The Derby Mill Series: Pushing AI to the Limit

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A podcast all about artificial intelligence, LLMs, machine learning and reinforcement learning, featuring the founders building the next generation of AI-driven companies. Host Ajay Agrawal leads panellists Rich Sutton, Sendhil Mullainathan, Niamh Gavin and Suzanne Gildert through discussions with entrepreneurs. Each episode explores what’s possible when cutting-edge research meets real-world implementation. insights.intrepidgp.com

  1. 1d ago

    Recruiting and Hiring (Ep. 36)

    Many CEOs say that deciding who to hire is the most important decision a company makes. Many AI experts say that temporal difference learning is one of the most important concepts in AI. In this episode, The Derby Mill team draws the link between the two. Although the hiring decision is so critical, traditional recruitment is notoriously inefficient and susceptible to human bias. How can AI recruiting agents help companies source and evaluate talent? How much of the hiring process can - and should - be handed over to AI? The Derby Mill team joins Metaview co-founders Siadhal Magos and Shahriar Tajbakhsh to tackle these questions. AI already has affected hiring, with annual applications per recruiter increasing by approximately 200% between 2022 and 2025. Recruiters spend their days processing massive application queues, writing outreach, scheduling screens, and shuttling information between systems. The average time to fill a role is nearly 45 days, and nearly 50% of hiring decisions are later regretted. To help client companies navigate the slop, Metaview recently launched fillmore, an agentic AI designed to act as an autonomous recruiting coworker. Instead of recruiters spending weeks sourcing leads and drafting job descriptions, fillmore ingests intake conversations, drafts role requirements, and surfaces targeted candidate matches for human review. Metaview says thousands of companies are already deploying fillmore, conducting a growing number of candidate interactions and shortening time-to-hire by over 75%. In this episode, the discussion begins with an examination of the recruiting funnel and where AI delivers real leverage. Sendhil Mullainathan has thought deeply about bias in the hiring decision. Over twenty years ago he published what became a landmark study of racial bias in hiring. The panel discusses how AIs can reduce human bias. Later, they investigate the future of AI-enabled hiring. Rich Sutton notes that “It’s an interesting learning problem... an exact case where you have guesses that are trained by later guesses,” linking the interview process directly to temporal difference learning. Applied AI scientist Niamh Gavin explores how organizations can track counterfactual outcomes for rejected candidates, and whether AI can ever truly replace high-stakes, face-to-face evaluations. Finally, Ajay and Sendhil discuss how agentic AI could fundamentally reshape organizations—moving hiring away from individuals toward the onboarding of entire teams or departments. What’s certain is that hiring and recruiting is set to change as agentic AI streamlines its processes - and Metaview is at the forefront of this new corporate landscape. FEATURING Siadhal Magos, co-founder and chief executive officer, Metaview Shahriar Tajbakhsh, co-founder and chief technology officer, Metaview Ajay Agrawal, co-founder and partner, Intrepid Growth Partners Sendhil Mullainathan, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, MacArthur Genius grant Niamh Gavin, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, Applied AI scientist and CEO, Emergent Platforms Richard Sutton, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, 2024 Turing Award recipient, pioneer of reinforcement learning and professor, University of Alberta LINKS Metaview’s value proposition explained. Metaview’s website. Metaview’s recent Series C fund raise announced here with participation from Intrepid GP. Mentioned in this ep: Sendhil’s research on hiring bias in American Economic Review. PDF of the working paper. Rich Sutton’s bitter lesson essay. Subscribe to The Derby Mill Series at our Substack (main site) or on YouTube, Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Derby Mill is created by the team at Intrepid Growth Partners and produced by Ghost Bureau. NUGGETS Rethinking the Job DescriptionCan AI help a company better understand the role it’s filling? Everyone’s RecruitableRather than relying on applicants, Rich Sutton and Siadhal Magos believe AI-enabled hiring will recruit from the entire global population No More Hiring IndividualsAjay and Sendhil suggest AI-enabled hiring will lead companies to recruit entire teams rather than “onesies” Recruiting as AI Learning ProblemRich Sutton observes that recruiting presents a unique learning problem wherein guesses are trained by later guesses DISCUSSION POINTS00:00 Cold Open00:30 Human Bias & fillmore: The AI Recruiter05:15 How AI Speeds Up Job Posting & Finding Candidates10:45 The Tech Behind AI Sourcing & Real-Time Matching19:35 Human Assessment vs. Algorithmic Sourcing31:29 Predicting the Future of AI Recruitment46:32 Rethinking Company Workflows: Onesies vs. Team Hires53:19 How Metaview Can Encourage Exploration01:02:18 Final Thoughts01:07:29 Wrap-up DISCLAIMER The content of this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as marketing, solicitation, or an offer to buy or sell any securities or investments. The opinions expressed in this video are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of Intrepid Growth Partners or its affiliates. Any discussion of specific companies, technologies, or industries is for illustrative purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Viewers are encouraged to consult with their own financial, legal, and tax advisors before making any investment decisions. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit insights.intrepidgp.com

