If The Public Only Knew- Behind Every Success, a Story Worth Telling

Gary Sinderbrand
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If the Public Only Knew is a podcast that takes you beyond the headlines and surface-level success stories to uncover the real journeys behind today’s most influential CEOs, founders, and business leaders. Hosted by Gary Sinderbrand, a seasoned professional with decades of experience in the financial and business worlds, the show has evolved from its original focus on exposing behind-the-scenes truths about the financial community to a broader exploration of entrepreneurship, leadership, and growth. Each episode features in-depth conversations with trailblazers who candidly share their origin stories—the ideas that sparked their ventures, the challenges they faced early on, and the pivotal moments that defined their paths. Gary’s thoughtful and direct interview style invites guests to open up about the false starts, missteps, and tough decisions they’ve made along the way. Listeners get an unfiltered look at what it really takes to build a business, from navigating uncertainty to staying true to a vision even when the odds feel stacked against you. Through these conversations, Gary uncovers the lessons learned and insights gained from years of experience in the trenches. The stories go beyond glossy success narratives, instead highlighting the resilience, adaptability, and creativity required to overcome obstacles and build lasting impact. Whether it’s a founder sharing the humbling moment they almost gave up, a CEO explaining how they rallied their team after a major setback, or a leader revealing the personal values that drive their decisions, each episode is designed to inspire and educate. If the Public Only Knew is more than a business podcast; it’s a platform for authentic storytelling. The show offers listeners the opportunity to learn directly from people who have been through the highs and lows of building something meaningful. Entrepreneurs, aspiring leaders, and anyone interested in the human side of business will find actionable takeaways, fresh perspectives, and the reassurance that failure is often part of the process. Join Gary Sinderbrand each week as he digs into the untold stories behind success and explores the real journeys of those shaping industries and communities. If you’ve ever wondered what it’s truly like to start, grow, and lead a business, If the Public Only Knew will give you the insights you need—and the inspiration to keep going.

  1. 3d ago

    Dr. Oliver Degnan: Never Burn Out Again—Redefining Success, Stress, and the Future of Work

    What if burnout were a fixable “defect” in how you relate to your work and your future? Discover the science-backed framework that helped a high-powered tech executive walk away, rebuild, and design a life where burnout can’t take hold. In this episode, Gary and Dr. Oliver Degnan discuss: Redefining burnout beyond exhaustionEarly warning signs and personal story of executive burnoutRebuilding a career and life that makes burnout impossibleMachine learning vs. true AI and real-world applicationsUsing AI as a business fabric, not just a tool, to scale and reduce burnout Key Takeaways: Burnout isn’t about being tired; it’s about losing the belief that your future self can succeed within your current environment.Constant micro-stress and “firestorm culture,” where everything is urgent and high priority, silently push high performers onto the burnout spectrum.You can systematically repair your relationship with your environment and future outlook, treating burnout as a “defect” that can be fixed rather than a permanent condition.Aligning your work with purpose, autonomy, and the right structure can make it practically impossible to burn out, even in high-responsibility roles.AI becomes a true competitive advantage when treated as an organizational fabric that improves decision-making, scale, and client outcomes—not just as a writing or productivity gadget. "When we talk about business AI, I like to think of AI as like a fabric; it's the underlying fabric, a system of your business." — Dr. Oliver Degnan About Dr. Oliver Degnan: Oliver is a career executive leader passionate about technology innovation, entrepreneurship, and business strategy. He holds technology patents for breakthrough inventions cited by Fortune 100 companies, such as Apple, Google, and Intuit, in Silicon Valley. Over the past 20 years, Oliver has led more than 1,600 employees worldwide to disrupt the status quo in healthcare innovation to help prevent physician burnout and improve people's health. He founded several businesses in Germany and the United States with successful multi-million-dollar exits. Oliver coaches and mentors CIOs, CTOs, and startup CEOs worldwide to reach their fullest potential in their careers and lives. He draws from his work in the trenches of the C-Suite and his scientific research during his doctoral studies at the University of Wisconsin. Dr. Oliver Degnan published research articles on AI culture and innovation with Berkeley University and is the author of “NEVER BURNOUT AGAIN,” a self-help and corporate workshop that teaches readers how to boost their productivity to new heights without risking burnout. The book is based on Oliver’s own journey and experience climbing the corporate ladder from a software developer to Chief Information Officer and PE Venture CEO. Connect with Dr. Oliver Degnan:   Website: https://www.drdegnan.com/  To get in touch with Gary: Website: https://betterpathtraining.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gsinderbrand/ Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    Dr. Oliver Degnan: Never Burn Out Again—Redefining Success, Stress, and the Future of Work

