Justice Then, Justice Now

Tobias Roche, Evelyn Bozon Pappa

This podcast explores the American criminal justice system from all angles, including perspectives from: law enforcement, prosecution, inmates, fugitives and everything in between.

  1. 10/16/2024

    Ep 20: Robert Almonte - Policing Border Challenges and Combating Cartels

    This episode we welcome the esteemed Robert Almonte, a veteran with decades under his belt and a wealth of experience to share. From his beginnings at the El Paso Police Department to his impactful tenure as the U.S. Marshal for the Western District of Texas, Robert offers a riveting exploration of the highs and lows of a career dedicated to community safety. Prepare to be inspired by his journey from patrol officer to deputy chief, and eventually leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force, where his leadership made a profound difference. Dive into the intricate realities of policing in border towns like El Paso, where unique challenges shape the landscape. Robert provides a candid look at issues faced by officers due to proximity to the Mexican border, including the pressures of shift work and the complexities of undercover operations. He sheds light on the rise of gangs like the Tren de Aragua and their connections to Mexican cartels, emphasizing the urgent need for effective training to combat these threats. Through stories of both peril and progress, this episode unpacks the multifaceted nature of law enforcement. Join us as we also discuss Robert's reflections on the broader implications of drug trafficking, corruption, and the evolving gang landscape in America. From the influence of notorious figures like Pablo Escobar to the heroic story of Kiki Camarena, we explore the far-reaching impact of these elements on law enforcement. Stay tuned for insights into upcoming events like the International Summit for Mexican Cartels and Gangs, where experts are coming together to arm officers with the knowledge they need to face modern-day challenges. Produced by: Citrustream, LLC

    1h 13m

  2. 10/08/2024

    Ep 19: Leon Ives - Counterintelligence, Cartels, and Child Safety Insights

    Join us for a captivating conversation with Leon Ives, who brings an extraordinary wealth of experience from his days as a U.S. Army military policeman to his intricate work with U.S. Customs. Leon’s journey through the world of counterintelligence and international drug trafficking investigations offers a rare glimpse into the life of a law enforcement professional navigating the complex, often dangerous terrains of Miami and beyond. We promise that by listening, you’ll gain valuable insights into the realities of undercover operations, the challenges posed by international smuggling, and the relentless fight against financial crimes. Our discussion ventures into Leon’s compelling narrative about tackling major drug cartels, including a riveting case involving the Hell's Angels. Leon recounts the trials and triumphs of working with major agencies like the DEA and FBI in the high-stakes environment of Miami. He also shares eye-opening stories about corruption within law enforcement circles and the innovative strategies used to combat financial crimes. This episode doesn’t just highlight high-profile cases but also delves into the personal aspects of Leon’s career, including moves influenced by post-9/11 security expansions and the pursuit of retirement benefits. In the latter part of our session, Leon opens up about the pressing issue of missing children—a topic he passionately addresses in his book, "Vanished and Missing." He shares practical advice for parents on how to protect their families, emphasizing the importance of preparedness and regular training. The conversation extends to Leon’s personal experiences of international travel and his reflections on current border issues, providing listeners with a genuine and informed perspective. This episode promises to leave you with a deeper understanding of law enforcement challenges and practical strategies to ensure family safety. Produced by: Citrustream, LLC

    1h 2m

  3. 10/01/2024

    Ep 18: Billy Dekle - Navigating Danger and Redemption

    Billy Dekle, famously known as Gringo Billy, takes us on an exhilarating and heart-wrenching ride through his life, from a humble farm boy to an infamous drug smuggler and now an author. In this episode, Billy reveals his journey, recounting his early years in Union County, his passionate pursuit of flying, and the moral dilemmas he faced when he first encountered the world of airborne smuggling. He shares not only his thrilling adventures but also the dangerous reality of the trade, including run-ins with severe weather, mechanical failures, and tense moments of low visibility. Billy's captivating anecdotes transport us to the perilous 1970s, where he navigated the treacherous logistics of smuggling, encountered notorious figures like Fabio Ochoa and Carlos Lehder, and faced the inevitable law enforcement scrutiny. He doesn't shy away from discussing the complex legal battles that followed, detailing strategic maneuvers that led to reduced sentences and his eventual clemency release. His narrative also explores the emotional and ethical struggles of living as a fugitive and the personal toll of such a high-risk lifestyle. In a poignant conclusion, Billy opens up about family, the joys of grand-parenting, and his aspirations for the future. Sharing stories about his grandchildren and reflecting on the happiness they bring, he offers a glimpse into the more personal side of his life. Through continuous learning and storytelling, Billy finds a path to redemption, providing a powerful reminder of the resilience and strength it takes to rebuild one's life. Join us for a remarkable episode that blends thrilling escapades with heartfelt reflections, showcasing the man behind the moniker Gringo Billy. Produced by: Citrustream, LLC

