Two Plus Two: The Swinger Podcast for Couples

Zack and Josie
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Two Plus Two is a space for the conversations most couples aren’t having… but probably should be. Zack and Josie explore connection, intimacy, and relationships through honest, vulnerable discussions. Through their own reflections and conversations with their guests, they inspire listeners to strengthen their relationships and discover new perspectives on communication, trust, and fulfillment—embracing the idea that deeper connection comes from the conversations most people avoid.

  1. 1d ago

    Ep 76: Naughty N’awlins: Five Days of Play, Pleasure & Pushing the Limits

    For the first time, Zack and Josie recorded an episode of Two Plus Two entirely on their own—and they had plenty to talk about. They share the highs and lows of their first Naughty N’awlins experience, an event they had heard only positive things about. In a little nod to their previous conversation about taboo, they stepped well outside their normal routine and had five back-to-back play experiences, playing every day they were there. They discuss the positives and negatives of doing that and share some unexpected consequences. They each weigh in on whether they would repeat five days of consecutive play and what they may do differently. They attended workshops for the first time and experienced a dungeon tasting, where Josie was introduced to e-stim and the violet wand. She enjoyed the experience enough to purchase a violet wand of her own from The Dungeon Store. And then there’s the secret Brad repeatedly teased them about: How can you tell whether a play session is going to be good before you actually play? Zack and Josie finally reveal what they believe is the answer and discuss whether they would still play if they suspected the experience might not be great—or simply walk away and have sex with each other instead. Josie also reveals a shift in her mindset from “give me reasons to say yes” to “give me reasons to say no,” leading to a conversation about how their approach to play has evolved. They briefly share their experience at Colette and invite listeners to weigh in on whether they prioritize quantity or quality in their own experiences by joining the conversation on Peaches’nCream. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Overall vibe of Naughty N’awlins and host hotels (00:06:27) Our first ever workshops (00:14:42) Dungeon tasting and the violet wand (00:19:50) We made connections prior to the event (00:26:31) We were naughty at Naughty (00:28:04) Our experience of Colette (00:31:56) Back to back play experiences (00:37:58) Quality over quantity (00:40:28) The negatives at Naughty (00:42:51) The health related negatives after Naughty (00:47:27) What we’ll do differently next time We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Book a Cruise or Your Trip to Temptation or Desire https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ The Dungeon Store www.TheDungeonStore.com

  2. Aug 12

    Ep 75: Taboo: Exploring the Lifestyle Despite Society’s Rules

    Genie and Dr. G join Zack and Josie for their first appearance on the podcast. For more than a decade, they have created lifestyle events designed to give couples—and eventually singles—a safe, discreet and inclusive place to explore their sexuality. Through Genie Wishes, Arizona Fantasy Club and their fastest-growing group, Hot Wife Community, consent and respect are at the heart of everything they do. The conversation explores what it means to participate in a lifestyle that society often considers taboo. Genie and Dr. G share how their upbringings and societal expectations shaped their views about sex, relationships, guilt and shame—and how challenging those expectations has led to personal growth. They also discuss vulnerability between partners, creating a safe space for difficult conversations, making propositions without creating pressure, and how to handle a “no” with love and respect. It’s an honest conversation about challenging the rules people are taught to follow, embracing vulnerability, and discovering what can happen when couples give themselves permission to explore the parts of their sexuality that society tells them should remain taboo. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Safety, consent and discretion are the cornerstones (00:10:54) Genie Wishes and Arizona Fantasy Club (00:12:33) Hot Wife Community  (00:17:08) Reframing sex and the Vegas mindset (00:20:33) Societal and familial expectations and conditioning (00:27:31) Gay clubs are great for dancing (00:33:28) Dr. G’s upbringing and what other people think (00:36:54) Being vulnerable and creating a safe space for taboo subjects (00:41:27) Navigating propositions and conversations with respect (00:45:04) Reactions, responses and disappointment (00:47:44) Stigma of bisexuality for both men and women (00:55:14) Shame and guilt (01:00:44) Processing negative experiences (01:05:02) Internal and external struggles We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com ⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Book Your Trip to Temptation or Desire https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/