    Recruiting and Hiring (Ep. 36)

  2. Oct 28

    AI-Enabled Cybersecurity (Ep. 35)

    Earlier this month, JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon remarked, “I wrote about cyber this year. I said, and I meant it, it’s our biggest risk. And that was a couple weeks before Mythos. And now it is our biggest risk by far.” Then last week, The Wall Street Journal ran the headline “AI Just Found a Bug That Puts up to 70% of the World’s Websites at Risk; Artificial-intelligence tools helped find one of the most severe online bugs ever. Cyber experts are racing to patch it before hackers use AI to exploit it.” Cybersecurity researchers, the accompanying story noted, had issued an alert about two AI-uncovered vulnerabilities in PHP (PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor), a programming language that powers most of the web, including WordPress and Wikipedia. The same day, The Information reported a totally separate cyber attack: “A hacking group called CyberCartel used a web of AI agents powered by models from companies including Anthropic, SpaceX and Chinese lab Moonshot AI to automate cyberattacks against more than 400 Latin American financial targets, according to an investigation by the cybersecurity startup Straiker.” Two days later, The Atlantic ran the headline “Welcome to the Valley of Pain: An explosion of AI-powered hacks will reshape life online.” All this was forecast at Intrepid’s June annual general meeting in London. The Derby Mill team and Gianni Cuozzo, the CEO and founder of Rome-based Exein S.p.A., an Intrepid portfolio company that produces cybersecurity software for AI-enabled physical connected devices, anticipated the coming surge in cyber attacks. Recent advances in AI lower two costs that increase the likelihood of cyber attacks: 1) they drastically lower the cost of finding vulnerabilities in code, 2) they severely lower the cost of exploiting those vulnerabilities. While advances in AI also lower the costs of cyberdefence, the impact is not symmetric. The reason AIs advantage attackers more than defenders is due to their unpredictable error profiles, which are less problematic for attackers. Sendhil Mullainathan summarized, “Both the discovery and the exploit [of the coding flaws] are now about to get orders of magnitude much bigger. So if you think of a tail risk for the entire economy, this type of thing is sitting on that. You could imagine an attack on the New York Stock Exchange that caused chaos or rewrote trades even just for 5 minutes…. it’s arguably the biggest near-term threat that is not really described because you forget how much of the economic system, the medical system, everything relies on technology.” PARTICIPANTS Gianni Cuozzo, founder and CEO, Exein S.p.A.Ajay Agrawal, co-founder and partner, Intrepid Growth PartnersSendhil Mullainathan, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, MacArthur Genius grant recipient and professor, MITNiamh Gavin, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, Applied AI scientist and CEO, Emergent Platforms LINKS Find Exein on the web. Context on their $270M raise, led by Headline with participation from Intrepid Growth Partners and others, at a $1.7B valuation for building the security layer for physical AI. Report on the round from the Financial Times. Intrepid’s report. More PHP vulnerability context from the BBC, the SANS Institute and the New York Times. Hugging Face incident context. MIT Technology Review. OpenAI’s take. Op-Ed from The Guardian. Commentary from WSJ. Derby Mill’s previous conversation with Gianni Cuozzo, which predicted incidents like Hugging Face. Subscribe to The Derby Mill Series at our Substack (main site) or on YouTube, Spotify or Apple Podcasts Derby Mill is created by the team at Intrepid Growth Partners and produced by Ghost Bureau. DISCUSSION POINTS 00:00 Cold open 00:40 Exein Origins 06:41 Agnostic Architecture 08:03 Product Ecosystem 09:22 Machine-Based Ransomware 11:44 AI Agent Communications 14:03 Escalating Tail Risks 18:44 On-Device Embedded Security 21:39 Embedded System Vulnerabilities 24:02 Audience Q&A 25:50 Market Demand Dynamics 27:12 Azure Container Incident 32:00 White Hat Hacker Bounties 33:08 Asymmetry in LLM Capabilities 36:06 Real-Time Processing Constraints 39:34 LLM-Generated Code Vulnerabilities 41:40 Long-Term Horizon DISCLAIMER The content of this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as marketing, solicitation, or an offer to buy or sell any securities or investments. The opinions expressed in this video are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of Intrepid Growth Partners or its affiliates. Any discussion of specific companies, technologies, or industries is for illustrative purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Viewers are encouraged to consult with their own financial, legal, and tax advisors before making any investment decisions. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit insights.intrepidgp.com

