Second Verse

Becky Boyland

🎙 Second Verse – Because it’s never too late to make music. Are you an indie artist or creative dreaming of a second chance at your music career? Second Verse is the podcast that celebrates independent musicians, singer-songwriters, and artists who got started—or started again—after a more traditional career. Join host Becky Boyland, a singer-songwriter and music branding expert, as she interviews indie artists who prove that success isn’t just for the young and major-label backed. Each episode dives into real-life stories of artists navigating their second verse in music—overcoming fears, finding their audience, and making their creative dreams a reality. 💡 What You’ll Get: ✅ Inspiring stories from independent musicians who took the leap ✅ Actionable tips for pursuing your music career at any stage ✅ Branding and marketing insights to grow your audience ✅ Motivation to finally take that next step toward your dream No matter where you are on your musical journey, Second Verse will help you feel seen, supported, and ready to take action. Subscribe now, leave a review, and visit secondversepod.com to submit your story, connect on social media, and start your own Second Verse. 🎶 Your dream is still waiting—let’s make music.

  1. 3h ago

    Your Music Is Asking for Your Attention

    Say “I Am an Artist”: Reclaim Your Music Identity with 3 Simple Steps Host Becky Boyland welcomes listeners to Second Verse and urges indie artists who feel they “used to” make music to reclaim their identity by speaking in the present tense: “I am an artist.” She explains that adult obligations often push original music to the back burner, but when you deny your music attention you deny yourself, and your songs matter to others too. Becky shares her own path from school band and decades of music ministry to rediscovering her personal artistry after confronting common blocks—waiting for inspiration, believing she needed pro gear, and thinking music only counts if it pays. She invites listeners to assess signs their artistry is missing and offers three practical actions for the week: change your language, schedule an “artist appointment,” and finish one small project. She encourages artists to include their return story in their bio and closes by playing her single “Untrue.” https://youtu.be/dzPyRS2_0mQ Connect with Becky Boyland: https://secondversepod.comhttps://beckyboyland.comhttps://beckyboyland.set.bio Featured Song: ”Untrue” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Joleen Boyland (used with permission). Timestamps: 00:00 Teaser00:24 Welcome00:56 Divided Attention02:26 Reclaiming My Musical Artistry04:45 Their Music or Your Music?06:06 Why Your Music Loses Focus, Without Guilt07:05 Signs You've Set Yourself Aside07:45 Showing Back Up: The Practical Part09:54 Coda10:43 Featured Song: "Untrue" by Becky Boyland Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    Your Music Is Asking for Your Attention
  2. Nov 3

    Caddy Callaghan: From Lockdown to Nashville with Rick Price

    Caddy Callaghan: From Shelved Songs to a Nashville-Produced Debut and a Melbourne Video Premiere Host Becky Boyland interviews Melbourne songwriter Caddy Callaghan on Second Verse about returning to music after years of keeping it “on the side table.” Caddy shares her early love of music, learning piano, writing songs on guitar and ukulele, and taking an unconventional career path through primary school teaching, a children’s music publishing deal at 24, and later hospital pastoral care. During Melbourne’s COVID lockdown, with young kids and a new baby, she joined an online masterclass with Australian artist Rick Price; after hearing her play via video call, he offered to produce her debut record. Caddy eventually flew to Nashville to record 11 songs, is releasing the project one single at a time (with a fifth single, “Solo Roam,” coming this month), and is premiering its music video at a Melbourne cinema while also beginning work on a second record with producer Jay Smith. https://youtu.be/PR-KO8MF6ng Connect with Caddy Callaghan: Facebook: Caddy CallaghanInstagram: @caddycallaghanmusicWebsite:https://caddycallaghanmusic.com Sponsors: She Produces Music:https://www.sheproducesmusic.com Featured Song: ”Sweet Fool” by Caddy Callaghan, written by Caddy Callaghan (used with permission). Timestamps: 00:00 Teaser: Caddy Callaghan Interview00:35 Introduction01:20 Welcome and Origins01:40 Family Music Roots02:50 Learning Instruments04:54 Uke Love and Songwriting07:32 Retro Gear Revival09:36 First Verse - Teaching14:03 Children’s Duo Breakthrough15:50 Spirituality and Values17:15 Genre Labels and Identity18:50 Truth in Story Songs23:00 Story Songs and Empathy28:12 SPONSOR: She Produces Music28:44 COVID Pivot to Nashville33:44 Releasing the Record34:58 Sharing Boundaries as Artist38:01 Authenticity Versus Privacy40:31 Cringe Triggers and Kindness42:26 Boundaries Without Oversharing45:47 Artists Finding Their Audience48:21 Waterfall Singles Strategy50:50 Funding and Album Cohesion52:51 Next Record, New Sound54:35 Advice to Start Creating57:07 Training and Beginner Mind01:02:22 Wellness Fuels Creativity01:04:56 Where to Follow and What's Next01:07:31 Video Premiere and Farewell01:08:50 Coda01:10:22 FEATURED SONG: "Sweet Fool" by Caddy Callaghan Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    Caddy Callaghan: From Lockdown to Nashville with Rick Price
  3. Oct 27

