Inorganic Podcast

Christian Hassold & Ayelet Shipley
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Ayelet Shipley and Christian Hassold host the Inorganic Podcast. Ayelet and Christian have combined 20 years of experience helping venture and private equity sponsors execute mergers and acquisitions in SaaS and digital agencies in the U.S. and Europe. On this podcast, Ayelet and Christian discuss M&A strategy, sourcing tactics, and other dynamics around mergers and acquisitions. They also report on market activity, emphasizing larger companies buying smaller SaaS or agencies and discussing the rationale behind the deals and economics. We sometimes invite guests to join our discussion, building on our mission to make the art and science of M&A more transparent for buyers, sellers, and financial sponsors. Interested in sponsoring the show? Contact ⁠Marketecture Media.⁠ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. 4d ago

    E88: From Journalist to Founder: John Thornhill on Why Humans Still Beat the Agents

    A special one: Ayelet sits down with John Thornhill, founder of Sifted, also an In/Organic sponsor, for a wide-ranging conversation on building a data and intelligence business, what journalism taught him about founding a company, and where human judgment still outperforms AI in a world of agents that can scrape and synthesize everything. Sifted just made its first acquisition, so naturally the conversation turns to M&A: what doing his own deal taught a man who covers acquirers every day, and who the likely strategic buyer for Sifted might be. What we cover: → John’s background and the founding story behind Sifted → How a journalism background becomes an advantage as a founder, crisis management, tough deadlines, and knowing when “perfect is the enemy of the good” → Where the journalist instinct can get in the way, and why good people around you matter → Humans vs. agents: what the people at Sifted do better than AI right now → Sifted’s first acquisition, and whether more M&A is coming → What running his own deal taught him that covering acquirers didn’t → Why the human side of deals stays “hairy”, mindset, psychology, and behavior over numbers → The likely strategic buyer for Sifted: an obvious name like PitchBook, or someone you wouldn’t expect? → Rapid fire: what AI lifts more in 2027, journalism and human perspective, or the data business → The closing idea: humans can “taste” it, not just touch it, and why that’s where the value keeps going ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:45 — Welcome + introducing John Thornhill of Sifted 0:53 — Who is John, and the Sifted origin story 6:51 — How a journalism background became a founder’s advantage 8:17 — Crisis management, deadlines, and “perfect is the enemy of the good” 9:28 — Where the journalist instinct gets in the way (and the people who help) 9:28 — Humans vs. agents: what Sifted’s people do better than AI 18:49 — Sifted’s first acquisition, and whether more M&A is coming 20:26 — What doing his own deal taught a man who covers acquirers daily 21:09 — Why the human side of deals stays hairy: psychology over numbers 23:18 — The likely strategic buyer for Sifted, PitchBook, or a surprise? 25:53 — Rapid fire: journalism/human perspective vs. the data business in 2027 27:47 — The closing idea: humans can taste it, not just touch it 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E88: From Journalist to Founder: John Thornhill on Why Humans Still Beat the Agents