    AI-Enabled Cybersecurity (Ep. 35)

  3. Oct 14

    Evaluating AI Models (Ep 34)

    The nonprofit AI-progress assessment organization, METR (Model Evaluation and Threat Research) released a graph recently that has become “an industrywide obsession,” according to the New York Times. But are there better ways to track AI progress? Here, the Derby Mill panel weighs in. METR uses a task-completion time horizon to assess the progress of AI frontier systems. The “time horizon” is the duration that it would take a human expert to complete a set of diverse software development tasks. METR’s 50% time horizon, then, is the “duration at which an agent is predicted to succeed” at a given software development task half the time. According to METR, frontier models over the last year have increased their task-completion horizon by about an order of magnitude, from roughly 1.5 hours to about 15 hours (see graph). In this episode, Derby Mill host Ajay Agrawal begins by challenging Rich Sutton, Suzanne Gildert and Niamh Gavin: Should we expect another order-of-magnitude increase over the next 12 months? The discussion quickly turns into a debate over the authenticity of METR’s measurement. Does the METR graph, and its remarkable improvement, reflect an improvement in AI model intelligence? “I think this stuff is totally bogus,” says reinforcement learning pioneer Rich Sutton. “You have to realize how easy it is to cook these numbers.” Rich’s criticism prompts Ajay to challenge the panel: Is there a way to measure AI’s progress that is better than METR’s method? Niamh discusses her role in a fascinating initiative to assess AI models by how well they win elections in simulated environments. And what merit is there in Suzanne’s suggestion, to assess progress based on aggregate numbers of job postings for software developers? FEATURING Ajay Agrawal, co-founder and partner, Intrepid Growth Partners Niamh Gavin, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, Applied AI scientist and CEO, Emergent Platforms Suzanne Gildert, CEO, Nirvanic Consciousness Technologies, quantum physicist, co-founder of Sanctuary AI and Kindred Richard Sutton, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, 2024 Turing Award recipient, pioneer of reinforcement learning and professor, University of Alberta LINKS METR’s task-completion time horizon model explained, including the various versions of the time horizon graph at 50% and 80% success rates. Scroll down for a great FAQ explaining the effort’s various points. METR CEO Beth Barnes in conversation on 80,000 hours. The NY Times article that observed how METR’s graph has become “an industrywide obsession.” Derby Mill is created by the team at Intrepid Growth Partners and produced by Ghost Bureau. DISCUSSION POINTS 00:00 Cold open 00:27 Task Horizon Graph Explained 06:01 Low Context vs. High Context Tasks 10:10 Critiquing Model Evaluation Metrics 15:53 Testing AI Capabilities 20:08 Alternative Measures 27:07 Do We Need Quantitative Benchmarks? DISCLAIMER The content of this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as marketing, solicitation, or an offer to buy or sell any securities or investments. The opinions expressed in this video are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of Intrepid Growth Partners or its affiliates. Any discussion of specific companies, technologies, or industries is for illustrative purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Viewers are encouraged to consult with their own financial, legal, and tax advisors before making any investment decisions. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit insights.intrepidgp.com

    Evaluating AI Models (Ep 34)

  4. Jul 7

    Self Driving Labs (Ep 33)

