Ten Across Conversations

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Ten Across Conversations examines pressing issues impacting communities along the U.S. Interstate 10 corridor. From Jacksonville, Florida to Los Angeles, California, this region provides a compelling and comprehensive window into the major challenges and opportunities of the 21st century in their most extreme. Join founder and executive director, Wellington “Duke” Reiter, as he chats with subject experts bringing unique insights and new ways of thinking to reveal our collective capacity to create a more resilient future. For more information about the Ten Across Initiative visit www.10across.com.

  1. 1d ago

    The Water We Have: Data Centers, Growth, and the Colorado River Basin with Sarah Porter

    As water scarcity intensifies across the Colorado River Basin, public attention has increasingly focused on data centers, AI, and the growing demand for resources in the Sun Belt. But are these technologies really driving the region's water challenges—or is the story more complicated? In this episode of Ten Across Conversations, host Duke Reiter speaks with water policy expert Sarah Porter about the realities behind water use in the American West. Porter explains why shortages on the Colorado River are rooted as much in decades of over-allocation and management decisions as in climate change, and why common assumptions about population growth, urban development, and industrial water consumption often miss the mark. The conversation explores the rise of data centers, the public concerns surrounding their water and energy demands, and the challenges communities face in balancing economic development with long-term resilience. Porter also offers a candid assessment of Arizona's water future, the difficult choices ahead, and why protecting groundwater, improving efficiency, and developing new water supplies will be critical for sustaining growth in an increasingly arid region. A thoughtful and timely discussion about water, technology, public perception, and the decisions that will shape the future of the Ten Across geography. Relevant Articles and Resources  The Kyl Center for Water Policy at the Morrison Institute Arizona Water Blueprint Report: From Copper Cattle and Cotton to Chips and Cloud Computing: Large Water Uses in Central Arizona. (Kyl Center for Water Policy. February 2026) Arizona Becomes Bellwether In Debate Over Data Centers’ Growing Demand Of Power And Water. (International Business Times. June 18 2026) Arizona Data Center Tax Incentive Pause Signed by Governor Hobbs. (Bloomberg Tax. June 15 2026) Tensions Are Rising Among States That Rely on the Colorado River. (New York Times. June 15, 2026) Groundwater supplies in the Colorado River basin are falling fast. Is there a solution? (WBUR. June 15, 2026) What's more important, Arizona, building houses or water? (Rhett Larson for The Arizona Republic, May 2026) Relevant Ten Across Conversations Podcasts  Why 2026 Will Decide the Future of Water in the West, with Rhett Larson (June 4, 2026) The Hard Decisions Ahead for Lower Basin Colorado River States with guest Terry Goddard (December 5, 2025) Latest Deadpool Projections Inject New Urgency into Colorado River Negotiations with guests Kathryn Sorensen and Sarah Porter (September 19, 2025) Understanding Groundwater Risks in the Southwest with Jay Famiglietti (June 6, 2025) Checking in on Tense Colorado River Negotiations with Anne Castle and John Fleck (April 10, 2025) Episode Credits  Host: Duke Reiter Audio Production: Louie Duran Research and support provided by: Kate Carefoot, Rae Ulrich, and Sabine Butler