  2. Oct 3

    E87: Amazon is Coming for SaaS & More Deals in Social Commerce

    Every founder has heard it: "What if Amazon builds it? What if Shopify builds it?" The answer was always "they won't, it's not their focus." This week, at Amazon Accelerate and Unboxed, that answer stopped being true, and AI is why. Christian and Ayelet break down Amazon's move into free multi-channel selling tools and an ads agent platform, what it means for the Rithums and point solutions of the world, and why it might actually be good news for agencies. Plus two creator/commerce fundings, a TikTok Shop roll-up, and the one fight that ties the whole episode together: who owns the seller's workflow? What we cover: → Christian's move to Palazzo (joining Phil and Eric) and the commerce practice he's building, plus a run of closed deals since he arrived → A candid gripe: why it's so hard to get female founders to say yes to an interview, and Christian's outsized effort toward inclusivity → Amazon Accelerate: free multi-channel selling tools in Seller Central (eBay, Shopify, TikTok, Walmart) and what it does to channel-management software (Rithum, etc.) → The data question (via Scott Wingo): do retailers and sellers really want all that flowing through Amazon? → Amazon Unboxed: the new ads agent platform stringing together campaign intelligence, auto-optimization, and ads data management, and why it may help agencies more than hurt them → Confido raises: four software categories (chargebacks, deductions, trade promotion management) collapsed into one AI-driven product → Yuka raises $5M seed: end-to-end TikTok Shop creator affiliate management (17K+ brands, $4B in sales) → Common Thread Collective acquires T-Bar: the PE cross-sell playbook, and why "do more with less" TikTok Shop shops look like garage bands to a market that still wants to see 30 people in the room → Why TikTok is a volatile channel, and why investors need to back founders who can dance with it The through-line: who owns the seller's workflow? Amazon wants it from the inside, software wants to automate it, agencies want the relationships, and only one of the three is free. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 — Cold open: "What if Amazon builds it?" just came true 1:16 — Welcome back + tracking down Ayelet 1:47 — Retail Club, Amazon Unboxed, and a nod to the Power Digital/Piranha interview 3:08 — Big news: Christian joins Palazzo and brings commerce to the practice 3:57 — A lucky rabbit's foot: deal activity since joining (Sailor, Mutiny) 4:07 — The gripe: why female founders keep saying no to interviews 7:33 — Amazon's two conferences: Accelerate (sellers) and Unboxed (advertisers) 8:04 — Accelerate: free multi-channel selling tools in Seller Central 8:33 — What it does to channel-management software (Rithum and others) 9:03 — The Scott Wingo nuance: the data question for retailers and sellers 9:36 — Unboxed: the new ads agent platform 10:09 — Why Amazon just decided to build it all anyway 12:23 — Why this is probably good for agencies (consistency in client experience) 14:02 — Deal: Confido and collapsing four software categories into one 15:32 — Deal: Yuka raises $5M for end-to-end TikTok Shop creator management 16:30 — The number-one thing everyone's hunting: a TikTok Shop agency "not in a garage" 18:03 — Deal: Common Thread Collective acquires T-Bar 19:11 — Why scaled-but-small TikTok Shop agencies look like garage bands (and aren't) 21:34 — Why TikTok is a volatile channel and what that means for investors 22:40 — The creator-stack deep dive coming soon 23:34 — The PE cross-sell playbook: prove you have "one" before underwriting "three" 25:40 — The whole episode in one fight: who owns the seller's workflow? 26:24 — Wrap + subscriber Substack 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E87: Amazon is Coming for SaaS & More Deals in Social Commerce

  3. Sep 25

    E86: Proof Beats Potential: Inside Power Digital's Acquisition of pirawna

    Power Digital just announced the acquisition of pirawna and uptickk, a global Amazon advertising agency with a TikTok marketing platform. In this episode, Ayelet was joined by Britney Schroeder, who leads M&A at Power, to get the acquirer's playbook: how they source, what makes a business the right fit, how they run product diligence, and why their integrations actually work. The discussion also covers some of the detail of the acquisition process for pirawna Britney is that rare corp dev leader who came up as an operator, she joined Power in 2015 to build content marketing, ran multiple service lines, and owned integrations before moving to the buy side. That dual lens is the throughline of the whole conversation. What we cover: → Why an operator-turned-M&A-lead can tell within minutes whether a business will actually work inside Power (not just look good on paper) → Power's shift from service-focused to vertical-focused M&A, and why it started with clients, not deal strategy (Social Method in 2021, Cardinal for healthcare in 2025) → The Piranha / Uptick deal: how an Amazon referral connected them, why the CPG-heavy client base and proven social-commerce go-to-market made it special → Proof beats potential: why Power buys founders who've already executed cross-sell, not ones who only pitch the idea → How they knew Piranha was about to go to market (Palazzo advised sell-side), and why it was a competitive process won on culture → How product diligence has changed, letting two experts (TikTok lead to TikTok lead) talk for two hours while the room stays silent → When to bring the seller's leadership team into integration planning, and how to handle a nervous founder → Why transparency is the #1 cultural green flag Britney looks for → Aligning incentives via shared 2027 budgets and a weekly model meeting, integrating two weeks before Prime Day → What "great deal" looks like a year out, and what's next: retail marketplaces (Walmart, Target), more healthcare (Cardinal), financial/home services, creative, and influencer A masterclass for any founder thinking about selling, and any acquirer trying to make one plus one equal five. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:25 — Welcome + why Britney Schroeder and the new Power Digital deal 0:56 — Britney's path: operator since 2015 to leading M&A 1:57 — What the operator lens catches that other corp dev leads miss 2:41 — What Power Digital is today: a growth operator going AI-native 3:22 — The pivot to vertical-focused M&A 4:08 — Why vertical focus started with clients, not deal strategy 6:03 — Why vertical expertise beats a generalist approach 6:47 — The Piranha / Uptick deal: what made it the right fit 8:13 — The Amazon referral, and reading a founder's regard for their team 8:33 — Proof over pitch: they'd already built a go-to-market around Uptick 9:27 — The difference between "we could cross-sell" and having actually done it 10:55 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro 11:34 — Were they on market? The fortuitous timing and competitive process 13:07 — Product diligence: how it's changed and why it's night and day vs. five years ago 15:30 — Asking better questions and getting the right experts in the room 16:09 — Letting two TikTok leads talk for two hours while the room goes silent 17:03 — Bringing the seller's leadership into diligence, not just top-to-top 18:08 — Handling a founder nervous about looping in their team 19:39 — Why the first three layers of leadership are a non-starter to skip 20:20 — What made this a no-brainer beyond size and culture 21:08 — Why transparency is the #1 cultural green flag 22:21 — Aligning founders and incentives: shared 2027 budgets, weekly model meeting 23:32 — Integrating two weeks before Prime Day, and testing cross-sell early 24:25 — What a "great deal" looks like one year out 25:40 — What's next for Power: marketplaces, healthcare, and more verticals 27:11 — Build vs. buy, and the CPG investment 28:03 — Wrap and congrats 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E86: Proof Beats Potential: Inside Power Digital's Acquisition of pirawna