  3. Jul 29

    Ep 74: A Unicorn Finds Her Match: Community, Chemistry & Commitment

    Zack and Josie welcome new guests Rick and Gwen for a conversation about their unique journey navigating the lifestyle together. After meeting a little over a year ago, the two began building their connection while exploring how the lifestyle would fit into their relationship. When they met, Gwen was already a unicorn in the lifestyle, while Rick brought extensive experience as a pleasure Dom. Together, they have had to navigate the changes that came with shifting from individual experiences to exploring as a couple. They share the growing pains, lessons learned, and how they continue to support each other’s interests and desires. Gwen talks about how she discovered the lifestyle and what keeps her drawn to it, while Rick shares his journey of finding a place for his BDSM interests with partners who genuinely enjoy those dynamics. The conversation also dives into the challenges singles often face in the lifestyle, including feelings of loneliness and navigating connections without the built-in support of a partner. Rick and Gwen discuss the differences between solo experiences and couple experiences, including the unique bond couples can build when they reconnect and share their adventures together. This episode explores connection, communication, evolving roles, and the ways relationships can grow when partners embrace each other’s authentic selves. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Gwen’s journey into the lifestyle as a unicorn (00:05:52) Rick’s BDSM journey (00:09:55) BDSM doesn’t interest Gwen, but she respects his desire for it (00:12:11) The pleasure Dom (00:18:00) Rick and Gwen met on Feeld (00:22:42) Building a relationship while navigating the lifestyle together (00:26:57) Perceptions and expectations  (00:32:25) Prejudice, judgment and communication (00:37:24) Adventure, community and connection (00:40:59) The octopus (00:46:50) Parallel play, play dynamics (00:50:42) Navigating feelings and connections (00:55:48) Chemistry, emotional connection and meaningful love (01:00:31) Attraction and communicating interest We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com ⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Book Your Trip to Temptation or Desire https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ Rick’s Photography Business ​​https://www.instagram.com/polymathphoto Gwen’s Coaching Business https://theopendynamic.com/

  4. Jul 15

    Ep 73: Fairness: Biology, Boundaries & B******t

    Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a spirited conversation about one of the most debated concepts in the lifestyle: fairness. From honoring commitments and navigating separate play to managing insecurities and expectations, the couples explore how they define fairness within their own relationships—and whether it even belongs in the equation. Along the way, they tackle questions about attraction, opportunity, biology, and the unique challenges that arise when partners don't always experience the lifestyle in the same way. As differing perspectives collide, the discussion becomes surprisingly candid, occasionally heated, and ultimately revealing. Rather than offering easy answers, the conversation highlights how every couple must find their own balance between fairness, freedom, and connection. It's an honest look at the feelings, assumptions, and relationship dynamics that emerge when couples venture beyond conventional boundaries. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Fairness is important to us (00:01:47) Honoring commitments to one another (00:04:32) Playing separately (00:07:14) Playing with a unicorn vs play with female half of a couple (00:09:54) Singles have to go home alone (00:11:42) Men vs women…biology and other things (00:15:28) Making the decision to have a separate play session or not  (00:18:35) Arranging play dates for your partner (00:26:14) Birthday play dates and sharing details of separate play (00:32:28) Fairness isn’t a factor…or is it? (00:38:15) Selecting play partners (00:42:25) Giving and receiving as a couple is hot (00:44:54) Fairness and pacing in play sessions We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com ⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Book Your Trip to Temptation or Desire https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ Suzie Webster Author Page https://amzn.to/4rXPfOx

