Tanja Schindler was a competitive Latin dancer at twelve and the family member who set up every television, a split between creative and technical that would define her career. She trained as an electrical engineer, worked the shift from traditional lighting to LED at Osram, and got asked the question every futurist eventually hears, what comes next, before she had ever heard the word foresight. She taught herself scenario planning on spreadsheets, then left Germany to study under Peter Hayward and Joseph Voros at Swinburne's Foresight Institute in Australia, built on Richard Slaughter's original work. Her core reframe changed how I think about why so much foresight training fails to change behavior. You can teach someone the steps, the trend scans, the scenario decks, and they will still freeze at the edge of the dance floor because nobody taught them to feel the music, to hold uncertainty in the body rather than a spreadsheet. She describes an EU Commission workshop where fifty participants rebuilt five destroyed planets and pitched back a single message to ground control: please do not come; we do not want you to destroy what we built here. She walks through backcasting with her version of the futures triangle, stress-testing a preferred future against collapse and transformation scenarios, and names two weak signals worth watching, teenagers eating pudding with a fork under a bridge because they are starving for social space, and the rise of micro retirement, where young workers refuse to wait until sixty-five to actually live. If you have ever handed your team a framework, a beautifully built process, a set of steps, and then watched them stand at the edge of the floor unable to move, this hour is for you. ============================= This Week's Companion Issue Future Proof Issue 55: The Steps Are Not the Dance. This issue takes Tanja's distinction into the personal register: what it feels like to have every framework memorized and still freeze when the music changes. Read on Substack: https://befutureproof.substack.com/p/the-steps-are-not-the-dance Read on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/future-proof-7303526412311842816/ ============================= Chapters 0:00 Creativity Beyond AI 0:23 Welcome And Tanja's Origin Story 2:02 Dance Meets Engineering And Disruption 6:40 Discovering Strategic Foresight In Practice 10:50 Learning To Dance With Uncertainty 14:35 Stories That Reframe The Future 20:55 Building Hope And Shared Agency 26:20 Mindset Training And Leadership Lessons 31:40 Running Futures Workshops That Actually Work 37:10 Rebuilding Planets For Citizen Participation 43:30 Backcasting And Stress Testing Decisions 49:50 Weak Signals And New Life Patterns 52:10 Advice, Legacy, And Where To Find Her ============================= About Tanja Schindler Tanja Schindler is the Foresight Lead for Kaufland, bringing an interdisciplinary, philosophy-not-department approach to foresight. She started as an electrical engineer at Siemens and Osram before training under Peter Hayward and Joseph Voros at Swinburne's Foresight Institute in Australia, and later served as Vice Chair of the Association of Professional Futurists. A former competitive dancer, she teaches leaders to feel the rhythm of uncertainty instead of memorizing its steps. 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