  4. Sep 18

    E85: Is "Chief AI Officer" a Real Job? Inside BOL's Brandcave Tuck-In

    This week a ~50-person B2B agency in San Diego bought a sub-10-person design shop in Austin, and the headline wasn't the deal, it was the title handed to the acquired founder: Chief AI Officer. So the question is simple: is Chief AI Officer a real job, or window dressing to announce "we're an agentic agency now"? In this solo edition (Ayelet's back next week), Christian runs his operator's read on a textbook capability-and-leader tuck-in, plus a fresh European PE war chest, the creator-commerce infrastructure gold rush, and a $180M raise that Google may have just poked a hole in. What we cover: → Market update: Cinven closes a ~$2.7B second strategic fund (75% bigger than the last), completes the Salsify buy, and signals a real commerce thesis → The creator-commerce infrastructure wave: Fluencify's 4.3Mpre-seed(2M ARR, 13K creators, 85 countries), on the heels of Levanta and Backyard, and the open TAM question → AMS Fulfillment (Fort Point) acquires Vox Fulfillment, more 3PL roll-up energy after last week's Descartes/Extensiv → Feature deal: BOL (Business Online) acquires Brandcave, why a 28-year-old B2B demand-gen agency buys a design shop and names its founder Chief AI Officer → The operator's read: capability + leader acquisition, likely a cash-efficient low-single-digit multiple with equity upside, and why the real PMI risk is culture and whether Cody can make the CAIO role visible → Quick hit: Profound raises $180M Series D at a $1.8B valuation (Sequoia, Kleiner), and why Jason Goldberg's Google Merchant Center post may be a shot at Profound's synthetic-prompt approach → Quick hit: Adobe acqui-hires Rylo (India) for AI marketing agents → Quick hit: H.I.G. Capital backs Click Here Digital as a regional agency roll-up platform The theme: small money, big intent. Another smart tuck-in in the summer, now fall, of 500 deals. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 — Cold open: is "Chief AI Officer" a real job? 0:31 — Welcome + solo edition housekeeping 0:52 — Market update: Cinven closes a ~$2.7B second strategic fund 1:40 — Cinven's commerce thesis (Salsify, Ongoing Warehouse) 1:55 — Fluencify raises $4.3M pre-seed, and the creator-commerce infrastructure wave 2:50 — Where the money's really going: the plumbing under creator commerce 3:30 — AMS Fulfillment acquires Vox Fulfillment (more 3PL roll-up) 4:00 — Feature deal: BOL acquires Brandcave, and the Chief AI Officer headline 4:50 — "A services company with the agility of a software company," every agency's 2026 BHAG 5:17 — The Hugging Face agent-takeover tangent 5:40 — Operator's read: a capability + leader acquisition 6:40 — Deal price: likely a cash-efficient low-single-digit multiple with equity upside 7:00 — Comms strategy: laser-focused agentic transformation of a 28-year-old business 7:39 — Why Thad doesn't take the banker calls 8:20 — PMI risk: why the nine people won't get lost, and the culture question 11:42 — San Diego vs. Austin culture fit, and institutionalized process risk 13:20 — An open invite: how do a B2B agency and a design shop fit beyond the AI story? 14:07 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro 14:40 — Quick hit: Profound raises $180M at a $1.8B valuation 16:22 — Jason Goldberg, Google Merchant Center, and the synthetic-prompt problem 18:40 — Does Google partner with, or acquire, Profound? 19:20 — Quick hit: Adobe acqui-hires Rylo (India) 20:20 — Quick hit: H.I.G. Capital backs Click Here Digital 21:02 — The subscriber-only Substack, and wrap 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E85: Is "Chief AI Officer" a Real Job? Inside BOL's Brandcave Tuck-In

