public systems—especially in rural areas.Explore the real challenges frontier communities face, including workforce shortages and geographic isolation.Gain practical insights on how to build stronger, more resilient communities through everyday interactions. The key moments in this episode are: 00:00:00 - Introduction & “Whiny Farmer” Intro 00:02:00 - Recording from Meeker, CO & Setting the Scene 00:04:30 - What Is a Community, Really? 00:07:15 - Community as Action, Not Just Place 00:10:05 - The Role of Connection in Well-Being 00:13:40 - Rural Realities: Isolation & Behavioral Health Impacts 00:17:20 - Data Snapshot: Frontier Access Challenges 00:20:10 - Meeting People Where They Are 00:23:05 - Building Community Through Everyday Moments 00:25:30 - Local Stops: Meeker & Craig Highlights 00:27:00 - Closing Thoughts & Why Community Matters Connect with us:  https://ruralpolicypartners.com/  https://www.linkedin.com/linkedin.com/company/rural-policy-partners/  https://www.facebook.com/facebook.com/ruralpolicypartners https://www.youtube.com/@ruralpolicypartners Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/5zDzMIkNzMs

    25 min

  4. May 19

    142. Colorado Rural Health Conference Live: What We’re Learning About 988, Rural Access, and System Change

    In this live episode from the Colorado Rural Health Conference, we unpack real-time insights on the evolution of the 988 mental health line, the structural and cultural challenges shaping access in rural communities, and what it actually takes to build systems people will use. From cross-state coordination issues and shifting liability in crisis response to surprising data trends and lessons in collaboration, this conversation highlights both the progress and the persistent gaps in behavioral health systems. We also reflect on how to make the most of conferences as a tool for learning, connection, and meaningful change. In this episode, you will be able to: Understand the structural challenges impacting 988 utilization, especially in rural and border communities.Explore how language, stigma, and cultural norms influence whether people seek help.Learn what Colorado’s data reveals about who is actually using 988—and how.Gain insights into shifting crisis response models, liability, and early intervention strategies.Discover key lessons on collaboration, data overload, and leading system-wide change in rural healthcare. The key moments in this episode are: 00:00:09 - Introduction & Live from Colorado Rural Health Conference 00:02:10 - Structural Challenges with 988 & Rural Access Gaps 00:06:35 - Border Communities, Geo-Fencing & Coordination Efforts 00:09:20 - Culture, Language & Why People Don’t Reach Out 00:12:45 - “It’s Not What You Build—It’s What People Will Use” 00:15:30 - Shifting from Crisis Response to Early Intervention 00:18:40 - Liability Changes in Crisis Systems & Law Enforcement Roles 00:21:55 - Colorado 988 Data Insights: Who’s Calling & Outcomes 00:25:10 - Emergency Departments, Law Enforcement & System Strain 00:28:00 - Lessons from Obstetrics: Coordination & Leadership in Care 00:31:15 - Data Overload & Rural Transformation Anxiety 00:34:20 - Pay-for-Performance & Measuring What Matters 00:37:05 - How to Use Conferences for Real Impact 00:39:30 - Closing Thoughts & Key Takeaways Connect with us:  https://ruralpolicypartners.com/  https://www.linkedin.com/linkedin.com/company/rural-policy-partners/  https://www.facebook.com/facebook.com/ruralpolicypartners https://www.youtube.com/@ruralpolicypartners Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/i28toWoPZ4U