    Clayton Craddock on Broadway | Talent Gets You In, Trust Gets You Hired

    Broadway Drummer Clayton Craddock on the Trust Economy, Building Relationships, and Starting Over at 60 Host Becky Boyland interviews Broadway drummer and author Clayton Craddock about how relationships—not chops—create lasting music careers. Clayton shares growing up surrounded by soul, funk, rock, and jazz, falling in love with drums, and being steered toward accounting at Howard University before moving to New York in 1993 to pursue music while working day jobs. Over years of networking, he landed touring work (Footloose, Tick, Tick… Boom!), began subbing on Broadway (including Rent), and earned major credits and awards, ultimately playing four Tony Award–winning shows and two off-Broadway award winners, with his last being CATS: The Jellicle Ball (which closed after four months). Now starting over in Las Vegas at 60, he teaches “talent will get you in, but trust will get you hired” through Broadway Bound and Beyond, his book, podcast, and masterclass, emphasizing the long game, versatility, and realistic expectations. https://youtu.be/JP7ieIO_6RY Connect with Clayton Craddock: Websites: https://broadwayboundandbeyond.com and https://claytoncraddock.comPodcast: Broadway Bound and Beyond with Clayton Craddock https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/broadway-drumming-101-the-podcast/id1575847517Instagram: @claytoncraddock and @broadwayboundandbeyondYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@broadwaydrumming101Sign up for the October 29 masterclass, The Trust Economy: https://www.broadwayboundandbeyond.com/p/talent-gets-you-noticed-trust-gets Sponsors: She Produces Music: https://www.sheproducesmusic.com Featured Song: ”Undo” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Joleen Boyland (used with permission). Timestamps: 00:00 Teaser: Clayton Craddock Interview00:21 Introduction01:07 Broadway by Accident02:44 Family Roots and Funk06:10 First Drum Kit Spark08:47 Berklee Dream Deferred10:59 Howard Band and NYC Move13:31 Day Jobs and Nightlife16:25 First Tour Breakthrough20:04 From Tours to Broadway21:47 Trust Economy Networking25:22 Broadway Journey to CATS: The Jellicle Ball28:06 Show Closes Suddenly28:49 Carless in New York30:07 Subway Burnout31:15 SPONSOR: She Produces Music31:46 Starting Over in Vegas33:13 Pandemic Perspective34:32 Podcast to Book Blueprint37:56 Broadway Is Temp Work39:49 Beyond the Pit Life43:04 Tours and Theater Ecosystem45:53 Making It and Paying It Forward50:49 Advice for Dream Chasers56:23 Where to Find Clayton57:30 Final Thanks and Wrap58:16 Coda01:00:33 Featured Song: "Undo" by Becky Boyland Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    Clayton Craddock on Broadway | Talent Gets You In, Trust Gets You Hired
  4. Oct 20

    Jesse Sterling Harrison on Building an “Always On” Creative Process in His Second Verse