    Atinary Technologies, based in Lausanne and Silicon Valley, is pioneering autonomous scientific experimentation with AI-driven robotic research labs. In this episode, our season finale, the Derby Mill panel welcomes Hermann Tribukait, co-founder and CEO of Atinary, whose vision is to use the company’s technology to exponentially accelerate the discovery of breakthrough molecules. Named after the Spanish verb “atinar” — to hit a target — Atinary’s product is SDLabs, short for “Self-Driving Labs Platform,” a code-free agentic AI solution that enables scientists to optimize their experimentation workflows without coding or machine-learning expertise. The platform has been deployed across pharma, chemicals, and materials R&D. Earlier this year, in a significant step from the digital to the physical, Atinary opened its first Self-Driving Lab in Boston, where it runs experiments autonomously 24/7. Reported efficiencies and scaling are impressive. Atinary says it can generate in a week the data that would take a grad student an entire Ph.D. For one client, Atinary’s self-driving experimentation cut the use of an expensive catalyst by 30x, reducing cost by 97% and reaction time by 50%. Is autonomous scientific discovery realistic? And where might the technology go at the limit? “One place where all this leads,” observes Sendhil, “Chemistry will get one step closer to a solved field—and when chemistry gets close to a solved field, boy does that look completely different.” PARTICIPANTS Hermann Tribukait, co-founder, CEO and chair, Atinary Technologies Inc. Ajay Agrawal, co-founder and partner, Intrepid Growth Partners Sendhil Mullainathan, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, MacArthur Genius grant recipient and professor, MIT Niamh Gavin, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, Applied AI scientist and CEO, Emergent Platforms LINKS Atinary website Loïc Roch, Atinary CTO and co-founder, explains the technology Atinary launches its first self-driving lab Subscribe to The Derby Mill Series at our Substack (main site) or on YouTube, Spotify or Apple Podcasts Derby Mill is created by the team at Intrepid Growth Partners and produced by Ghost Bureau. DISCUSSION POINTS 00:00 Cold open 00:52 Explaining Atinary 03:40 Sample objectives 05:54 DMTA and learn 07:22 Efficiencies 09:29 Scaling challenge 12:39 Why run experiments? 15:12 A solved field 16:30 Chemistry and RL 17:47 GenAI lessons 18:44 Football fields 20:22 Chemistry as biology 21:29 Formulation challenge 23:15 Combinatorial search 26:52 Programmable biology 28:57 OFAT 30:44 Lightning round 33:12 Eroom’s law DISCLAIMER The content of this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as marketing, solicitation, or an offer to buy or sell any securities or investments. The opinions expressed in this video are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of Intrepid Growth Partners or its affiliates. Any discussion of specific companies, technologies, or industries is for illustrative purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Viewers are encouraged to consult with their own financial, legal, and tax advisors before making any investment decisions. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit insights.intrepidgp.com

    Self Driving Labs (Ep 33)

  5. Jun 23

    AI for Industrial Engineering (ep 32)