  2. Jul 15

    Rhonda Frith-Lyons: The Sassy Entrepreneur Redefining Founders, CEOs, and AI

    Some founders build products; others build systems that outlast them. Hear how an engineer-turned-consultant uses pattern recognition, psychology, and bold truth-telling to rescue businesses from their own blind spots. In this episode, Gary and Rhonda Frith-Lyons discuss: Career evolution from engineering to consultingPattern recognition and systems thinking in businessConsulting and executive coaching philosophyFounder-to-CEO challenges and ego dynamicsAI, middle-market companies, and the vision behind Vantyx Partners Key Takeaways: The most powerful career advantage often comes from combining great technical skills with strong people, sales, and business development capabilities.Solving the right problem matters more than having the flashiest solution; pattern recognition and systems thinking help uncover the real issues beneath the surface.Effective advisors don’t just give answers—they ask provocative questions that help leaders confront blind spots and arrive at their own realizations.The traits that make a great founder rarely map directly to being an effective CEO, and ego can be a company’s biggest hidden risk if left unexamined.AI should be used to reimagine and repurpose human talent, not replace it; human discernment, nuance, and relationship skills remain central to long-term business success. "AI has some big implications. It can be a great thing if used properly and responsibly, like any piece of technology." — Rhonda Frith-Lyons About Rhonda Frith-Lyons: Rhonda Frith-Lyons is an architectural engineer turned “professional problem solver” for founders and middle-market companies. After cutting her teeth at Bank of America in technology, operations, and complex problem-solving, she built a consulting and executive coaching practice that blends systems thinking, organizational psychology, and bold, no-nonsense advice.  As founder of The Sassy Entrepreneur and co-founder of Vantyx Partners, she helps leaders move from scrappy founder to capable CEO, using AI as a strategic tool while keeping human judgment, culture, and execution at the center of every business transformation. Connect with Rhonda Frith-Lyons:   Website: https://www.thesassyentrepreneurllc.com  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rhondalfrithlyons  Blog: https://www.thesassyentrepreneurllc.com/leadershipbydegrees  To get in touch with Gary: Website: https://betterpathtraining.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gsinderbrand/ Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    Rhonda Frith-Lyons: The Sassy Entrepreneur Redefining Founders, CEOs, and AI

  3. Jul 8

    Derek Sloan: Leading with Curiosity in Trauma and Organizational Change

    What if the key to better mental health and better managers was the same skill: deep, disciplined curiosity? This conversation digs into that connection. In this episode, Gary and Derek Sloan discuss: Childhood instability and the birth of deep curiosityEarly leadership, open letters, and external affirmationCollege, internships, and an unconventional path into the helping professionsBridging trauma therapy and organizational consultingBody-first approaches to trauma, regulation, and healing Key Takeaways: A habit of asking questions in response to change can evolve from simple curiosity into a powerful tool for serving and connecting with others.External affirmation from trusted authority figures can become a crucial validator that nudges people further into their natural strengths and callings.Deep impact often begins with listening well; being present with others in hard seasons does not require having all the answers.Workplace dynamics and leadership behavior have a profound effect on mental well-being, sometimes rivaling or exceeding the influence of therapists and doctors.Sustainable trauma work usually starts with regulating the body first and only then moving into cognitive processing, because an unregulated nervous system limits access to higher-level thinking. "Trauma by nature shows up in the body, stress, fear, anxiety." — Derek Sloan About Derek Sloan: Derek Sloan is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor, Certified Clinical Trauma Professional, and executive coach with over 20 years of experience working with leaders across industries. He is the host of the Mental Stillness Podcast. What sets Derek apart isn't just what he knows - it's what he's lived. He has built and sold businesses, coached C-suite executives, and worked with teams under genuine pressure. His proprietary frameworks - the Device States Model™, PACE Reboot™, CARE Model™, and Resilience Playbook™ - are grounded in neuroscience and immediately applicable. He is the author of Pressurized: A Field Guide to Leading Well Under Pressure. Connect with Derek Sloan:   LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/derekbsloan  Website: https://www.abridgeleadership.com/  Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-stillness/id1717076433  Book: https://www.abridgeleadership.com/bookorders  To get in touch with Gary: Website: https://betterpathtraining.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gsinderbrand/ Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    Derek Sloan: Leading with Curiosity in Trauma and Organizational Change

