Heather Thomason and I have an increasingly strange number of things in common. We both started our careers doing marketing things—me in public relations and Heather as a graphic designer—before we made unlikely pivots into whole-animal butchery. We both eventually opened neighborhood butcher shops built around sourcing meat from small, local farms raising animals more responsibly. We both ran those businesses for exactly seven years. And we both eventually closed them. In the years since, we’ve each found ourselves trying to figure out what happens when something that wasn’t just your job, but also a significant part of your identity, suddenly ends. This content ain’t cheap. Enlightened Omnivore is a reader-supported publication. For a cup of coffee, become a paid subscriber to keep the articles, podcasts, and classes coming. Heather is an Enlightened Omnivore podcast veteran, and this visit is #4, a record. And that’s because she’s the perfect guest. She’s honest, interesting, doesn’t take herself too seriously, and lets me interrupt with my own stories on occasion. When we last spoke, she described herself as “wintering”—resisting the urge to immediately replace one ambitious project with another, and allowing herself to sit with not knowing what came next. Now that it’s fall, I wanted to know: What season are you in? “I did not have my spring and summer growth yet,” she told me. “So maybe I’m not going in order.” Maybe none of us are. What grows in the empty spaces? Heather closed her Philadelphia butcher shop, Primal Supply Meats, three years ago. Since then, she has deliberately tried to slow down. After years of believing that if she just worked hard enough she could solve problems, she realized she needed some space. Eventually, she got it—and picked up a paintbrush. Painting has become an increasingly important part of how she spends her time, and that’s because she’s good at it, and has made the effort. Which brings up a bunch of questions we try to wrestle with on the Podcast. What happens when you finally get the time and space you’ve been asking for? Does creativity automatically fill the vacuum? What makes someone an artist? And who gets to decide? Check out more of Heather’s work on her website. Who are you when you’re no longer what you did? A chat with Heather wouldn’t be complete without talking about food. How simple food can sometimes be the best choice for entertaining. Our new obsession with beans, cooking techniques, and several recipes to include more beans in your diet, and of course some extraordinary pancakes I got to enjoy thanks to her partner Brad, when they hosted us at their Poconos cabin this summer. But underneath our conversations about seasons, painting, pancakes and beans was a much bigger question. Heather and I both spent years being publicly identified by our butcher shops. People knew what we did. More importantly, we knew what we did. There is a certain comfort in being able to answer the question What do you do? with something tangible. I’m a butcher. I own a butcher shop. Closing the business changes that answer overnight. It doesn’t necessarily change the business owner quite as quickly. What happens to all of those experiences when you move on? Do you leave that identity behind? Carry it with you? Write about it? Turn it into something else? And at what point are you allowed to claim whatever comes next? That’s eventually how we arrived at the phrase that became the title of this episode: “Maybe I’m a forest and not a tree.” I’m not going to explain what Heather meant. You’ll have to listen. And when you’re done, I’d love to know: Are there parts of your own identity you’ve left behind—or are they still growing somewhere in the forest? Don’t forget to leave comments and questions at instagram.com/enlightened_omnivore. Links & Resources * Heather art portfolio * Boonville Barn Collective article on cooking dried beans * Foodocracy * Smitten Kitchen: Pizza Beans anyone? * The Great Bean Awakening — my guide to pressure-cooking dried beans * Brad’s go-to cornmeal pancake recipe Enlightened Omnivore is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. CookStack Collective October: Nicki Sizemore Each month, you can attend a LIVE cooking class with the CookStack Collective. Paid subscribers get access to some of the most talented people on Substack! CookStack brings together 12 amazing food writers (myself included) to teach you a dish or two LIVE. It’s like having your own personal chef teaching you how to cook some amazing dishes. Together, we’ve created a year-long series of live cooking classes that are all about cooking with and learning from one another. The October class is hosted by my good friend Nicki Sizemore! 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