The Branding Laboratory

Deevo Tindall

Are you a CEO, entrepreneur, or solopreneur with a drive to build a distinctive brand that resonates with your audience? Are you an industry influencer who understands the importance of authenticity and compelling storytelling in shaping your digital footprint? The Business Branding Laboratory is the podcast for you! Every episode of The Branding Laboratory offers a blend of theory and practice, making complex branding strategies accessible and actionable. We delve into the essence of innovative leadership—unpacking how successful leaders integrate their personal values with their professional objectives to create compelling, authentic brands. Our discussions center around the vital role of creativity in leadership and the transformative power of genuine human connections. Think you'd be a great guest on the show? Apply at https://thebrandstoryteller.com/podcast-applyhere/

  1. 2d ago

    How To Build a Personal Brand That Sets You Apart | Laura Bull

    There are thousands of people who do what you do, with the same skills and the same promises. Laura Bull, former Sony Music executive and author of From Individual to Empire, joins Deevo Tindall to break down what a personal brand actually is and why it is the thing that separates you when everything else is equal. If you have ever felt like you sound like everyone else in your industry, start here. What we explore Why personal branding works differently from product branding, and what that means for foundersFinding the "swoosh" inside a person, and why your red is different from my redShared values as the only real driver of brand loyalty and word of mouthThe trust deficit, AI-written content, and why so much of LinkedIn sounds the sameBrand pillars: the Venn diagram of image, narrative, and product that makes you recognizableMarketing is what you say for 20 days, branding is what you say for 20 years About Laura Bull Laura Bull is the founder and CEO of The Brand Management Co. and the author of From Individual to Empire: A Guide to Building an Authentic and Powerful Brand. She spent ten years at Sony Music Entertainment, where she became one of the company's youngest executives and led marketing and artist development. She holds a BBA from Belmont University's Mike Curb School of Music Business and a master's from SMU, where she also taught as an adjunct at the Temerlin Advertising Institute. Today she helps entrepreneurs, thought leaders, and public figures turn who they are into competitive, sustainable business brands. Guest Links (verified) Website: https://www.thebrandmgmt.comFree brand checklist: https://www.thebrandmgmt.com/brand-checklistBrand Equity Quiz: https://www.thebrandmgmt.com/quizFree chapter and the book: https://www.thebrandmgmt.com/the-bookFrom Individual to Empire on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1632992612LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurabullbranding/Instagram (Laura): https://www.instagram.com/thelaurabull/Instagram (company): https://www.instagram.com/thebrandmgmtco Resources mentioned From Individual to Empire by Laura BullThe Happiness Advantage by Shawn AchorGrit by Angela DuckworthRaving Fans by Ken Blanchard and Sheldon BowlesThe Hour Between Dog and Wolf by John Coates [CONFIRM this is the book Deevo meant]Hemingway Editor Chapters 00:00 Cold open 00:28 The thread: why a personal brand separates you 00:50 Meet Laura Bull 01:19 Personal branding versus product branding 03:01 Finding the swoosh inside a person 03:50 The perfume analogy 04:16 Identity work comes first 05:56 Your red is different from my red 06:37 Shared values create brand loyalty 09:11 Deevo's first pair of Jordans 11:44 Branding is about an emotional response 12:24 You are not for everybody 12:47 What a buyer is really asking 13:59 Social proof and followers 14:48 Marketing brain and branding brain 15:10 Go deep before you go wide 16:25 The level playing field 17:53 How many touches it takes now 19:04 Is know, like, trust dead? 20:20 The trust deficit and AI content 21:34 Why everyone on LinkedIn sounds the same 22:03 Laura's path from Belmont to Sony 24:06 Working at Sony while still in school 24:32 Leaving Sony: nobody knew marketing from branding 25:25 Marketing is 20 days, branding is 20 years 26:10 Writing the book at SMU 27:32 Would she do it all again? 28:27 Social media is marketing, how you show up is brand 29:40 The psychology of color 30:56 Your zone of genius meets your customer 31:42 No response is a response 32:08 AI, LinkedIn, and thought leadership 33:49 The Venn diagram: image, narrative, product 35:08 Brand pillars work as a group 37:19 Consistency is key 38:15 Brand pillars elevate, content pillars change 38:41 Talent is never enough 40:32 Superstars who turn down $10 million deals 41:48 There is no such thing as an it factor 42:38 Skill versus story 44:16 The market needs a reason to choose you 45:36 Where to start: introspection 46:13 Positive psychology and the What's Next sections 47:02 "If you think I want a sentence, I want a paragraph" 48:07 Your ego brain and your business brain 49:58 Identity work and shadow work 50:48 Running a SWOT analysis on yourself 51:43 From the face of a business to a real business 53:15 Get the first product right before you extend 53:59 Laura's three brand pillars 55:49 Deevo's pillars, and Laura's correction 57:17 The hide-the-name test 58:12 Where to find Laura 58:49 The business case for personal branding 1:00:37 Why you, why this, why now 1:01:19 Closing thoughts 1:01:41 Deevo's close: everyone else is already taken 1:03:17 Outro About The Branding Laboratory The Branding Laboratory is where founders and leaders bring the business, decision, or tension they are actually wrestling with and put it on the table. Deevo Tindall, Founder Business Architect and Strategic Advisor, follows the thread underneath the obvious problem to explore how identity, leadership, operations, positioning, relationships, and strategy shape what happens next.

