ADOPTION MATTERS: Real People, Real Life, Real Talk

Growing Intentional Families Together, LLC

Welcome to Adoption Matters, a podcast with real people sharing real stories and getting real about adoption from all three perspectives of the adoption triad. I'm Kim Noeth, one of your co-hosts, and a birth mother, along with Sharon Butler Obazee, an adoptee and Sally Ankerfelt, an adoptive parent. Together we explore difficult topics and share frank conversations. guided by our commitment to truth-telling and truth-seeking. In each episode we discuss important issues using adoption attuned principles to help us navigate even the most sensitive topics with grace and respect. Together, we model courageous communication, and help create a community where anxiety can be reduced, and mutual understanding prevails. Whether you are an adoptee, a birth or adoptive parent, or a member of the adoption constellation, we are excited to share our stories, insights and support. Thank you for joining, "ADOPTION MATTERS: Real People, Real Life, Real Talk"

  1. May 20 ·  Video

    Episode 28: Handling the Grief and Loss that Adoption Brings

    Join co-hosts, adoption coaches, and triad members Kim Noeth, a birth mom, Sally Ankerfelt, an adoptive parent, and Sharon Butler-Obazee, an adoptee as they continue to revisit some special guests over the last year. In each episode, your hosts are committed to looking at the adoption system from the perspective of the triad: from the adoptee, who is the center of the triad, from the birth parent, and from the adoptive parent. This episode is especially poignant with heartfelt, vulnerable sharing from hosts and their guests. It is not always easy to deal with the grief and loss that adoption brings ... so why is it important that we try? This episode focuses on an important adoption attunement element: Acknowledge the grief and loss of all adoption constellation members. Learn more about your ADOPTION MATTERS' hosts and their ICF-approved course, the Adoption Attuned Coaching Certification Program, at www.giftfamilyservices.com. Let's meet our featured special guests for this episode: Sharon Stein McNamara, Ed. D., L.P. has been been practicing as a psychologist since 1991 when she graduated from the Harvard Graduate School of Education and did her internship in cognitive behavioral psychology at McLean Hospital, affiliated with the Harvard Medical School. In addition to this, she is was adopted as an infant and have been studying the effects of adoption on families for over 20 years. Learn more about Sharon McNamara and her work here: www.sharonsteinmcnamara.com Marcie Keithley: Marcie is an author, advocate for genetic rights, speaker, master storyteller and co-founder of the National Association of Adoptees and Parents (NAAP). She retired as Vice President of Retail Bank Management and Merrill Lynch after serving the financial industry for over 32 years. She and her birth daughter, Jessica, were reunited on Father's Day in 2008. Marcie has written, The Shoebox Effect and Transforming Pain Into Fortitude and Purpose and currently is working on her next memoir, Beautifully Broken, Diary of an NPE, A DNA Surprise. Marcie is also the 2025 recipient of the Growing Intentional Families Together Shaping the Future Award. Learn more about Marcie and her work here: https://naapunited.org/about Linda R. Sexton: A pathfinder as one of three woman in her engineering class, she then became a pathfinder in the world of open adoption. She is a retired fortune 100 company executive and world business traveler, and after her 37-year career in the energy industry, has now turned to her greater passion of educating on the largely unknown subject of open adoption. Her book, The Branches We Cherish, An Open Adoption Memoir, has garnered the RPLA Unpublished Nonfiction Education GOLD Winner, RPLA Unpublished Book of the Year Second Runner-Up, and the Writers' League of Texas Top 5 General Nonfiction Finalist. Linda is a true champion of honesty and transparency for adoptees. Learn more about Linda R. Sexton here: https://www.lindarsexton.com/the-branches-we-cherish Elizabeth Barbour: Elizabeth is an adopted person living in reunion with her birth family and 11(!) siblings as well as an adoptive mom. She's the author of the best selling and award winning, "Sacred Celebrations: Designing Rituals to Navigate Life's Milestone Transitions" and "Smart Self-Care for Busy Women" and co-author of "Faces of Grief: Stories of Putting the Pieces Back Together." She's presently writing her next book about building thriving relationships in adoption reunion, something she knows a little something about! Learn more about Elizabeth Barbour and her work here: https://elizabethbarbour.com/

    35 min
  2. Apr 1

    Episode 27_ Love is Only a Beginning: Adoptive Parenting Differs from Biological Parenting!