  5. Sep 11

    E84: The Momentum Premium & PE's 2nd Bet on Product Data

    Gut check for founders: your company's growing fast, customers love you, the forecast is strong. So when should you sell? In this solo Labor Day edition (Ayelet's off enjoying Europe), Christian makes the uncomfortable case backed by data: buyers pay up for momentum, not for a fixer-upper, and the momentum premium is gone the moment you actually need it. He unpacks the wave of startups quietly buying other startups (~540 year-to-date per Crunchbase), then breaks down two feature deals that sit at opposite ends of the momentum spectrum, one raising from strength, one doing M&A to batten down the hatches, plus two quick hits. What we cover: → The startups-buying-startups trend: OpenAI (8 deals), Anthropic (5), MoonPay (5), and why buying a team can be faster than building the capability (3-4 quarters of R&D in one transaction) → Why "firing on all cylinders" is the strongest signal to at least explore a sale, and the Airtable cautionary tale ($11-12B to a $1B sale) → Momentum deal: Levanta raises $22M Series B (Volition) at 80% growth, 90K vetted creators, riding a creator-economy market Goldman sizes at $480B by 2027 → Feature deal #1 (strength): Perion buys PRN for up to $12M, all cash, no earn-out, ~4x forward EBITDA for exclusive in-store screens across 7,400+ locations (Costco, Walmart, and a national healthcare retailer), and why a battered post-Microsoft-Bing ad tech company had to go shopping → Feature deal #2 (product data): a second European PE firm (Tenzing) bets on Pimcore, the open-source-to-open-core PIM/MDM/DXP play, and how it contrasts with Cinven's Salsify deal (front-end vs. retailer-facing) → Why perfect, AI-ready product data is suddenly the hottest boring category in commerce, and whose ears are hot next (Akeneo, Productsup, Stibo) → Quick hits: Descartes acquires Extensiv ($120M all cash) and Integrate acquires CaliberMind (closed-loop B2B demand gen) The lesson: the best deals get done from a position of strength. The tough ones get done from need. Both can be smart, but the momentum premium doesn't wait. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:12 — Cold open: founder gut check, when should you sell? 1:47 — Welcome + Labor Day solo edition 2:38 — Market feature: ~540 startups bought by startups in 2026 (Crunchbase) 4:02 — Why it's often faster to buy a team than build the capability 4:31 — The strongest signal to sell is when you're firing on all cylinders 5:11 — The TAM question, the Claude commerce features, and reading where the puck is going 6:17 — Building strategic-buyer relationships early, and the Airtable cautionary tale 6:55 — Momentum deal: Levanta raises $22M Series B at 80% growth 7:48 — Feature deal #1: Perion acquires PRN for up to $12M (all cash) 9:34 — Operator's read: buying the last inch before purchase 10:40 — Why a post-Microsoft-Bing Perion had to go shopping 11:06 — Deal price: ~4x forward EBITDA, and why it's a steal 11:36 — Comms strategy and low PMI risk (with a watch item on retailer contracts) 13:01 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro 13:46 — Feature deal #2: Tenzing invests in Pimcore (PIM/MDM/DXP) 14:39 — MDM vs. PIM, and Pimcore's open-source-to-open-core shift 16:08 — Operator's read: Christian's home turf (and Salsify disclosure) 17:11 — Front-end vs. retailer-facing: Pimcore vs. Salsify positioning 18:42 — Deal price: undisclosed, but likely in Tenzing's $50-100M range 19:36 — Comms strategy: the AI-data-foundation framing, and why it's thin 20:13 — PMI risk: the open-source-to-open-core monetization bet (ask Adobe about Magento) 21:00 — Final thought: AI-ready product data is the hottest boring category in commerce 21:44 — Quick hit: Descartes acquires Extensiv ($120M all cash) 22:47 — Quick hit: Integrate acquires CaliberMind (closed-loop demand gen) 23:19 — The lesson: the best deals get done from strength 24:19 — Wrap + a nod to Episode 83 with Luke Smith of Croud 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E84: The Momentum Premium & PE's 2nd Bet on Product Data