    How To Build a Personal Brand That Sets You Apart | Laura Bull
  2. Oct 7

    Why Founders Hide Behind Their Resume Instead Of Their Story | Joey Himelfarb

    Most founders have 20 years of stories and still answer "what do you do" with a job title. Ghostwriter and author Joey Himelfarb joins Deevo Tindall to talk about the questions that pull a real story out of a career, and why so many leaders keep hiding behind their credentials. If you have ever felt like you have nothing worth sharing, this one is for you. What we explore Why "when you pass away, a library goes with you" changed how Joey listens to peopleThe three questions Joey asks every person: where were you, where are you, where are you goingThe teeth trick that keeps you quiet long enough to actually hear someoneHow a SWOT analysis on a person opens up the story they forgot they hadWhy so many accomplished people hide behind their resume, and the emotional risk of being seenWhere Joey draws the line on AI in his writing process About Joey Himelfarb Joey Himelfarb is an author, speaker, ghostwriter, and founder of Narrative Partners LLC. He calls himself a conversational challenger. Trained in physics and mechanical engineering, he built his career in sales, wrote a book to help job seekers sell themselves, and has spent 20 years presenting to people in career transition. Today he helps people turn the life they have lived into a story in their own voice. Guest Links LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/himelfarb/ (Joey: "I think I'm the only Joey on LinkedIn") Joey's book for job seekers: https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Paint-Your-Kitchen-Yourself-ebook/dp/B0B61YH2NJ?ref_=ast_author_dp&th=1&psc=1 Chapters 00:00 Cold open 00:43 Meet Joey Himelfarb 01:48 An unemployment networking group in 2003 03:53 When you pass away, a library goes with you 04:12 Where were you, where are you, where are you going 05:04 Be interested before you're interesting 06:41 Is curiosity a skill? 07:09 The topper problem 08:38 Why people struggle to listen 09:27 The teeth trick 09:42 Guardrails as a host 11:48 The signs he saw as a kid 13:07 To thine own self be true 14:59 Positive beats negative 17:50 The four D's of the news 19:26 What he loves most: the conversations 20:00 Imposter syndrome 21:22 Being the catalyst 22:57 We always choose how we respond 23:20 Joey in 20 seconds 24:33 Why are you writing, and who is it for? 25:41 Your story, my words, your voice 27:01 The IP belongs to the client 28:42 Where Joey stands on AI 31:41 What is worth turning into thought leadership 34:04 A SWOT analysis on a person 35:21 Deevo's keynote in Tampa 37:46 Hidden Figures and the stories we never hear 38:39 Why people hide behind their credentials 39:59 The emotional risk of being seen 40:39 Advice or a question? 41:38 Thomas Edison 43:25 Writing and self-awareness 45:01 The thread through past, present, and future 47:13 From engineer to salesperson to problem solver 48:58 For anyone who thinks they have nothing to share 51:52 Where to find Joey (and what his name means) 52:15 Deevo's close: a library of stories 54:35 Outro About The Branding Laboratory The Branding Laboratory is where founders and leaders bring the business, decision, or tension they are actually wrestling with and put it on the table. Deevo Tindall, Founder Business Architect and Strategic Advisor, follows the thread underneath the obvious problem to explore how identity, leadership, operations, positioning, relationships, and strategy shape what happens next.

