The Sauce NZ

Nourish Magazine and More Good Drinks

Join Tash McGill and Vicki Ravlich-Horan for spicy and sometimes sweet conversations around the kitchen table about all things food and beverage in Aotearoa New Zealand. Interviews, hot takes, food trends and irresistable libations from Vicki Ravlich-Horan, editor-in-chief of Nourish Magazine and Tash McGill of More Good Drinks. Together they run The Feed, the freshest bites on New Zealand food and beverage stories.

  1. Jul 8

    Why Your Chocolate Was So Expensive, For So Little Chocolate This World Chocolate Day

    This year more PR budget than ever has been spent on World Chocolate Day and perhaps for good reason. In this episode, Vicki and Tash, alongside Nick Brown from Cook & Nelson unpack the complexities of the chocolate industry, exploring how prices are set, the impact of supply chain exploitation, and what consumers can do to make informed choices. And why we don't. Discover how sustainability and fairness are shaping the future of chocolate. Main Topics: The rising cost of chocolate and the factors behind price increasesThe exploitation at the root of the cocoa industry, including child labor and deforestationHow premium chocolate brands like Tony's are addressing systemic issues and promoting ethical sourcingThe challenges of consumer education and how to navigate fair trade certificationsThe impact of consumer choices on systemic change and market dynamicsTimestamps: 00:00 - Introduction: The state of the chocolate industry and what influences prices 02:10 - The impact of cocoa price fluctuations and future price trends 04:15 - Shrinkflation and the decreasing amount of chocolate in bars 06:00 - Will quality and flavor change as prices rise? 07:15 - The fundamental issue of fair wages and exploitation in cocoa farming 09:00 - Tony's approach to ethical sourcing and transparency 12:00 - The role of big chocolate companies and how they can eliminate slavery 14:00 - How companies like Tony's invest in sustainable farming and community initiatives 16:00 - Navigating certifications like Fair Trade and greenwashing risks 17:40 - The importance of traceability and local production in New Zealand 19:00 - Consumer influence: balancing guilt, virtue, and affordability 21:00 - The influence of chocolate scorecards and transparency initiatives 22:20 - How consumer behavior is shifting and the role of online shopping 25:00 - The importance of flavor and quality over price in consumer choices 27:00 - The ongoing challenges of the cost of living and premium chocolate consumption 29:00 - The real cost of cheap chocolate and the exploitation behind it 32:00 - Reframing the value of high-quality, ethical chocolate Resources & Links: Tony's Chocolonely — Leaders in sustainable and slave-free chocolate sourcingFair Trade Certification — Ensuring fair wages and ethical labor practicesChocolate Scorecard NZ — Transparency ratings for brands in Aotearoa New ZealandFairChain Sourcing Model — Ethical supply chain practices promoting systemic change • The Cocoa Barometer — Reports on transparency and systemic issues in cocoa industry

  2. Jun 25

    Monty's NZ Pasta Revolution

    You know we love our pasta! And we thought we'd discovered the next big food hero when we found Monty's Pasta. Just a few weeks later he took out the Supreme Outstanding Food Producer award. So with Vicki, our resident Pasta Queen on the case - we delve into the story behind Monty's Pasta, a pioneering New Zealand-based pasta producer committed to local grains and innovative food practices. Discover the journey from farm to fork, the nuances of pasta production, and the vision for future food resilience in New Zealand. In this episode: The story of Monty's Pasta and its local grain sourcing from Wairarapa farmersHow modern pasta production integrates slow drying, bronze extrusion, and minimal processingThe impact of recent awards on Monty's brand visibility and salesThe unique shapes and flavors crafted for different culinary experiencesChallenges and opportunities in developing a premium, locally-made product in NZThe role of small gourmet food stores and their importance in food innovationInsights into grain diversity and export potential for New ZealandMonty's love of cooking, pasta traditions, and future plans for the businessTimestamps:00:01 - The exciting announcement of the Michelin Guide in New Zealand00:31 - The controversy and exclusivity surrounding the Michelin event01:02 - The impact of Michelin's recognition on NZ's food scene01:53 - Discussion on awards' authority and reputation of Michelin02:35 - Why New Zealand's lack of traditional pasta history opens doors for innovation03:29 - Monty's journey from winemaking to pasta production04:38 - The significance of locally grown wheat for Monty's pasta05:20 - Crafting quality pasta with traditional techniques06:44 - The importance of specialty food stores in supporting local producers07:14 - Monty's approach to pasta shapes and customer preferences08:29 - The process of slow drying pasta and maintaining freshness09:51 - Ensuring the perfect moisture content in dried pasta12:45 - Comparing Italian traditional drying with New Zealand methods14:44 - Choosing pasta shapes based on design and market appeal15:41 - The most popular shapes and customer preferences16:46 - The premium positioning and adventure of offering unique pasta shapes18:49 - Innovative thinking rooted in deep knowledge and tradition19:44 - Economical considerations and export opportunities with alternative production methods22:25 - The openness of New Zealand to culinary experimentation and tradition-breaking30:29 - Pricing, affordability, and the health value of high-quality pasta33:40 - Sustainability practices: eco-friendly packaging and waste reduction35:34 - The crucial role of small gourmet stores in product development37:07 - Monty's favourite pasta dish and culinary inspirations39:30 - The surprising success post-award and market validation of Monty's Pasta44:42 - Future growth, grain diversity, and exploring local grains for broader use46:35 - The importance of freshness and local sourcing in creating exceptional food products47:13 - Final thoughts and exciting prospects for New Zealand's pasta scene

  3. Jun 4

    The Sauce On Where Kiwis Learn To Cook Pt 2: The Home Economics Crisis

    In our quest to unpack where Kiwis learn to cook, Tash and Vicki uncover the massive changes facing Home Economics in schools - when all the research says learning the fundamental skill of cooking is essential for healthy outcomes. Adrienne Reeves, president of the Home Economics and Technology Teachers Association of New Zealand, exposes how recent curriculum shifts threaten to strip away essential food education, leaving students ill-prepared for real-life nutrition and meal preparation. In this eye-opening episode, Adrienne breaks down the complex landscape of New Zealand’s evolving food curriculum, revealing how decisions made at the policy level risk diluting an age-old subject that’s vital to personal health and societal well-being. This episode is a must-listen if you’re a parent, educator, policy-maker, or anyone invested in the health of future generations. Get the inside scoop on why authentic food literacy is more crucial than ever in shaping healthier, more confident adults. With the ongoing push for a knowledge-rich curriculum, Adrienne emphasises why we can't afford to lose the practical, essential skills that keep us nourished and thriving. Join us to understand how current reforms might undo decades of vital nutritional education—and what we can do to ensure that cooking, food safety, and nutrition remain at the heart of Kiwi classrooms. Because the future of our health depends on the meals we learn to make today.

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Join Tash McGill and Vicki Ravlich-Horan for spicy and sometimes sweet conversations around the kitchen table about all things food and beverage in Aotearoa New Zealand. Interviews, hot takes, food trends and irresistable libations from Vicki Ravlich-Horan, editor-in-chief of Nourish Magazine and Tash McGill of More Good Drinks. Together they run The Feed, the freshest bites on New Zealand food and beverage stories.

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