  6. Sep 4

    E83: "Keep Entrepreneurs Entrepreneurial": Luke Smith on Croud's M&A Playbook | In/Organic

    Luke Smith sold majority control of Croud to private equity in 2024 for one primary reason: to go do serious M&A. Two years in, Christian and Ayelet sit down with the founder and CEO to get the buyer's-eye view, the buy box, the deal-breakers, the integration lessons, and how AI is reshaping what he's willing to pay for. Croud is a 550-person independent global digital performance agency founded in 2011 by two ex-Googlers, with offices across the UK, Dubai, and the US, and two rounds of PE behind it. This is a candid, tactical conversation for anyone thinking about acquiring, selling, or scaling an agency. What we cover: → Why Croud went from minority (LDC, 2019) to majority (ECI, 2024), and what selling control actually buys you → Why founder mindset doesn't change when you sell majority, and the pressure that does → The US expansion plan: doubling a ~$40M revenue business in two years, and why Valerie Davis was the galvanizing hire (she 3x'd Assembly's US business from $50M to $150M) → The buy box: founder fit above everything, a scale play (20-30Mrevenue)vs. acapabilitiesplay(2-3M revenue), and the specialisms Luke wants (influencer/creator, social commerce, data and measurement) → Why "autonomous" AI is a misleading word, and how agentic "Croudies" could cut human resource needs in core channels by 20-25% by next March, and what that does to the multiples he'll pay → How Luke keeps acquired founders incentivized beyond the earnout, and why he fought to retain Born Social's entire six-person leadership group → What's explicitly NOT in the buy box: heavy affiliate, sub-$1M EBITDA, and fully remote businesses (and why in-person matters so much for integration) → The integration philosophy: fully integrated vs. house of brands, and why Croud created a Chief Marketing and Integration Officer role → The end game: staying founder-led past the 1,000-person / $150M "danger zone," the peers Luke admires (PMG, Media.Monks), and the visionary-operator balance ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:24 — Welcome: Luke Smith, founder & CEO of Croud, live from "London" (actually New York) 2:26 — The M&A lens: what the ECI majority sale was built to do 4:23 — What selling control buys you, and what ECI brings (including chairman Steve King) 6:47 — US expansion: do they have the team? The Valerie Davis hire (Assembly: $50M → $150M) 8:41 — The buy box: why founder fit is the #1 criterion 9:00 — The two buckets: the scale play vs. the specialisms play 11:21 — The specialisms Luke wants: influencer/creator, social commerce, data & measurement 12:02 — Platform vs. tuck-in: why he won't buy anything that swamps the business 13:11 — AI and agentic "Croudies": are you buying headcount that's about to get cheaper? 13:46 — Why "autonomous" is misleading, and the 20-25% human resource drop by March 15:48 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro 16:28 — How to keep founders incentivized after the ink dries 17:00 — "Keeping entrepreneurs entrepreneurial" and retaining Born Social's leadership 18:58 — What's explicitly NOT in the buy box: affiliate, sub-$1M EBITDA, fully remote 20:42 — Integration: why Croud created a Chief Marketing & Integration Officer role 21:06 — Fully integrated vs. house of brands, and protecting creative culture at Born Social 23:00 — The end game: Stagwell, Brainlabs, Dept, and the 1,000-person danger zone 25:28 — The "Croud not crude" inside joke, and who Luke never wants to become 26:51 — Founders vs. professional managers: the DNA that gets diluted 30:30 — Rapid fire: the one capability he can't find (influencer/creator) 31:49 — Where to follow Croud and what to watch over the next 12 months 32:35 — Wrap and thanks 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.com

    E83: "Keep Entrepreneurs Entrepreneurial": Luke Smith on Croud's M&A Playbook | In/Organic

