The Brass Band Podcast

Kenny Crookston & Sarah Baumann

Welcome to The Brass Band Podcast, where your hosts from Brass Bands England, Kenny Crookston (CEO) and Sarah Baumann (COO), uncover the amazing and unusual stories that define the brass band world, from its origins and traditions to the modern innovations and fantastic music that have shaped this remarkable culture.  In each episode, Kenny and Sarah will be joined by special guests and wonderful brass band music provided by World of Brass. If you'd like to get in touch, you can send an email to info@bbe.org.uk or visit the Brass Bands England website at www.bbe.org.uk.

  1. Mar 12

    Young People, Big Ideas and the Future of Banding

    In the final episode of Series 2, Sarah Baumann is joined by guest host Deirdre (Dee) Waller-Box, Brass Bands England’s Youth Development Manager, for a conversation that gets right to the heart of brass banding’s future: what do young people actually want, and what needs to happen to help them stay involved? Together, they explore the often tricky 18-to-25 stage of life — when responsibilities and priorities change, instruments sometimes get left at home, university or work takes over, and banding can quietly slip away. But this episode is not about doom and gloom. It is about possibility. From youth leadership roles to adapting the way we communicate, the discussion looks at how bands and organisations can and should stop making assumptions and start listening. The episode features two brilliant voices from Brass Bands England’s Youth Voice Working Group: Daniel Hutchins and Ilya Ruchiev. Daniel brings the perspective of a composition student at the Royal College of Music and cornet player with GUS, while Ilya shares his route into banding — from a complete beginner in Warwick University’s training band to recently performing at the UniBrass contest and winning the Spirit of UniBrass award. Their stories are full of energy, honesty and ideas, from university banding and beginner pathways to festivals, work with schools, barriers to access, and making brass banding feel fun, visible and open to everyone. There is also a wider look at the practical work happening behind the scenes at Brass Bands England. Sarah and Dee reflect on youth internships, the value of including young people from the very start of a project, and the relaunch of the Brass Foundations offer, including Momentum Hub, Leader Lab, Enable Resources and the Future Leaders Programme. Add in Sarah’s own beginner banding journey, a celebration of community music-making, and a shout for more bands to think boldly about their next generation, and this episode is an uplifting, thoughtful and timely closer to the series. For more information, visit our website at https://www.bbe.org.uk and follow us on social media. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a 5-star review and share your favourite moments using the hashtag #BrassBandPodcast. Thanks to the National Lottery Heritage Fund, Arts Council England and Youth Music for their support. To hear any of the tracks played in this series in full, head to www.wobplay.com. Hosts: Sarah Baumann (COO, Brass Bands England) and Deirdre Waller-Box (Youth Development Manager at Brass Bands England, Musical Director of London Metropolitan Brass Community Band, Training Porgramme Lead at Amersham Band) Episode Guests: Daniel Hutchins (Composer, Royal College of Music and Cornet, The GUS Band)Ilya Ruchiev (Warwick University Brass Band)Music Featured (Courtesy of World of Brass):  Prismatic Light (Alan Fernie) Foden's Youth Band Podcast Producer: Peter Baumann

    Young People, Big Ideas and the Future of Banding
  2. 10/23/2025

    Are We Still Taking Risks? Gavin Higgins & Naomi Hill on Commissioning & Composing

