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  1. The detour was the training

    Jun 3

    The detour was the training

    In 2007, Elizabeth Purvis sat on her bed in Brooklyn with her husband, two black cats, and a deck of Carolyn Myss archetype cards, hunting for something to call her new business. The card that came out said goddess. She had just quit her last job, a six-figure systems engineering role, and was making about $1,000 a month helping her tarot friends price and package their services. She was also ten years into hiding her witchcraft practice from her staunchly conservative family. What she wanted was to teach magic. The reality creation work she’d spent years learning in her Wiccan circles and her Western magic training. And she wanted to stop hiding while she did it. Which is why the card was a problem. Coming out of a decade in the closet, with a Catholic father and hardcore conservative parents, goddess was about the last word she wanted on her front door. I can’t call myself that. Are you freaking kidding me? That’s what she said to her husband, who was sitting next to her reading his book. He kept reading. “Yeah, that’s the only thing you can call yourself.” And in that moment she made the decision that shaped everything after. She wasn’t going to hide the magic practitioner anymore, and she wasn’t going to make a big deal of it either. The business became Marketing Goddess. Her email signature read “bright blessings and massive success.” What came next is the part people in the online mentoring world already know in some form. Elizabeth became one of the first mentors of the high-ticket model back in 2008 and 2009, spent nearly two decades mentoring conscious entrepreneurs through the growth phase, up to six figures and beyond, and wrote the book Seven Figure Goddess. So we had her on Sacred Business Stories this week to trace the arc. The part most people don’t hear is how long the real work waited. At the very beginning, Elizabeth got a clear directive. She’s Wiccan, she took oaths, and as she tells it, the goddess tapped her on the shoulder: “You’re going to be a part of this movement to bring magic to the mainstream.” She figured business coaching was the on-ramp. But when she put the manifesting work front and center, two things surprised her. She was bored. And she got a second directive that she wasn’t done with the business coaching, because pieces of the reality creation work were still being learned through it. So she went back to it for another eight years. Only last year did the instruction change. Now’s the time to release the business coaching. It served its purpose. You’re the magic teacher from here on out. Applied to business. Nearly two decades between the directive and the green light. She used to tell her husband she felt like she was moving through mud. He told her she was like a tank. “No woman wants to be called a tank,” she said. Then he drew her a picture of one, because she does not stop. “I’m really grateful to myself for having that skill, and I’ll just put that on the altar for someone who wants to pick that one up.” Two things stood out from the conversation. The first was her answer when we asked about her essay on 100% responsibility, which she names as her top value. It means accepting 100% ownership of everything in your life, period. No exceptions, ever. She’s careful with it. It’s an edgy concept and she says so up front. Taking ownership is different from taking the blame for what other people do, and she’s not asking anyone to pretend systemic conditions don’t exist. The point is choice. As she put it, you go from being at effect to being at cause. Responsibility, the ability to respond. The second was a line she got from one of her NLP teachers. Information is just a rumor until it’s in the body. If you’ve spent years learning and your business still doesn’t reflect what you know, that line is for you. Her method for getting knowledge into the body is unglamorous. Regulate before the hard thing, regulate after, celebrate. Then make the action small. “Do the next small thing, because that starts to train your brain and your body that you can do the next thing and the next thing.” In her model, only the action that actually moves the outcome brings a creation from the non-physical to the physical. One piece of advice came up more than once, and she applies it to herself first. She does offers and messaging for a living and still hired help on her own message two months ago. There comes a point where you need to get the outside eyes. You really do. The reframe worth naming from her story is about time. Most of us would read eighteen years of business coaching as a long delay on the way to the real work. Elizabeth reads it as the training. “It’s okay to not have it look exactly like you think it’s going to look. It’s okay to take your time and develop the body of work that really matters while you are serving fully.” If you have a version of this, a body of work waiting while you do the work that pays, her story says the two aren’t in conflict. The waiting is where the work gets built. You can find Elizabeth’s book, Seven Figure Goddess, as a free download at 7figuregoddessbook.com, and she’s now writing on Substack. She speaks mostly to people who feel like they’re at an income ceiling, whether they’re just starting out or sitting at $500K or a million. Catch the full replay. The responsibility section alone is worth the hour. Thank you Josh Woll, Jessica, and many others for tuning into Sacred Business Stories with Elizabeth Purvis and Carolina Wilke! Join me for my next live video in the app. Helping you get clear, get seen, and get paid by aligning who you are with how you show up, all while building a business that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. This essay was originally published on sacredbusiness.com on May 18, 2026. You can find the canonical version, along with related essays on sacred business and nervous system work, there. Get full access to Sacred Business Flow at love.sacredbusinessflow.com/subscribe

    56 min
  2. Sam Illingworth promised Slow AI would be free. Then his truth changed.

    May 27

    Sam Illingworth promised Slow AI would be free. Then his truth changed.

