The Soul Care Podcast

Warren Lamb

Welcome to The Soul Care Podcast, where we talk about authentic biblical soul care, what it means, what it looks like, and the very real help that it offers.

  1. 2d ago

    Season 4, Episode 2: Grumbling or Groaning? Learning the Language of Lament - Christine Chappell

    Episode #2 Show Notes Host: Warren Lamb Guest: Christine Chappell   Summary In this episode of The Soul Care Podcast, Christine Chappell and Warren Lamb explore the themes of suffering, lament, and the Christian response to grief. They discuss the importance of understanding lament as a vital part of faith, the distinction between grumbling and groaning, and the framework of EVAC for navigating pain. Christine emphasizes the need to engage with God honestly, voice complaints, ask for help, and ultimately choose to trust in His goodness, even when faith feels fragile. The conversation highlights Jesus' role in our suffering and the complexity of lament as expressed in the Psalms. In this conversation, Warren and Christine explore the helpfulness of the Psalms in expressing sorrow and the necessity of quality soul care for those suffering. Christine shares practical insights on engaging with grief and the significance of lament in deepening one's relationship with God. The discussion highlights the balance between recognizing suffering and holding onto God's promises, ultimately encouraging listeners to find their voice in lament and trust in God's faithfulness.   Takeaways The concept of refuge is central to understanding suffering. Lament is a vital expression of faith during difficult times. Grumbling and groaning are distinct; lament is not sinful. Engaging God in prayer is the first step in lament. The Psalms provide language for our pain and sorrow. Lament helps us hold contradictory truths about suffering and faith. Jesus' suffering on the cross is the ultimate expression of God's love. We must be patient in waiting for God to reveal His goodness. Lament does not always lead to immediate relief; it's a process. Community support is essential in navigating grief and lament. Psalm 88 resonates with those experiencing deep pain. Lament can be a hopeful expression of faith. Prolonged grief does not mean one is condemned. Quality soul care involves listening and understanding. The goal of lament is not just relief but faithfulness. Grief can shape our worship and relationship with God. We can find purpose even in our affliction. Engaging God in prayer is essential during suffering. Lament allows us to voice our complaints to God. Thankfulness can coexist with sorrow.   Relevant Links "Listening to Lament" Counseling Card   Bibliography: Lament: Crying Out in Faith (P&R Publishing, 2026) Postpartum Depression: Hope for a Hard Season (New Growth Press, August 2024) Misericordia En La Oscuridad: Caminando Con Dios a Través de la Depresión En La Maternidad (P&R Publishing, 2024) Midnight Mercies: Walking with God Through Depression in Motherhood (P&R Publishing, 2023) Help! I’ve Been Diagnosed with a Mental Disorder (Shepherd Press, 2021) Help! My Teen is Depressed (Shepherd Press, 2020) Clean Home, Messy Heart: Promises of Renewal, Hope, and Change for Overwhelmed Moms (WestBow Press, 2016) Social Media: facebook.com/cleanhomemessheart twitter.com/chappellwrites instagram.com/christinemchappell   Hope + Help Podcast: christinemchappell.com/podcast   Navigating Depression On-Demand Video Workshops: christinemchappell.com/workshops   Other Links Truth in Love Biblical Counseling Warren’s Blog Warrenism of the Week: “Grumbling talks about God; groaning talks to God.”

  2. Oct 16

    Season 4, Episode 1 - Narcissism, Volume 2: Breaking the Cycle (Biblically)

    Episode #1 Show Notes Host: Jinda Reinig Guest: Warren Lamb   Summary In this episode of The Soul Care Podcast, Jinda and Warren delve into the complexities of narcissism through a biblical lens, particularly as they relate to healing and recovery from manipulation, while exploring his new book, “Narcissism Volume 2: Breaking the Cycle (Biblically)”. They discuss the importance of distinguishing between naming a wound and the healing process, the role of community in recovery, and the significance of understanding key terms such as 'fool,' 'avatar,' and 'empire.' Warren emphasizes the need for calibrated trust and the process of demanipulizing to rebuild one's identity after years of manipulation. The conversation also touches on the church's role in supporting individuals facing narcissistic relationships and the importance of genuine change versus temporary charm offensives. The discussion also underscores the importance of a holistic approach to trauma, emphasizing the need to view individuals as whole persons rather than defining them by their trauma. He explores the implications of trauma-informed care for the biblical counseling community, the dynamics of narcissistic relationships, and the responsibilities of those who have supported harmful behaviors. The conversation also addresses the importance of accountability in church leadership, the signs of manipulation, and the path to healing and transformation. Warren offers insights into raising resilient children and the role of truth in preventing manipulation.   Takeaways Understanding the heart behind actions is crucial in identifying narcissism. The fool's manipulation can lead to self-doubt and confusion. Community support is vital for healing from manipulation. Demanipulizing involves disentangling from a false world created by others. Genuine change is quiet and consistent, unlike a charm offensive. Forgiveness does not equal restoration; they are distinct processes. Separation can be necessary for safety and healing. Being trauma-wise means acknowledging trauma's effects without defining individuals by it. Post-trauma distress is a struggle, not a disorder. The body and mind are interconnected in healing. Healing means becoming a different version of oneself, not someone else. Church leadership must be accountable and teachable. Prevention involves building a foundation of truth.   Relevant Links Books Narcissism, Volume 2: Breaking the Cycle (Biblically) Narcissism, Volume 1: Unmasking the Avatar (Biblically)  Abuse, Abandonment, and Divorce: Confronting the Reality of Marital Abuse with Foundational Issues, Biblical Compassion, and Exegetical Objectivity (Steve Swartz) Behind the Veil: Exposing the Evil of Domestic Oppression and Providing Hope     Other Links Truth in Love Biblical Counseling Warren’s Blog   Warrenism of the Week: “Naming a wound and healing it are not the same.”