  7. Aug 30

    E82: 18 People, No Software, $20M: Inside Acast's Backyard Deal

    18 people in Austin. No software. No institutional backers. Just a phone full of relationships and the sales rights to a couple hundred podcasters. This month, a public company in Sweden paid $20M for exactly that, and we have all the numbers. Christian and Ayelet break down Acast's acquisition of Backyard Ventures, with founder context from Chris Erwin of RockWater stitched throughout, and then take opposite sides of the table: did a 100%-owning, fast-growing bootstrapped founder cash out early on a rocket ship, or read the market perfectly? Plus two AI funding rounds that bracket where the money is going, and two quick-hit deals, including a WPP PR deal that marks their first M&A of 2026 and a commerce deal our own team was on. What we cover: → Two venture rounds at opposite ends of the AI era: Gravity ($38M to put ads inside AI assistants) and Edgify ($9M to stop self-checkout theft at the edge) → The Acast/Backyard deal by the numbers: $20M EV, $16M cash + $4M deferred stock, $16.1M revenue, ~$1.9M EBITDA, a 10.4x multiple → What Acast is really buying: US brand-marketer relationships, an exclusive 200+ creator roster (The Daily Stoic, Piers Morgan, Cal Newport, Mark Manson), and true omni-channel reach → Why this is the second time in eight weeks a European buyer crossed the Atlantic for a creator/podcast agency (after Mar4 Media / Ad Results Media) → Founder context from Chris Erwin: Matt Cisneros's sales background, the bootstrapped content-agnostic model, and commission-only economics with no retainers → The operator's read: strategic value, a full-but-fair price for a people business, the deferred-stock retention handcuff, and why Acast's open-ecosystem reputation lowers PMI risk → The deal architect's read: why a 100%-owner growing 65% sells at 10x, and whether he cashed out early or timed the market perfectly → Why podcast agencies are underappreciated, and how this deal helps set a market comp → Quick hits: WPP Burson acquires Limbic (their first "M&A of 2026"), and Chief Media acquires AMZ Advisors + its stake in Reach Social (a DealCon-built deal our team was on) The takeaway: in an AI world, the scarce, hard-to-recreate asset is the human relationship, and that's exactly what got bought here. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 — Cold open: the business a spreadsheet would tell you not to buy 0:46 — Welcome + what's on this week's Market and Deals 1:39 — Market update: two AI-era venture rounds 1:48 — Gravity raises $38M to put ads inside AI assistants 2:48 — Edgify raises $9M to stop self-checkout theft at the edge 4:13 — Feature deal: Acast buys Backyard Ventures ($20M EV) 5:01 — What Acast is actually buying: the roster and the reach 5:35 — The pattern: the second European cross-Atlantic creator deal in 8 weeks 5:53 — Founder context from Chris Erwin: Matt Cisneros's background and the bootstrapped model 7:47 — The operator's read: strategic value (US relationships + roster + YouTube) 8:40 — Deal price: 10.4x EBITDA and the retention handcuff 9:56 — Comms strategy: a clean US-flag tuck-in, Backyard brand retired, team stays 10:21 — PMI risk: Acast's open-ecosystem reputation and the exclusivity question 11:47 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro 12:23 — The deal architect's read: the founder's perspective, data and feelings 13:30 — Did he cash out early or time the market? The premium question 14:32 — Why podcasting values humans where they matter and tech where it matters 15:14 — The counterpoint: why a 100%-owner growing 65% sells at 10x 16:00 — Why podcast/audio is underappreciated, and how this sets a comp 16:43 — Quick hit: WPP Burson acquires Limbic (their first "M&A of 2026") 17:51 — Quick hit: Chief Media acquires AMZ Advisors + stake in Reach Social 19:12 — The DealCon backstory: relationships that built a chain of deals 20:23 — Programming note: summer schedule, and more deals on the Substack 20:58 — Wrap 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E82: 18 People, No Software, $20M: Inside Acast's Backyard Deal

