What if the climate narrative itself is the problem? Paul Hawken is one of the world's most influential environmentalists, entrepreneurs, and authors. Founder of Project Drawdown and Project Regeneration, and New York Times bestselling author of nine books — including The Ecology of Commerce, Drawdown, Regeneration, and his latest, Carbon: The Book of Life (2025) — he has spent over 50 years working at the intersection of ecology, commerce, and regeneration. In this conversation with Sara, Paul challenges the very language of the climate movement — the word "sustainability," the phrase "climate crisis," the idea that we can "fix" the Earth. He argues that treating nature as something "out there" to be saved or managed — what he calls "othering" — is not just intellectually wrong. It is why, after 50 years of knowing exactly what to do, less than 1% of the world is doing anything about it on a daily basis. He talks about carbon not as a villain but as the source of all life itself — present in 10 billion molecules in every cell of your body. He speaks about indigenous languages as the deepest ecological teaching humanity has ever produced. He introduces the Parliament of Earthlings — the idea that there are 3.9 trillion voices on this planet, most of which we never listen to. And he shares the Alliance for Earth, a new global platform connecting regenerative communities across 105 languages. But beneath all of it runs one conviction: that the largest movement in human history is already arising — quietly, everywhere, in small communities dedicated to restoring life. And it closes with a line that will stay with you long after the episode ends. "Do not try to save the Earth. The Earth is here to save you." In this episode: Why the climate narrative has failed — and what "othering" nature really meansWhy carbon is not a villain but the source of all life — and what we lost by demonising itWhy "sustainability" is a meaningless word — and what to say insteadHow Western noun-based languages keep us separate from the living world — and what indigenous verb-based languages teach usWhy capitalism cannot deliver regeneration — and what natural capital would actually look likeThe Parliament of Earthlings: what it means to listen to 3.9 trillion voicesElephants communicating through concrete walls, and mother bats naming their childrenThe Alliance for Earth: connecting regenerative communities across 105 languagesWhy the largest movement in human history is already happening — and why we can't see it About Paul Hawken: Paul Hawken is a renowned environmentalist, entrepreneur, and author committed to the regeneration of nature and humanity. Founder of Project Drawdown and Project Regeneration, he is the author of nine books — six of them New York Times bestsellers — including The Ecology of Commerce, Blessed Unrest, Drawdown, Regeneration, and his latest, Carbon: The Book of Life (Viking/Penguin, 2025). He has received six honorary doctorates and lives in the Cascade Creek watershed with his wife Jasmine — alongside coyotes, foxes, bobcats, ravens, red-tail hawks, and pileated woodpeckers. We Need to Act is a podcast about the people, ideas, and movements shaping a better now.