Small College America

Dean Hoke

Small College America is a podcast series that presents critical discussions at the forefront by interviewing small college higher education leaders, policy experts, and innovators. The podcast will delve into the evolving role of small colleges, their economic impact, innovative strategies for sustainability, and how they can continue to provide a highly personalized educational experience. The series is co-hosted by Dean Hoke, Co-Founder of Edu Alliance Group and a Senior Fellow with the Sagamore Institute, and Kent Barnds, Executive Vice President for Strategy & Innovation and Vice President of Enrollment & Communication for Augustana College.

  1. Inside the Presidential Search Process: Jay Lemons President of Academic Search

    4D AGO

    Inside the Presidential Search Process: Jay Lemons President of Academic Search

    Welcome to Small College America, a podcast dedicated to exploring the role and value of small colleges in the higher education landscape. I'm Dean Hoke, and I’m joined by my co-host, Kent Barnds.   Kent:  Joining us today is Dr. L. Jay Lemons, President of Academic Search since 2017, following 25 years as a college president in both public and private higher education. He previously served as President of Susquehanna University and as Chancellor of the University of Virginia’s College at Wise, leading both institutions through significant periods of growth and institutional advancement.   A committed advocate for leadership development, Dr. Lemons works closely with new and aspiring presidents through programs with the American Association of State Colleges and Universities, the Council of Independent Colleges, and the American Academic Leadership Institute. His experience guiding institutions and mentoring senior leaders shapes his work at Academic Search, where he supports colleges and universities in identifying and developing effective leadership.   Jay is also the Podcast host of Leaders on Leadership, which you can find on Apple, Spotify, and many others.  Interview Questions are projected 27-30 minutes. We expect to ask six questions. About 4-5 minutes per question Question 1: From Presidency to Search Leadership Dean: Jay, you spent 25 years as a college president before moving into executive search. What did you learn about the presidency only after you started helping boards hire presidents?  • What do presidents misunderstand about boards? Question 2: The Changing Presidency Kent: When you became president in the early 2000s, the job looked very different from what it does today. What has changed most dramatically?  Question 3: The Small College Reality Check Dean: Small private colleges face enrollment volatility, tuition discount pressure, and demographic headwinds. When boards begin a search today, how honest are they about their institution’s financial and enrollment realities?  Question 4: What Boards Say They Want vs. What They Actually Need Kent: In search profiles, boards often list many must-have traits. From your experience, what are the three that actually determine success at a small college? Follow-ups: • Are boards over-prioritizing charisma?  Question 5: The Candidate Pipeline Dean: Where are tomorrow’s small-college presidents coming from?  • Are provosts still the dominant pathway, or are we seeing more CFOs, advancement leaders, or nontraditional candidates? Question 6: Closing — Advice to Boards and Aspiring Presidents Kent: If you could give one piece of advice to a small-college board beginning a presidential search tomorrow, what would it be?  Closing Dean: Jay, thank you for helping us better understand not just how presidents are hired, but what it really takes to lead a small college in this moment. Your experience, both as a longtime president and now as a mentor to the next generation, gives our listeners a rare and trusted perspective. For those listening or viewing, if you'd like to learn more about Small College America, go to our web page at www.smallcollegeamerica.net, where you can find details on upcoming episodes, contact us, and suggest topics you’d like us to cover. Also, I encourage you to subscribe to our series on your favorite podcast network, This episode of Small College America is made possible with underwriting support from Edu Alliance Group — a higher education consulting firm that champions small colleges and the communities they serve. On behalf of our guest, Dr. Jay Lemons, my co-host Kent Barnds, and I, thank you for joining us.