  5. Jul 1

    Ep 72: Lifestyle Parties: Chemistry, Connection and Rejection

    Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a candid conversation about lifestyle parties, attraction, connection, and the many factors that shape our experiences. The couples explore their different approaches to the lifestyle and how they balance socializing, friendships, sexual chemistry, and play experiences. They discuss the excitement that comes with meeting someone new, the thrill of the chase, and why familiar connections can offer a completely different kind of reward. Along the way, they tackle some of the more challenging aspects of the lifestyle—reading interest, communicating attraction, navigating rejection, and dealing with the uncertainty that comes when another couple suddenly goes quiet. The conversation also examines how intentions can shift before and during an event, depending on everything from chemistry with others to the connection they're feeling with their own partner. From "taking one for the team" to choosing quality connections over simply collecting experiences, this episode offers an honest look at the decisions, assumptions, and conversations that happen behind the scenes at lifestyle parties. Whether you're drawn to the excitement of new possibilities or the comfort of established connections, you'll likely find yourself somewhere in this discussion. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) We never go into a party expecting to play (00:02:14) Undiscovered possibilities (00:04:34) Intentions can change based on many factors (00:07:05) No expectations (00:09:10) We always go with the intention to play if we make a connection (00:11:11) Shiny new vs tried and true (00:12:07) Rejection sucks (00:14:58) It may have nothing to do with you and you may never know ‘why’ (00:19:52) Processing rejection (00:22:26) There are lots of reasons why people may cancel (00:27:28) The chase vs familiarity (00:29:45) Energy can change in subsequent experiences with the same people (00:31:58) Would you rather… (00:33:17) The lifestyle draws people who want new experiences (00:35:34) Taking one for the team (00:39:55) Sex with other people is like a box of chocolates (00:43:24) Friendships vs play partners (00:45:50) Lifestyle friends you don’t play with (00:48:12) Jenni’s I Love Cliterature book club (00:49:43) An interesting question to consider (00:54:44) Boundaries…is kissing okay? (00:57:41) Discernment in choosing play experiences We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com ⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Book Your Trip to Temptation or Desire https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ Suzie Webster Author Page https://amzn.to/4rXPfOx

  6. Jun 17

    Ep 71: House Party Vibes: Interest, Intentions & Invitations

    Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a candid conversation about a recent lifestyle party they all attended. What started as a discussion about the event quickly evolved into a deeper look at how different couples navigate attraction, communicate interest, and approach new connections. The couples compare their personal styles, discussing everything from subtle signals and direct communication to common mistakes people make when trying to express interest. They share what they've found works best, what doesn't, and why clear communication remains one of the most important skills in the lifestyle. Along the way, Zack and Josie reflect on how much they've grown since their early days in the lifestyle. They discuss becoming more confident, assertive, and intentional while still prioritizing respect, consent, and mutual enthusiasm. Zack explains why he prefers to wait for clear signs of interest before making a move and how that approach has shaped many of their experiences. The conversation also explores some of the unique challenges faced by newer couples who are still building confidence and learning how to communicate their desires, boundaries, and expectations. Although the episode was intended to feature all four perspectives equally, Zack and Josie ended up doing most of the talking as they unpacked two memorable play experiences from the party. They walk listeners through how each connection developed, the communication that happened along the way, and the lessons they took from both encounters. Whether you're new to the lifestyle or have years of experience, this episode offers an honest look at attraction, communication, confidence, and the social dynamics that can make or break a great party experience. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Party prep (00:02:51) Intentions at parties (00:04:45) Confusing our men (00:05:47) Hit list (00:07:51) Acting thirsty repels people (00:08:34) Pleasantly persistent (00:17:37) The proposition (00:20:51) The play experience (00:24:14) Two directors and two actors (00:31:21) We let it fizzle and made our escape (00:35:38) Communication is so important (00:39:29) We went another round (00:44:18) That’s a ‘no’ (00:46:48) I want her to take the lead (00:52:06) Our threesome within a moresome (00:58:17) The night was interesting (01:01:08) To be continued… We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com ⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Hoover Maneuver Reference - Episode 17 at 47:00 https://bit.ly/3QlR6jC Book Your Trip to Temptation or Desire https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ Suzie Webster Author Page https://amzn.to/4rXPfOx