    Join co-hosts, adoption coaches, and triad members Kim Noeth, a birth mom, Sally Ankerfelt, an adoptive parent, and Sharon Butler-Obazee, an adoptee as they continue to revisit some special guests over the last year. In each episode, your hosts are committed to looking at the adoption system from the perspective of the triad: from the adoptee, who is the center of the triad, from the birth parent, and from the adoptive parent. Learn more about your ADOPTION MATTERS' hosts and their ICF-approved course Adoption Attuned Coaching Certification Program at www.giftfamilyservices.com. Let's meet our featured special guests for this episode: Jean Kelly Widner: Jean's newest book, The Adoption Paradox: Putting Adoption Into Perspective, has won widespread acclaim. It gives voice to those often left out of the adoption conversation—birth parents, adoptees, and families shaped by the system. The Adoption Paradox is the result of years of personal interviews, research, and emotional courage. Jean is also the 2026 recipient of the Growing Intentional Families Together Shaping the Future Award. Learn more about Jean and her work here: https://adoptionparadox.com/ Isaac Etter: Isaac uses his story and deep passion for adoption and foster care education to bring relevant, quality, and diverse resources to the adoption community. He draws on his story of being adopted and growing up in a white world to curate deep conversations about race, identity, and adoption in America. With his unique insight, Isaac curates impactful discussions about race in America where everyone learns to value each other and their experiences. Isaac believes these conversations are crucial for child welfare professionals and adoptive and foster parents to nurture mutual understanding and grow happier, healthier families. Isaac is also the first recipient of the Growing Intentional Families Together Shaping the Future Award. Learn more about Isaac and his work here: https://isaacetter.com/ Marcie Keithley: Marcie is an author, advocate for genetic rights, speaker, master storyteller and co-founder of the National Association of Adoptees and Parents (NAAP). She retired as Vice President of Retail Bank Management and Merrill Lynch after serving the financial industry for over 32 years. She and her birth daughter, Jessica, were reunited on Father's Day in 2008. Marcie has written, The Shoebox Effect and Transforming Pain Into Fortitude and Purpose and currently is working on her next memoir, Beautifully Broken, Diary of an NPE, A DNA Surprise. Marcie is also the 2025 recipient of the Growing Intentional Families Together Shaping the Future Award. Learn more about Marcie and her work here: https://naapunited.org/about Anne Heffron: As an author, Anne is fearless, candid, and wildly authentic. In her nationally acclaimed memoir, You Don't Look Adopted, she reflects on her lived experiences as an adoptee. She connects with others through her own imperfections, and, through doing so, instills an empowering sense of community, possibility, and freedom in her readers. As an advocate – for members of the adoptee community and anyone seeking a sense of safety and self-esteem – Anne believes in caring, collaboration, and real conversations. She leads by example and seeks to inspire others to live a life that feels healthy, productive, generous, and true. Learn more about Anne and her work here: https://letsbreakthru.com/leaders/anne-heffron/ Dr. Patrice Martin: Dr. Martin is a same race adoptee. In her profession she works in grants management in the nonprofit and for-profit sectors. She has always known she was adopted and grew up with a loving family. Yet as life would have it, some twists and turns were embedded in her story as she learned that quite possibly she would never be able to find her biological family having been abandoned in a trash bin at birth. She now lives her full story with both sides of her family and is inspired to help others. She is does not shy away from the issues that adoption raises in adoptees' lives and works to help children and adults see their fullest potential despite challenges a non-ideal situation presents. Learn more about Patrice and her work here: https://adoptionunfiltered.com/podcast/dr-patrice-martin/

    40 min
  3. Episode 26 Celebrating Author, Jean Kelly Widner, Recipient of The 2026 Shaping the Future Award!

    Mar 18

    Episode 26 Celebrating Author, Jean Kelly Widner, Recipient of The 2026 Shaping the Future Award!

    Celebrating Author and Adopted Person, Jean Kelly Widner! Join your co-hosts and other members of the Growing Intentional Families Together coaching team as we honor Jean Kelly Widner as the recipient of the Growing Intentional Families Together 2026 Shaping the Future Award. We are thrilled to acknowledge Ms. Widner's work to expand communication, nurture understanding, and advance Adoption Attuned practices, policies, and education within adoptive families and the broader adoption community. She has made significant contributions to helping others understand how adoption impacts adoptees, birth parents, adoptive parents, and the entire adoption constellation. Her efforts bridge often siloed perspectives and helps constellation members better understand themselves and the needs of adopted persons. We also recognize and appreciate Jean's ongoing work with Adoption Knowledge Affiliates. Jean's newest book, The Adoption Paradox: Putting Adoption Into Perspective, has won widespread acclaim. It gives voice to those often left out of the adoption conversation—birth parents, adoptees, and families shaped by the system. The Adoption Paradox is the result of years of personal interviews, research, and emotional courage. Learn more about Jean and her work here: https://adoptionparadox.com/about-h/about-jean-kelly-widner/ From Jean's website: Jean Kelly Widner is the author of The Adoption Paradox: Putting Adoption into Perspective, a powerful exploration of the complex realities of adoption. Born in 1965 and adopted from birth in Washington State, Jean lives the paradox she writes about-experiencing both love and loss, belonging and separation. In her book, she shares stories from all sides of the adoption triad: adoptees, birth parents, and adoptive families, alongside insights from mental health experts. Jean brings clarity and compassion to a subject often wrapped in silence and misconception. With a background as a marketing consultant and joint venture affiliate marketing expert, she and her husband have built and sold two successful e-commerce companies. She also owns a local news and storytelling blog in Boulder City, Nevada, where her love of writing continues to grow. Jean lives in Southern Nevada with her husband and two dogs, and often escapes the desert heat in their camper van, where they work remotely and explore new places. Through her writing, she invites readers to see adoption not as a simple narrative of rescue or loss-but as a layered, human experience that deserves honesty, empathy, and ethical reflection. Jean Kelly Widner PO Box 61072 Boulder City, NV 89006 facebook@AdoptionParadox medium.com/@jean_36017  Learn more about Growing Intentional Families Together and its adoption coaches: www.giftfamilyservices.com