    26 min
  2. Wes Brooks, Vice President for Student Life at Augustana College — Inside the Work of Student Life Leaders

    MAR 10

    Wes Brooks, Vice President for Student Life at Augustana College — Inside the Work of Student Life Leaders

    Dean Hoke: “Welcome to Small College America, a podcast dedicated to exploring the role and value of small colleges in the higher education landscape. I'm Dean Hoke, and I’m joined by my co-host, Kent Barnds.   Kent:  We have joining us today, Dr. Wes Brooks, who serves as Vice President and Dean of Student Life at Augustana College, where he leads a wide portfolio supporting student success, including residential life, athletics, counseling services, public safety, and campus engagement. Known for his energetic, student-centered leadership style, Wes plays a key role in shaping campus culture and advancing holistic student development. Before joining Augustana, he held leadership roles at Iowa Wesleyan University, Wartburg College, and Grand View University—even spending time early in his career as an assistant men’s basketball coach. Wes earned his bachelor’s degree from Grand View and both his master’s and Ph.D. in higher education from Iowa State University.  Outside of work, he enjoys family time, coaching youth sports, golf, and theater—bringing that same enthusiasm into everything he does on campus   Question 1: Career Path and Role Dean: Wes, how did you enter the field of student life, and what drew you to this work?  Follow-Up: For listeners who may not fully understand the scope of the position, how would you describe what a Vice President for Student Life does at a college like Augustana?   Question 2: Mental Health Kent: Across higher education, we keep hearing that student mental health needs have grown significantly. From where you sit at a small college like Augustana, what has changed the most — and how has that reshaped the work of Student Life? Follow-Up: When students arrive at a small college, what’s one challenge that catches both the students and their parents by surprise — something they rarely anticipate going in? Question 3: Retention Role Dean: Wes, At many small private colleges, persistence isn’t driven only by academics — it’s closely connected to belonging and engagement. From your perspective, how does your division influence whether students stay and succeed? Follow-up: Is there a point in that first semester when you can usually sense whether a student is likely to persist — and what signals do you watch for? Question 4: Misconception About Student Life Kent: If you had to name the single biggest misconception about Student Life at small colleges, what would it be? Possible Follow-Up - What’s something your team does every day that most faculty, administrators, or trustees never see? Question 5: Sector-Wide Challenge  Dean: What’s one student-life challenge today that you think higher education as a whole still hasn’t figured out how to solve? Question 6: Future  Kent: Looking ahead five years, how do you see the role of student life — and your own position — evolving as colleges continue to face enrollment, financial, and student-experience pressures?       Closing Dean: Wes, thank you for joining us today and for giving our listeners such a clear look at how student life at Augustana supports students’ well-being, belonging, and long-term success. For those listening or viewing, if you'd like to learn more about Small College America, visit our website at www.smallcollegeamerica.net, where you can find details on upcoming episodes, contact us, and suggest topics you’d like us to cover. Also, we encourage you to subscribe to the show via YouTube, Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast device.  This episode of Small College America is made possible with underwriting support from Edu Alliance Group — a higher education consulting firm that champions small colleges and the communities they serve. On behalf of our guest, Wes Brooks, my co-host Kent Barnds, and I, thank you for joining us.

    30 min
  3. John Gotanda, President Hawaii Pacific University Leading a Global, Military-Connected University

    MAR 3

    John Gotanda, President Hawaii Pacific University Leading a Global, Military-Connected University