  7. Jun 3

    Ep 70: From Playboy to Playtime: Ed and Sarah’s Accidental Lifestyle Journey

    Zack and Josie welcome first-time guests Ed and Sarah to the podcast for a fun and unexpectedly relatable lifestyle origin story. What began as a promotional opportunity for Sarah—a former Playboy model—quickly turned into something they never saw coming when they unknowingly arrived at a lifestyle resort. After noticing some unusual interactions between guests, a kind older woman finally pulled them aside and explained exactly where they were…and what everyone was doing there. Rather than running for the exit, Ed and Sarah found themselves drawn to the welcoming atmosphere, body confidence, and freedom of simply being “super naked” around friendly, open-minded people. For several years, that was enough. But on a later trip, an effortless connection with another attractive couple changed everything, leading to their first full swap experience and opening the door to a whole new chapter together. It’s a story about accidental discovery, organic connection, and how sometimes the lifestyle finds you before you ever go looking for it. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Ladies Love Desire Facebook page (00:02:12) Deer in headlights (00:03:12) Playboy model turned lifestyle resort promoter (00:04:36) These people are really friendly (00:06:28) We got ‘super naked’ at Desire (00:07:12) I wanted women to feel comfortable and welcome (00:08:33) Nothing happened for the first several visits to Desire (00:11:44) We met a really cute couple (00:14:34) It was all we talked about for months (00:18:09) It has become this amazing community of women (00:24:35) Women from the group send sexy pics on husbands’ birthdays (00:29:08) Am I normal questions (00:32:25) Temptations is a non-stop party (00:35:00) We were just sitting next to the bar minding our own business (00:40:43) Temptations vs Desire Pearl vs DRM (00:45:25) You can take her to your room…what am I supposed to do with her? (00:47:52) I’ve always been bi-curious (00:49:16) Theme nights and dressing sexy (00:51:20) Fashion for women over 40  We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com ⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Book Your Trip to Temptation or Desire https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ Ladies Love Desire Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/groups/LadiesLoveDesire Sarah’s Instagram Fashion Account https://www.instagram.com/stylinbysarah_/ Suzie Webster Author Page https://amzn.to/4rXPfOx

  8. May 20

    Ep 69: Erotica: A Gateway Drug to Sexual Liberation

    Zack and Josie welcome first-time guests Brad and Jenni for a candid and engaging conversation about how their journey into the lifestyle began. What started as Jenni’s private enjoyment of erotica and audiobooks quietly transformed their connection—sparking a level of intimacy Brad couldn’t quite explain until curiosity led him to ask questions. From there, the couple began listening together, eventually discovering podcasts that encouraged deeper conversations—ones they had never had before. Those discussions opened the door to exploring new desires, including Jenni’s interest in a same-sex experience, and set them on a path of shared discovery. Brad and Jenni reflect on the early steps, from navigating dating sites to their evolving experiences in the lifestyle. Along the way, they share the highs, the challenges, and the personal growth that comes with it. Zack and Josie add their own insights, creating a thoughtful and often humorous conversation about communication, compatibility, and how very different personalities can thrive together in this space. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Reaping the benefits from your wife’s erotica addiction (00:05:11) Sex Stories podcast built our communication and eliminated fears (00:10:08) Erotica was our gateway drug(00:12:50) First FF experience (00:16:59) Insecurities, intimidation and support (00:20:51) Women with magnetic energy and confidence (00:23:29) FF dynamics (00:25:37) Our first meeting with a couple (00:29:46) Did I break a ‘rule’? (00:32:47) Different communication styles create conflict (00:34:31) ‘I need water’ (00:37:56) Flirting and socializing (00:39:50) Assessing when it’s time to play (00:42:09) Closing the deal and missed opportunities (00:44:06) Four way dynamics are tough to assess (00:46:55) Exploring separate play (00:48:06) Capitalizing on the energy in the moment (00:51:21) Communication in the moment can be challenging (00:53:06) Playing it safe vs taking more risks (00:54:26) Fear of misinterpretation (00:56:44) Enjoying all the lifestyle layers We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com ⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Sex Stories Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sex-stories-real-people-talking-about-sex-love-relationships/id1448122972 Suzie Webster Author Page https://amzn.to/4rXPfOx

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Two Plus Two is a space for the conversations most couples aren’t having… but probably should be. Zack and Josie explore connection, intimacy, and relationships through honest, vulnerable discussions. Through their own reflections and conversations with their guests, they inspire listeners to strengthen their relationships and discover new perspectives on communication, trust, and fulfillment—embracing the idea that deeper connection comes from the conversations most people avoid.

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