    In our latest episode, Intrepid’s Derby Mill podcast features the CEO and co-founder of UK-based PhysicsX, Jacomo Corbo, for a special in-person episode filmed at our Annual General Meeting in London. The interview, conducted by host Ajay Agrawal and panel members Sendhil Mullainathan and Niamh Gavin, comes just weeks after PhysicsX announced an oversubscribed $300 million Series C investment round that valued the company at $2.4 billion, which included Intrepid participation. The PhysicsX origin story includes Corbo and his co-founder, Robin Tuluie, working on the Formula 1 racing circuit for the Renault team that won back-to-back world championships in 2005 and 2006. (Corbo took a year off from studying computer science for his Ph.D. at Harvard after the Renault team noticed his game-theory based research and asked him to apply it to F1 racing environments, eventually becoming Renault’s chief race strategist.) Corbo and Tulule started PhysicsX in 2019 and now say that their machine-learning foundation models can accelerate simulation for industrial engineering by between 10,000 to 100,000 times. That means more efficient product design cycles, Corbo says, delivered under faster timelines, which in turn translates into better products. Based in London and New York with more than 300 employees, PhysicsX counts among its clients leading organizations in aerospace & defense, automotive, semiconductors, materials, and energy & renewables On the agenda in today’s discussion: How do the PhysicsX AI-enabled emulation models differ from conventional simulation? What capabilities does better simulation unlock for today’s industrial engineers? And how will tomorrow’s products differ as a result? In our first-ever in-person episode filmed in London, the Derby Mill tackles it all. PARTICIPANTS Jacomo Corbo, co-founder and CEO, PhysicsX Ajay Agrawal, co-founder and partner, Intrepid Growth Partners Sendhil Mullainathan, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, MacArthur Genius grant recipient and professor, MIT Niamh Gavin, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, Applied AI scientist and CEO, Emergent Platforms LINKS PhysicsX website PhysicsX press release for its last investment round, in which Intrepid participated Harvard School of Engineering alumni profile on Jacomo Corbo Subscribe to The Derby Mill Series at our Substack (main site) or on YouTube, Spotify or Apple Podcasts Derby Mill is created by the team at Intrepid Growth Partners and produced by Ghost Bureau. DISCUSSION POINTS 00:00 Cold open 01:10 PhysicsX described 03:10 AI Numerical Inference 04:00 Governing Physics Equations 05:57 Engineering Intuition Limitations 08:07 Optimization Computational Barriers 10:01 Democratizing Engineering Simulation 11:05 Deep Learning Models 11:26 Empirical Data Training 12:28 Industrial Customer Segments 14:41 Approximating Ground Truth 15:55 Expanding Design Space 17:01 Dark Factory Vision 18:56 Key Breakthrough Requirements 21:05 Training Data Scarcity 22:10 Reinforcement Learning Approach 24:59 End-of-One Customization 26:27 Influencing Physical World 28:31 Scaling Pre-trained Models 29:21 Model Attention Mechanisms 30:35 High Dimensional Physics 32:41 Reducing Exploration Costs 35:12 Manufacturing Cost Curves 36:52 Sim-to-Real Performance 38:15 Improving Causal Inference 38:40 Quantum Computing Integration 40:01 Innovativeness and Novelty DISCLAIMER The content of this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as marketing, solicitation, or an offer to buy or sell any securities or investments. The opinions expressed in this video are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of Intrepid Growth Partners or its affiliates. Any discussion of specific companies, technologies, or industries is for illustrative purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Viewers are encouraged to consult with their own financial, legal, and tax advisors before making any investment decisions. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit insights.intrepidgp.com

  6. Jun 9

    Last-Mile Delivery (ep 31)

    UK-based Relay is a fast-growing delivery company whose mission is to lower the cost of last-mile fulfillment. CEO and co-founder Jonathan Jenssen say his team is reinventing networks for modern e-commerce. Relay covers about 23% of the UK, has a 4% share in operating postal codes and includes on its customer list such brands as Vinted, Temu, Shein, TikTok Shop, ASOS and Next. One big challenge for Relay is that the last mile amounts to ~70% of total delivery cost. Also confounding cost decreases is the fact that the parking-to-doorstep journey amounts to ~80% of last-mile time. That all means that about half of the total cost of package delivery is in the last 100 metres of the delivery. To decrease those costs, Jenssen’s team is harnessing the power of AI to make the last few hundred metres of the delivery more efficient. Gone are the days of hub and spoke routing and half-empty delivery trucks. Algorithms provide couriers with next-best-actions, in the form of turn-by-turn driving and parking directions, tips for building entry, and doorstep handover. They also use dynamic per-route pricing and live supply/demand matching, dynamic routing and an asset-light pit stop network of delivery depots that currently includes 10,000 local shops. The Derby Mill team explores where Relay’s efficiency improvements may go at the limit of AI’s capabilities. Where could robots fit in? What if Relay had access to more consumer information? Could that allow the company to actually predict customer requests? And what does all this have to do with something called “the beer game,” an MIT Sloan business case? These questions and more are answered in episode 31 of The Derby Mill Series. HOSTS AND PANELLISTS Jonathan Jenssen, co-founder and CEO, Relay Ajay Agrawal, co-founder and partner, Intrepid Growth Partners Richard Sutton, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, 2024 Turing Award recipient, pioneer of reinforcement learning and professor, University of Alberta Sendhil Mullainathan, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, MacArthur Genius grant recipient and professor, MIT Niamh Gavin, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, Applied AI scientist and CEO, Emergent Platforms Suzanne Gildert, CEO, Nirvanic Consciousness Technologies, quantum physicist, co-founder of Sanctuary AI and Kindred LINKS Relay website MIT Sloan beer distribution game Subscribe to The Derby Mill Series at our Substack (main site) or on YouTube, Spotify or Apple Podcasts Derby Mill is created by the team at Intrepid Growth Partners and produced by Ghost Bureau. DISCUSSION POINTS 00:00 Cold open 00:43 Introductions 01:35 Explaining Relay 05:02 Relay video 06:28 Clarifying questions: Rich 09:50 Optimization parameters 11:55 Clarifying question: Suzanne 16:22 Sendhil Q: Tech unlock 22:50 Hubs & spokes 26:40 Niamh: Pricing routes 29:33 Reward signals 32:23 Suzanne on robots 36:30 Coordination elements 39:03 Beer game 44:02 Information bottlenecks 47:45 Agentic info passing 49:30 JJ responds 51:40 Lightning round 53:33 Agentic AI agency 55:51 Supply chains 57:20 Wrap up DISCLAIMER The content of this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as marketing, solicitation, or an offer to buy or sell any securities or investments. The opinions expressed in this video are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of Intrepid Growth Partners or its affiliates. Any discussion of specific companies, technologies, or industries is for illustrative purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Viewers are encouraged to consult with their own financial, legal, and tax advisors before making any investment decisions. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit insights.intrepidgp.com

