The Making Schools Work Podcast

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Join us each week as we talk to different SREB team members and educators across the country to find out the latest in school innovations. From classroom instruction to school leadership, we are going to examine what it is that makes schools work!

  1. The GPA Myth: Reframing Education as a Solution, Not a Problem

    5d ago

    The GPA Myth: Reframing Education as a Solution, Not a Problem

    Send us Fan Mail Student engagement is at an all-time low, while student anxiety and behavioral challenges are at an all-time high. How do we turn the tide? Mark Perna, a public speaker, best-selling author and founder of TFS Results, joins Daniel Rock and Chris Bailey to offer a game-changing framework: competitive advantage.  By moving beyond a singular focus on high academic grades, Perna outlines how schools can blend robust academics with technical competencies and professional life skills to get every student—from the 4.0 high-flyer to the struggling 1.5 student—fully locked into their learning journey. Key Takeaways The Three Pillars of Competitive Advantage: Discover the modern definition of a well-rounded education: robust academic knowledge, technical competencies and professional life skills working in perfect concert.The Solution vs. The Problem: Why straight-A students inherently view education as their solution, while lower-achieving students see it as their problem—and how to bridge that massive engagement gap.The 2.5 C-Student Paradigm: The eye-opening statistical reality of why close to 100% of major business leaders and CEOs would eagerly hire a 2.5 GPA student who possesses exceptional professional life skills over a high-achieving student without them.Overtly Teaching Professional Skills: SREB’s Chris Bailey shares insight from aerospace giant Boeing on why workers are never fired for a lack of hard technical skills, but rather for a lack of professional skills.The AI Tripwire in Workforce Funnels: A critical warning for business and school leaders regarding the fourth industrial revolution and how the blind elimination of entry-level jobs via AI is destroying the talent funnel.Skills-First Hiring: Navigating the rapid global shift away from degree-based hiring frameworks toward a skills-first employment ecosystem.Resources Mentioned Answering Why: Answering Why: Unleashing Passion, Purpose and Performance in Younger Generations by Mark Perna.The Perna Syndicate: Host of the global education and workforce development podcast.Mark Perna's Official Website: markcperna.com. The Southern Regional Education Board is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that works with states and schools to improve education at every level, from early childhood through doctoral education and the workforce.  Follow Us on Social: FacebookInstagramX

    48 min
  2. Neuroscience in the Classroom: How Aptitude Testing Creates Better Career Exploration

    May 19

    Neuroscience in the Classroom: How Aptitude Testing Creates Better Career Exploration

    Send us Fan Mail What are you actually wired to do? Betsy Wills, co-founder of YouScience and author of Your Hidden Genius, joins Daniel Rock and Jason Adair to disrupt the traditional follow your dreams model of career counseling. In this episode, Wills breaks down why self-reported personality tests fall short, how unused biological aptitudes drive adult burnout and how educators can use performance-based data to uncover the unique treasure chest of talent in every single student.  Key Takeaways Defining Aptitudes: Why aptitudes are objective, performance-based, unchanging biological traits rather than learned achievements or temporary interests. The Braided Rope Framework: Balancing personality, exposure-based interests and innate abilities to navigate a changing workforce. The Anatomy of Burnout: Why professional unrest is often caused by an unused aptitude and how avocations can restore career fulfillment. The "Slow Drip" vs. "Blender" Mind: Understanding how traits like idea rate dictate whether you belong in a courtroom, a creative studio or an operating room. The Danger of Mirror Tests: Why self-reported surveys like Myers-Briggs create a boomerang effect that fails to offer rigorous career direction. Democratizing Guidance: Shifting career exploration away from an expensive luxury to a standard tool accessible to all high school students. Resources Mentioned Your Hidden Genius: Your Hidden Genius: Leverage Your Natural Talents to Discover Your Career Pathway by Betsy Wills. YouScience Platform: Learn more at YouScience.com. The Southern Regional Education Board is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that works with states and schools to improve education at every level, from early childhood through doctoral education and the workforce.  Follow Us on Social: FacebookInstagramX

    43 min
  3. Stop Misdiagnosing Resistance: The 5 Catalyst Mindsets Every Instructional Coach Needs

    May 12

    Stop Misdiagnosing Resistance: The 5 Catalyst Mindsets Every Instructional Coach Needs

