Rob’s comments below are in italics.Derek’s comments below are in normal font. Editor’s note: the audio/video version contains two conversations held a day apart, but hopefully they flow together. Derek, you were just saying there’s a lot not being covered in the mainstream news. So what aren’t they telling us about? Right. Well, there are two main themes. One is the obvious thing: the conflicts in Ukraine and Iran, which have now boiled over into the conflict between Ansar Allah and Saudi Arabia. So there’s all that, but there’s also a great deal happening on the economic and trade front. This has been almost completely ignored. I can’t believe how little attention it’s had in the mainstream media, as far as I can tell. The last time we talked, we mentioned in passing that the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) had met. We’d also had the Eurasian Economic Forum meeting. We were about to have the BRICS annual forum, which was held in India this year. A number of commentators widely expected it to be a bit of a damp squib. There was a feeling that India’s hosting it was a problem, given its rather ambivalent position. One issue is its possible subservience to the United States. Another is its apparent tolerance, or even tacit support, of the Zionists in Israel. That clearly put India out on a limb. I haven’t got the actual membership at my fingertips, but it’s far wider than the original five. Those five gave rise to the acronym BRICS: Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. There are now five other full members as well. Iran is certainly one, and probably a very major one, for reasons I might allude to in a moment. So there are ten full members and ten associate members. There are also a great many other nations in the global south, or global majority, or whatever the polite term now is for what we used to call the third world. They’re actively watching this, broadly encouraging it and seeing how it goes. Despite people’s expectations, it was obviously an extremely popular and vibrant meeting. That applied not only to the official plenary sessions. As with any other international conference, what happens outside the main forum is at least as important. That means the bilateral meetings, the chats in the corridor and the meetings in the coffee lounge or the bar, according to taste. There were lots of those. There were candid pictures of the leaders, particularly of Russia, China, India and Iran. Conversations at the bar are where my deals get done. They all looked very chummy and cordial, chatting completely relaxed. Incidentally, I couldn’t help noticing a huge contrast in body language. To take probably one of the most controversial examples, look at Araghchi, the foreign minister of Iran, and Wang Yi, the foreign minister of China. They were having candid chats around the water cooler or the coffee table, or wherever it was. Their body language was plainly what I would call authentic and unforced. In my view, that contrasts with what we see every time the European “leaders” meet. Particularly when they meet Zelensky, they all give a frozen handshake while looking towards the camera. They embrace one another, but it doesn’t look like the kind of embrace I’d want to be held in. The BRICS meeting, by contrast, was plainly a lot more relaxed. These people are all clearly committed to what they say they’re committed to. That is a multipolar world of justice, prosperity and mutual benefit. More and more, the West is plainly on the way out. It had two hundred years of world dominance, between about 1750 and 1950. It’s still using the same techniques it always used, which are essentially brutality and military suppression. Suddenly, those no longer work, because the West is no longer dominant. I’ll say a bit more about that, but... If I can just add to that, I was telling you before the call that I’ve just started reading a book. It’s called Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War. It starts with the shenanigans the British Empire got up to in South Africa. I’ve been reading it thinking, my word, this is how we’re still trying to behave today. Only it’s not working any more. Yes. Well, that is exactly it. The most extreme example is Ansar Allah, the group disparagingly referred to as the Houthis. That’s the name of one of the tribes, admittedly a dominant one. However, it isn’t what they call themselves or how they want to be referred to. Anyway, these are literally sandal-wearing militia dressed in rags. Most are armed with nothing larger than an assault rifle. Even so, they’ve totally driven out the essentially mercenary army employed and equipped by the Saudi Arabians. They’ve taken control of five thousand square kilometres of the country. Yemen is another of these countries with a so-called official government. In reality, that government is a tiny minority bankrolled one way or another by the Western elites. They’ve been utterly defeated. They ran away in disarray, leaving behind a huge amount of state-of-the-art American military equipment, which Ansar Allah has now taken over. Anyway, getting back to the BRICS summit, the closing statement condemned unilateral and secondary sanctions. It declared them illegal and invalid under international law, which is absolutely true. We’ve got so used to countries declaring that they’ve decided to sanction certain nations. It’s mainly America, but also Britain, France and Germany. We’ve come to take it for granted that this is somehow legitimate. In fact, there is no basis for it in international law. The only exceptions are sanctions imposed by agreement of the United Nations Security Council. Most of the sanctions imposed on Russia or Iran haven’t had United Nations approval, so they’re not valid. The same goes for those imposed on just about everybody else in the world by America’s scattershot approach. It’s very interesting that the Chinese have just said no, we’re not going to comply. Not only that, they’ve passed a law... That’s the way to treat bullies, isn’t it? Yes, absolutely. So that was one of the statements made jointly at the close of the BRICS conference. The other was to reveal more details of the evolving international financial arrangements. They’re setting these up as an alternative to the SWIFT interbank system. SWIFT is obviously dominated by the Americans. It has been roundly abused over the last few years to victimise countries the United States’ elites disapprove of for one reason or another. Yes, that’s what Visa and Mastercard run on, isn’t it? It’s what all financial transfers between one country and another rely on, including Visa and Mastercard, yes. In a way, the alternative that BRICS is setting up is the opposite. It’s a decentralised, peer-to-peer system. It doesn’t involve a common currency. The little comment there has been in the Western media about the BRICS forum included the claim that they’d decided against a common currency. Well, they decided that two or three years ago. They debated the idea, looked at it and decided it wasn’t really practical. Personally, though, the arrangement they’ve adopted will eventually result in a global common currency in the long term. So I’ll say a bit about how it works at the moment. As I say, it’s a peer-to-peer system. So the idea is that if, say, Indonesia wants to... With a blockchain involved? Well, it certainly has some form of cryptographic signature, obviously. Whether that’s blockchain technology as such, I’m not sure. I don’t know how much of the technical specification has been revealed. I don’t even know how far along they are in finalising the details. Decentralisation is the key, though, isn’t it? These are all the good things we have with Bitcoin. It’s peer-to-peer and decentralised. There’s no issuing body. Yes, decentralisation is the key. I’m agnostic about the future role of Bitcoin, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it’s the principles that hold true... Those principles are what we need: people dealing with peo… This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit sovereignfinance.substack.com