  8. Aug 26

    E81: The Star Quality Thesis and Our Favorite Q2 Deals

    The summer of 500 deals continues, but this isn't an "M&A is back" story. It's a bifurcated recovery, where a handful of standout assets are having a completely different quarter than the middle of the market. In this half-year review, Christian and Ayelet skip the dry stats read and get into the nitty-gritty: what H1 2026 actually looked like, where the premium is really going, and their favorite (and least favorite) deals of Q2. Christian leads a fast market update, Ayelet unveils her "star quality thesis" on what commands a premium now, and they close with the deals that mattered. What we cover: → The market update: ~335 deals in Q2, ad tech public stocks up ~30%, and why it's a "bifurcated recovery" → Current valuation ranges by category: marketing services (~8.87x EBITDA median), scaled ad tech (~4.9x revenue), digital media/martech (~2.2x EV), and commerce software (2x to 16.9x ARR) → Why the revenue-multiple spread shows money still leaning hard toward tech-led businesses → Why 70% of Q2 deals were strategic-led, and how record-long PE hold periods (~32,500 companies waiting to exit) are shaping the market → Ayelet's "star quality thesis": why scale and measurable results are now table stakes, and the risk factor that actually makes a business the "it girl" → Why you need a clear, account-level value-creation thesis signed at LOI, and the discipline to stick to it instead of going "all cowboy" → Favorite deal: Mar4 Media / Ad Results Media, and why a 25-year audio specialist is a textbook star-quality asset → Least favorite deal: Publicis / LiveRamp, and the neutrality problem that could complicate the very thing they're buying (and who benefits, ID5, Rockad) → Christian's pick: Nth Degree / Invent (with Shamrock), and why the market underrated a "asset-heavy" experiential business that clients keep coming back to → Why podcast agencies may be an underappreciated value buy (and deserve their own episode) The headline: M&A isn't back, it's gotten selective. In an AI world, the "it factor" and the trusted relationship are the scarce things, and that's where the premium is going. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:12 — Cold open: the summer of 500 deals and a bifurcated recovery 0:59 — Welcome + a milestone: 3,000 YouTube subscribers 2:16 — Shout-out to Scott Wingo, our first foundational Substack subscriber 3:07 — Why this episode is different: not a stats read, not an "M&A is back" take 4:00 — The three-part plan: market update, where the premium's going, favorite/least favorite deals 4:26 — Market update: ~335 Q2 deals and a bifurcated recovery 5:10 — The bid-ask spread, AI disruption risk, and raising debt in the upper market 5:47 — Why the lower middle market is seeing its highest volume in two years 6:08 — Valuations by category: marketing services, ad tech, digital media/martech, commerce software 7:15 — Shopify as the public commerce comp (~9x NTM revenue) 7:51 — The revenue-multiple spread: why money leans toward tech-led businesses 8:53 — Lower market vs. middle market: what a "lower market deal" actually is 9:55 — Why strategics are leading (70% of deals) and PE's record-long hold periods 11:04 — The commerce corner: PayPal/Symbio and other smaller comps 11:40 — Pre-2022 SaaS stuck in "AI zombie mode" 12:10 — Ayelet's POV: the "star quality thesis" on where the premium is going 13:43 — Is star quality just creators and influencers? The sorority recruitment analogy 15:03 — Why the risk factor is often what makes a business the star 16:05 — The LOI "dark cloud," and why you need an account-level value-creation thesis 17:49 — Sticking to the thesis vs. going "all cowboy" 18:05 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro 18:59 — Favorite deal: Mar4 Media acquires Ad Results Media 21:01 — The structure: Shamrock keeps a minority stake, CEO stays on 22:08 — Why podcast agencies are an underappreciated category 22:59 — Least favorite deal: Publicis / LiveRamp and the neutrality problem 24:27 — Who benefits from the migration (ID5, Rockad), and Publicis's defense 26:26 — Christian's favorite: Nth Degree acquires Invent (with Shamrock) 27:52 — Why buyers underrated an "asset-heavy" experiential business 29:03 — Wrap: it's not "M&A is back," it's selective, and that's where the premium is 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

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Ayelet Shipley and Christian Hassold host the Inorganic Podcast. Ayelet and Christian have combined 20 years of experience helping venture and private equity sponsors execute mergers and acquisitions in SaaS and digital agencies in the U.S. and Europe. On this podcast, Ayelet and Christian discuss M&A strategy, sourcing tactics, and other dynamics around mergers and acquisitions. They also report on market activity, emphasizing larger companies buying smaller SaaS or agencies and discussing the rationale behind the deals and economics. We sometimes invite guests to join our discussion, building on our mission to make the art and science of M&A more transparent for buyers, sellers, and financial sponsors. Interested in sponsoring the show? Contact ⁠Marketecture Media.⁠ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Christian Hassold & Ayelet Shipley
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    92
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