    Send us Fan Mail "Help me work with resistant teachers." It’s a major request for instructional coaches, but Becca Silver, founder of The Whole Educator, says it's often a misdiagnosis.  In this episode, Silver joins Daniel Rock and Jason Adair to explain why resistance isn't a personality trait—it's a human response to unmet needs. Discover how to move your staff past simple compliance and toward true ownership using the Catalyst Mindset framework.  Key Takeaways Reframe the Resistance: Why we should stop labeling teachers as resistant and start supporting teachers experiencing resistance. The 5 Catalyst Mindsets: A deep dive into the five unmet needs (Value, Belonging, Success, Growth and Ownership) that are actually at the root of pushback. Fidelity vs. Integrity: Why the language we use to describe initiatives can either build trust or signal a lack of it. The Levels of Engagement: How to move staff along the continuum from sabotage and defiance to agency and ownership. The Culture of Niceness Blocker: Why valuing harmony over authenticity is actually a silent progress blocker for your school. Resources Mentioned The Resistance Solution: Why Educators Resist and What They Need Instead by Becca Silver. The Whole Educator: thewholeeducator.com.  The Southern Regional Education Board is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that works with states and schools to improve education at every level, from early childhood through doctoral education and the workforce.  Follow Us on Social: FacebookInstagramX

    40 min
  4. The High-Growth Blueprint: 5 Years of Level 5 Excellence

    May 5

    The High-Growth Blueprint: 5 Years of Level 5 Excellence

    Send us Fan Mail Bethany Wilson, principal of the #1 ranked middle school in Wilson County, Tennessee, joins the podcast to share the secrets behind five consecutive years of Level 5 TVAAS growth. From opening a new school just months before COVID to being named Tennessee's Principal of the Year, Wilson discusses the shift from doing to leading and how intentional culture-building turns data from a boogeyman into a life-changing tool for students.  Key Takeaways Demystifying TVAAS: Understanding student growth as a statistical model for progress rather than a stressor for teachers. The AP Grind vs. Principal Leadership: Why leading a school requires building capacity and an attitude of "We Work" rather than "I Work."Actionable Data: How to simplify complex statistical models into actionable, color-coded spreadsheets that teachers can actually use. Collective Teacher Efficacy: Why the best PLCs are based on trust, vulnerability and a shared drive of lesson designs. Normalizing Failure: Creating a culture where risk-taking is encouraged and growth mindsets are applied to both students and staff. The Power of Success Criteria: A three-year journey to move beyond simple learning objectives to authentic, student-centered criteria. The Southern Regional Education Board is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that works with states and schools to improve education at every level, from early childhood through doctoral education and the workforce.  Follow Us on Social: FacebookInstagramX

    50 min
  5. The HOPE Protocol: Moving Professional Development From the Shelf to the Classroom

    Apr 28

    The HOPE Protocol: Moving Professional Development From the Shelf to the Classroom

    Send us Fan Mail Why do so many high-quality professional development units end up sitting on the shelf? Jason Adair and Debbie Robertson join the podcast to discuss the HOPE Protocol, a multimillion-dollar grant initiative designed to transform math instruction in North Carolina.  By flipping the traditional PD model on its head, the HOPE framework—Hear, Observe, Plan, Enact—ensures that teachers don't just learn about new strategies; they see them in action with their own students and plan for immediate implementation. While the grant was used for math PD, the same framework can be used for any subject. Key Takeaways The HOPE Framework: A breakdown of the four-stage cycle: Hearing the strategy, observing it in a live classroom, planning for implementation and enacting it right away.Breaking the Fourth Wall: How in-the-moment coaching allows professional developers to speak directly to observing teachers during a live lesson.The Power of the Graphic Organizer: Why giving observing teachers specific look-fors prevents them from focusing on trivial details and keeps the focus on student impact.Learning from "Train Wrecks": Why a model lesson that doesn't go as planned is often more valuable for identifying student gaps than a "perfect" performance.Removing Implementation Barriers: How the protocol eliminates the "that won't work with my kids" mindset by demonstrating success (and struggles) in the teachers' actual classrooms.Leadership’s Role: Why school administrators must be in the room to provide the space and support for these strategies to stick.Note on the Grant Discussion The contents of this podcast were developed under a grant from the U.S. Department of Education (Office of Elementary and Secondary Education, Award #S411C240164). The Department does not mandate or prescribe practices, models or other activities described or discussed in this podcast. The contents of this podcast may contain examples of, adaptations of and links to resources created and maintained by another public or private organization. The Department does not control or guarantee the accuracy, relevance, timeliness or completeness of this outside information. The content of this podcast does not necessarily represent the policy of the Department. This publication is not intended to represent the views or policy of, or be an endorsement of any views expressed or materials provided by, any Federal agency. The Southern Regional Education Board is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that works with states and schools to improve education at every level, from early childhood through doctoral education and the workforce.  Follow Us on Social: FacebookInstagramX