    2h 1m

  4. 09/25/2024

    Ep 17 - Ken Cates: Border Skies and Smuggling Takedowns

    In this episode we learn how someone with aspirations of becoming a high school history teacher from Mesquite, Texas ended up chasing drug smugglers in the skies over the U.S.-Mexico border? Veteran federal agent Ken Cates shares his extraordinary journey from aspiring educator to DEA and ATF operative, revealing the twists of fate that led him to a distinguished career in law enforcement. Ken's compelling stories offer a ground-level look at the unique challenges of working the southwestern border, and how the Vietnam Veterans Readjustment Act program unexpectedly set him on this path. Ken pulls back the curtain on high-stakes undercover operations and the crucial role of informants in generating cases, and the infiltration of dangerous groups like the Aryan Nation. We delve into the camaraderie among agents, their collaboration with the LAPD Intel Unit, and the dramatic raids that defined a thrilling era of law enforcement. You'll hear firsthand accounts of innovative sting operations in South Central LA, punctuated by the wild nature of the job during those intense years. Join us as we recount the chaotic yet humorous start to the transition from the ATF to Customs, leading into the high-octane world of air smuggling operations. Listen to tales of chasing drug-smuggling aircraft with primitive yet effective methods and intense aerial pursuits that characterized customs enforcement along the border. From the spontaneous assignments to the adrenaline-pumping chases, this episode provides a vivid and captivating glimpse into the life of a federal agent patrolling the skies. Produced by: Citrustream, LLC

    1h 30m

  5. 09/17/2024

    Ep 16: Bob Starkman - From Narcotics Agent to Basketball Mentor

    Join us on Justice Then Justice Now as we bring you the captivating life of Robert Starkman. Bob takes us through his early career in a maximum-security prison, his dogged determination during the 1980s narcotics crisis, and his unforgettable encounters with notable figures like Joseph Pistone, a.k.a. Donnie Brasco. His stories aren’t just thrilling; they’re a testament to his ironclad commitment to integrity and safety in law enforcement. Bob’s journey to law enforcement in Florida is one for the books—starting with a fortuitous phone call that led to an unexpected opportunity. From his early assignments and surprising connections to iconic mentors and the adventures of undercover operations, Bob shares the highs and lows of his career. He recounts memorable experiences, like overcoming his aversion to boats, navigating Miami’s unique culture, and the profound influence of supervisors who shaped his path. Bob's reflections offer a rare glimpse into the camaraderie and challenges faced by law enforcement agents in the field. But there’s more to Bob than just his badge. Transforming his passion for basketball into a successful coaching career, Bob’s stories from the court are as compelling as his law enforcement tales. From playing in legendary New York courts to coaching youth in Florida, his dedication shines through. Hear how his coaching philosophy, deeply influenced by his law enforcement background, has made a lasting impact on his players. Whether it’s high-stakes operations or strategizing on the basketball court, Bob Starkman’s life lessons are sure to inspire and entertain. Produced by: Citrustream, LLC

