In this episode of "Reality Check," Ross Coulthart sits down with Michael Gold, president of Redwire Space and a former member of NASA's UAP Independent Study Team, for a candid look at how the agency has handled the subject. Gold explains what the study team was actually asked to do, which was to weigh whether UAP was worth NASA's attention and what resources it could bring to bear, rather than to analyze the anomalous imagery already sitting in the agency's own archives. He is direct about the stigma that shadows the field, describing scientists warned they could lose their jobs, tenure and their ability to publish for simply asking the question, including a physicist and frequent guest of this show who lost his position after appearing on it. The conversation moves through the Apollo 17 triangle and the Apollo 11 blue lights, the Robertson Panel that helped set decades of ridicule in motion and the work Gold is now leading through the Disclosure Foundation to reopen NASA's archives alongside astronomer Beatriz Villarroel and physicist Maaneli Derakhshani. It closes where Gold argues where the real stakes sit, on national security, a race with China and his warning that whoever controls the Moon will eventually control the Earth. #NASA #coverup #UAP CREDITS: Host: Ross Coulthart Executive Producer: Andy Gipson Editorial Producer: Meagan Medick Segment Producer: Christine Jenkinson Associate Producer: Will Tomasi Research Producer: Rob Jones Editor: Kanyon Lyons On "Reality Check," NewsNation Special Correspondent Ross Coulthart takes a fact-based approach to tackle everything from unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) to mysteries often missing from the headlines. More Reality Check: https://www.newsnationnow.com/podcasts-newsnation/reality-check-with-ross-coulthart/ Email your questions to RealityCheck@NewsNationNow.com NewsNation is your source for fact-based, unbiased news for all Americans. More from NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/ Get our app: https://trib.al/TBXgYpp Find us on your screen: https://www.joinnn.com/ CHAPTERS: :00 Intro 2:06 Was NASA's Study Team Really Investigating UAP? 5:06 What the Panel Was Actually Asked to Do 6:32 From 'Aerial' to 'Anomalous,' and the Apollo 17 Triangle 8:30 The Stigma in Academia, and What It Cost Scientists Like Derakhshani 11:01 Three Recommendations, and the Foundation That Picked Them Up 14:32 Did the Apollo Astronauts See Something on the Moon? 17:06 Where to Start Without NASA's Keys, Isaacman and Monthly Moon Missions 18:40 Blurred and Missing, What NASA's Edited Images Might Hide 20:07 Beatriz Villarroel, and the Objects That Predate the First Satellite 22:35 Conspiracy or Screw-Up, and the ISS Feed That Went Dark 25:28 The Blue Lights of Apollo 11, and the Conclusion NASA Wouldn't Reach 27:58 The Robertson Panel, and the Campaign to Discredit UFOs 30:21 Why NASA Was Just Made an Intelligence Agency 31:24 Cattle Mutilations, Laser Burns, and the Reservation Where It Started 33:06 Ancient Rock Art, Mantid Beings, and Skinwalker Ranch 33:59 A Back Channel to the UAP Task Force, and Working Without All the Data 36:36 Karl Wolfe, and the Photo Retouchers NASA Never Answered 38:34 Chris Mellon, the NRO, and the Objects Entering and Leaving Orbit 39:27 Fresh From the Archives, and Who Decides What Gets Declassified 41:36 'A Lack of Imagination, Turning Into a Lack of Freedom' 42:55 France's UAP Report, the Artemis Accords, and a Permanent NASA Office 44:50 Transparency's Slippery Slope, and the Gang of Eight in the Dark 47:13 Does Mike Think Something Is Watching Us? 48:25 The Follow-Up NASA Never Did, and the Physics We Should Chase 50:20 Moon Landing Denial, and the Trust It Costs Everyone 53:23 The Lunar Gateway, Starship, and the Many Launches Needed to Refuel 57:00 Lue Elizondo, the Moon, and Why the Airbrushing Is Over 1:01:21 Why UAP Is a National Security Risk, and the Race With China 1:04:32 'Control the Moon, Control the Earth,'