  4. Jul 1

    Noa Ronen: From Command-and-Control to Peer-to-Peer Leadership

    In a world obsessed with frameworks and slide decks, this conversation dives into what actually transforms people at work: real stories, real peers, and real change. From the Israeli Navy to tech and healthcare, this episode uncovers how peer-to-peer leadership outperforms traditional training—and why the human side of change can’t be outsourced. In this episode, Gary and Noa Ronen discuss: Early leadership lessons in the Israeli NavyNavigating relocation, identity, and grief in major life changesThe rise of coaching and human-centered leadershipPeer-to-peer learning vs. traditional corporate trainingBuilding self-coached, high-trust teams in tech and healthcare Key Takeaways: Deep, lasting learning happens when people teach and coach each other through real work, not when they passively consume theory in a classroom.Every major change, even a “positive” one like a promotion, relocation, or becoming a parent, carries a form of grief and identity loss that leaders must recognize.Leaders who step out of the spotlight and into a facilitator role create more ownership, more trust, and stronger cultures than traditional top-down trainers.Peer-to-peer systems naturally build essential skills—listening, questioning, feedback—without labeling them as “skills training,” making the learning stickier and more authentic.The goal of effective organizational coaching is to design environments and practices that allow teams to eventually self-coach, reducing dependence on external experts over time. "I believe that training is the dead horse, and we need a different way to develop and grow people." — Noa Ronen About Noa Ronen: Noa is a Master Certified Executive, Team, and Group Coach.  She has over 20 years of experience in Change Management, Human Resources, Leadership Development, Talent Development, and Coaching. Noa’s personal relocation experience shaped her perspective on what it means to be different and her passion for creating bridges between people and staying in a landscape of curiosity. She partners with fast-growing teams, companies, communities, and beyond to build peer-based systems that strengthen collaboration, trust, and alignment—at scale. She’s the author of Beyond Leadership: From AwareLess to AwareNess. In her personal time, Noa keeps meaningful connections by sipping a good cup of coffee at one of the locally owned coffee shops while writing or ideating, or going for a walk-and-talk with friends/family. Connect with Noa Ronen:   LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noarcoach/  Website: https://coachingconnection-on.com/  Book: https://www.amazon.com/BEyond-Leadership-AwareLess-AwareNess-Leader/dp/0578640732/  To get in touch with Gary: Website: https://betterpathtraining.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gsinderbrand/ Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    Noa Ronen: From Command-and-Control to Peer-to-Peer Leadership

  5. Jun 24

    Mitchell Levy: Building Parallel Six-Figure Businesses with Credibility and Clarity