    48 min
  2. Jun 4

    Why 2026 Will Decide the Future of Water in the West, with Rhett Larson

    As the Colorado River approaches a pivotal moment facing historically low flows and record-breaking shortages, decisions made in 2026 will help determine the future of water, energy, and economic security across the American West. Today, Ten Across Conversations shares an episode from Arizona State University's Labcoat Optional podcast, featuring Ten Across friend and water law expert Rhett Larson. With existing Colorado River operating agreements approaching expiration, stakeholders across seven states, tribal nations, and two countries are grappling with how to manage a resource that faces increasing pressure from aridification and competing demands. Larson explains why these negotiations are among the most consequential water policy discussions in decades and what they reveal about the challenges ahead for communities throughout the Southwest. Drawing connections between water governance, urban development, climate adaptation, and regional resilience, Lab Coat Optional host Pete Zroika chats with Larson to explore how long-foreseen challenges in the Colorado River Basin are becoming a present-day reality—and why rethinking our assumptions about growth and sustainability may be essential for the future. Guest Bio Rhett Larson is a Professor of Law and the Richard Morrison Professor of Water Law at the Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law, where his research focuses on the impact of technological innovation on water rights regimes, particularly transboundary waters, and the sustainability implications of a human right to water. He specializes in dispute resolution and improved processes in water rights adjudications in Arizona and the Colorado River Basin. Professor Larson also practiced environmental and natural resource law with law firms in Arizona, focusing on water rights, water quality, and real estate transactions. Relevant Articles and Resources  What's more important, Arizona, building houses or water? (Rhett Larson for The Arizona Republic, May 2026) Agencies in 3 states sign MOU to share water across dry Colorado River basin (Times of San Diego, June 2026) West prepares for extreme measures to relieve pressure on Colorado River (Marketplace, May 2026) Explore the Kyl Center’s Arizona Water Blueprint to find out the source of your water Just Add Water: Solving the World's Problems Using its Most Precious Resource by Rhett B. Larson (Oxford University Press) Day Zero: How Cities Run Out of Water by Rhett B. Larson (Cambridge University Press, forthcoming 2027) Relevant Ten Across Conversations Podcasts The Hard Decisions Ahead for Lower Basin Colorado River States with guest Terry Goddard (December 5, 2025)Latest Deadpool Projections Inject New Urgency into Colorado River Negotiations with guests Kathryn Sorensen and Sarah Porter (September 19, 2025)Understanding Groundwater Risks in the Southwest with Jay Famiglietti (June 6, 2025)Checking in on Tense Colorado River Negotiations with Anne Castle and John Fleck (April 10, 2025) Episode Credits Ten Across Conversations Host: Duke ReiterAudio Production: Louie DuranResearch and support provided by: Kate Carefoot, Rae Ulrich, and Sabine Butler  Lab Coat Optional is a production of the Strategic Marketing and Communications team at Arizona State University’s Knowledge Enterprise.  Executive produced by Kate HowellsProduced by Alexander Chapin and Pete ZriokaHosted and reported by Pete ZriokaShot by Alexander ChapinEdited by Quinton Kendall and Alexander ChapinOriginal music from Patrick CheungMotion graphics by Andy RamosArt by Andy Keena and Sophia Franz

    54 min
  3. May 1

    Part Four: Two Texas Cities that Are Reexamining Data Center Deals

    As artificial intelligence has grown globally, so has the construction of immense, resource-intensive data centers. The arrival of these projects-- both the facilities and the powerful tech companies behind them-- in communities throughout the U.S. has created some controversy. Ten Across cities like Tucson, El Paso and San Antonio have made headlines recently for community resistance to development deals that might strain local resources in exchange for uncertain or marginal economic benefits.   In the fourth and final installment in this series on the nexus of Texas water, energy, and growth, host Duke Reiter looks at what these stories can tell us about similar scenarios playing out in the Ten Across region and in the nation at large. He is joined by San Antonio District 6 Councilmember Ric Galvan and Robert Moore, founder of the nonprofit newsroom El Paso Matters, to discuss:   The importance of preventing “develop-by-right” policies and preferential treatment toward private industry from permitting data center developments at significant expense to local communitiesThe value of intentional partnership between local utilities and governments when evaluating resource-intensive land use proposalsWhat the AI boom may mean—for better and for worse—for the future of local economic development and job growth   Stay until the end of the episode for takeaways from the rest of the series and for the Interstate 10 corridor as a whole. Missed an episode? Get caught up on parts 1-3, linked below. Relevant Articles and Resources   “San Antonio looks to create tailor-made model for data center growth” (Community Impact, March 2026) “El Paso Electric filings detail power plant impact behind Meta’s $10 billion data center” (El Paso Matters, March 2026)   “’We can’t do this a lot’: El Paso Water CEO warns as questions grow over Meta data center’s water use” (El Paso Matters, December 2025)   “Podcast: We discuss Northeast El Paso data center, tax breaks for Meta, city’s economic future” (El Paso Matters, December 2025)   “Tucson City Council rejects Project Blue data center amid intense community pressure” (Arizona Luminaria, August 2025)   Local Data Center Development Guides Produced by Friends of Ten Across “The Data Center Next Door” (USC Annenberg Center for Climate Journalism and Communication, April 2026)   “Turning the data center boom into long-term, local prosperity” (Brookings, February 2026)   Relevant Ten Across Conversations Podcasts   Texas Series Trailer   Part One: Can Texas Drought-Proof Its Economic Miracle?   Part Two: Does Texas Have the Water Support an AI Boom?   Part Three: Oil Wars, Nuclear, and AI—Can Texas Power America’s Future?   Credits Host: Duke Reiter Writer and producer: Taylor Griffith Editor: Kate Carefoot Research and support provided by: Rae Ulrich, Kelly Saunders, Maya Chari, and Sabine Butler   About our guests Ric Galvan represents District 6 on San Antonio’s City Council. Prior to that, he was a District 5 staff member and President of the Piper Meadow neighborhood association. At 25, he is among the youngest members ever elected to the council.    Robert Moore is the founder and CEO of El Paso Matters. He has been a journalist in the Texas Borderlands since 1986.