    Welcome to Small College America, a podcast dedicated to exploring the role and value of small colleges in the higher education landscape. I'm Kent Barnds, and I’m joined by my co-host, Dean Hoke.   John Gotanda is President of Hawaii Pacific University, the largest private university in Hawai'i, where he leads efforts to strengthen HPU's global identity, expand international partnerships, and advance student success across its diverse, multicultural community. Born and raised in Hawai'i, John brings both deep local roots and a strong international perspective to his leadership. Before becoming president, he spent nearly three decades at Villanova University School of Law, serving in roles from Professor to Dean. As a scholar, John is internationally recognized for his work on damages in international law, with research cited by courts worldwide, including the U.S. Supreme Court. He is a graduate of the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa and the William S. Richardson School of Law. And as a fun fact, John is an accomplished musician and songwriter whose work has been nominated for Hawai'i's  NahHoku HanoHano Awards Question 1: Tell our audience about Hawaii Pacific University, the student profile, and what makes it different from other colleges? Are your undergraduate students the traditional 18-24 demographic, and what majors are they seeking?Question 2: John, the classic town-and-gown story in American higher education is about a college and its surrounding community becoming so intertwined that it's hard to say where one ends and the other begins. At Hawaii Pacific, it seems like you have a version of that story, but instead of a town, your partner is the U.S. military. Tell our audience about that relationship?Question 3: HPU attracts students from Hawaiʻi — both from high schools and military personnel based on the island — as well as the mainland and internationally. How do you think about balancing those different student markets, and has that mix changed in recent yearsQuestion 4: Many smaller private colleges struggle to differentiate themselves, but HPU has made some clear choices — a strong graduate portfolio, major programs in nursing, business, and professional fields. How deliberately has the university aligned its academic offerings with workforce needs in Hawaiʻi and the Pacific, and what led you to lean into that strategy?Question 5: You didn’t come up through the usual academic ladder; your career started in law, moved into legal education, and ultimately brought you back home to lead HPU. What did each of those chapters teach you about leadership that you rely on today as a university president?Question 6: Hawaiʻi Pacific operates in a unique space; an urban, globally connected university with strong professional and graduate programs. Looking five years ahead, what gives you the most confidence about HPU's future — and about the evolving role of smaller private universities in today's higher education landscape? Also John HPU’s future also includes new campus outside of Hawaii. Can you tell our audience about HPU and Las Vegas  Closing John, thank you for joining us today and for giving our listeners such a clear window into Hawai‘i Pacific University — from its global, military-connected student community to the way the university has aligned its programs with workforce needs across the Pacific. For those listening or viewing, if you'd like to learn more about Small College America, go to our web page at www.smallcollegeamerica.net, where you can find details on upcoming episodes, contact us, and suggest topics you’d like us to cover. This episode of Small College America is made possible with underwriting support from Edu Alliance Group — a higher education consulting firm that champions small colleges and the communities they serve. On behalf of our guest, President John Gotanda, my co-host Dean Hoke, and I, thank you for joining us.

    29 min
  4. Why Small Colleges Struggle with Enrollment — and How to Fix It (with Carnegie’s Eric Page)

    FEB 24

    Why Small Colleges Struggle with Enrollment — and How to Fix It (with Carnegie’s Eric Page)

    Welcome to Small College America, a podcast dedicated to exploring the role and value of small colleges in higher education. I'm Dean Hoke, and I’m joined by my co-host, Kent Barnds. Eric Page is Chief Client Officer at Carnegie—Higher Ed Marketing & Enrollment, where he leads strategy and solutions that help colleges and universities navigate complex enrollment, marketing, and institutional challenges. With more than 15 years of experience in higher education communications, enrollment strategy, and marketing, Eric blends data-informed planning with innovative storytelling and digital engagement to drive meaningful outcomes for a diverse range of institutions. Before joining Carnegie, he led admissions recruitment and marketing efforts at the University of Iowa. He holds a BS in Journalism from the University of Wisconsin–River Falls and a master’s degree in organizational leadership from St. Ambrose University, grounding his work in both strategic expertise and collaborative leadership. Eric is a respected voice in higher ed, known for advancing effective, student-centered practices.  Eric, welcome to the show! Before Dean leads us off with the first question, I believe you also worked at a couple of newspapers early in your career—the Quad City Times and Eau Claire Leader-Telegram? Were you a reporter? What was that experience like?" Q1: About Eric’s Background Q2: What Small Colleges are Facing NowQ3: Enrollment as Infrastructure, Not Just MarketingQ4: Storytelling Q5: Leadership and Realistic Expectations Q6: Looking Ahead