    A seasoned entrepreneur who’s watched multiple six‑figure businesses go to zero—twice—shares how credibility, clarity, and servant leadership became his blueprint for rebuilding. This conversation tracks the journey from dot‑com busts and publishing shakeups to a new operating system for CEOs leading into the future. In this episode, Gary and Mitchell Levy discuss: Career journey from Boston finance to Silicon Valley and Sun MicrosystemsDot‑com boom, dot‑bomb, and pivoting into CEO networkingLaunching and scaling a hybrid publishing company, then surviving COVID and AmazonRedefining credibility and creating the Credibility Nation and Executive Abundance frameworksEthical LinkedIn outreach, servant leadership, and integrity in business relationships Key Takeaways: When markets shift, and a business collapses, it doesn’t mean you’ve failed; it often means the world changed, not your worth.Running several smaller, parallel six‑figure ventures can create resilience and optionality compared to betting everything on a single play.Real credibility lives at the intersection of being trusted, known, and liked, and it shows up as servant leadership, integrity, and respect.Clarity of purpose, expressed in fewer than ten words, becomes a powerful filter for strategy, messaging, and who you choose to serve.Sustainable leadership means creating abundance for all key stakeholders—self and family, employees, customers, investors, and community—not just shareholders. "Credibility is the quality in which you're trusted, known, and liked." — Mitchell Levy About Mitchell Levy: Mitchell Levy is a parallel entrepreneur, executive coach, and credibility expert who has built more than 20 businesses and written 65+ books, including Credibility Nation. After early roles in finance and systems work in Boston, he moved to Silicon Valley, spending nine years at Sun Microsystems during the commercialization of the internet before launching multiple six‑figure ventures in e‑commerce, executive education, CEO networking, and hybrid book publishing. Twice, market shocks wiped out thriving businesses—the dot‑com bust and later the one‑two punch of COVID and Amazon on publishing—cementing his philosophy of building multiple income streams and never confusing self‑worth with a balance sheet. His deep dive into what makes leaders truly believable led him to interview 500 thought leaders on credibility, define credibility as being “trusted, known, and liked,” and codify a set of values rooted in servant leadership, integrity, and respect. Today, Mitchell focuses on clarity and what he calls “executive abundance,” helping fast‑growing CEOs articulate their purpose in under 10 words and design companies that create value for five stakeholder groups: self and family, employees, customers, investors, and community. He also runs a LinkedIn agency for business owners “tired of slimy LinkedIn sales tactics,” and is currently pursuing a PhD to put academic rigor behind his frameworks for credibility, leadership, and stakeholder‑centric growth. Connect with Mitchell Levy:   LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchelllevy/    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CredibilityNation   Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/happyabout  To get in touch with Gary: Website: https://betterpathtraining.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gsinderbrand/ Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    Mitchell Levy: Building Parallel Six-Figure Businesses with Credibility and Clarity

  6. Jun 17

    Catherine Bell: Waking Up Leaders from Sleepwalking Through Success

    If 95% of your thoughts are negative and repeating, what does that mean for how you lead, love, and work? Catherine Bell breaks down a practical path to interrupt the pattern and build a life and company with real meaning. In this episode, Gary and Catherine Bell discuss: Making the unconscious conscious in leadership and lifeEnneagram archetypes and the three centers (gut, heart, head)Shadows, trauma, and using pain as a portal to growthCEOs in distress, meaninglessness, and personal vision workArchetypes, numbers, and the energetic “puzzle pieces” of organizations Key Takeaways: Most people live on autopilot, shaped by repetitive negative thoughts that quietly influence daily experience.The Enneagram helps map patterns, revealing both strengths and blind spots to support more conscious and intentional action.Leadership growth begins with honest self-awareness, a clear personal vision, and aligning daily behavior with that vision.Painful experiences and crises can deepen avoidance or become catalysts for purpose, depending on one’s willingness to confront them.Increased self-awareness spreads outward, influencing relationships, teams, organizations, and broader communities. "How do we want to show up if we're gone the next day? How do we want to be remembered?" — Catherine Bell About Catherine Bell: Catherine Bell helps leaders, teams, and organizations truly thrive. She is the CEO and Founder of The Awakened Company, where she partners with organizations to build healthy, conscious cultures through executive coaching, strategy sessions, team facilitation, speaking, and online programs. An award‑winning PROFIT 500 founder, serial entrepreneur, and best‑selling author, Catherine brings both academic rigor and real‑world experience to her work. She holds an MBA from the Smith School of Business at Queen’s University, a sociology degree from Western University, is certified in the Enneagram, and is also a yoga instructor. She has served as a Jarislowsky Co‑Fellow at the Haskayne School of Business (University of Calgary) and teaches at Smith (Queen’s School of Business). Catherine created The Awakened Company book, and her team's process is currently the subject of business research. She has been mentored in leadership by one of the world’s top leadership researchers, Dr. Julian Barling. She also co‑founded Awakenly, a mindfulness app that uses the Enneagram to ground people in presence and transform their lived experience. Committed to impact beyond the boardroom, Catherine founded The Awakened Project to help women out of poverty, serves as an Advisor to Telus Spark Science Centre and Impact Society, and sits on the Board of Tara Mandala. She has also created two programs with Russ Hudson for Sounds True—one on Relationships and the Enneagram and another on Creativity and the Enneagram—and has a book on the Enneagram and creativity with Penguin Random House / Hay House. Connect with Catherine Bell:   Website: https://awakenedcompany.com/ | https://catherinerbell.com/ |  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bellcatherine/ | https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-awakened-company/ | https://www.linkedin.com/groups/3868695/  X: https://x.com/AwakenedCompany  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/awakenedcompany  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theawakenedcompany/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AwakenedCompany  Book: https://www.amazon.ca/Awakened-Company-Catherine-R-Bell/dp/1897238797  THE AWAKENED COMPANY CERTIFICATION: https://awakenedcompany.com/awaken-with-us/#awakened-company-certification  To get in touch with Gary: Website: https://betterpathtraining.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    Catherine Bell: Waking Up Leaders from Sleepwalking Through Success

