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Katie Lee

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  1. 10/02/2025

    The Roman Empire made me do it

    If we’re looking for someone to blame for my latest story, we can blame the Roman Empire. I haven’t fact checked this, because so often when I fact check things the truth comes in to have a piddle on my chips, so I’m just going with what I remember learning at school which is this: none of the Roman leaders wanted the Britain gig. Being sent across the Narrow Sea to squat in a damp field with nothing in your stomach but turnip soup was hardly anyone’s idea of a good time. Growing up in Shropshire, I could easily understand how someone might find the endless mizzle and the bitter winberries wearing thin pretty swifly, especially if you’re used to the Roman light and a really good bit of underfloor heating. When it came to imagining other worlds, I didn’t have to make a huge leap when I built a place not dissimilar to the rain-soaked hillsides of my childhood. What if, I thought, what if someone was taken from an estate in Telford and relocated lightyears away in somewhere not all that dissimilar to Telford? What if it was their job to look after the people who lived there? What if those people were pretty fed up with the constant invasions, the endless threats to life and the pressing risk they’d never get to watch the final episode of their favourite TV show before their life was extinguished at the whim of yet another sociopathic warmonger? So that’s what I wrote. Maz Star: A Massive Inconvenience is here for your reading pleasure. Please also enjoy the video of me rabbiting on about it. Please feel free to share this Top Secret Project with everyone you know! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shinykatie.substack.com