    32 min

  5. May 12

    141. How to Conference Successfully (Without Wasting Your Time or Energy)

    In this episode, we break down how to actually get value out of conferences—beyond just showing up. From setting intentional goals to making meaningful connections and following up effectively, we share practical strategies to help you maximize your time, energy, and investment. We also explore the scale and impact of conferences across the country and highlight some of the unexpected benefits—from networking socials to local experiences—that make these events worth attending (when done right). In this episode, you will be able to: How to set clear goals before attending a conference so you leave with real outcomesWhy intentional networking (and actually following up) is the biggest ROI driverHow to stay present and avoid common conference distractionsTips for packing, presenting yourself professionally, and protecting your workThe importance of maintaining your routine and energy during multi-day eventsHow to leverage social media and conference apps to deepen connectionsWhat the data says about the scale and impact of conferences across the U.S.The hidden benefits of conferences—from social events to local experiences and relationship building The key moments in this episode are: 00:00:00 - Introduction & Whiny Farmer Intro 00:02:00 - Why Conferences Matter & Setting Intentions 00:04:30 - Networking with Purpose (and Actually Meaning It) 00:07:15 - Staying Present & Avoiding Common Pitfalls 00:09:45 - Smart Packing, Professional Presence & Protecting Your Work 00:12:30 - Maintaining Routine, Energy & Self-Care During Conferences 00:14:50 - Leveraging Social Media & Conference Apps 00:17:10 - Conference Industry Data & What It Tells Us 00:19:45 - The Unexpected Perks: Socials, Local Experiences & Fun 00:22:30 - Final Tips & Closing Thoughts Connect with us:  https://ruralpolicypartners.com/  https://www.linkedin.com/linkedin.com/company/rural-policy-partners/  https://www.facebook.com/facebook.com/ruralpolicypartners https://www.youtube.com/@ruralpolicypartners Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/NTAVtixOeis

    41 min

  6. May 5

    140. 911 Meets 988: Reimagining Crisis Response Through Alignment, Data, and Action

    In this episode, we explore the critical intersection of 911 and 988 and what it means for the future of crisis response systems across the country. With millions of calls flowing through both systems each year, the conversation goes beyond awareness and into action—highlighting the need for alignment, shared language, and system redesign. We unpack the realities of current response structures, the data driving change, and the opportunity to build a more effective, human-centered approach to crisis care that better serves communities, responders, and individuals in need. In this episode, you will be able to: Understand the key differences and connections between 911 and 988 crisis response systems.Explore why many 911 calls fall outside traditional emergency response needs.Learn how alignment, shared terminology, and facilitation can strengthen crisis response efforts.Review key data points shaping national conversations around emergency and behavioral health response.Discover practical ways to engage in and influence local and state-level system change. The key moments in this episode are: 00:00:00 - Introduction & Opening Story 00:02:10 - Why 911 and 988 Are Both Critical (and Confusing) 00:06:45 - The Reality of 911 Call Volume & System Strain 00:10:30 - What 988 Is—and How It’s Growing 00:14:15 - The Case for System Alignment & Shared Language 00:18:40 - Data Driving the Need for Change 00:22:05 - Rethinking Response: What Should Happen Instead? 00:25:30 - What You Can Do at the State & Local Level 00:28:00 - Opportunities for Engagement & Closing Thoughts Links: http://Transform911.orghttps://www.samhsa.gov/mental-health/988/performance-metricshttps://alumniandfriends.uchicago.edu/s/uchicago-review-story/a4X1U0000009gQUUAY/reimagining-crisis-responsehttps://urbanlabs.uchicago.edu/attachments/f245b687ea00b9e61794dcba5e5937f3451aa6e4/store/8c61d792e209a352a81298a621188987628b280c2d03a600a7efb3c995d9/CARE+Eval+Report+-+FINAL_REL.pdf  Connect with us:  https://ruralpolicypartners.com/  https://www.linkedin.com/linkedin.com/company/rural-policy-partners/  https://www.facebook.com/facebook.com/ruralpolicypartners https://www.youtube.com/@ruralpolicypartners Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/7S3OBP-0Itg

    35 min

  7. Apr 28

    139. Let’s Talk Rural: Mental Health, Agriculture, and the Truth About Rural Resilience with Lauren Van Ewyk and Bridgette Readel