    Why Founders Hide Behind Their Resume Instead Of Their Story | Joey Himelfarb
  3. Sep 23

    You Call It Fate: What’s Really Running Your Life? | Carl Jung, Identity & the Unconscious

    Carl Jung had a name for the strange period before a major life change: the constellation of the unconscious, when something inside you activates long before you understand what it means. In this solo monologue, Deevo breaks down a five-stage framework for recognizing that period, working through it without blowing up your life prematurely, and turning what you discover into an actual decision. If something in your business, your relationships, or your own motivation has quietly stopped working the way it used to, this episode gives you a real place to start looking. What this monologue explores: Why the explanations we default to, burnout, midlife crisis, loneliness, sometimes cover for something deeper actually happening.The first diagnostic question: what has started losing its charge, and what that thing was actually giving you.Finding the thread: why the same pattern often shows up across your business, relationships, and parenting at once.Why the version of you who built your current life might not be qualified to design the next one.Why rebuilding too quickly after a identity shift usually backfires, and what to do in the uncomfortable space instead.The four questions that turn awareness into an actual decision, rather than just insight you never act on. Chapters 00:00 A strange psychological thing before major change 00:24 Carl Jung’s constellation of the unconscious 00:47 The signs: losing interest, people feeling different, goalposts going empty 01:07 What we call it instead: laziness, confusion, burnout, midlife crisis 02:03 When it is actually your identity losing its grip 02:36 Why the business is rarely the first thing changing 03:24 The five-stage rubric, and why journaling matters 03:42 Stage one: what has started losing its charge 05:20 What the thing was actually giving you 05:34 Stage two: what have you become unable to ignore 06:49 Finding the thread: the common denominator across your life 08:33 Stage three: what version of you built the life you are living 08:57 Is that person still qualified to design the next chapter 09:49 Why identity is emotional, not intellectual 10:31 Stage four: do not rebuild too quickly 11:02 The intermediate state, and why it is valuable 11:44 What to actually pay attention to while you wait 12:29 Stage five: turning awareness into architecture 12:54 The four questions: what no longer belongs, what still belongs, what you are pretending not to know, what decision you are avoiding 15:00 What you would do differently if you trusted what you learned 15:30 The guy in the sauna who wasn’t doing anything 16:41 The warning: not every hard thing is destiny 17:14 Everything is data, including your feelings 17:52 Back to Jung: awareness is everything 19:03 Closing thoughts and the actual work About The Branding Laboratory The Branding Laboratory is where founders and leaders bring the business, decision, or tension they are actually wrestling with and put it on the table. Deevo Tindall, Founder Business Architect and Strategic Advisor, follows the thread underneath the obvious problem to explore how identity, leadership, operations, positioning, relationships, and strategy shape what happens next. Deevo Positioning: Founder Business Architect and Strategic Advisor