    8 min
  2. Where do you get your ideas from? Part 2

    02/28/2025

    Where do you get your ideas from? Part 2

    Last week I talked about where I get my ideas from, speaking as someone who really doesn't find it easy to have ideas. If you haven’t read the piece, I can summarise it for you as follows. I get ideas by: 1. By forcing myself to sit and have ideas, often with a brief attached, and 2. By smooshing together things I’ve read about or seen into a new creation. Very rarely (ie twice), an idea will actually appear fully formed. But that’s not what happened with my first novel. When it came to writing The Man In The Wall, I had to sit and do ::handclap emoji:: the :handclap emoji:: work :handclap emoji::. (Now that I’ve written all that out, I realise I’ve used this phrase in the wrong context, since it was about doing the literal work and not some metaphorical “work” on myself.) Anyway, where was I? Oh yes. The book. I started with a simple brief: come up with a crime novel. From there, I did a lot of smooshing. Luckily, I have years of reading way too many articles, as well as an early career spent doing some very weird temp jobs. I had plenty to work with. To recycle the “how the sausage is made” analogy from last week (which absolutely no one reading this wants or deserves), here are some of the bits of pig gristle that made this particular banger. The making of The Man in The Wall One of the main protagonists of The Man In the Wall is Philippa “Phil” McGinty a young journalist who goes undercover at a company called Virtua Services to establish who killed her lovely father, Clive. Which brings me to my first bit of pig extract: 1. I listened to the Private Eye podcast Virtua Services is a business process outsourcing firm. Yes, snore, snore. Sounds thrilling, right? Well, stick with me. I’m convinced these companies purposely make their description dull so that everyone is asleep before you’ve finished saying the sentence. This means that despite the MANY pieces written by outlets like Private Eye exposing outsourcing inefficiencies and scandals, most of those companies are still going strong. One particular episode of the Private Eye podcast stayed with me. In PF-Eye back in 2016, Solomon Hughes and Jayne Mackenzie detailed the many failings of an outsource firm that ran schools, including putting in fire doors that didn’t close properly and throwing up buildings that fell down. At one eye-popping point, Jayne talked about a school in Liverpool that was closed due to low pupil numbers. But because the council had a PFI contract with an outsourcing firm, they still had to pay for the maintenance of an empty school for YEARS. I wanted to try to write about a scandal that isn’t at all sexy and, somehow, still make it interesting. The positive reviews I’ve had so far suggest I either succeeded, or I managed to make the outsourcing bits short enough that no one noticed they’d fallen asleep for a few paragraphs. 2. I read a story about a school wall that fell down in Edinburgh Part of the detail of this story was that the wrong wall ties were used in 17 schools in Scotland under a PPP contact and the wall fell down in a storm. This happens in my book too. I thought, wouldn’t it be really grim if there was a body in there? But the true tale is a story of such ineptitude that I worried this would seem a bit unbelievable, especially as it didn’t really grab the nation’s consciousness. Luckily, another c**k up wasn’t far behind, because soon enough along came the RAAC scandal and the whole country learned that the UK is lousy with unsafe school buildings. It’s kind of mad that we’re not all more furious about this. 3. I heard a really grisly story about a man in a wall Avert your eyes now, sensitive people. This is where I talk about the dead people. The central story in The Man In The Wall revolves around two bodies being found in these badly built school walls. Even worse, Clive McGinty, Phil’s dad, was alive when he fell (or was he pushed?) down into a wall cavity. It’s a grisly part of the story, and it feels a bit grim to admit it was inspired by a true story. I hope you won’t think me totally callous. Here’s what happened. My builder (also called Phil just to confuse things), works as a Health & Safety Officer (HSO) on building sites. Phil likes to tell me really horrible stories about accidents he’s seen. He told me one story about a colleague who was discovered in a cavity wall on a building site around 17 years ago. At the inquest, no one could establish why this man was there – since builders are meant to work with at least one labourer on a site, and it was a weekend when the site was closed. How he fitted in the tiny space was a mystery. Did he fall? Did he kill himself? No one knows. I looked for this story in old news reports so I could give you an original source, but couldn’t find it. I did, however, find some pretty unpleasant similar stories. Phil the builder is full of tales, so who knows what the truth is. He would say things like this happen all the time and are hushed up pretty quickly. Phil the builder, by the way, is also the inspiration for the ever-moving, ever-grumpy Doug Graves (originally called Phil Graves before I realised it was the same name as my protagonist, duh). Doug Graves is the HSO who knows more about Phil the protagonist’s dad’s death than he’s saying. Phil the builder likes to say that all HSOs are grumpy, but when he’s round our house he’s a cheeky Welsh rogue, which is lucky because he might as well live with us at this point. 4. I worked in HR Not content with expecting the reader to care about wall ties, outsourcing firms and health and safety certificates, I have also put in an awful lot of human resources. Having spent many years working with senior leaders in human resources, I should say that they're all delightful and did not inspire any of the characters. Just in case any of them are reading this. Actually the inspiration for Andrew, the ex-head of HR at Virtua Services, came from the kinds of people who write pieces on LinkedIn about the importance of diversity, equity and inclusion, but who really only like making the right noises for the ‘celebrate’ emoji reaction. In this current climate those same people are probably all over there right now doing a swift one-eighty and talking about ‘masculine energy’. Brr. 5. I had some really dodgy jobs When Phil foolishly goes undercover at Virtua Services, she finds herself doing some pretty mundane jobs. The first is sorting through customer complaint letters ahead of an external audit, and the second is working with the investigations team looking into damage done by rival contractors. (I’m really selling this book, aren’t I? It’s funny, honest.) I once spent a summer sorting through letters for a utility company ahead of their audit (with the boss coming in regularly to extract the piles that hadn’t been responded to and, presumably, rehousing them in a skip). Six of us sat in a tiny room for six weeks, reading spidery handwriting and going slowly insane. I keep meaning to get my diary out and see if I kept an account of those endless days. After that, I moved to a windowless room at a different utility firm and worked with the pipe investigations department. In the book, Mick from investigations is inspired by the only man on our team, who was actually very nice, but who was an older gentleman who had been in the army and struggled with the technology. He was also one of those tall, fit older men who could definitely take most people in a fight. Incidentally, when I was offered my first job in publishing, I felt so guilty. The pipe lot had been so effusive in praising my work and asking me if I wanted to work there forever. I apologised profusely when I handed in my notice and my boss, who was lovely (and ate only chicken slices because she was on the Atkins), stopped me and said, “Katie, in this life, you’ll learn that everyone is replaceable.” Which checked my ego pretty swiftly and has stayed with me ever since. Lol. 6. I watched Veronica Mars and Beverly Hills Cop I don’t know about you, but I’m losing steam now. I worry that I’ve started with far too much information about pipes and handwriting and left out the fun things that inspired the book. So let’s wind things up before I start negatively impacting sales and finish on this high note. Or three high notes actually: detectives Veronica Mars and Axel Foley, and Jo from Pembrokeshire. Both Veronica and Axel are hugely important to this story, but Jo was where Phil the protagonist first began. Jo is an (at the time very young) woman I met at a comedy festival who worked as a local junior journalist and photographer and got all her stories just by knowing absolutely everyone in her town. She is cheerful, personable and easy to chat to. She’s the polar opposite of me. I wanted Phil to be a character who could easily be a confidence trickster if she ever decided to use her powers for evil – ie Axel Foley or Veronica Mars (and maybe Jo too, if she fancied it). But when I wrote the first draft, I sort of forgot that. I got bogged down in the stuff about polystyrene ceiling tiles and HR and HSO reports (as I have in this email, I suppose). So I went back through the book and asked myself, ‘What would Axel Foley do here?’ Because the answer was nearly always more interesting than what Phil McGinty was doing in that first version. Hopefully, that’s why people seem to have enjoyed the book – I cut out the boring bits. Unfortunately, I need to get this email sent out because I’m late for a local Substack writers meet up (Sorry @nikatalbot I’m on my way), so I’m going to have to hit send on it warts and all. No time to do the audio, either, but check back and I’ll try to do it later today or over the weekend if you’d prefer to listen to me talking about brick ties rather than read about them. I hope you all have a lovely weekend. I’ll be in touch again