    26 min
  5. Leading a Small College Through Growth and Change — Elizabeth Rider

    FEB 17

    Leading a Small College Through Growth and Change — Elizabeth Rider

    Welcome to Small College America, a podcast dedicated to exploring the role and value of small colleges in higher education. I'm Dean Hoke, and I’m joined by my co-host, Kent Barnds. Kent Barnds: Our guest today is Elizabeth A. Rider, President of Elizabethtown College. Elizabeth brings more than 30 years of dedicated service to Elizabethtown, having served as faculty member, Provost, and Senior Vice President for Academic Affairs before becoming president in 2022. Since becoming President, she has championed enrollment growth, and under her leadership, the College has surpassed fundraising goals and reached a historic endowment milestone of over $100 million. She also serves as a member of the Board of Directors for the Association of Independent Colleges & Universities of Pennsylvania (AICUP), contributing to statewide efforts that advocate for independent higher education. Dr. Rider and I also share a personal connection — we’re both graduates of Gettysburg College — and I had the privilege earlier in my career of working at Elizabethtown College as well, so it’s especially meaningful for me to welcome her today. Betty, welcome to Small College America. We’re delighted to have you with us. Dean - Betty, you’ve spent much of your career at Elizabethtown — from faculty to provost to president. How has that long institutional perspective shaped your leadership, especially during such a disruptive period for higher education? Kent – Since becoming president, Etown has welcomed its largest incoming class in more than a decade and reached record applications. What changed — strategically or culturally — to drive that momentum, and how are you thinking about sustaining it in a competitive regional market? Dean – Elizabethtown recently launched a dual-enrollment partnership with Lancaster Catholic High School, creating earlier pathways for students to earn college credit. How do initiatives like this fit into your broader enrollment and access strategy — and what role do K–12 and community partnerships play in Etown’s long-term sustainability?  Kent – Your draft Strategic Plan 2030 emphasizes integrating career-readiness across academic programs — including digital credentials and clearer pathways from classroom to career. How are you reimagining the student experience so graduates leave not only well-educated, but workforce-ready? Also, how do you communicate that value to prospective families? Dean – Under your leadership, Elizabethtown has surpassed fundraising goals and reached a historic endowment milestone. What practical lessons can other small colleges take from Etown’s approach to its fundraising success and building confidence among donors and trustees?  Kent – Betty, looking three to five years out, what capabilities do you believe small colleges must strengthen now to remain resilient and relevant? And what encouragement would you offer presidents who may feel overwhelmed by the pace of change? Also Betty, If you had to name one leadership priority for the year ahead, what would it be? Dean: Betty, thank you for joining us today and for sharing such thoughtful insight into leading Elizabethtown College through a period of real momentum and change. We’re grateful for your perspective today. For those listening or viewing, if you'd like to learn more about Small College America, go to our web page at www.smallcollegeamerica.net, where you can find details on upcoming episodes, contact us, and suggest topics you’d like us to cover. This episode of Small College America is made possible with underwriting support from Edu Alliance Group — a higher education consulting firm that champions small colleges and the communities they serve. On behalf of our guest, President Elizabeth Rider, my co-host Kent Barnds, and I, thank you for joining us.

    32 min
  6. Financial Warning Signs for Small Colleges — What the Data Shows with Robert Kelchen

    FEB 10

    Financial Warning Signs for Small Colleges — What the Data Shows with Robert Kelchen