    Jesse Sterling Harrison on a Bulletproof Creative Process, Archival Releases, and Keeping Music Fun In this episode of Second Verse, Becky interviews songwriter, recording artist, and author Jesse Sterling Harrison, whose archival solo acoustic album Catch and Release Program has been remastered and released on Brave Tiger Records, curated by Joshua David Thayer; the songs were recorded in a living room around 1998 and previously circulated only among friends. Jesse describes starting to make up songs at age four or five, being influenced by a musical family, and later sidelining music during early parenthood before returning after divorce and, more recently, as an empty nester in his 50s. He explains a “bulletproof” creative process built on capturing ideas anywhere (work truck, tractor, airport terminals, voice memos, and even soap notes on a bathroom mirror), writing an album using the online drum machine Drumbit, and organizing a wide-ranging catalog into distinct projects with clear elevator pitches. He also shares how a humbling party jam pushed him to maintain his guitar skills and emphasizes prioritizing fun in recording and performance. https://youtu.be/ZPacUjeKPDo Connect with Jesse Sterling Harrison: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessesterlingharrison/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61554253302349YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MysticWarriorMusicBrave Tiger Records: https://bravetigerrecords.com/Album on Bandcamp: https://jessesterlingharrison1.bandcamp.com/album/jesse-sterling-harrison-catch-and-release-program Sponsors: She Produces Music: https://www.sheproducesmusic.com Featured Song: ”Your Favorite” by Jesse Sterling Harrison, written by Jesse Sterling Harrison (used with permission). Timestamps: 00:00 Teaser: Jesse Sterling Harrison Interview00:38 Introduction02:19 Welcome and Origins03:07 Family Musical Roots04:02 Life Shift and Parenthood05:20 Returning to Creativity06:40 Bulletproof Creative Habits09:04 Home Studio and Dream Ideas12:35 Capture and Rework Old Songs14:41 New Tools and Drum Machine Writing17:56 Genre Buckets and Artist Branding22:40 Consistency and Practice Mindset26:28 SPONSOR: She Produces Music27:01 Lyrics and Song Storytelling32:01 Upcoming Releases and Formats37:08 Keep Music Fun38:30 Advice for Coming Back41:42 Where to Find Jesse42:20 Final Thanks and Wrap-Up42:28 Coda Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    Jesse Sterling Harrison on Building an “Always On” Creative Process in His Second Verse
  5. Oct 13

    Everything Feels Impossible Until It’s Done | Vincent Van den Broeck on Going All In

    Second Verse: Vincent Van Den Broeck on Mindset, Consistency, and Doing the Work Until It’s Done Host Becky Boyland interviews Belgian entrepreneur/restauranteur and author Vincent Van den Broeck, who shares how music has always shaped his life through emotionally linked moments. After being hit by a car on a scooter in Brussels on October 11, 2024, Vincent spent three weeks in a coma and months in rehab, where a friend’s music pushed him to “do more, take one more step.” Now recovered, he wrote Everything Feels Impossible Until It’s Done and founded the Until It’s Done (UID) Club to help people pursue goals with consistency and accountability. In the conversation he challenges Becky—and listeners—with “Why do you do what you do?… Now do. Show me,” emphasizing that impact isn’t measured by views and that becoming an artist comes down to who you are when life isn’t going your way. https://youtu.be/9_R1z_w5aY0 Connect with Vincent Van den Broeck: https://theuidclub.comhttps://hashtagbrussels.comSocials: @hashtagbrusselsSocials: @vincentinthekitchenVincent’s book, Everything Feels Impossible Until It's Done: https://www.theuidclub.com/the-book Sponsors: She Produces Music: https://www.sheproducesmusic.com Featured Song: ”Last to Leave” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Joleen Boyland (used with permission). Timestamps: 00:00 Teaser: Vincent Van den Broeck Interview01:55 Welcome, Vincent02:50 Music and Meaning05:01 Artists' Impact Beyond Stats08:26 Restaurant Beginnings12:16 Love the Work Not Image15:10 Your Turn!15:17 Prove It With Action17:42 Consistency Beats Numbers22:23 SPONSOR: She Produces Music22:56 The 2024 Accident25:38 Healing and Perspective29:06 Book and Mission32:31 Until Its Done Club34:02 Where to Find Vincent35:50 Coda38:34 Featured Song: "Last to Leave" by Becky Boyland Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    Everything Feels Impossible Until It’s Done | Vincent Van den Broeck on Going All In
  6. Oct 6

    Kris Bradley: 200 Placements, One Burnout, and the Debut Album That Finally Sounds Like Her

