In this episode of the Astrotherapy Podcast, Ciela Wynter and Ally Bogard explore the themes of change, presence, and inner work. They share insights and stories of navigating the “edges” of their experiences, the challenges of being present, and the necessity of creating systems that support growth. The conversation moves into what the dissolution of the “need to know" can look like and the significance of establishing containers for exploration. They also touch on the importance of regulating the nervous system and setting boundaries. Ally Bogard on embodied practice, meditation and spiritual leadership with over twenty years experience working with individuals and groups. Co-Founder of The Twenty Six, teacher, mentor, facilitator, and author of The Quiet Teachers, Ally has taught global workshops, skill training, and offers one-to-one mentorship. Ally has cultivated a distinct voice and vision as a devoted student and practitioner. Ciela Wynter is an astrologer, inner work guide, artist, author, musician, and sound facilitator, enamored by the process of deep diving into the unknown oceans of vast uncharted waters within the psyche. Ciela researches the inner stars, planets, and galaxies for the clues to the profound mysteries and eternal “case studies” that call her attention. Ciela has always been a seeker and her journey has taken her around the world from skyscrapers to jungle floors to temples to danger zones. She loves the chapters of life and how we actually can make progress through knowing ourselves. Ciela has been in deep study of astrology for over 20 years. It has been a lifeline for mapping out her psyche and an invitation to explore it with fervor. She is self-taught, a student of the Faculty of Astrological Studies in London, and an avid reader and psychonaut of the transpersonal realms. Astrology is a language that helps Ciela to understand why she does the things she does and how to change herself from the inside out. Ciela is both in awe and in love with the utter mystery that is revealed in the language of the stars. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Connection 03:13 Exploring the Edge of Change 06:00 Navigating Presence and Control 08:57 The Annihilation of Knowing 11:51 Systems of Change and Relevance 15:00 Creating Containers for Exploration 17:49 The Balance of Trust and Change 20:50 Regulating the Nervous System 23:59 Boundaries and Personal Growth 31:44 The Importance of Boundaries 34:57 Navigating Personal Space and Service 37:42 Embracing Change and New Beginnings 39:47 The Process of Dissolving and Reconstructing Self 46:31 Everyday Practices for Inner Work 52:14 The Role of Nature in Healing 54:44 AI and Its Impact on Embodiment 01:02:30 Reflections on Life and Connection Astrotherapy, change, personal growth, presence, systems, boundaries, nervous system, trust, exploration, connection, boundaries, personal space, self-care, change, embodiment, healing, nature, AI, relationships, inner work