    Dean Hoke: Welcome to Small College America, a podcast dedicated to exploring the role and value of small colleges in the higher education landscape. I'm Dean Hoke, and I’m joined by my co-host, Kent Barnds. Kent Barnds: Robert Kelchen is a professor of higher education and head of the Department of Educational Leadership and Policy Studies at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville. His research interests include higher education finance, accountability policies, and student financial aid. Kelchen is the author of Higher Education Accountability and regularly publishes in top education journals. He has received the Robert P. Huff Golden Quill Award for excellence in financial aid research from the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators and has been recognized as one of the most influential faculty members in education by Education Week. He is also the data editor for Washington Monthly magazine’s annual college guide and rankings. Kelchen holds a bachelor’s degree in economics and finance from Truman State University, a master’s degree in economics from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and a PhD in educational policy studies from the University of Wisconsin-Madison.   Interview Questions (Estimated length: 27–30 minutes; six questions) Q1: About Robert’s Background Robert, before we dive into the data, could you briefly describe your work at the University of Tennessee—what you teach and research—and how that role shapes the way you think about institutional finance and risk—particularly for small, tuition-dependent colleges.  Q2: Recent IPEDS Research Robert, you recently evaluated the newest IPEDS finance data (FY 2024) and dug into how often colleges lose money across sectors. You pointed out that the frequency of institutional financial losses is rising, especially among private nonprofit colleges. What does this trend tell you about the resilience of small colleges, and how should leaders interpret episodic versus persistent operating losses? Q3: Early Warning SignsIn your work on financial stress indicators like operating losses, enrollment declines, and changes in endowment or state support, which combinations of metrics should small college leaders watch most closely as early warning signs?Q4 Washington Monthly & Public Accountability In addition to your academic work, you serve as the data editor for Washington Monthly’s college rankings, which emphasize outcomes and public value. How does that lens change the way you think about financial health and accountability—especially for small private colleges under pressure?Q5: Board – Finances – Professional Development What do you wish more boards of small private colleges understood about institutional finance—and where do boards most often misread or over-interpret the data in front of them? Follow-up - Robert, what responsibility does college leadership have to ensure that boards—and especially executive committees—have the financial literacy and ongoing professional development needed to govern effectively in this environment?   Q6 The Next Five Years Looking ahead five years, do you expect the number of financially distressed small colleges to stabilize, increase, or accelerate, and why? Closing Dean: Robert, thank you for joining us today and giving your thoughtful perspective on the challenges and opportunities facing small colleges at this pivotal moment in higher education. Your work helps bring clarity to conversations that can otherwise feel overwhelming for campus leaders. For those listening or viewing, if you'd like to learn more about Small College America, go to our web page at www.smallcollegeamerica.net, where you can find details on upcoming episodes, contact us, and suggest topics you’d like us to cover. This episode of Small College America is made possible with underwriting support from Edu Alliance Group — a higher education consulting firm that champions small colleges and the communities they serve. On behalf of our guest, Robert Kelchen, my co-host Kent Barnds, and I, thank you for joining us.