    31 min
  4. Apr 9

    Part Three: Oil Wars, Nuclear, and AI — Can Texas Power America's Future?

    As conflict in the Persian Gulf threatens global oil supplies and artificial intelligence drives unprecedented demand for electricity, Texas is in a race to unlock the full potential of its diverse and deregulated grid. The path it chooses may arguably shape the U.S. economy and global energy markets.   In this third episode of our series on Texas water, energy, and growth, host Duke Reiter is joined by UT Austin professor, author, and global energy consultant, Dr. Michael E. Webber and president of the Texas Nuclear Alliance, Reed Clay to discuss:   How the U.S.-Israel-Iran war has sent the world reaching for U.S. oil and natural gas and what this means for TexasHow Texas came to lead the nation in renewable energy generation in the years following Winter Storm Uri, despite the rhetoric What makes Texas a leading contender in the U.S. for a nuclear energy renaissanceWhy surging AI-driven energy demand could accelerate the clean energy transition, not slow it down   Relevant Articles and Resources   “US LNG exports break record high as Middle East war disrupts global supply” (Reuters, April 2026)   “A Texas City Faces Water Crisis as Big Oil and Gas Use Most of It” (Truthout, March 2026)   “Is the US headed toward an electricity crisis of its own making?” (Canary Media, January 2026)   “Texas’ power grid weathered another winter storm. Is it ready for the future?” (Texas Tribune, January 2026)   “Trump, atoms, AI and the Texas data center gusher” (Politico, January 2026)   “New U.S. nuclear power boom begins with old, still-unresolved problem: What to do with radioactive waste” (CNBC, November 2025)   “Texas renewable energy grid defies Trump’s claims on solar and wind” (Power Technology, July 2025)   The Timeline and Events of the February 2021 Texas Electric Grid Blackouts (University of Texas at Austin)   Final Report on February 2021 Freeze Underscores Winterization Recommendations (Federal Energy Regulatory Commission)   Relevant Ten Across Conversations Podcasts   Part One: Can Texas Drought-Proof Its Economic Miracle?   Part Two: Does Texas Have the Water to Support an AI Boom?   Credits  Host: Duke Reiter Writer and producer: Taylor Griffith Editor: Kate Carefoot Research and support provided by: Rae Ulrich, Kelly Saunders, Maya Chari, and Sabine Butler   About our guests Reed Clay is president of the Texas Nuclear Alliance. Prior to that, Reed was the Chief Operating Officer of Texas under Governor Greg Abbott and the founder of the government affairs consulting firm Crestline Group. He is also an experienced litigator and founding partner of Clay Scott LLP, with prior experience in the U.S. Department of Justice and Texas Attorney General’s Office.   Dr. Michael E. Webber is the Sid Richardson Chair in the LBJ School of Public Affairs and the Cockrell Family Chair #16 in the department of mechanical engineering at the University of Texas at Austin. Prior to that, Michael served as CTO of Energy Impact Partners and Chief Science and Technology Officer at ENGIE, a global energy company. Michael has authored or co-authored more than 600 publications, including the book “Power Trip: the Story of Energy” and “Thirst for Power: Energy, Water, and Human Survival,” both of which, were developed into award-winning documentaries.