    It’s time to take a deep dive into one of the most defining aspects of brass band culture — its music!  In this episode, Kenny & Sarah explore how commissioning and composition have shaped the sound of banding for over a century, from the historic Labour and Love in 1913 to today’s bold new works. The conversation traces how that commissioning culture built the very foundations of brass band repertoire, and why keeping it alive is vital for the future. Kenny recalls the golden era of the 1970s and 80s when every new contest brought another unforgettable work — Cloudcatcher Fells, Harmony Music, Contest Music — each pushing players and audiences alike. But are today’s contests and, of course, bands more generally, doing enough to commission new works that match that same spirit of adventure? We’ve got a fascinating conversation with decorated composer Gavin Higgins (winner of a Royal Philharmonic Society Award, Sky Arts Award, Critics Circle Award and two Ivor Novello Awards), whose acclaimed works such as So Spoke Albion and Destroy, Trample, as Swiftly as She have redefined modern brass band writing. Gavin speaks passionately about why brass bands must champion living composers, arguing that without new music, “we just become a museum”. He also reflects on his long-standing collaboration with Tredegar Band, his experiences at the Proms, and how the brass band world can and should open its doors wider to diverse voices and bold ideas, particularly those from outside the brass banding world. Sarah speaks with emerging composer Naomi Hill, whose thoughtful insights as both an educator and a writer highlight the challenges, but also the hopes, of young musicians breaking into the scene. Naomi discusses what inspired her to compose, the importance of normalising composition for young learners, and shares an idea about how we might make it easier for bands and composers to connect. For more information, visit our website at https://www.bbe.org.uk and follow us on social media. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a 5-star review and share your favourite moments using the hashtag #BrassBandPodcast. Thanks to the National Lottery Heritage Fund, Arts Council England and Youth Music for their support. To hear any of the tracks played in this series in full, head to www.wobplay.com. Hosts: Kenny Crookston & Sarah Baumann (CEO & COO, Brass Bands England) Episode Guests: Gavin Higgins (Composer)Naomi Hill (Composer & Educator, Conductor of Elland Starter Band)Music Featured (Courtesy of World of Brass):  So Spoke Albion (Gavin Higgins), Tredegar Town Band Podcast Producer: Peter Baumann

    Are We Still Taking Risks? Gavin Higgins & Naomi Hill on Commissioning & Composing
  3. 10/09/2025

    The Next Generation of Brass Band Leaders

    This special episode captures one of the standout sessions from the recent Brass Band Conference — The Next Generation of Brass Band Leaders. Hosted by Katrina Marzella-Wheeler at Redhills Durham Miners Hall, the panel brings together four remarkable young voices shaping the future of brass banding: composer Franklin Onyeso, content creator and writer Liv Richardson, fundraiser and band manager Gregor Spence, and conductor-composer Daniel Hall. Together, they tackle one of the most vital questions in banding — how can we empower the next generation of leaders to take the stage, the stand, and the strategy room with confidence? From age bias and mentorship to modernising contests and harnessing the power of social media, the conversation brims with honesty and insight. Back in the studio, hosts Sarah Baumann and Kenny Crookston reflect on the conference’s highlights — from Martin Green’s stirring keynote to the Flowers Band’s creative workshop — and pay tribute to the late Duncan Beckley MBE, a true pioneer of brass banding. And if all that’s not enough, we’ve got a MAJOR update on Sarah’s banding progress! This episode reminds that tradition and innovation aren’t opposites but partners in progress. We hope you find it an inspiring listen that celebrates the passion, talent, and determination shaping the next chapter of the brass band world. For more information, visit our website at https://www.bbe.org.uk and follow us on social media. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a 5-star review and share your favourite moments using the hashtag #BrassBandPodcast. Thanks to the National Lottery Heritage Fund, Arts Council England and Youth Music for their support. To hear any of the tracks played in this series in full, head to www.wobplay.com. Hosts: Kenny Crookston & Sarah Baumann (CEO & COO, Brass Bands England) Episode Guests: Katrina Marzella-Wheeler (Conductor)Franklin Onyeso (Composer, Conductor and Pianist)Liv Richardson (Content Creator, Writer at It’s Not A Trumpet, Digital Marketing Specialist & Brass Band Musician)Gregor Spence (Band Manager of The Flowers Band)Daniel Hall (Professional Composer, Arranger and Conductor)Podcast Producer: Peter Baumann

    The Next Generation of Brass Band Leaders
  4. 09/25/2025

    How is brass banding good for the brain?