    43 min
  6. Underdog Leadership: Driving Growth in High-Need Schools With Natasha Brown

    Apr 21

    Underdog Leadership: Driving Growth in High-Need Schools With Natasha Brown

    Send us Fan Mail How does a school move from a low-performing list to the top 5% in the state for academic growth? Natasha Brown, principal of Westover Middle School and author of Underdog Leadership, joins Daniel Rock and Erin Anderson Williams to discuss the "Three S’s" of school improvement: stance, systems and support. From data-driven PLCs to boisterous student restorative practices, Brown shares how she built a culture where students and teachers alike take pride in their progress. Key Takeaways The Underdog Mentality: Why being the school nobody expects to win can be your greatest competitive advantage.Tuesday/Thursday PLCs: A specific system for separating "Data Days" from "Content Planning Days" to ensure intentional instruction.The "Three S's" Framework: Implementing a consistent focus on stance, systems and support to shift a school’s mindset.Distributed Leadership: Why empowering teacher leaders is the only way to avoid administrative burnout.The Writing Strategy: Using written statements as a tool for student voice and emotional regulation.Supporting the Whole Educator: Creative ways to treat staff like family, including an on-campus afterschool support system for teachers' children.Resource Mentioned Underdog Leadership: Driving Growth in High-Need Schools by Natasha Brown (Available on Amazon). The Southern Regional Education Board is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that works with states and schools to improve education at every level, from early childhood through doctoral education and the workforce.  Follow Us on Social: FacebookInstagramX

    49 min
  7. The Curse of Knowledge: Communication Science for School Leaders With Thomas Murray

    Apr 14

    The Curse of Knowledge: Communication Science for School Leaders With Thomas Murray

    Send us Fan Mail What do great leaders and great educators have in common? They are exceptional communicators. Thomas Murray, Director of Innovation for Future Ready Schools, joins Daniel Rock and Erin Anderson Williams to dive into the curse of knowledge, the speed of modern communication, and why the most important part of any message is how it’s understood—not just how it’s phrased. Key Takeaways The Stoplight Email: Why rapid-fire responses can shatter trust and how a simple apology can rebuild it.The Curse of Knowledge: The scientific reason why we often fail to communicate information we believe is common sense.Listening to Understand: Shifting from problem-solving mode to listening mode to build deeper connections with staff and families.The Knock-on-the-Door Test: A practical strategy for seeking feedback on sensitive communications before hitting send.Storyteller in Chief: How leveraging student voices can triple engagement and help schools own their own narrative.Resource Mentioned ThomasCMurray.com: For resources and tools to replicate these communication workshops with your own staff. The Southern Regional Education Board is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that works with states and schools to improve education at every level, from early childhood through doctoral education and the workforce.  Follow Us on Social: FacebookInstagramX

    41 min
  8. The Human Side of Career Readiness With Nicole Cobb

    Mar 31

    The Human Side of Career Readiness With Nicole Cobb

    Send us Fan Mail How do we ensure the skills students build in the classroom translate to the world of work? In this episode, Dr. Nicole Cobb, Professor of the Practice at Vanderbilt University and member of the Governor’s Council for CTE, joins Daniel Rock and Ashley Shaw to discuss the intersection of school climate and career readiness.  We move beyond "checking boxes" to explore how teachers can model the human skills—communication, initiative and problem-solving—that employers actually want. Key Takeaways Modeling Professionalism: Why it is essential for teachers to explicitly model body language, eye contact and tone of voice during lessons.The Power of the "So What?": Bridging the developmental gap by being transparent with students about why they are practicing teamwork or meeting deadlines.Practical Lesson Tweaks: How to shift from traditional five-paragraph essays to career-aligned formats like police reports or project summaries.Ethical AI Integration: Using AI for brainstorming and feedback without sacrificing critical thinking or falling for "fake" citations.Resource Mentioned World Economic Forum Future of Jobs Report: Highlighting that 39% of core worker skills are expected to change by 2030. The Southern Regional Education Board is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that works with states and schools to improve education at every level, from early childhood through doctoral education and the workforce.  Follow Us on Social: FacebookInstagramX

    42 min
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