  3. 12/17/2025

    Season 3: Episode 11 - Gift, Not Problem: Breaking Free from Body Shame - Alisa Keeton

    Episode #11 Show Notes Host: Warren Lamb Guest Host: Connie Lamb Guest: Alisa Keeton   Summary In this episode of The Soul Care Podcast, Warren and special Guest Host Connie Lamb welcome Alisa Keeton, founder of Revelation Wellness, to discuss the transformative power of viewing our bodies as gifts rather than problems. Alisa shares her personal journey from a life entrenched in diet culture to one that embraces faith and wellness. The conversation delves into the harmful effects of body shame, the importance of community in healing, and the distinction between valuing our bodies for their abilities rather than vanity. Alisa emphasizes the need for compassion and curiosity in our relationship with our bodies, encouraging listeners to embrace their identity as God's creations.   Takeaways Alisa Keeton emphasizes that our bodies are gifts to be stewarded, not problems to be solved. The journey to wellness involves breaking free from toxic shame and diet culture. Community plays a crucial role in healing and self-acceptance. Curiosity about our bodies can lead to compassion and understanding. Fitness should focus on the ability of the body rather than vanity. The church has a responsibility to address body image issues and promote healthy perspectives. Perfect love from God casts out fear and shame associated with body image. Healing cannot occur in isolation; we need each other. Understanding the nervous system is one key to achieving wellness. Our identity in Christ is foundational to how we view our bodies.   Relevant Links Mentioned Resources The Body Revelation: Physical and Spiritual Practices to Metabolize Pain, Banish Shame, and Connect to God with Your Whole Self (Alisa Keeton) Revelation Wellness (Alisa Keeton’s website) Revelation Wellness (YouTube Channel) Healthy & Whole Podcast (Apple Podcast link, but found on most podcast platforms) Heir to the Crown: A Mind-Body Devotional for the Daughters of God (Alisa Keeton) What Do You Think of Me? Why Do I Care?: Answers to the Big Questions of Life (Ed Welch)   Other Links Truth in Love Biblical Counseling Warren’s Blog   Warrenism of the Week: “You can’t heal what you hate. Hatred closes the door to transformation and leaves us in a pool of toxic shame.”

  4. 12/10/2025

    Season 3: Episode 10 - Unpacking 'Happy Lies' with Melissa Daugherty

    Episode #10 Show Notes Hosts: Kimberly Willess, Warren Lamb Guest: Melissa Daugherty   Summary In this episode of The Soul Care Podcast, Kimberly and Warren talk with Melissa Dougherty, an author and apologist, about her book 'Happy Lies' and the New Thought movement. Melissa shares her spiritual journey from New Thought to Christianity, exploring how seductive New Thought beliefs can be and how they appear in modern Christianity. The conversation explores the meaning of suffering, the importance of surrender in the Gospel, and the false idea of human goodness. They also examine how consumerism affects spirituality and why true healing comes through Christ. Melissa mentions her future research plans, including a detailed examination of influential figures in the New Thought movement and their impact on Christianity.   Takeaways Melissa Dougherty's book 'Happy Lies' explores the New Thought movement. She shares her journey from New Thought to Christianity. New Thought beliefs are often mistaken for Christian teachings. The seductive nature of New Thought makes it difficult to identify. Suffering is viewed differently in New Thought compared to Christianity. The need for surrender to God's will is emphasized in the Gospel. Human goodness is an illusion in the context of sin. Consumerism influences modern spirituality and instant gratification. True healing comes through a relationship with Christ. Melissa plans to research influential figures in the New Thought movement.   Relevant Links Mentioned Resources Happy Lies: How a Movement You (Probably) Never Heard Of Shaped Our Self-Obsessed World (Melissa Daugherty) Melissa Daugherty YouTube Channel Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel (Kate Bowler) The Story of Reality: How the World Began, How It Ends, and Everything Important that Happens in Between (Greg Koukl) The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism, and the Road to Sexual Revolution (Carl R. Trueman) Biblical Counseling and Mental Disorder Diagnosis (Jenn Chen) Science Fictions: How Fraud, Bias, Negligence, and Hype Undermine the Search for Truth (Stewart Ritchie) Brainwashed: The Seductive Appeal of Mindless Neuroscience (Sally Satel and Scott O. Linienfeld) The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma (Michael Scheeringa)   Other Links Truth in Love Biblical Counseling Warren’s Blog   Warrenism of the Week: “Surrender isn't giving up; it's finally letting the right Person be in charge.”