    33 min
  5. Mar 12

    Part Two: Does Texas Have the Water to Support an AI Boom?

    Texas has emerged as a frontrunner in President Trump’s push for U.S. dominance in artificial intelligence and is poised to become the nation’s top data center market. With data centers rapidly scaling across Texas, the state is emerging as a bellwether for the nation—highlighting how rapid, resource intensive AI-driven growth can outpace infrastructure planning and strain limited resources.   In this second episode of our series on how present choices in water, energy and growth will shape the future in Texas, host Duke Reiter is joined by water policy expert Dr. Margaret Cook of the Houston Advanced Research Center and Texas Monthly contributor Christopher Collins to explore:   Why state-level water policy may struggle to keep pace with rapid industry changes   How energy and water demands are conjoined in data infrastructure How state and local legislators can support transparency in data center development How unregulated competition between industries and communities over constrained resources can go wrong   Relevant Articles and Resources  “A Conservative Cowboy Town Embraces the AI Revolution” (Texas Monthly, February 2026)    “Thirsty Data and the Lone Star State: The Impact of Data Center Growth on Texas’ Water Supply” (Houston Advanced Research Center, January 2026)   “How Americans view data centers’ impact in key areas, from the environment to jobs” (Pew Research Center, March 2026)  “Texas regulators will ask data centers to begin reporting their water usage” (KXAN, March 2026)   “Texans are demanding their local governments push pause on data centers. Can they?” (KWTX, February 2026)   “Questions about electricity, water use swirl Stargate data center in Abilene” (Abilene Reporter News, October 2025)   Relevant Ten Across Conversations Podcasts   Part One: Can Texas Drought-Proof Its Economic Miracle?   AI Series: Balancing AI Infrastructure Resource Demands   Credits Host: Duke Reiter Written and produced by: Taylor Griffith Edited by: Kate Carefoot Research and support provided by: Rae Ulrich, Kelly Saunders, Maya Chari, and Sabine Butler   Guest Bios:   Christopher Collins is a freelance writer, editor, and Texas Monthly contributor based in Abilene, Texas.   Margaret Cook is vice president of water and community resilience at the Houston Advanced Research Center and the author of a new white paper, entitled “Thirsty Data and the Lone Star State: The Impact of Data Center Growth on Texas’ Water Supply.” With a doctorate in civil engineering, a masters in environmental and water resources engineering, and a bachelors in civil engineering, she is among the first in the state of Texas to quantify and recommend legislation for addressing current and projected data center water demands.

    29 min
  6. Feb 5

    Part One: Can Texas Drought-Proof Its Economic Miracle?

