Disorder

Jason Pack
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Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder. Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral coalitions that work, how can we regulate AI, defend Ukraine, and fight climate change? All in a world without American leadership? Disorder is the go-to podcast for anyone who wants intelligent, thoughtful solutions to the Disorder engulfing our mad mad mad mad world. To join our Mega Orderers Club, and get ad free listening, early episode releases, bonus content and exclusive access to live events, visit ⁠disordershow.com/club Website: https://disordershow.com/

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  1. 2d ago ·  Bonus • Subscribers Only

    MEGA ORDERERS EXTENDED EPISODE: Erin Petrey on Midterm Battles, Rebuilding Civic Trust, and Playing Hardball

    What do Erin’s experiences in post-revolutionary Libya reveal about the collapse of civic trust back home? Then, as Jason and Erin Order the Disorder, they debate whether centrist pragmatic realism or progressive dreaming is the path forward. They explore critical Senate and House races to watch in North Carolina and Texas, whether Democrats should pack the Supreme Court to counter executive overreach, and how international trade and tariffs could hit MAGA voters where it hurts. Plus: can the rule of law still win in Trump’s America, or must centrist Democrats go lower to actually restore order?

  2. 3d ago

    Ep 213 The Democratic Identity ahead of the Midterms with Erin Petrey

    Jason is joined by former Kentucky congressional candidate Erin Petrie, board member of Bourbon Women and active DAR member, to dissect the ideological clash at the heart of the American left. They discuss whether progressive slogans like "abolish ICE" drive moderate voters into Trumpism, how Citizens United and billionaire donors have created a pay-to-play system and why politicians in Washington fail to address the affordability crisis in rural America. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: What do Erin’s experiences in post-revolutionary Libya reveal about the collapse of civic trust back home? Then, as Jason and Erin Order the Disorder, they debate whether centrist pragmatic realism or progressive dreaming is the path forward. They explore critical Senate and House races to watch in North Carolina and Texas, whether Democrats should pack the Supreme Court to counter executive overreach, and how international trade and tariffs could hit MAGA voters where it hurts. Plus: can the rule of law still win in Trump’s America, or must centrist Democrats go lower to actually restore order? Join the Mega Orderers Club for the full bonus:  https://disordershow.com/club Producer: Sam Cluley Subscribe to Ordering the Disorder:  https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Erin’s Website:  https://erinpetrey.com/ Erin’s Podcast:  https://www.thekentuckyedge.com/on-the-edge-with-erin-petrey/ Kentucky Educational Television (KET) Debate Coverage Citizens United v. FEC:  https://www.fec.gov/legal-resources/court-cases/citizens-united-v-fec/ History of ICE: https://www.dhs.gov/history Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

  3. 3d ago • Subscribers Only

    Ep 213. The Democratic Identity ahead of the Midterms w/ Erin Petrey

    Jason is joined by former Kentucky congressional candidate Erin Petrie, board member of Bourbon Women and active DAR member, to dissect the ideological clash at the heart of the American left. They discuss whether progressive slogans like "abolish ICE" drive moderate voters into Trumpism, how Citizens United and billionaire donors have created a pay-to-play system and why politicians in Washington fail to address the affordability crisis in rural America. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: What do Erin’s experiences in post-revolutionary Libya reveal about the collapse of civic trust back home? Then, as Jason and Erin Order the Disorder, they debate whether centrist pragmatic realism or progressive dreaming is the path forward. They explore critical Senate and House races to watch in North Carolina and Texas, whether Democrats should pack the Supreme Court to counter executive overreach, and how international trade and tariffs could hit MAGA voters where it hurts. Plus: can the rule of law still win in Trump’s America, or must centrist Democrats go lower to actually restore order? Join the Mega Orderers Club for the full bonus:
https://disordershow.com/club Producer: Sam Cluley Subscribe to Ordering the Disorder:
https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Erin’s Website: https://erinpetrey.com/ Erin’s Podcast: https://www.thekentuckyedge.com/on-the-edge-with-erin-petrey/ Kentucky Educational Television (KET) Debate Coverage Citizens United v. FEC: https://www.fec.gov/legal-resources/court-cases/citizens-united-v-fec/ History of ICE: https://www.dhs.gov/history