    Last-Mile Delivery (ep 31)

  7. Jun 2

    Healthcare Customer Experience (ep 30)

    How are companies using AI to improve the healthcare journey for consumers? And how will things evolve at the limit, where wearable technology integrates with electronic medical records and medical agentic AI analyzes everything on the fly to issue recommendations and improve outcomes? In other words, what are the implications of everyone becoming equipped with their own superhuman medical agent?  Seen one way, a superhuman medical agent is what League is aiming to develop. Founded in 2014 in Toronto, League operates an AI-powered healthcare platform for insurance companies and other payers or providers. The platform allows users to manage health benefits as well as their own healthcare. As of early 2026, the company has more than 60 million contracted users and more than a billion consumer interactions annually. Customers include Highmark Health, Manulife, Shoppers Drug Mart, and Medibank. Last year, League gave 100 million healthcare recommendations, of which people clicked through or followed through about 65% of the time.    In this episode, the Derby Mill team explores where League’s technology might go at the limit with League founder and CEO Mike Serbinis, who aims to expand the company’s capabilities to create a 24/7 infinite care platform—basically, an all-knowing doctor who knows as much as possible about you, your healthcare data, and the science of medicine. It’s a fascinating conversation that sees Sendhil observing how little the medical profession currently knows about optimizing health, or patients themselves, and Ajay challenging Rich to decide whether superhuman AI doctors would be better than having a doctor as a spouse today. (Rich says yes.)    More on our guest: A serial entrepreneur, Michael Serbinis has also founded and run Kobo, the digital reading company, cloud storage pioneer, DocSpace, and Critical Path, a messaging service. Serbinis is chair of the board for the Perimeter Institute and on the board at the Vector Institute for Artificial Intelligence. He sits on Canada's AI Strategy Task Force. HOSTS AND PANELLISTS Mike Serbinis, founder and CEO, League Ajay Agrawal, co-founder and partner, Intrepid Growth Partners Richard Sutton, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, 2024 Turing Award recipient, pioneer of reinforcement learning and professor, University of Alberta Sendhil Mullainathan, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, MacArthur Genius grant recipient and professor, MIT Niamh Gavin, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, Applied AI scientist and CEO, Emergent Platforms Suzanne Gildert, CEO, Nirvanic Consciousness Technologies, quantum physicist, co-founder of Sanctuary AI and Kindred LINKS     League website. League explainer video Subscribe to The Derby Mill Series at our Substack (main site) or on YouTube, Spotify or Apple Podcasts  Derby Mill is created by the team at Intrepid Growth Partners and produced by Ghost Bureau.  DISCUSSION POINTS 00:00 Cold open 00:38 Introductions 01:19 League explainer 01:55 Serbinis explains League 05:28 League’s AI today 08:09 More AI: Content recommendations 12:00 League’s data inputs 13:55 AB testing 19:10 Healthcare archetypes 22:15 Max health v. max engagement 25:30 Business model 27:00 At the limit: Rich  29:00 Married to a doctor 29:42 At the limit: Sendhil 31:10 Healthcare becomes you 33:37 ROI is huge 38:06 Suzanne: Robot paramedics 42:53 Serbinis responds 46:20 Infinite care team 49:16 Sendhil’s wrap up DISCLAIMER The content of this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as marketing, solicitation, or an offer to buy or sell any securities or investments. The opinions expressed in this video are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of Intrepid Growth Partners or its affiliates. Any discussion of specific companies, technologies, or industries is for illustrative purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Viewers are encouraged to consult with their own financial, legal, and tax advisors before making any investment decisions. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit insights.intrepidgp.com