  7. Jun 10

    Jesse Gilmore: Systems, Scalable Offers, and the Leverage for Growth Method

    From lucid dreaming to leverage, this is the story of an entrepreneur who stopped trading hours for income and built a business that runs without him. In this episode, Gary and Jesse Gilmore discuss: Early fascination with psychology and lucid dreamingDoor-to-door sales and learning from brick-and-mortar ownersThree early businesses and the trap of “show business.”Corporate experience, valuation, and discovering strategic strengthsCreating Niche in Control, Leverage for Growth, and the Scalable Agency Accelerator Key Takeaways: Entrepreneurship doesn’t automatically equal freedom; if the business depends entirely on the founder showing up, it’s just another job with a different label.Studying how other owners think about success, systems, and leverage can shorten the learning curve dramatically.Corporate experience can reveal the missing pieces in small businesses—especially around valuation, structure, and strategic thinking.Moving from one-on-one delivery to leveraged models (group, masterminds, and courses) is often essential if a founder wants to scale without burnout.Coachability, assertiveness, and a clear vision for the company are critical traits for any leader who wants to implement real, lasting change. "I guess the only personality types that wouldn't work really well is if they're just not good, they're not coachable, they don't have some type of vision for the company, or where they're wanting to go." — Jesse Gilmore About Jesse Gilmore: Jesse Gilmore is the founder of Niche in Control and creator of the Leverage for Growth method, a framework that helps agency owners reclaim their time, build systems, and scale beyond a personality-driven business. Starting as an 18-year-old door-to-door salesman obsessed with psychology and lucid dreaming, he spent years interviewing business owners and filling journals with real-world lessons on success. After launching multiple ventures that still depended entirely on his own effort, Jesse stepped into a $4B global corporation, where he finally saw how strategy, systems, and valuation work at scale. Combining his entrepreneurial scars with his corporate experience, he now coaches and consults agencies on building scalable offers, installing client acquisition systems, and empowering their teams—so the business can grow without the founder being in “show business” every day. Through his Scalable Agency Accelerator, mastermind programs, and the Leverage for Growth Podcast, Jesse helps leaders move from overworked operator to strategic, freedom-focused CEO. Connect with Jesse Gilmore:   Website: https://nicheincontrol.com/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessepgilmore/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@nicheincontroltv  Free Guide – The Agency Owner’s Guide to Freedom: https://www.nicheincontrol.com/free-guide  To get in touch with Gary: Website: https://betterpathtraining.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gsinderbrand/ Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    Jesse Gilmore: Systems, Scalable Offers, and the Leverage for Growth Method