  4. Sep 16

    I Might Not Be The Best CEO For My Own Business

    Robert Manasier has spent decades building companies, launching products, and studying customers across more than 180 startups and 400 products and services. This conversation covers why growth and scale are not the same thing, why 90 to 93 percent of businesses fail for reasons that have nothing to do with the idea, and what it actually looks like to stay in your lane without trapping yourself inside of it. If your business has too many ideas, too many tools, or too much overhead right now, the diagnostic in the middle of this episode gives you a real place to start. What we explore: The massive early failure that changed how Robert has built every company since.Why outsourcing does not mean giving away your power, and how to actually vet who you bring in.The difference between growth and scale, and why confusing the two quietly wrecks businesses.The feasible, marketable, viable framework, and why viability is the piece that has not changed in decades.Why disconnection from reality, not a bad idea, is usually what actually kills a business.Deevo’s own admission that he might not be the best CEO for his own company, and what that actually means. Guest Bio Robert Manasier is a business builder and advisor who has spent decades launching products, building companies, and studying customer behavior. He has worked across more than 180 startups, hundreds of growth-stage companies, and more than 400 products and services, with a reported 100 percent retention rate across his portfolio companies. He is a first-generation American who started his first business, a property management and landscaping company, at age 13. Guest Links Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertmanasier/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCqb-0vszz1LZCftekScKuAA Chapters 00:00 The central question: how do you build around your zone of genius 00:31 Welcome and today’s thread 01:03 Introducing Robert Manasier 02:15 Why calling yourself an expert should worry you 03:18 Who Robert is as a man before the business talk 04:10 100 percent retention, and why relationships are the whole business 05:26 Starting a business at 13 to pay for college 07:25 The massive failure that changed everything 08:29 Is college still necessary 14:47 The thread of the show begins 15:44 What failing taught him about systems 19:02 Outsourcing does not mean giving away your power 20:41 Deevo’s own admission: am I the best CEO for my business 28:19 Secret shopping your own hires 31:14 Where to start when a business has too many ideas 31:50 The AI lead-gen trap: a thousand leads, twelve clients a week 40:33 Growth vs. scale, and why most people confuse them 44:41 Self-awareness as the single most important trait 49:11 What you do best, what you are weak at 51:27 The one thing that keeps businesses from surviving 54:32 The pizza parlor owner and real cash flow genius 54:50 Disconnection from reality, and the story of the yogi 01:00:26 Closing thoughts and the thread that keeps showing up 01:06:38 The symptoms of losing the thread 01:09:11 Simplicity as returning to the thread that connects everything 01:10:02 Closing reflections and where to find Robert About The Branding Laboratory The Branding Laboratory is where founders and leaders bring the business, decision, or tension they are actually wrestling with and put it on the table. Deevo Tindall, Founder Business Architect and Strategic Advisor, follows the thread underneath the obvious problem to explore how identity, leadership, operations, positioning, relationships, and strategy shape what happens next.

    I Might Not Be The Best CEO For My Own Business
  5. Sep 9

    Until You Make The Unconscious Conscious, It Will Direct Your Life

    Carl Jung believed you are considerably more than the person you consciously think you are, and Deevo has spent ten years exploring what that actually means. In this solo monologue, he breaks down identity coherence, the difference between control and agency, and why your shadow might contain your greatest strengths rather than just your worst impulses. If you have ever felt like transformation should feel more like progress and less like confusion, this episode explains why the confusion is often the actual sign that something is working. What this monologue explores: Why transformation never feels like transformation while you are actually inside of it.Identity coherence: what happens when who you believe you are, what you say matters to you, and how you actually behave begin to line up.The difference between control and agency, with concrete examples from business, relationships, and parenting.Why the shadow is not just the parts of you that are ugly, it also contains strength, boldness, and authority you may have exiled.Synchronicity, the red truck theory, and why your attention genuinely changes what you notice in the world.How all of this connects directly to the Thread Method, the framework Deevo actually uses with clients. Chapters 00:00 Welcome, and why this one is a monologue 00:45 What this show usually does, and why today is different 01:47 Ten years down the Carl Jung rabbit hole 02:34 Why transformation never feels like transformation while you are in it 03:43 Jung’s core proposition: you are more than who you think you are 05:00 Not interested in the manifestation version of this 06:21 Identity coherence, defined 06:43 The tests that reveal whether your identity actually holds 07:57 The brain as a prediction machine 09:05 The numinous, and holding both science and mystery as true 11:33 Alan Watts: you are something the universe is doing 12:12 A confession about control as a costume for fear 14:03 From control to agency 15:43 Complexes, and the Jung quote that changes everything 17:26 The shadow: not just what is ugly, also what is powerful 19:23 The cost of emotional suppression 20:45 Projection as a mirror and a doorway 22:26 Synchronicity, and the red truck theory 24:50 Unus mundus: the one world 26:19 The Thread Method, explained 26:45 The transcendent function: holding the tension instead of forcing a decision 30:42 Inflation, and an honest story from a week in Sedona 32:05 Individuation: building a self, then questioning it 34:14 A message to himself, and to anyone listening 39:35 The homework: pay attention, there is usually a thread About The Branding Laboratory The Branding Laboratory is where founders and leaders bring the business, decision, or tension they are actually wrestling with and put it on the table. Deevo Tindall, Founder Business Architect and Strategic Advisor, follows the thread underneath the obvious problem to explore how identity, leadership, operations, positioning, relationships, and strategy shape what happens next. Deevo Positioning: Founder Business Architect and Strategic Advisor