    12 min
  3. What's my favourite food and other vital questions

    01/23/2025

    What's my favourite food and other vital questions

    Hello lovely humans! I can feel a bit of email paralysis coming on again. Last time this happened, many of you were kind enough to get in touch to tell me that you were happy to hear about any old dull guff I had rattling around in my brain that week. But the existential crisis is looming once again. Why? Well, maybe it’s just part of some existential crisis loop I’m on. Maybe it has its own orbit, like Haley’s Comet, and will reappear every few months. Perhaps I should consider tracking it in a Bullet Journal to see if there’s a pattern. OR maybe it’s just that now there are people who are here for different reasons: some because they know I’ve written a crime fiction book; others because I said was publishing a comedy book and promised to keep them in the loop for a freebie. Some really liked my post about my dad making a palaver about dying. Others foolishly joined me because I did a Note about typos that made people feel seen. And let’s not forget the friends I strong-armed into signing up… Actually, no, wait. We CAN forget them because they have to subscribe. The rest of you are free to come and go as you please because I don’t have your phone numbers and can’t call you to ask you to explain yourselves. More’s the pity. Anyway, how do I plan on dealing with this little crisis in confidence? Simple. I’m just going to ignore it and carry on as usual and hope that you’ll all come along for the ride. With that in mind, here is some dull guff from my brain… Since there are some people who really just landed here by accident and may soon regret the choices that led them to this moment, I thought I would take a leaf out of Amber’s book and reintroduce myself. Luckily, I have just the thing for this. I was recently asked to do a “Meet the Author” interview for the UK Crime Book Club group on Facebook (where lovely people dwell). So, in the spirit of utter laziness, I’ve pasted it in here. The questions were set by Kath Middleton, one of the admins. Her words are in bold. I’ve added footnotes, which you can read easily by either hovering over them or clicking the number (depending on where you’re reading this). Disclaimer. This is nowhere near as interesting as Amber’s post, which I urge you to read, and not just because I come out of it looking quite good, (even if I did employ someone simply because she wrote a blog from her dog’s point of view and it was hilarious). Amber has shared a lot of herself and it’s a pretty incredible story. Maybe one day I’ll do something similarly soul-baring, but in the meantime, here is some information about what food I like. In my spotlight today is Katie Lee. I've read her crime book, due for pre-order soon, and I loved it. Katie, tell us about yourself, where you live etc. I’m the youngest of six children (five girls) and I’m the mother of two girls. My husband is the children’s author and illustrator Alex Milway. We’ve got a very friendly, very loving, very barky miniature schnauzer called Aggy. I’ve lived all over the place, but I moved to St Leonards-on-Sea near Hastings (which inspired the location for my new series), in 2020 during the Christmas lockdown. It was the best decision ever! It’s a fantastic place to live. Would you tell us about your writing journey to date? In my twenties I was a consumer technology journalist, starting on What Laptop magazine and then going on to write for most major newspapers and lots of magazines. With the confidence of youth, I co-founded the UK’s first commercial blog publishing company back in 2004, including the world’s first gadgets website for women (Shiny Shiny). We raised proper VC funding and everything. I was seen as a bit of a novelty thanks to my age and sex, which meant whenever I did an interview as a tech entrepreneur/writer I nearly always got a wink-wink-nudge-nudge question about “gadgets for girls.” Despite that, it was a very fun time to be a tech journalist: lots of press trips abroad and new tech to play with. Once, I was invited to the launch of the Queen’s website at Buckingham Palace. It was only when the footman sent us through a door and said, “It’s ma’am to rhyme with ham,” that I realised I was actually going to meet the woman in charge! I was the first one through the door and I was so shocked, I just said “Hi,” as I shook her hand. The Queen’s face lit up and she giggled, and despite thinking I was totally ambivalent to royalty, I fell in love with her on the spot. Then she had to click a mouse to open her website, which she thought was a hoot. It was all very silly. Later, I went down the client route and I’ve spent the past decade doing a lot of ghostwriting for senior executives. They don’t write anything themselves, you know! It’s been a really quiet year for that, however, and I consciously took the opportunity to finish all these books