    25 min
  7. Small College America Jeff Selingo - Podcast Co-Host Future U

    12/16/2025

    Small College America Jeff Selingo - Podcast Co-Host Future U

    Welcome to Small College America, a podcast dedicated to exploring the role and value of small colleges in the higher education landscape. I'm Dean Hoke, and I’m joined by my co-host, Kent Barnds. Kent Barnds: Joining us today is Jeff Selingo who has written about colleges and universities for more than 25 years and is a New York Times bestselling author of four books. His latest, New York Tines Best Seller Dream School: Finding the College That’s Right for You, draws on more than two years of research and a survey of some 3,000 parents to give families permission to think more broadly about what signals a “good” college and then the tools to discover their dream school.  I’ll just note that my alma mater, Gettysburg College, my employer, Augustana College, and, my daughter’s college, Butler University are among those the 75 New Dream Schools, each identified as “hidden values.”  He is also the author of Who Gets In & Why: A Year Inside College Admissions, named one of the New York Times’s 100 Notable Books of the Year in 2020. A regular contributor to The Atlantic, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal, Jeff is a special advisor to the president and professor of practice at Arizona State University. He writes the biweekly newsletter Next and co-hosts the podcast Future U. He lives near Washington, D.C., with his family. Jeff, as a father of two teenage daughters who will soon be navigating their own college search, you’re about to experience firsthand the very system you’ve spent decades analyzing!    Q1: Jeff, you’ve spent more than 25 years examining how higher education, the workforce, and student expectations are evolving. What trends have surprised you most recently, and how have they shaped your thinking in Dream School and your other current work? Q2: Your new book draws on a survey of 3,000 parents about what signals a ‘good’ college. How do parents today perceive small colleges differently from large publics or well-known brands, and what misperceptions should presidents address head-on?  Q3: You’ve written extensively about admissions in Who Gets In & Why. Since that book came out in 2020, what changes have you seen, particularly in how small colleges can position themselves? Q4: Jeff, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, and their parents seem to be very focused on ROI. How can small colleges demonstrate lifetime value without over-promising? Q5: You’ve advised boards and presidents across the country. What blind spots do you see repeated most often at colleges, large or small? And what innovation patterns differentiate financially healthy institutions from those that are struggling?  Q6:  If you were advising a board tomorrow, what’s the first move you’d tell them to make? And looking ahead, is there one innovation or shift that could dramatically improve the prospects of small colleges if widely adopted? Closing Jeff, thank you for being with us today and for offering such thoughtful perspective on the challenges and opportunities facing small colleges at this pivotal moment in higher education For those listening or viewing, if you'd like to learn more about Small College America, go to our web page at www.smallcollegeamerica.net, where you can find details on upcoming episodes, contact us, and suggest topics you’d like us to cover. This episode of Small College America is made possible with underwriting support from Edu Alliance Group — a higher education consulting firm that champions small colleges and the communities they serve. On behalf of our guest, Jeff Selingo, my co-host Kent Barnds, and myself, thank you for joining us.

    29 min
  8. Small College America Webinar Navigating Higher Education's Existential Challenges

    12/09/2025

    Small College America Webinar Navigating Higher Education's Existential Challenges

    Welcome everyone to this special edition of Small College America. On December 3rd we held a live webinar titled “Navigating Higher Education’s Existential Challenges: From Partnerships and Mergers to Reinvention,” brings together four seasoned leaders deeply involved in higher education strategy, governance, law, and finance. The issues of partnerships, mergers, closures and institutional reinvention are no longer abstract concepts, they’re real challenges shaping daily decision-making. To help us explore these topics we have four distinguished panelists with extensive experience across higher-education, strategy, finance, law, and governance.  • Dr. Chet Haskell is an experienced higher education consultant focusing on existential challenges to smaller non-profit institutions and opportunities for collaboration. He is a former 2-time president and most recently a provost directly involved in three significant merger/acquisition or partnership agreements, including the Coalition for the Common Good partnership of Antioch and Otterbein Universities. • Dr. Barry Ryan is an experienced leader, and attorney who has served as president, and provost, for multiple universities. He helped guide several institutions through merger/acquisition, and accreditation. Most recently he led Woodbury University through its merger with the University of Redlands. He has served on university boards and as a Commissioner for WSCUC • A.J. Prager, Managing Director at Hilltop Securities Inc., investment banker focusing on higher education M&A, helping institutions manage the partnership process, such as finding a partner, financial analysis, due diligence and board management. Most recently, AJ served as engagement lead to Seattle University on its partnership with Cornish College of the Arts. • Stephanie Gold, is a Partner and Head of the Higher Education Practice at Hogan Lovells LLP, who has spent nearly three decades guiding colleges and universities through transformative transactions.  She helps institutions to navigate the regulatory requirements and procedures related to such transactions, including accreditation approvals, state agency review, and the U.S. Department of Education process.

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Small College America is a podcast series that presents critical discussions at the forefront by interviewing small college higher education leaders, policy experts, and innovators. The podcast will delve into the evolving role of small colleges, their economic impact, innovative strategies for sustainability, and how they can continue to provide a highly personalized educational experience. The series is co-hosted by Dean Hoke, Co-Founder of Edu Alliance Group and a Senior Fellow with the Sagamore Institute, and Kent Barnds, Executive Vice President for Strategy & Innovation and Vice President of Enrollment & Communication for Augustana College.

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