    Until You Make The Unconscious Conscious, It Will Direct Your Life
  6. Sep 8

    Everything Is Working And Something Still Feels Wrong | Danielle Mercurio

    Danielle Mercurio was told she was too much for most of her life, by the people closest to her, before she ever had the language to push back on it. This conversation covers what that actually did to her, the years she spent escaping herself instead of facing it, and how she eventually built a business on the exact instinct she was once told to suppress. If you have ever been handed a label by someone else and spent years living inside it, the second half of this episode names exactly how to stop. What we explore: 1: The zodiac scroll she took from a grocery store at four years old, and the sentence that shaped the next four decades. 2: What escapism actually looked like for her, and why understanding it builds compassion rather than judgment. 3: Why a business problem is almost never actually a business problem. 4: The coach who told her his own business model was to dangle a carrot, and why she told him he was in the wrong industry. 5: The business card found in a bathroom on a bad date, and the nonprofit it led her to help build. 6: The moment she finally understood what Deevo actually does, and why that understanding is what makes her recommend him to others. Guest Bio: Danielle Mercurio is an astrologer, intuitive advisor, spiritual guide, speaker, performer, and retreat leader based in Austin, Texas. A former Gabby Bernstein insider, she has worked as a certified life coach for more than a decade, helping entrepreneurs, creatives, and visionaries navigate the crossroads moments where life looks like it should be working but something still feels off. Chapters 00:00 The point of the show: that crossroads 00:19 Welcome, and introducing Danielle Mercurio 01:46 A 30,000 foot check-in 02:02 The zodiac scroll at four years old 06:49 Being told she was too much 09:14 The line between too much and too much for the wrong people 12:03 Society’s timeline and the mid-20s reckoning 13:07 The voice she heard 16:13 Escapism as a survival strategy 19:10 Childhood, parents, and being homeschooled 26:10 The pivot to meditation 28:31 Isness explained 29:48 A live heart meditation 32:21 The retreat and the guardian angels 36:22 From self-work to a real business 38:01 Who her ideal client actually is 40:28 Why it is almost never really a business problem 45:16 How she manages herself as a coach 48:54 The coach who called dangling the carrot his business model 51:13 Financial boundaries and reverse engineering her pricing 54:12 The business card in the bathroom 56:16 What she actually does, and why she loves it 59:12 The moment she finally understood what he does 01:00:39 Closing reflections 01:02:31 What Deevo actually does 01:04:33 Sign off Connect with Danielle Mercurio Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/daniellemercurio Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/ ⁨@DanielleMercurio⁩ Website: https://daniellemercurio.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielle-mercurio-%E2%9C%A8-61892237/ About The Branding Laboratory The Branding Laboratory is where founders and leaders bring the business, decision, or tension they are actually wrestling with and put it on the table. Deevo Tindall, Founder Business Architect and Strategic Advisor, follows the thread underneath the obvious problem to explore how identity, leadership, operations, positioning, relationships, and strategy shape what happens next. Deevo Positioning: Founder Business Architect and Strategic Advisor