  5. 12/03/2025

    Season 3: Episode 9 - Mental Health, Prayer, and God's Word - Pastor Trey Richardson

    Episode #9 Show Notes Host: Warren Lamb Guest: Pastor Trey Richardson   Summary In this episode of The Soul Care Podcast, Warren interviews Pastor Trey Richardson, who shares his journey in pastoral ministry, emphasizing the importance of trusting in the sufficiency of Scripture for biblical counseling and soul-care, especially for those with a serious mental health diagnosis. He discusses the challenges faced by individuals with mental health issues and how God's Word can bring healing and transformation. The conversation highlights the significance of community support, the power of prayer, and the role of family life in shaping one's ministry. Pastor Trey encourages ordinary believers and pastors alike to trust in the sufficiency of Scripture and to approach mental health care with confidence and compassion.   Takeaways God's Word is sufficient for healing and transformation. Prayer is a powerful tool in soul care. Church community support is essential for those with “mental health” struggles. Pastoral care ought to focus on applying Scripture to real-life situations. Family life often shapes one's approach to ministry and counseling. Confidence in God's Word can empower pastors to help others. Diagnosed mental illness does not limit God's ability to bring change. Ordinary believers can play a role in soul-care without formal training. Taking thoughts captive is crucial for those with mental health challenges. The journey of healing often requires patience and consistent care.   Relevant Links Mentioned Resources Christian Counseling & Education Fellowship (CCEF) Descriptions and Prescriptions: A Biblical Perspective on Psychiatric Diagnoses and Medications (Michael R. Emlet)   Other Links Unbound: Growing Ever-freer in Christ (Truth in Love curriculum) Truth in Love Biblical Counseling Warren’s Blog   Warrenism of the Week: “Transformation in Christ is a process, not an event. We didn’t get ‘messed up’ overnight, and we don’t experience healing and growth overnight. Neither do the people we help.”

  6. 11/26/2025

    Season 3:Episode 8 - Healing Through Conflict - Kelli Russell

    Episode #8 Show Notes Hosts: Kimberly Willess, Warren Lamb Guest: Kelli Russell   Summary In this episode of The Soul Care Podcast, Kimberly and Warren interview Kelli Russell, a leader in Christian conciliation and biblical counseling. They discuss Kelli's journey into this field, the importance of understanding trauma in conflict resolution, and the role of forgiveness in reconciliation. The conversation emphasizes the need for safety, building rapport, and training believers in biblical peacemaking. Kelli shares her vision for Grace Matters, the ministry she leads, and the impact of community education on conflict resolution.   Takeaways Kelli Russell is a leader in Christian conciliation and biblical counseling. Understanding trauma is crucial in conflict resolution. Building rapport takes time and is essential for effective reconciliation. Safety is paramount when dealing with abuse in reconciliation processes. Christian conciliation aims to restore relationships, not just resolve conflicts. Training believers in biblical peacemaking is vital for community health. Forgiveness does not mean enabling harmful behavior. Every reconciliation case is unique and requires a tailored approach. The goal of reconciliation is to achieve peace and understanding. Love and compassion are key components in resolving conflicts.   Relevant Links Mentioned Resources The Peacemaker: A Biblical Guide to Resolving Personal Conflict (Ken Sande) Help! I'm in a Conflict (Life-Line Mini-Book) (Ernie Baker) Grace Matters (Kelli’s ministry organization) RW360: Relational Wisdom 360 Institute for Christian Conciliation Ambassadors of Reconciliation Unbound: Growing Ever-freer in Christ (Truth in Love curriculum) Forgiveness: It May Not Work the Way You Think It Does (Warren Lamb)   Other Links Truth in Love Biblical Counseling Warren’s Blog   Warrenism of the Week: “Peacemaking is an ending of hostilities; pacifying is a pausing of hostilities.”