  8. Jun 3

    Justin Banner: Turning Restaurant Chaos into Simple, Scalable Systems

    Most businesses run on invisible, fragile know‑how stuck in someone’s head. This episode explores a practical way to pull that knowledge into clear, automated processes so the work gets done right—even when you’re not on site. In this episode, Gary and Justin Banner discuss: Transition from marketing tech and lighting SaaS to process-focused productsOrigin story and development of Noggin for restaurantsPower of digital checklists and preventative maintenancePractical, non-hype uses of AI in everyday businessReal-world advice on bootstrapping, venture capital, and validating ideas Key Takeaways: The biggest wins often come from solving obvious, painful problems with simple tools rather than overbuilt enterprise tech.Translating “institutional knowledge” into structured, repeatable checklists is one of the fastest ways to reduce stress and dependency on the owner.AI is most powerful when it enhances human problem-solving—debugging, organizing information, and surfacing insights—rather than trying to replace creativity.The safest path into entrepreneurship is to keep your job, validate your idea with a handful of real customers, and only then consider scaling.Money from venture capital rarely fixes a weak business model; resourcefulness, customer validation, and a willingness to grind matter far more than early funding. "If you think money is going to build your business, it won't. Money is going to give you a bigger problem of people who want to get paid back at 10x what they gave you." — Justin Banner About Justin Banner: Justin Banner is a tech entrepreneur and former CEO who led a merged SaaS and marketing technology company serving lighting showrooms through a successful exit to private equity in 2022. Drawing on his early experience in restaurants and years building software, he co-founded Noggin (noggn.com), a digital checklist and process-automation platform that helps restaurant owners and other operators get critical tasks out of their heads and into simple, role-based workflows.  Justin is passionate about using practical AI and lightweight software to solve real operational problems, reduce owner stress, and turn chaotic, people-dependent businesses into scalable systems. Connect with Justin Banner:   Website: https://noggn.com/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61563544711299  To get in touch with Gary: Website: https://betterpathtraining.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gsinderbrand/ Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    Justin Banner: Turning Restaurant Chaos into Simple, Scalable Systems
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If the Public Only Knew is a podcast that takes you beyond the headlines and surface-level success stories to uncover the real journeys behind today’s most influential CEOs, founders, and business leaders. Hosted by Gary Sinderbrand, a seasoned professional with decades of experience in the financial and business worlds, the show has evolved from its original focus on exposing behind-the-scenes truths about the financial community to a broader exploration of entrepreneurship, leadership, and growth. Each episode features in-depth conversations with trailblazers who candidly share their origin stories—the ideas that sparked their ventures, the challenges they faced early on, and the pivotal moments that defined their paths. Gary’s thoughtful and direct interview style invites guests to open up about the false starts, missteps, and tough decisions they’ve made along the way. Listeners get an unfiltered look at what it really takes to build a business, from navigating uncertainty to staying true to a vision even when the odds feel stacked against you. Through these conversations, Gary uncovers the lessons learned and insights gained from years of experience in the trenches. The stories go beyond glossy success narratives, instead highlighting the resilience, adaptability, and creativity required to overcome obstacles and build lasting impact. Whether it’s a founder sharing the humbling moment they almost gave up, a CEO explaining how they rallied their team after a major setback, or a leader revealing the personal values that drive their decisions, each episode is designed to inspire and educate. If the Public Only Knew is more than a business podcast; it’s a platform for authentic storytelling. The show offers listeners the opportunity to learn directly from people who have been through the highs and lows of building something meaningful. Entrepreneurs, aspiring leaders, and anyone interested in the human side of business will find actionable takeaways, fresh perspectives, and the reassurance that failure is often part of the process. Join Gary Sinderbrand each week as he digs into the untold stories behind success and explores the real journeys of those shaping industries and communities. If you’ve ever wondered what it’s truly like to start, grow, and lead a business, If the Public Only Knew will give you the insights you need—and the inspiration to keep going.

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