S06E04 Leading Addiction Recovery Innovator, Bob Bharij: You’re Not Powerless. You’re Powerful. The Five Women Who Shaped Bob Bharij In this episode of People Are Everything, Julia Duthie speaks with Bob Bharij, co-founder of Foundation for Change, Ashoka Fellow and yoga teacher, about addiction, identity, shame, power, recovery and the five women who shaped his life. Bob’s work challenges some of the assumptions around addiction and recovery. Through Foundation for Change, he helps people understand the relationship between trauma, mental health, social inequality, shame and addiction — and how learning, critical thinking and systemic understanding can help people move from feeling powerless to recognising their own power. This is a conversation about systems, identity and the stories we tell ourselves. It is also a deeply personal conversation about Bob’s mother, Madonna, Björk, Linda Bush and Eileen Gautier — five women who each shaped the way Bob understands authenticity, courage, power, creativity, leadership, the body and the self. Together, Julia and Bob explore what it means to move from “addict” to person, why labels can both help and limit us, how pop culture can open a portal into another world, what a first manager can do for someone’s life, and why yoga can become far more than movement. At the heart of this episode is a powerful idea: You are not powerless. You are powerful. Time Stamps 00:00 Intro 01:23 Welcome to People Are Everything 03:33 How Bob and Julia were introduced by Martin Morales 05:45 Foundation for Change and Bob’s purpose 06:43 Addiction, systems, trauma and shame 12:31 Feminist theory and addiction recovery 19:58 AA, twelve-step recovery and alternative approaches 25:12 The double-edged sword of labels 27:43 Choosing the five people who shaped Bob 29:42 Number 1: Bob’s mum 31:55 A suitcase, a sewing machine and £10 39:28 Permission to be different 41:18 Number 2: Madonna 43:12 Madonna as a portal into another world 45:47 Madonna, taboo and the power of pop culture 51:50 Number 3: Björk 56:16 Unapologetic female voices 58:56 Bringing soul into the craft 1:03:04 Number 4: Linda Bush 1:06:32 Emotional range and the first manager who changed everything 1:08:01 Holding power with care, love and respect 1:14:09 Existential philosophy and the DNA of Foundation for Change 1:15:08 Number 5: Eileen Gautier 1:17:21 Yoga is not about yoga poses 1:20:07 Movement, play and being in the body 1:22:12 Yoga as a practice of being 1:28:22 Sitting with discomfort and slow change 1:32:32 The stories we tell ourselves 1:34:14 Julia reflects on Bob’s five people 1:36:20 The feminine force and unapologetic authenticity 1:39:11 Patriarchy as a system 1:40:43 Who should Julia speak to next? 1:42:58 Final thanks Hosted by Julia Duthie. Subscribe for more long-form conversations about the people who shape who we become. Learn more about your host; get Julia's book here: https://dogbonestreet.com/ Full episode available now on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Peopleareeverything Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/people-are-everything/id1792005630 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5oobIAmo4lkewcPHdbcXbJ Follow us on socials: https://linktr.ee/peopleareeverything Thank you, People Are Everything :-) To find out more about Bob please use the links below. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-bharij-a5305742/ Foundation for Change: https://www.foundationforchange.org.uk Ashoks Fellow: https://www.ashoka.org/en-gb @peopleareeverything #PeopleAreEverything #BobBharij #JuliaDuthie #FoundationForChange #AddictionRecovery #Recovery #Feminism #Identity #Shame #Trauma #Leadership #Yoga #Madonna #Bjork #HumanStories #Podcast