    Everything Is Working And Something Still Feels Wrong | Danielle Mercurio
  7. Aug 12

    She Got Sober Right Before Covid and Built a Business Out of It

    Christina Kimbrough got sober on February 6th, 2020, weeks before the world shut down. What could have been a devastating coincidence turned into the best possible timing, and what started as a small meetup with a friend eventually grew into Free Life, Hampton Roads' first fully nonalcoholic mobile bar and a community built entirely around the idea that connection does not require a drink in your hand. In this conversation on The Brand Lab, Christina and Deevo go deep on what alcohol was actually doing for her before she quit, how military spouse culture shaped her drinking, why sober does not mean boring, and the much larger conversation underneath all of it: why an entire generation is lonelier than any generation studied before it, and what that has to do with digital convenience, the death of third spaces, and social skills nobody was ever taught to maintain. What You'll Learn: How military spouse culture and undiagnosed ADHD shaped Christina's relationship with alcohol, and what getting sober right before Covid actually looked like.How a casual meetup with one friend grew to 500 people in five months, and became a fully bootstrapped nonalcoholic mobile bar business.Why Christina's tagline, deep connections without alcohol, is really about community first and sobriety second.The concept of micro tears in the social fabric, and how Uber, DoorDash, and digital convenience have quietly eroded the muscle of relying on other people.Why sensitivity and the need to feel seen became the engine behind Christina's entire business, and how that shows up in her Staying in the Room workshop.The real difference between conscious listening and waiting for your turn to talk, and why most conversations fail before they even start. About Christina Kimbrough: Christina Kimbrough is the founder and CEO of Free Life, a social enterprise based in Hampton Roads, Virginia, reimagining how people gather through elevated, alcohol-free experiences. She is six years sober and openly shares her journey through addiction, mental health, and recovery to help break stigma and reduce isolation. She leads workshops including Storytelling That Sells and Staying in the Room, and has spoken at Brown University and Tidewater Community College. She is an active-duty military spouse based in Hampton Roads, Virginia. 🕐 TIMESTAMPS 00:00 — Cold open: how a small idea grew into something big 01:19 — Welcome to The Brand Lab 02:12 — Introducing Christina Kimbrough and Free Life 06:55 — The military spouse culture and how her drinking began 08:54 — Childhood, faith, and why alcohol was never present growing up 10:23 — What alcohol actually did for her: loneliness, undiagnosed ADHD, and trauma 12:03 — Getting sober February 6th, 2020, weeks before Covid 14:02 — We are all enough as we are: unpacking the core belief 16:06 — How Free Life started: a meetup that grew to 500 people 17:12 — The nonalcoholic mobile bar: from pitch competition to real business 20:04 — The stigma of loneliness, and why we are living in one of the loneliest periods on record 25:52 — The theory on women, the workforce, and the changing shape of the family 32:36 — The overconsumption of technology and the digital convenience economy 36:27 — Feeling unseen as a child, and how that became the engine behind Free Life 44:04 — Staying in the room: teaching people how to actually listen 48:53 — The membership debate: why Christina keeps some events free 50:39 — Closing thoughts and where to find Christina Connect with Christina Kimbrough: http://www.freelifellc.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinagraw/ http://www.instagram.com/ckimbrough1 About The Brand Lab: The Brand Lab is a thinking room for founders and leaders who are building something real. Our host Deevo explores the intersection of identity, positioning, and strategy with people who have already done the work and are still doing it. New episodes every week. Subscribe so you never miss a conversation worth having.

    She Got Sober Right Before Covid and Built a Business Out of It
  8. Aug 5

    Your Values Are Not What You Say. They Are What You Repeat.