    This time on The Brass Band Podcast, Sarah Baumann and Kenny Crookston are joined by a very special guest: Dr Anita Collins – a globally respected music educator, researcher and advocate. Known for her TED Talk What If Every Child Had Music Education From Birth?, Anita brings decades of expertise on how music-making transforms the brain. Brass banding is so much more than notes on a page. Sarah and Kenny reflect on their own music education journeys. From Kenny’s start in the 1970s to Sarah’s more ‘traditional’ route, both explore how learning an instrument shaped not only their musicianship but also their outlook on life. Together, they consider the intergenerational nature of brass bands – from children sitting beside seasoned players, to parents rediscovering music alongside their own kids – and the powerful sense of community this fosters. Anita then takes listeners deep into the science. She explains how playing an instrument physically reshapes the brain, boosting language skills, executive function, memory, resilience and social connection. From the way brass players’ heartbeats synchronise when breathing together, to the fascinating hidden link between music and surgical dexterity, this episode will change the way you think about practice and performance. The episode also tackles advocacy: how to persuade schools, parents and communities that music isn’t a luxury, but a necessity. Anita shares real-world stories of schools using music to improve academic results, and medical faculties urging future surgeons to pick up an instrument.  This one is packed full of essential tips and tools for musicians, students, teachers, parents and guardians alike! For more information, visit our website at https://www.bbe.org.uk and follow us on social media. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a 5-star review and share your favourite moments using the hashtag #BrassBandPodcast. Thanks to the National Lottery Heritage Fund, Arts Council England and Youth Music for their support. To hear any of the tracks played in this episode in full, head to www.wobplay.com. Hosts: Kenny Crookston & Sarah Baumann (CEO & COO, Brass Bands England) Episode Guests: Dr Anita CollinsSheila Allen (Brass Foundations Programme Manager)Music Featured (Courtesy of World of Brass):  A Gabrielli Fantasy (Bert Appermont), Brass Band Treize EtoilesPodcast Producer: Peter Baumann

    How is brass banding good for the brain?
  5. 09/11/2025

    A Brass Band for Everyone

    We’re back for Series Two! Kenny Crookston and Sarah Baumann are back in the studio after a whirlwind year that included a buzzing Brass Band Conference in London, a record-breaking Youth Champs in Hull, and, of course, a vibrant Youth Fest in North London. This series is all about The Next Generation — new voices, new music, and the future we can all build together. We’re also sharing clips from living composers throughout the series, thanks to our friends at World of Brass. Our guests for this episode are Richard Wilton and Craig Brown from Shepherd Brass Band in York — a standout example of how to grow an organisation that truly includes everyone. From a senior band with just 13 players 15 years ago to an ecosystem catering for over 200 musicians today, their story is full of practical graft and proper community spirit. We chat about youth pathways, adult learners finding their place, partnerships with local music services, and the little decisions that make a big difference. They also talk about the role of organisations like UniBrass, which give young people opportunities to organise and lead brass banding activities, the challenges of constant player changeover, and they share their secrets to success, the innovative ways they work, and their high hopes for a “fantastically brassy” future. There’s plenty on the changing culture of contesting too — costs, purpose, and what “success” looks like in 2025 — alongside a celebration of what Shepherd’s do so well: concerts that pack the room, projects with real social impact, and those crowd-pleasing film events (Wallace & Gromit and The Snowman). The Shepherd Youth Band’s recent win at the BBE Youth Champs gets a proud mention, as does their upcoming appearance at Youth Brass in Concert at The Glasshouse. We also set the scene for what’s coming up across BBE: our youth-led conference in Durham on 27 September — free tickets for under-23s and a travel bursary to help you get there — with a programme focused on the next generation of brass band leaders. And yes, Sarah has agreed to a forfeit if the cornet practice doesn’t happen… if that’s not an incentive to keep listening for the grand finale, we don’t know what is! For more information, visit our website at https://www.bbe.org.uk and follow us on social media. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a 5-star review and share your favourite moments using the hashtag #BrassBandPodcast. Thanks to the National Lottery Heritage Fund, Arts Council England and Youth Music for their support. To hear any of the tracks played in this episode in full, head to www.wobplay.com. Hosts: Kenny Crookston & Sarah Baumann (CEO & COO, Brass Bands England) Episode Guests: Richard Wilton and Craig Brown (Shepherd Brass Band) Music Featured (Courtesy of World of Brass):  Firefly (Simon Dobson), Foden’s Youth Band Podcast Producer: Peter Baumann