    28 min
  4. Episode 25 From the Dark Ages of Adoption to an Adoption Attuned Approach

    Feb 18

    Episode 25 From the Dark Ages of Adoption to an Adoption Attuned Approach

    Join co-hosts, adoption coaches, and triad members Kim Noeth, a birth mom, Sally Ankerfelt, an adoptive parent, and Sharon Butler-Obazee, an adoptee as they revisit informative interviews with a few very special guests over the last year. Asw always, your hosts are committed to looking at the adoption system from the perspective of the triad: from the adoptee, who is the center of the triad, from the birth parent, and from the adoptive parent. Learn more about your ADOPTION MATTERS' hosts and their ICF-approved course Adoption Attuned Coaching Certification Program at www.giftfamilyservices.com. Let's meet our featured special guests for this episode: Adopted person and author, Dr. Joyce Maguire Pavao, a warm, delightful guest with great insight into adoption from her own personal experience as well as many years of professional practice. Dr. Pavao shares today a little of her personal story, one that pushed her forward into advocacy for ethical adoption practices and better training for professionals to become adoption competent. *Learn more about Dr. Maguire Pavao: https://www.pavaoconsulting.com/about *Listen to her podcast: https://familytwistpodcast.com/joyce-maguire-pavao/ April Dinwoodie, advocate for adoption, foster care, and multiracial Families. Relinquished into foster care at birth and adopted by the age of two, Ms. Dinwoodie grew up navigating life as a Black/biracial woman in predominantly white spaces. Her personal journey—shaped by questions of identity, belonging, and family—has fueled her lifelong commitment to embracing empathy, inclusion, and understanding. *Learn more about April at Aprildinwoodie.com Sharon McNamara, adoptee and developmental psychologist, shares a bit of her own personal story that demonstrates that adoption may very well be the factor in an adoptee's emotional response to a given situation. For adoptive parents, Sharon's philosophy is one that promotes a practice of "unconditional positive regard" as an adoptee works through trauma, grief, loss, rejection, identity, and other issues. Learn more about Sharon McNamara and her work here: www.sharonsteinmcnamara.com *Learn more about your hosts, Adoption Coaches, Kim, Sally, and Sharon as well as other Growing team members at www.giftfamilyservices.com

    23 min
  5. An Interview with Special Guest Dr. Joyce Maguire Pavao, a pioneer in adoption understanding

    10/15/2025

    An Interview with Special Guest Dr. Joyce Maguire Pavao, a pioneer in adoption understanding

    Join co-hosts, adoption coaches, and triad members Kim Noeth, Sally Ankerfelt and Sharon Butler Obazee, as they welcome this month's special guest, adopted person and author, Dr. Joyce Maguire Pavao. A warm, delightful guest with great insight into adoption from her own personal experience as well as many years of professional practice. Dr. Pavao shares with her hosts her personal story, one that pushed her forward into advocacy for ethical adoption practices and better training for professionals to become adoption competent. From Dr. Pavao's website: "Dr. Maguire Pavao began her adoption journey 78 years ago when she was born and placed for adoption. Growing up in the secretive atmosphere of the 1940s and 50s, she developed a relentless curiosity about her origins, which later inspired her to pursue legal avenues to uncover her birth records—an unusual success story for the era. Transitioning from a potential medical career, Dr. Maguire Pavao chose to specialize in psychology at Harvard, focusing on adoption and foster care. She pioneered clinics that dealt exclusively with adoption-related issues, advocating for ethical practices and training professionals to be adoption-competent. Her clinics were unique for not being affiliated with adoption agencies, avoiding potential conflicts of interest. She has also been an influential advocate for changing adoption laws, particularly concerning access to original birth certificates. Her efforts contributed to policy changes that aim to improve the transparency and ethical handling of adoption processes." *Learn more about Dr. Maguire Pavao: https://www.pavaoconsulting.com/about *Listen to her podcast: https://familytwistpodcast.com/joyce-maguire-pavao/ *Learn more about your hosts at www.giftfamilyservices.com

    26 min

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Welcome to Adoption Matters, a podcast with real people sharing real stories and getting real about adoption from all three perspectives of the adoption triad. I'm Kim Noeth, one of your co-hosts, and a birth mother, along with Sharon Butler Obazee, an adoptee and Sally Ankerfelt, an adoptive parent. Together we explore difficult topics and share frank conversations. guided by our commitment to truth-telling and truth-seeking. In each episode we discuss important issues using adoption attuned principles to help us navigate even the most sensitive topics with grace and respect. Together, we model courageous communication, and help create a community where anxiety can be reduced, and mutual understanding prevails. Whether you are an adoptee, a birth or adoptive parent, or a member of the adoption constellation, we are excited to share our stories, insights and support. Thank you for joining, "ADOPTION MATTERS: Real People, Real Life, Real Talk"

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