    Bobby Humes spent ten years as an Army combat veteran, then went on to serve as Chief HR Officer for the City of Seattle, before founding BH Consultancy to help executives, senior leaders, and public sector teams build cultures where people can actually contribute. This conversation on The Brand Lab covers what misalignment looks like in a leader long before anyone names it, why executive presence is a commodity that lives in someone else's mind and not just your own, and the specific mechanics of turning aspirational values into behaviors that actually hold up under pressure. Bobby and Deevo trade metaphors for an hour, from double Dutch to roller coasters to Braveheart, but underneath the color is a genuinely rigorous framework for diagnosing bad leadership, confronting toxic political alliances inside organizations, and understanding why self-awareness without action is just a more sophisticated excuse. What You'll Learn: What a misaligned leader actually looks like, and why it so often goes undiagnosed until burnout is already underway.The double Dutch metaphor for leadership: knowing when to walk in front, when to walk behind, and how to read that tension in real time.Three patterns of bad leadership Bobby has witnessed directly: the pet peeve collector, the traffic light who bottlenecks every decision, and the leader who cannot make a hard call.How to translate aspirational values into measurable behaviors, performance targets, and actual resource allocation instead of a poster on a wall.Bobby's method for confronting toxic political alliances and misplaced people inside an organization, using inquiry instead of accusation.Why self-awareness without action is a crutch, and what a real kitchen cabinet of 5 to 7 truth-tellers actually looks like. About Bobby Humes: Bobby Humes is an executive coach, leadership strategist, and founder of BH Consultancy, based in Tacoma, Washington. He served ten years in the United States Army as a combat veteran before leading human resources at the organizational level, including a term as Chief HR Officer for the City of Seattle. He holds a master's degree in human resource management and an executive coaching certification from the Hudson Institute of Coaching. His upcoming book, The Table, explores trust-centered leadership and what it actually takes to build cultures where people can contribute and belong. 🕐 TIMESTAMPS 00:00 — Welcome to The Brand Lab and introducing episode 102 02:18 — Introducing Bobby Humes 03:52 — The public sector as a place of innovation, not red tape 06:24 — What a misaligned leader actually looks like 08:27 — From jerk sergeant to leading from behind: a learned behavior 09:43 — The double Dutch metaphor: when to lead from front, when from behind 12:07 — Leadership as a roller coaster 12:45 — Three patterns of bad leadership: pet peeves, traffic lights, and indecision 15:56 — Deevo's executive bathroom story 20:28 — Translating aspirational values into measurable culture 24:02 — Values are revealed by repetition, not intention 26:15 — Getting full culture buy-in: message it 77 times, 77 ways 28:01 — Confronting rogue operators and political dissidence inside organizations 32:19 — The DEI misconception, and the difference between DEI and affirmative action 36:25 — Toxic political alliances and the wrong people in the wrong positions 41:04 — The hug, heart, or hand model for delivering feedback 46:11 — Self-awareness as a crutch vs. self-awareness as action 46:54 — The kitchen cabinet: 5 to 7 people who tell you what you need to hear 48:05 — Never arrived vs. you are already here: the debate 51:07 — Closing thoughts and where to find Bobby Connect with Bobby Humes: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachbobby Website: https://www.bhconsultants.co/ About The Brand Lab: The Brand Lab is a thinking room for founders and leaders who are building something real. Host Deevo explores the intersection of identity, positioning, and strategy with people who have already done the work and are still doing it. New episodes every week. Subscribe so you never miss a conversation worth having.

    Your Values Are Not What You Say. They Are What You Repeat.
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Are you a CEO, entrepreneur, or solopreneur with a drive to build a distinctive brand that resonates with your audience? Are you an industry influencer who understands the importance of authenticity and compelling storytelling in shaping your digital footprint? The Business Branding Laboratory is the podcast for you! Every episode of The Branding Laboratory offers a blend of theory and practice, making complex branding strategies accessible and actionable. We delve into the essence of innovative leadership—unpacking how successful leaders integrate their personal values with their professional objectives to create compelling, authentic brands. Our discussions center around the vital role of creativity in leadership and the transformative power of genuine human connections. Think you'd be a great guest on the show? Apply at https://thebrandstoryteller.com/podcast-applyhere/