    Kris Bradley on Burnout, Autism Discovery, and Reclaiming Her Authentic Sound with ‘Midnight Church Aftermath’ Host Becky Boyland welcomes Maui-based indie artist Kris Bradley, an independent singer-songwriter, producer, and guitarist who spent over 20 years largely behind the scenes writing to briefs, producing for other artists, earning 200+ film/TV placements, and building the music education company Produce Like A Boss. Kris shares her early musical roots, stage fright, touring with an all-girl Led Zeppelin tribute, learning songwriting craft, and producing out of necessity. She explains how entrepreneurship and marketing gradually pulled her away from making music, leading to severe autistic burnout, loss of short-term memory, and three years of creative darkness after selling her company. A spontaneous performance in Maui reignited her desire to perform and write, sparking her debut double-disc concept album, “Midnight Church Aftermath,” recorded with a full band near Nashville and described as “Ameri-Kinda,” emphasizing authenticity over commercial rules. https://youtu.be/wbwyNH2PFN4 Connect with Kris Bradley: Website: https://www.krisbradleymusic.comInstagram: https://instagram.com/krisbradleymusicTikTok: https://tiktok.com/@krisbradleymusicSpotify (Fireproof): https://open.spotify.com/track/79xPM1hfZmruZH7XOnKegQApple Music (Fireproof): https://music.apple.com/us/song/fireproof/6787345596YouTube (Fireproof video): https://youtube.com/watch?v=YlkH41OSakQ Sponsors: She Produces Music: https://www.sheproducesmusic.com Featured Song: ”Shapeshifter” by Kris Bradley, written by Kris Bradley, Blue Foley (used with permission). Timestamps: 00:00 Teaser: Kris Bradley Interview00:38 Introduction01:52 Welcome and Musical Roots05:13 Stage Fright Years06:22 Cover Bands Bar Life07:29 Zeppelin Tour Turning Point09:03 Learning Songwriting Craft10:17 Asia Pop Boot Camp11:27 Production Out of Necessity15:51 Produce Like a Boss Origins18:03 Entrepreneur Drift20:45 Autistic Burnout23:07 Maui Music Revival26:59 SPONSOR: She Produces Music27:30 Monotropic Focus Explained30:23 Writing Without Agenda31:43 Two Act Album Vision38:29 Concept-First Songwriting40:51 Branding And Authenticity42:49 Advice for New Artists46:52 Truth Beats Craft in AI Era49:06 Breaking Rules And Going Genreless53:56 Where to Follow Kris54:51 Coda56:56 Featured Song: "Shapeshifter" by Kris Bradley Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    Kris Bradley: 200 Placements, One Burnout, and the Debut Album That Finally Sounds Like Her
  7. Sep 29

    Harley DiNardo: Two Record Deals, Two Drop-Offs, and the Fire That Changed Everything

    Harley DiNardo on Getting Dropped Twice, Returning to Music After 9/11 Loss, and Going All In After the Palisades Fire Host Becky Boyland interviews New York-born singer-songwriter Harley DiNardo about his long path back to music after early success, two major-label deals, and years away. Harley traces his origin story from a formative high school Battle of the Bands to relentless practice, switching from bass to singing, and partnering with songwriter-guitarist Derrek Hawkins. He describes getting signed to Warner Brothers-backed Revolution Records after a Ticketmaster competition and later landing a BMG-backed deal for White Light Motorcade by handing demo CDs to strangers while working as a waiter, only to be dropped both times due to poor marketing. After stepping back to raise a family and run a hair salon, a wildfire that burned down his new salon and threatened his home pushed him to commit fully to music. He discusses negative self-talk, age stigma, tragedy including losing his sister in 9/11, and his new single “LA to NY.” https://youtu.be/9SoclNknUdk Connect with Harley DiNardo: Website: https://www.harleydinardo.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/harleydinardoartistInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/harleydinardomusicYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@harleydinardoband Sponsors: She Produces Music: https://www.sheproducesmusic.com Featured Song: ”LA to NY” by Harley DiNardo, written by Harley DiNardo (used with permission). Timestamps: 00:00 Teaser: Harley DiNardo Interview00:36 Introduction01:40 Welcoming Harley02:05 Battle of the Bands Awakening04:03 Learning Bass in a Hurry06:41 From Bassist to Singer09:44 Hair School and Reality Check12:21 Why Hairdressing Works15:20 Haunted Mansion Band Days17:14 Ticketmaster Contest Breakthrough20:43 Signing and Getting Dropped23:43 NYC Scene and Demo Hustle28:12 Dropped Again and Losing Hope31:33 Making Art Later in Life35:39 SPONSOR: She Produces Music36:13 Find Your Bees Audience38:02 Owning Your Artist Identity39:56 The Call That Won’t Quit43:59 Social Proof and Attention Hooks49:00 Fire Catalyst and Clean Slate52:45 Never Too Old to Create55:27 Writing "LA to NY"58:28 9/11 Loss and Serendipity01:03:19 Advice: Beat Negative Self Talk01:07:48 Where to Follow Harley DiNardo01:08:29 Coda01:10:13 Featured Song: "LA to NY" by Harley DiNardo Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    Harley DiNardo: Two Record Deals, Two Drop-Offs, and the Fire That Changed Everything
  8. Sep 22