I’d half-started. It’s been scary taking the plunge, but also liberating. Back in 2016 I also had a go at screenwriting and managed to get a screen agent. I’ve been shortlisted for BAFTA Rocliffe three times (screenwriting award) and Funny Women once. I’ve developed a few TV adaptations with producers in the UK and Germany and sold an option for a very creepy horror story. I switched to books more recently as it’s very hard to get things away as a new screenwriter – especially if you’re a middle-class woman of a certain age. You’d be amazed by the things producers and agents will actually say to your face about your age and gender! I’ve been pretty lucky in that regard, but some of my friends have heard some outrageous stuff. Do you have a writing routine? My routine is to fail to write for most of the day and then berate myself for all my inadequacies before bashing out a load of words. Some days, I’ll hit peak productivity and absolutely blast through my word count, but tomorrow comes and I’ll just fritter it away reading too many articles and get behind again. Then I get eye strain and have to dictate for bit, which is brilliant and something I’m trying to get better at. I know you all know JD Kirk, who was once the children’s author Barry Hutchison. Well, I had a post-it note on my computer for a long time that said, “Be More Barry,” in a bid to channel his insane productivity levels, but eventually I had to conclude that being a flakey daydreamer is congenital and I’ve actually been more productive since I accepted that. Any favourite or go-to authors whose work you admire? I’m a sucker for crime writers who give a lot of interior lives stuff. People like Belinda Bauer and Kate Atkinson and Lisa Jewell. Outside the world of crime, I worship Hilary Mantel, Susanna Clark and Elizabeth Strout. As a teen, all I read was fantasy, so Tolkien and Mervyn Peake were huge for me. And recently I’ve been reading everything I can by Adrian Tchaichovsky. Oh, and I think Janice Hallet is so clever. Hallet and Bauer both switched from screenwriting to crime (and I’m sure I could guess why), so they’re big inspirations. I’d pay to be even half as good as them. And I couldn’t not mention the ex-kids’/YA author gang, including JD Kirk, David Gatward, Alex Smith, TG Reid, William Hussey and the whole crew. Watching their meteoric rises has been a proper thrill and privilege. They all know how to tell a good story. Why crime? If you’d asked me five years ago, I’d have said I wasn’t interested in crime. But I saw so many of my husband’s peers exploring it and I started reading their work. And it was all great! Then I realised that of course I’d already read crime – Sherlock Holmes and Agatha Christie and Kate Atkinson etc. Even something like the Gormenghast trilogy is crime in some ways. I think people are often really resistant to trying different genres, but it’s a mistake! I know that mentioning sci-fi immediately puts people off, for example, but a good story is a good story. I’ll try anything now. Plotter or Pantser? I’m a reformed pantster. I started writing the first chapter of my first crime novel and just carried on from there. Terrible idea! It took me far too long. Then, for reasons of sheer insanity, I decided to write the prequel, and that turned into another plotting nightmare since I created continuity errors that I had to go back to the other book to fix. After that chaos, I took a break and wrote a comedy sci-fi that I forced myself to sit and plot first. Thanks to that, it only took me a couple of months to write. It helped when I realised plotting doesn’t actually have to be a strict structural thing: it can be as simple as just writing down everything you know so far. I just splurge it all out and it’s amazing how much more starts appearing and how the pathways open up. I’m not an organised person, so I don’t hold myself to any of it. I can change as I go, but getting down everything I know first is surprisingly similar to putting together a good basic plot. Let’s hope the third crime book goes more smoothly now I’ve reformed my ways. Any hobbies apart from writing? Oh god, too many. I sometimes get stressed about how many hobbies I have! I have a home veg plot AND recently took on an allotment. I have a very neglected YouTube channel about it. I sew, crochet and knit. I read a lot – not enough books and too many articles. Substack is an addiction (reading them and writing my own). I like cryptic crosswords. I do visible mending on clothes. I really need to stop doing things that use my eyes. Thank god for audiobooks. Favourite food and drink? My dad was an Anglo-Indian from Pakistan. Curry is a vital component of my life. My husband’s been making this amazing sweet and sour Sri Lankan fried paneer curry recently that is out of this world. The boiling water tap we got recently means I just mainline different teas. My friend got me a Pukka tea advent calendar, which was the perfe