  4. 4d ago ·  Bonus • Subscribers Only

    Mega Orderers Bonus: Can Ukraine Actually Win? And more Bears

    What would Ukrainian victory — and Russian defeat — actually look like? Responding to listener Mark Grindlay's challenge, Jason and Mark Galeotti debate whether Russia watchers are too predisposed towards negotiated settlements and too skeptical about outright Ukrainian victory. Could Ukraine ever force Russia from all occupied territory? Would a settlement simply allow Putin to regroup? And what security guarantees would actually prevent another war? They also return to Hanna Notte’s argument about raising the costs of Russia continuing the war, before ending somewhere rather more unexpected: Russia’s booming brown bear population, the bear’s strange place in Russian folklore, and why rampaging bears might just be the perfect symbol of a disordering Russia. Mark Galeotti’s In Moscow’s Shadows:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/in-moscows-shadows/id1510124746 In Moscow’s Shadows 264: Russia’s Bear(s) On The March:
https://podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/in-moscows-shadows-264-russias-bear-s-on-the-march/id1510124746?i=1000791844169 Listen to our episode with Hanna Notte — Can Putin Outlast the West (by Disordering it)?:
https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/35b8c221b3fca72fafb5a4b0fee7924f22d97423/view Ordering the Disorder:
https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow Join the Mega Orderers Club:
https://disordershow.com/club

  5. 5d ago • Subscribers Only

    Ep 212. The Rampaging of the Russian Bears and Welcome to ‘War Putinism’ With Mark Galeotti

    What exactly is “War Putinism” — and how long can it survive? Jason is joined by Russia expert Mark Galeotti, host of In Moscow’s Shadows, to get inside the increasingly militarised, kleptocratic system Putin has built. They discuss Russia’s recent Duma elections, whether the war economy is devouring Russia’s future, how corruption changes when elites stop believing the system will last forever, and why Russia is so effective at exploiting divisions in Western societies. Then they Order the Disorder: Jason and Mark disagree agreeably over whether Europe needs greater unity or much bolder action against Russia — before exploring financial enforcement, sanctions, Russian money flows and what the West could actually do to constrain Putin’s capacity to disorder the international system. And, naturally, there are bears. Lots of rampaging Russian bears. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Can Ukraine actually win? Responding to a listener challenge, Jason and Mark debate what Russian defeat could realistically mean, whether any settlement merely gives Putin time to regroup, and what security guarantees Ukraine would actually need. Plus: even more on Russia’s increasingly disorderly bears. Join the Mega Orderers Club for the full bonus:
https://disordershow.com/club Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to Ordering the Disorder:
https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Mark Galeotti’s In Moscow’s Shadows:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/in-moscows-shadows/id1510124746 In Moscow’s Shadows 264: Russia’s Bear(s) On The March:
https://podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/in-moscows-shadows-264-russias-bear-s-on-the-march/id1510124746?i=1000791844169 Our recent episode with Hanna Notte — Can Putin Outlast the West (by Disordering it)?:
https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/35b8c221b3fca72fafb5a4b0fee7924f22d97423/view Disorder Ep. 196 with Jamison Firestone — Rule of Lies: The Origin Story of Putin’s Russia:
https://podcasts.apple.com/id/podcast/ep-196-rule-of-lies-the-origin-story-of/id1706818264?i=1000777642161 Our previous episode with Sir Bill Browder:
https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/a36160dede2b990a59c34c3c4e8eeece Join the Mega Orderers Club:
https://disordershow.com/club

  6. 5d ago

    Ep 212. The Rampaging of the Russian Bears and Welcome to ‘War Putinism’ With Mark Galeotti

    What exactly is “War Putinism” — and how long can it survive? Jason is joined by Russia expert Mark Galeotti, host of In Moscow’s Shadows, to get inside the increasingly militarised, kleptocratic system Putin has built. They discuss Russia’s recent Duma elections, whether the war economy is devouring Russia’s future, how corruption changes when elites stop believing the system will last forever, and why Russia is so effective at exploiting divisions in Western societies. Then they Order the Disorder: Jason and Mark disagree agreeably over whether Europe needs greater unity or much bolder action against Russia — before exploring financial enforcement, sanctions, Russian money flows and what the West could actually do to constrain Putin’s capacity to disorder the international system. And, naturally, there are bears. Lots of rampaging Russian bears. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Can Ukraine actually win? Responding to a listener challenge, Jason and Mark debate what Russian defeat could realistically mean, whether any settlement merely gives Putin time to regroup, and what security guarantees Ukraine would actually need. Plus: even more on Russia’s increasingly disorderly bears. Join the Mega Orderers Club for the full bonus: https://disordershow.com/club Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to Ordering the Disorder: https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Mark Galeotti’s In Moscow’s Shadows: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/in-moscows-shadows/id1510124746 In Moscow’s Shadows 264: Russia’s Bear(s) On The March: https://podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/in-moscows-shadows-264-russias-bear-s-on-the-march/id1510124746?i=1000791844169 Our recent episode with Hanna Notte — Can Putin Outlast the West (by Disordering it)?: https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/35b8c221b3fca72fafb5a4b0fee7924f22d97423/view Disorder Ep. 196 with Jamison Firestone — Rule of Lies: The Origin Story of Putin’s Russia: https://podcasts.apple.com/id/podcast/ep-196-rule-of-lies-the-origin-story-of/id1706818264?i=1000777642161 Our previous episode with Sir Bill Browder: https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/a36160dede2b990a59c34c3c4e8eeece Join the Mega Orderers Club: https://disordershow.com/club Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