  8. May 19

    Automated AI R&D and the Singularity (ep 29)

    A response from the Derby Mill team of AI experts to Anthropic co-founder Jack Clark’s recent Substack essay, “AI systems are about to start building themselves.” In the essay, Clark predicts that “no-human-involved AI R&D - an AI system powerful enough that it could plausibly autonomously build its own successor - happens by the end of 2028.” Clark notes: “If that happens, we will cross a Rubicon into a nearly-impossible-to-forecast future." With that in mind, Ajay tees up a discussion among Rich, Niamh, Sendhil and Suzanne. Is Jack Clark correct that we’re heading toward a future of self-replicating, self-optimizing AI? What are the implications? Does that actually lead to the singularity? And should we, as Rich Sutton says, treat AI the way a parent treats a child, recognizing that mistakes are inevitable?  “There’s some spookiness being implied here,” Mullainathan says, “about it coming alive and taking over a whole set of decisions we didn’t intend to cede it… and if that’s the case, that freaks me out, too.”  “The thing that they’re scared about…” says Niamh Gavin. “It’s the fact that you have, in essence, an irreversible positive feedback loop of successive self-improvement cycles, that accelerate it toward what they call a singularity, whereby artificial intelligence exceeds human intelligence and control.” Are the concerns outlined by Jack Clark warranted? Or are the fears about a harmful singularity overblown? The Derby Mill experts provide their views in our latest episode.  Finally, another fascinating thread in the episode comes from Suzanne Gildert. “It all comes down to the reward function,” says Gildert. “So there’s this thing that [AI is] still limited by us telling them what to do, because we’re the ones who want something… But that’s eventually going to break because the way the whole reward function in ML works at the moment — it’s all based on our economy… It’s based on people exchanging money for goods and services. All that’s going to break if people can’t work anymore... So that’s why I think we really have to understand what the reward function should be, because the way we’re implementing it now is not going to work beyond the point where [AI] can do all human labour for us.”  HOSTS AND PANELLISTS Ajay Agrawal, co-founder and partner, Intrepid Growth Partners Richard Sutton, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, 2024 Turing Award recipient, pioneer of reinforcement learning and professor, University of Alberta Sendhil Mullainathan, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, MacArthur Genius grant recipient and professor, MIT Niamh Gavin, senior advisor, Intrepid Growth Partners, Applied AI scientist and CEO, Emergent Platforms Suzanne Gildert, CEO, Nirvanic Consciousness Technologies, quantum physicist, co-founder of Sanctuary AI and Kindred LINKS     The Jack Clark Substack post that triggered the discussion. Jack Clark is on X @jackclarkSF Subscribe to The Derby Mill Series at our Substack (main site) or on YouTube, Spotify or Apple Podcasts. We post highlights from the show on YouTube.   Derby Mill is created by the team at Intrepid Growth Partners and produced by Ghost Bureau.  DISCUSSION POINTS 00:00 Cold open 01:06 Jack Clark post 02:56 Rich Sutton reaction 08:37 Sendhil’s reaction 16:22 Suzanne’s reaction 18:14 Niamh’s reaction 23:48 Wrap up DISCLAIMER The content of this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as marketing, solicitation, or an offer to buy or sell any securities or investments. The opinions expressed in this video are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of Intrepid Growth Partners or its affiliates. Any discussion of specific companies, technologies, or industries is for illustrative purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Viewers are encouraged to consult with their own financial, legal, and tax advisors before making any investment decisions. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit insights.intrepidgp.com

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