    A Brass Band for Everyone
  6. 09/26/2024

    Archive Edition: Women in Banding

    In this final episode of the series, hosts Sarah Baumann and Kenny Crookston explore the evolution of women’s roles in brass banding. With a focus on the challenges faced by women past and present, the groundbreaking moments, the inspiring personal stories, and the ongoing journey toward gender equality, this episode is packed with insightful discussions, historical context, and powerful interviews. Just a few decades ago, women were rare in competitive bands, and many top-tier ensembles simply didn’t allow women players. Today, things are slowly changing, but there is still a long way to go.  Amazingly, we’re still seeing firsts for women, despite it being 2024. Sarah catches up with Annie Crookston who, just a few weeks ago, became the first female adjudicator at the British Open (a contest that’s been running for 170 years!). Annie shares her journey and the significance of breaking into this male-dominated role. She opens up about the preparation and pressure involved, and what it means for the future of women in adjudicating roles. We also hear from PhD researchers Marrianne Garbutt and Sarah Crowe, who discuss their findings on women in brass banding across performance, conducting, and adjudication, and the everyday challenges of women in banding, historic and modern-day, and the societal barriers that kept women from participating. Composer Tracey McGuire talks about her work with Femmes Fortissimo and her composition, A New Anthem, inspired by the tragic events surrounding Sarah Everard’s murder. Tracey discusses the challenges women face in banding and the importance of creating supportive spaces, like that at Femmes Fortissimo, an all-female brass band in York. The episode also touches on significant cultural moments, such as the impact of Section 28. Jamie Fletcher delivers a powerful reflection on growing up as a queer, trans woman through that period, and highlights the importance of diversity and inclusion in banding and how bands can serve as a vehicle for change and representation. This final episode is both a celebration of progress and a reminder of the work still to be done — it’s a must-listen! For more information, visit our website at https://www.bbe.org.uk and follow us on social media. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a 5-star review and share your favourite moments using the hashtag #BrassBandPodcast. To explore the Brass Bands Archive, visit www.brassbandsarchive.com Thanks to the National Lottery Heritage Fund, Arts Council England and the Scottish Power Foundation for their support. To hear any of the tracks played in this episode in full, head to www.wobplay.com. Hosts: Kenny Crookston & Sarah Baumann (CEO & COO, Brass Bands England) Episode Guests: Annie Crookston (first female adjudicator at The British Open Brass Band Championship)Marrianne Garbutt (PhD Researcher, University of Salford)Sarah Crowe (PhD Researcher, University of Gloucestershire)Tracey McGuire (Composer and member of Femmes Fortissimo)Jamie Fletcher (Director, Kinky Toots)Music Featured (Courtesy of World of Brass):  Four Minute Mile (Judith Bingham), Black Dyke BandFling (Andrea Price), Andrea Price with Balck Dyke BandBeyond the Light (Liz Lane), Grimethorpe Colliery BandPodcast Producer: Peter Baumann

    Archive Edition: Women in Banding

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Welcome to The Brass Band Podcast, where your hosts from Brass Bands England, Kenny Crookston (CEO) and Sarah Baumann (COO), uncover the amazing and unusual stories that define the brass band world, from its origins and traditions to the modern innovations and fantastic music that have shaped this remarkable culture.  In each episode, Kenny and Sarah will be joined by special guests and wonderful brass band music provided by World of Brass. If you'd like to get in touch, you can send an email to info@bbe.org.uk or visit the Brass Bands England website at www.bbe.org.uk.