    A Long Hard Road: Tom Sykes on the Career That Kept Selling Him Off—and the Music That Never Left

    Tom Sykes on Cold-Calling John Hammond, Failing Forward in Entertainment, and Making Music in the Age of Algorithms Host Becky Boyland interviews songwriter, writer, filmmaker, and former entertainment executive Tom Sykes, whose music journey began with a cold call to legendary A&R John Hammond, producer of Bob Dylan’s first album and the scout who discovered artists like Bruce Springsteen and Aretha Franklin. Tom describes how low confidence complicated his early momentum, leading him to step back from performing and focus on songwriting—then pivot into entertainment work after taking a video store job in Atlanta that led to marketing roles and decades of “failing forward” through companies including Embassy Pictures, Turner Broadcasting, WEA, and Showtime, where he turned struggling divisions profitable. He discusses keeping music alive amid constant moves, critiques algorithms, streaming economics, and AI-generated music, and emphasizes audience support for indie artists. Tom shares updates on his book A Long Hard Road, documentaries, and ongoing music releases, and points listeners to tomsykesmusic.com. https://youtu.be/_eS1vqbgxcM Connect with Tom Sykes: Website:https://www.tomsykesmusic.comYouTube:https://youtube.com/@tomsykessongsstoriesApple Artist:https://music.apple.com/us/artist/tom-sykes/1706510558Tom’s book, A Long Hard Road:https://www.tomsykesmusic.com/book/ Sponsors: She Produces Music:https://www.sheproducesmusic.com Featured Song: ”I Don’t Know for Sure” by Tom Sykes, written by Tom Sykes (used with permission). Timestamps: 00:00 Teaser: Tom Sykes Interview00:29 Introduction01:38 Welcome, Tom02:45 Records, Liner Notes and a Phone Call06:47 Confidence and Atlanta Move08:14 From Video Store to Studio Job10:25 Entertainment Career Highlights14:00 Living a Double Life14:48 Creative Circles and Collaboration19:23 Story Over Gear22:09 Streaming and Algorithm Problems26:31 SPONSOR: She Produces Music27:05 AI and Authentic Art32:52 Breaking Through as Indie41:41 Dreams Success and Perception49:05 Finding Your Unique Sound52:06 New Releases and Where to Find Tom55:54 Coda57:31 Featured Song: "I Don't Know for Sure" by Tom Sykes Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    A Long Hard Road: Tom Sykes on the Career That Kept Selling Him Off—and the Music That Never Left

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🎙 Second Verse – Because it’s never too late to make music. Are you an indie artist or creative dreaming of a second chance at your music career? Second Verse is the podcast that celebrates independent musicians, singer-songwriters, and artists who got started—or started again—after a more traditional career. Join host Becky Boyland, a singer-songwriter and music branding expert, as she interviews indie artists who prove that success isn’t just for the young and major-label backed. Each episode dives into real-life stories of artists navigating their second verse in music—overcoming fears, finding their audience, and making their creative dreams a reality. 💡 What You’ll Get: ✅ Inspiring stories from independent musicians who took the leap ✅ Actionable tips for pursuing your music career at any stage ✅ Branding and marketing insights to grow your audience ✅ Motivation to finally take that next step toward your dream No matter where you are on your musical journey, Second Verse will help you feel seen, supported, and ready to take action. Subscribe now, leave a review, and visit secondversepod.com to submit your story, connect on social media, and start your own Second Verse. 🎶 Your dream is still waiting—let’s make music.