    1h 10m

  6. 09/10/2024

    Ep 15: Mariel Colon - Defending the Notorious and Pursuing Musical Dreams

    In this episode, we sit down with Mariel Colon, a New York-based attorney who has represented clients like Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán and Jeffrey Epstein. Mariel opens up about her unique journey from aspiring to work in entertainment law to becoming a prominent figure in criminal defense, sharing the unexpected challenges and invaluable lessons learned along the way. Mariel recounts her first encounter with a high-profile client at MCC New York, where she found herself navigating the meeting solo due to an absent attorney. We dive into the emotional and strategic complexities of building trust with clients under intense scrutiny, and the legal hurdles faced when defending those with notorious reputations. Mariel's insights highlight the balance between professional rigor and personal empathy, offering a rare glimpse into the realities of high-stakes legal battles. But Mariel's ambitions don't stop at the courtroom. As she dreams of expanding her legal practice across states and making waves in the music industry, this episode also explores the personal side of her life, including her close-knit family dynamics and creative aspirations. From discussing the moral dilemmas in sentencing to the importance of humane treatment within the penal system, this conversation sheds light on the broader implications of justice and the power of empathy. Join us for an engaging discussion that bridges the worlds of law and music, revealing the nuanced challenges and triumphs of an extraordinary career. Produced by: Citrustream, LLC

    1 hr

  7. 09/03/2024

    Ep 14: Diane Matuszak - From Playboy Bunny to NYPD Detective

    Imagine starting your career as a Playboy Bunny only to find yourself years later as a detective in the NYPD. That's the incredible journey of our guest, Ms. Diane Matuszak. She shares with us her early days in Wisconsin, her unyielding love for New York City, and the pivotal moment that directed her towards a life in law enforcement. Diane’s recollections offer a vivid picture of the challenges and victories she faced, from joining the largest NYPD class in history to her initial assignments in Queens, and her ongoing dedication to justice in her current roles within the court system and as a private investigator. Celebrate the trailblazing women who turned the tides for future generations in law enforcement. We delve into the transformation from custodial roles to fully recognized police officers, highlighted by Diane’s personal experiences of overcoming gender bias, earning respect, and handling critical situations. This episode underscores the remarkable progress in gender equality within law enforcement and the relentless commitment to excellence, regardless of gender. Prepare for high-octane tales from Diane’s work in undercover narcotics operations and detective assignments. Experience the intense environment of Manhattan South's narcotics unit and the meticulous preparations for buy and bust operations. Diane recounts incredible moments, such as holding a drug dealer's baby while waiting for backup, and the psychological challenges posed by dealing with cunning criminals. Enjoy a blend of poignant and lighter anecdotes, revealing the complexities and unexpected twists of detective work. From daring operations to personal achievements, Diane’s stories highlight the importance of teamwork, adaptability, and the strong bonds formed among officers in the line of duty. Produced by: Citrustream, LLC

    1h 14m

  8. 08/27/2024

    Ep 13: Dave Gaddis - Battling Drug Cartels and Navigating Undercover Operations

    Curious about what it takes to bring down major drug cartels? Join us for an eye-opening conversation with Dave Gaddis, a retired DEA agent whose career spans some of the most intense eras and locations in narcotics enforcement. From his early days inspired by his Green Beret father, to overcoming vision-related hurdles that led him to the DEA, Dave's journey is a testament to resilience and dedication. We talk about his book, "The Noble Experiment," where he shares stories aimed at giving the public—and his own children—a glimpse into the gritty reality of federal law enforcement. Ever wondered how undercover operations really work? Dave Gaddis takes us through the complexities of managing informants and the invaluable street survival tactics he learned in Miami's volatile drug scene. Hear about the diverse backgrounds of DEA trainees, ranging from NYPD officers to former fast-food managers, and how their unique skills contributed to a united mission. Dave recounts his undercover assignments in Miami and Costa Rica, and the strategic relationships he formed with informants that were crucial for cracking major drug cases. As we tackle contemporary issues like the fentanyl crisis and cannabis regulation, Dave offers his expert insights on the critical need to halt the flow of dangerous drugs into the U.S. and debates whether the ATF or DEA should regulate cannabis. We also reflect on the evolution of drug enforcement policies and the enduring camaraderie among agents in this high-pressure field. Don't miss this episode packed with compelling stories and expert perspectives from a career dedicated to making our communities safer. Produced by: Citrustream, LLC

    1h 21m
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This podcast explores the American criminal justice system from all angles, including perspectives from: law enforcement, prosecution, inmates, fugitives and everything in between.

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    Tobias Roche, Evelyn Bozon Pappa
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