    12 min
  4. 01/04/2025

    I reckon I could take Paddington in a fight

    Happy New Year one and all! I had such big plans. All Christmas I’ve been mentally composing a list of the most implausible moments in the festive fantasy that was Black Doves (number one obviously being the idea that Keira Knightley and Ben Whishaw – delightful though they are – could take ANYONE AT ALL in a fight), but I never quite got the chance to write it, and now it feels like the moment has passed. After all, it’s a show about how a stay-at-home mother goes AWOL during the entire run up to Christmas, spends all her time wandering the famously empty streets of London brandishing weapons, waltzes into the American embassy like it’s a Waitrose, presses her fingerprints into every surface she meets and tosses DNA about like it’s tinsel – and yet somehow still gets all the presents wrapped before Christmas Eve. I don’t know about you, but as soon as Christmas is over, anything Christmassy immediately feels too rich for my blood. I will drink Advocaat like a brandy-custard-loving fiend all Advent long, but after New Year’s Eve the idea of an alcoholic eggy drink leaves me faintly bilious. Luckily, I’ve always finished the entire bottle by then so it’s not a problem. So, I didn’t get round to writing the Black Doves piece and now, like the sherry, it must be put in a dark cupboard and left to gather dust, but I DID play an awful lot of Stardew Valley, and we also – Christmas miracle! – managed to turn our building site of a house into a respectable space in time for the festivities. Eat that, Knightley. You’re not the only one who didn’t wrinkle a brow getting the decorations up. But wait, there’s more! Even more miraculous was the fact that I GOT MY BOOK OUT! The Man In The Wall by KJ Lyttleton (me) is OUT NOW!! Book one in the Aldhill Mysteries series is available via Amazon for the low, low price of £1.99 on Kindle. Here’s the blurbage: Journalist Phil McGinty knows her stepdad Clive didn’t kill himself on a school building site seven years ago. Now she’s got five days working undercover to prove it. Meanwhile, DS Jen Collet has her own mystery to solve. A body has fallen out of another school wall, but Jen’s superiors seem strangely unwilling to connect this murder to the death of Clive McGinty. With Jen’s bosses closing ranks and Phil’s time running out, two investigators from different worlds must navigate political scheming and corporate cover-ups to get to the truth The Man In The Wall already has two five-star reviews by genuine readers who aren’t related to me or under any kind of friendship obligation. Can you believe that?! Here’s some more feedback from the lovely Beta readers: ‘I absolutely LOVED IT. I found it gripping but relatable. All in all, you're on my list of favourite crime authors!’ ‘Deep into it. Loving it.’ ‘I enjoyed the book! Most of all I liked your interior monologue pieces which really brought the characters to life.’ ‘Absolutely loved it, I really wasn't expecting how it turned out. Like a book that keeps me guessing and has plenty of twists.’ So there you go! Proper crime readers liked it, which I will NEVER get tired of reminding myself. You can buy your copy here. Not a subscriber? Rectify this terrible error by supplying your favourite email address: Just time for one more Christmas miracle Aggy the dog, not content with trying to kill herself once already this year, tried again just as we were leaving my sister’s house before Christmas. After a morning of puking and dooking, we took a risk that the worst was over and headed off down the M6. More fool us. God bless the girls, who caught the first load of vomit in a plastic bag with the cool dexterity of children who have been through this before (and still tell visitors about the time the dog vomited up a cat poo in the car and the youngest caught it in a tupperware). Shortly after that, the dog was good enough to give us fair warning about the emergency evacuation about to take place at the other end, so we pulled over for the third time and I started googling for vets along the M6. All I can say is that vets in Cheshire are lovely and Aggy ended up being very well looked after. As usual, we have no idea what caused the outbreak, but it was almost certainly something she’d hoovered up off the floor at some point. Here she is in the car a few hours after the anti-vom medication, still looking a little disappointed in herself. This period of introspection was short-lived. This is the fourth time she has tried to see herself off, but apparently no lessons have been learned. Just yesterday she ate something unidentified at the bus stop. If Aggy had a motto it would certainly be #NoRegrets. Right then, that’s enough talk of unpleasant things. Have a lovely rest of the weekend. Please do buy my book, I’ll love you forever. Bye! Katie “KJ Lyttleton” Lee PS. If you’re subscribed because you’re keen on reading the comedy sci-fi, stay tuned for more news on that soon. PPS. There was a WHALE in the sea at St Leonards yesterday. Can you believe it? I saw the huge splash, but not the creature itself, sadly. And then, thinking I must have imagined it, we went home, only to discover loads of people had seen it larking about like a big attention-seeker. Oh, how I wish I’d been there to give it all my attention. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shinykatie.substack.com

    7 min

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