    In this episode, we dive into the realities of rural life and mental health with guests Lauren Van Ewyk and Bridgette Readel. From the unique pressures facing farmers to the concept of “coerced resilience,” this conversation explores what it really takes for rural communities to thrive. With perspectives grounded in agriculture, counseling, and lived experience, Lauren and Bridgette share insights on the gaps in rural mental health support, the evolving conversation around seeking help, and the importance of building systems that truly understand rural life. In this episode, you will be able to: Understand the unique mental health challenges faced by farmers and rural communities.Explore the concept of “coerced resilience” and its impact on wellbeing.Learn why rural-informed care and agriculture-informed therapy matter.Discover who is least likely to seek help—and why.Gain insight into the gaps in rural mental health resources and what’s improving.Hear how storytelling and connection through platforms like The Rural Well are supporting rural wellness. The key moments in this episode are: 00:00:09 - Introduction & Whiny Farmer Intro 00:02:10 - Meet Lauren Van Ewyk & Bridgette Readel 00:06:45 - Agriculture, Mental Health & Rural Advocacy 00:11:20 - Barriers to Rural Wellness & Access to Care 00:15:05 - Coerced Resilience Explained 00:18:40 - Who Is (and Isn’t) Seeking Help 00:22:10 - Rural Mental Health Data & Population Insights 00:25:30 - What Rural Communities Need to Thrive 00:29:15 - The Rural Well Podcast & Building Connection 00:33:00 - Passion for Rural Wellness & Closing Thoughts Links: https://linktr.ee/theruralwell  Connect with us:  https://ruralpolicypartners.com/  https://www.linkedin.com/linkedin.com/company/rural-policy-partners/  https://www.facebook.com/facebook.com/ruralpolicypartners https://www.youtube.com/@ruralpolicypartners Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/EsCdc2qEy_0

    40 min

  8. Apr 21

    138. Where the Money Is: How to Fund Behavioral Health Innovation & Technical Support

    In this episode, we break down a question many rural leaders and providers are asking: where do you actually find funding for technical support, innovation, and system change? From foundations and state agencies to local service clubs and unexpected funding streams, we explore how thinking broadly—and strategically—can unlock dollars that fuel long-term impact. We also discuss why starting small matters, how projects can grow over time, and the critical role data plays in sustaining and expanding your work. In this episode, you will be able to: How to identify diverse funding sources for behavioral health and community initiatives.Why thinking beyond traditional grants can open doors to innovation.The role of partnerships, foundations, and local organizations in funding projects.How to use data to demonstrate impact and connect outcomes to financial sustainability.Practical next steps to start securing funding in your own community. The key moments in this episode are: 00:00:00 - Introduction & Opening Segment (Whiny Farmer Intro + Welcome) 00:02:00 - Framing the Question: Where Do You Find Funding? 00:04:30 - Thinking Broadly About Funding Innovation & Technical Support 00:07:15 - Key Funding Sources: State Agencies, Associations & Foundations 00:11:20 - Leveraging Community Connections & Local Funders 00:14:45 - Real-World Examples of Grant-Funded Collaboration 00:17:30 - Why Data Matters: Measuring Impact & Telling the Story 00:20:10 - Connecting Outcomes to Dollars & Sustainability 00:22:40 - Starting Small: Local Resources & First Steps 00:25:00 - Closing Thoughts & Encouragement Connect with us:  https://ruralpolicypartners.com/  https://www.linkedin.com/linkedin.com/company/rural-policy-partners/  https://www.facebook.com/facebook.com/ruralpolicypartners https://www.youtube.com/@ruralpolicypartners   Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/gh9jnt2EX58

    38 min
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The Stepping In It Podcast is a weekly discussion of the latest news and trends in behavioral health policy development and practice. Each episode features interviews with experts from across the field, including policymakers, clinicians, researchers, and advocates. The podcast provides listeners with practical tips and resources for improving the quality and access to behavioral health care. 

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