    Everything’s bigger in Texas, including a water crisis. According to the Texas Water Development Board, population and industrial demand could outpace existing supply by 7 million acre-feet by 2070—an amount equal to the current annual water demand of the entire state of Arizona.   Last November, Texas voters approved the largest investment in water infrastructure in the state’s history: $20 billion over 20 years. But is this enough to address current needs and ongoing rapid growth?   In the first part of our series on how present choices in water, energy and growth will shape the future in Texas, we’ll explore:   How cities like Corpus Christi are facing impossible trade-offs between the needs of industry and residents  Why a 100-year-old “Rule of Capture” is sparking battles over groundwater exports   -       Whether Texas can balance its booming $2.7 trillion economy with the inescapable realities of water constraints         Why is this relevant for the Ten Across region and the NationThis episode features conversations with Texas State hydrologist Robert Mace, Texas 2036 policy director Jeremy Mazur, and real estate broker and water law professor Charles Porter.   Relevant Articles and Resources   “Inside the Fight for Texas’s Most Precious Resource” (Texas Monthly, September 2025)   “Running Out: Texas’ water — and the path forward” (The Texas Tribune Staff, September 2025)   “Texas tried to address its water crisis in the ‘60s. A new proposal echoes that historical debate” (Texas Standard, April 2025)   “The Impossibly Expensive Plan to Save Texas’s Water Supply” (Texas Monthly, April 2025)   Assessing Texas’ Water Infrastructure Needs (Jeremy Mazur, Texas 2036)   “Drawing Straws” (Texas Monthly, July 2012)   Relevant Ten Across Conversations Podcasts   Understanding Groundwater Risks in the Southwest with Jay Famiglietti   The Future of Water is Here: Are We Ready?   Credits Host: Duke Reiter Written, produced, and edited by: Taylor Griffith  Episode concept provided by: Kate Carefoot  Research and support provided by: Rae Ulrich, Kelly Saunders, and Sabine Butler   About our guests Robert Mace is the executive director of the Meadows Center for Water and the Environment and professor of practice in the Department of Geography & Environmental Studies at Texas State University. He previously worked at the Texas Water Development Board for 18 years, rising to become the Deputy Executive Administrator for Water Science and Conservation. He holds a B.S. in geophysics, M.S. in hydrology and a Ph.D. in hydrogeology.   Jeremy Mazur is the director of Infrastructure and Natural Resources Policy at Texas 2036. During the 88th Texas Legislature, he supported policy expanding Texas’s financial strategy for developing water infrastructure, establishing regulatory frameworks for hydrogen energy, and, among other initiatives, incentivizing regional solutions for water utilities. He is currently leading a scenario-based assessment of how different energy portfolio pathways contribute to state economic growth, regional water market development, and responses to extreme weather.   Charles Porter is a leading Texas water rights authority, real estate broker and author of multiple books including Water Rights and Policies in the United States. He serves on the National Association of Realtors Board of Directors, has testified as expert witness over 600 times, and successfully sponsored legislation requiring groundwater conservation district disclosure in all Texas residential real estate transactions.

    27 min
  7. 12/19/2025

    2025 Ten Across Podcast Year in Review

    This 2025 Ten Across podcast year in review takes a deep dive into the critical issues shaping the future of the Interstate 10 corridor.   We’ve curated a series of interview clips and reflections that will examine contemporary U.S. climate, economic, and governance-related concerns as presented along this transect. From rising risks in insurance markets to the shifting responsibilities for disaster recovery, we’ll examine the urgent need for proactive solutions.   Some of the key questions we tackle include:         Can insurance remain affordable and accessible in an era of escalating climate risks? As disaster recovery moves to state and local levels, do these agencies have the capacity to handle increasing demands? On the twentieth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, what lesson have we learned and how are they shaping our adaptation efforts today?   Tune in for a thought-provoking recap and discussion that offers valuable insights into how we can better prepare for and mitigate the impacts of climate change.   Featured podcasts by order of appearance in this recording:    10X Convergence: The Region’s Experts Convene to Address the Insurability Crisis   The Future of Insurability: New Approaches and Mindsets   Mississippi River Mayors Coalesce to Address Shared Climate Risks Why the Ten Across Geography Needs FEMA with Dr. Samantha Montano   Extreme Heat Has Only Just Begun: How Prepared is the U.S.?      Katrina’s 20th: Vann R. Newkirk II on What We Owe Climate Disaster Survivors Today   Katrina’s 20th: Jeff Hébert on Community Recovery and Resilience   Credits Host: Duke Reiter Producer and editor: Taylor Griffith Research and support provided by: Kate Carefoot, Rae Ulrich, and Sabine Butler

    29 min

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Ten Across Conversations examines pressing issues impacting communities along the U.S. Interstate 10 corridor. From Jacksonville, Florida to Los Angeles, California, this region provides a compelling and comprehensive window into the major challenges and opportunities of the 21st century in their most extreme. Join founder and executive director, Wellington “Duke” Reiter, as he chats with subject experts bringing unique insights and new ways of thinking to reveal our collective capacity to create a more resilient future. For more information about the Ten Across Initiative visit www.10across.com.