  7. 11/19/2025

    Season 3: Episode 7 - Biblically Navigating Abuse, Abandonment, and Divorce - Dr. Steve Swartz

    Episode #7 Show Notes Host: Warren Lamb Guest: Dr. Steve Swartz   Summary In this episode of The Soul Care Podcast, Warren is joined by Dr. Steve Swartz who presents his carefully researched biblical case that verbal/emotional abuse (reviling) can constitute abandonment under 1 Corinthians 7, potentially providing biblical grounds for divorce. Drawing from 25+ years of pastoral ministry and rigorous hermeneutical study, Dr. Swartz challenges the church to recognize that protecting the vulnerable takes precedence over preserving marriages at all costs. His work represents a significant development within Reformed theology, maintaining fidelity to Scripture while expanding the understanding of how God's Word addresses domestic oppression. This conversation challenges pastors, counselors, and church leaders to examine whether their theology truly protects the oppressed or inadvertently enables oppressors. Dr. Swartz's work represents courageous scholarship that maintains biblical authority while advocating for those trapped in covenant betrayal.   Takeaways Biblical fidelity doesn't require rigidity - Careful hermeneutics can expand our understanding without abandoning core principles The vulnerable matter more than institutions - Jesus came to set captives free, not preserve marriages at any cost Abuse is a gospel issue - Persistent, unrepentant abuse reveals an unregenerate heart Churches need reformation - Many inadvertently protect abusers while further traumatizing victims Courage is required - Confronting influential abusers may cost churches financially, but purifies them spiritually. Churches often commit "secondary abuse" by mishandling initial disclosures Women often fear disclosure because of widespread church failures in handling abuse Successful, influential men who are revilers often receive protection rather than discipline One hour of counseling barely scratches the surface - pastoral humility is essential   Relevant Links Dr. Swartz Resources Abuse, Abandonment, and Divorce: Confronting the Reality of Marital Abuse with Foundational Issues, Biblical Compassion, and Exegetical Objectivity (Steve Swartz) Shattered Shepherds: Finding Hope in the Midst of Ministry Disaster (Steve Swartz) Sermon Series “Steadfast in the Faith” (Listen in reverse order)   Other Books Mentioned Narcissism (Volume 1): Unmasking the Avatar (Biblically) (Warren Lamb) Behind the Veil: Exposing the Evil of Domestic Oppression and Providing Hope (Warren Lamb) Not Under Bondage: Biblical Divorce for Abuse, Adultery and Desertion (Barbra Roberts) Called to Be Holy: The Discipline of the Church (Jeremy Walker)   Other Links Truth in Love Biblical Counseling Warren’s Blog Unbound: Growing Ever-freer in Christ (Truth in Love curriculum)   Warrenism of the Week: “All abuse is evil; all abuse is destructive; NO abuse is permissible by God.”

  8. 11/12/2025

    Season 3: Episode 6 - Living With Chronic Pain - Connie Lamb

    Episode #6 Show Notes Host: Jinda Reinig Guest: Connie Lamb   Summary In this episode of The Soul Care Podcast, Jinda interviews her mom, Connie Lamb, as she shares her profound journey living with a degenerative disease (Charcot-Marie-Tooth) and chronic pain. She discusses the challenges of maintaining faith in the midst of suffering, the importance of understanding one's identity in Christ, and how understanding God's sovereignty plays a role in her life. Connie emphasizes the significance of community support, the impact of scripture, and the necessity of grieving the loss of life that has been lived. Her insights offer hope and encouragement to those facing similar struggles, reminding listeners that they are not alone in their pain.   Takeaways Connie shares her journey with Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease. Understanding one's identity in Christ is crucial during suffering. God's sovereignty means He is aware of our struggles. God’s sovereignty means He has a plan for our struggles. Scripture can provide strength and comfort in the battle with pain. Sowing and reaping is a continuous process in life. It's important to seek joy for strength in difficult times. Community support is vital for those with chronic illness. Labels do not define our identity in Christ. False theology can harm those suffering from illness. Grieving the loss of a former life is a necessary process.   Relevant Links Resources Mentioned Tactics, 10th Anniversary Edition: A Game Plan for Discussing Your Christian Convictions (Greg Koukl) Identity: Seeing Yourself Through God’s Eyes (Conrod Hilario) Unbound: Growing Ever-freer in Christ (Truth in Love) Shackles (Mary Mary)   Other Links Truth in Love Biblical Counseling Warren’s Blog   Warrenism of the Week: “Being content in our circumstances does not equal being content with our circumstances. Knowing that God has brought us through other circumstances and He will bring us through these helps us focus on God more than on our circumstances.”

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