  7. Sep 28

    Ep 211. Peacemakers: Do Aziz Abu Sarah and Maoz Inon have the answers to ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

    This is a story about an Israeli and a Palestinian who refuse to give up. Instead, they teach us that “Peace is an action”. Rejecting revenge and rage, Aziz offers an image that stays with us: anger is like nuclear power. It can destroy, or it can light a path. This is a conversation about what it takes to choose the latter, and what the rest of us might do next. Maoz Inon's parents were killed in the Hamas attacks of 7 October 2023. Aziz Abu Sarah's brother was killed by injuries from torture he suffered in Israeli custody. They have every reason to know what this conflict costs. Together, they insist that its future can still be peace. In this episode of Out of Order, Mark Lobel, a British Jew and journalist, speaks with the Israeli and Palestinian co-authors of The Future Is Peace, alongside his childhood friend Rida Saïd, a British Muslim, entrepreneur and advisor in the Middle East, dedicated to peace and dialogue in the region. Their conversation moves from grief and anger to the hard work of building a movement: protecting Palestinian farmers during the olive harvest, teaching young women in the West Bank, creating a place where Israelis and Palestinians can encounter each other’s stories, and pressing people with power to act.  The peace activists also share their thoughts on: Ed Sheeran, Macklemore, Ed Miliband, the UK government’s sanctions against West Bank settlements, the upcoming Israeli and Palestinian elections and Aziz’s assertion that just three and a half percent of a society can change the social and political structure of a country. Mark and Rida ask the questions that test that vision. Why spend so much time appealing to audiences abroad? What should happen when language meant to demand freedom makes someone else afraid? And, if the politicians will not lead, who will? Guests: Maoz Inon, Aziz Abu Sarah, Rida Saïd  Producer: George McDonagh  Join the Mega Orderers Club for ad free listening, early release episodes and more: https://disordershow.com/club Show Note Links: Contact Maoz and Aziz’s non-profit organisation here: https://www.iinteract.org/ Buy Maoz and Aziz’s book here: The Future Is Peace, a New York Times bestseller https://www.amazon.co.uk/Future-Peace-Aziz-Abu-Sarah/dp/1837264074/ref=asc_df_1837264074?mcid=cac2792703583071a5d48985f377d155&th=1&psc=1&tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=781185311404&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=700057887293780533&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045954&hvtargid=pla-2449018475226&psc=1&hvocijid=700057887293780533-1837264074-&hvexpln=0&gad_source=1 Read ‘A Law Catching Up with a Truth We Have Always Known’ by Rida Said: https://www.arabnews.com/opinion/a-law-finally-catching-up-with-a-truth-we-have-always-known-3001235  Watch Maoz and Aziz’s TED Talk, April 2024: https://www.ted.com/talks/aziz_abu_sarah_and_maoz_inon_a_palestinian_and_an_israeli_face_to_face  Subscribe to Out of Order on Substack here: https://substack.com/@marklobeltv  Follow Out of Order on Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/outofordermarklobel/?hl=en-gb  Follow Out of Order on Youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/@OutofOrderwithMarkLobel  Get in touch with Mark here: https://www.mark-lobel.com/  Maoz and Aziz addressing the United Nations, 28th September 2026: https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1i/k1idc71j2y Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

    Ep 211. Peacemakers: Do Aziz Abu Sarah and Maoz Inon have the answers to ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

  8. Sep 25 • Subscribers Only

    Mega Orderers Bonus: Russia or Ukraine: Who has time on their hands?

    For Mega Orderers, Jason and Hanna get much more granular about where the war stands right now: Russia’s incremental advances in the Donbas, Ukraine’s increasingly effective deep-strike campaign against Russian energy infrastructure, Russia’s attempt to batter Ukraine through another winter, and the economic war of attrition taking place alongside the battlefield war. They also examine the negotiations around Witkoff, why the Donbas remains the central obstacle to a ceasefire, possible security guarantees for Ukraine, and Russia’s changing relationships with Israel, Iran and post-Assad Syria.

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Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder. Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral coalitions that work, how can we regulate AI, defend Ukraine, and fight climate change? All in a world without American leadership? Disorder is the go-to podcast for anyone who wants intelligent, thoughtful solutions to the Disorder engulfing our mad mad mad mad world. To join our Mega Orderers Club, and get ad free listening, early episode releases, bonus content and exclusive access to live events, visit ⁠disordershow.com/club Website: https://disordershow.com/

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  • Creator
    Jason Pack
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    231
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 766979 868329
  • Show Website
    Disorder
  • Provider
    George McDonagh

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