    On July 1st of last year, Dr Sam Illingworth published the first post of Slow AI from his desk in Edinburgh and put a line in it that said he would never charge for the work. He was a tenured full professor with a PhD in atmospheric physics, a decade of public engagement behind him, a science & poetry blog that had peaked at a quarter-million views a year, and a past life as an award-winning playwright. He didn’t need this to pay for anything. What he wanted was simple. He wanted to give people honest, accessible information about AI at the exact moment the digital divide was about to widen. The problem with that opening promise was that he was about to spend twelve months learning everything he didn’t know about marketing, pricing, and what a paywall actually does for a creator’s ecosystem. His friend Mia Kiraki 🎭 of Robot Stole My Homework, who he’d met through Substack, kept teasing him about it. He didn’t know what B2B meant until about six months before we recorded this episode . And the more he sat with that line in his first post, the less right it felt. “I think having the confidence to be able to realize that your truth can change with you as you evolve, that’s quite difficult to square.” Those were Sam’s words on the show. He said them about the day he decided to start charging for Slow AI. The irony is that the moment he changed his mind was the moment Slow AI started becoming what it is now. The part most people already know is the growth. Sixteen thousand subscribers in under a year. Just under three hundred of them paid at £100 a year. Paid members get access to a monthly webinar curriculum that ends in an accredited continuing professional development certificate, the kind you can write off as a tax expense or stack as actual credits. He runs a Slow AI Live every Monday with his friend from Exploring ChatGPT. He just crossed a thousand followers on TikTok, where he does investigative AI journalism. He’s also the author of Gen AI in Higher Education. So we had him on Sacred Business Stories this week to walk back through how he built it. The part most people don’t hear is what he had to change his mind about along the way. The arc starts long before Slow AI. PhD in atmospheric physics. Then years on the intersection of science and theater. Then a decade of using poetry to platform the voices of marginalized people in science. When ChatGPT launched in late 2022, he saw the next problem coming. AI was going to widen the divide between those who had access and those who didn’t, and there weren’t many academic voices speaking about it in a way regular people could use. That was the gap Slow AI was built into. The decision to charge came after a hard internal conversation. What would a paid product even look like? Should it exist at all? He kept circling back to something he’d learned years earlier as a working poet. He used to do school workshops and talks for free until another poet told him that doing free work was taking paid work away from the people who needed it to be their living. Free, done by the people who didn’t need to charge, dilutes the field for everyone else. “There is more than enough room for everybody to succeed in everything.” That’s the line he kept coming back to. Once he stopped treating charging as the opposite of generosity, he found the structure that worked. £100 for the year. £25 for the month. He set the annual rate to filter for subscribers who’d stay locked in for the full curriculum, not subscribers cycling out at month two. Two things stood out from the conversation. The first was the line he said about evolving. “Your truth can change with you as you evolve.” That’s a pricing story on the surface. There’s a wider permission slip underneath. Most people who start a publication put something in writing on day one and feel locked in by it. They build a brand around the version of themselves who wrote that first sentence. Sam’s experience says you’re allowed to write a line in July, learn for nine months, and rewrite it. The product gets more clear and refined. The audience gets established. The first promise was a messy first draft in a sense. The second was a daily practice he described for staying connected at sixteen thousand subscribers. Two habits, every day. One restack of someone outside his usual bubble, because the Substack feed mostly shows you the people you already engage with and the algorithm needs to be pushed back against. One thank-you note to a creator whose work he wants to platform. He’s honest that this got harder past five thousand subscribers and harder again past ten. The practice is still there, deliberate, against the grain of what the algorithm wants to feed him. The shift Sam made between the first post and the sixteen-thousandth subscriber is worth bringing attention to. He stopped treating service and money as opposites. He realized that charging was a way of not diluting service for everyone else who had to make a living from this. The audience that locked in for a year at £100 was the most invested audience he’d ever built. Which reframes one of the most stubborn beliefs in the creator economy. That authenticity and strategy pull in opposite directions. Sam’s twelve months say they pull in the same one. Again, in my opinion, the most strategic thing he did was charge fairly. The most authentic thing he did was change his mind in public. You can find Sam at Slow AI on Substack, on TikTok at @theslowai, and at samillingworth.com. He speaks to academics, educators, and working professionals who want to make informed decisions about AI without being sold the latest prompt-engineering hack. If that’s you, the curriculum is built for you. Watch the full replay. I think you’ll love getting to know Sam. Thank you Sue Reid, Rachel Connor, Des Kennedy, Michele Gill, Claire Machado, and many others for tuning into Sacred Business Stories Episode 44 with Dr Sam Illingworth and Carolina Wilke! Helping you get clear, get seen, and get paid by aligning who you are with how you show up, all while building a business that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. This essay was originally published on sacredbusiness.com on May 27th, 2026. You can find the canonical version, along with related essays on sacred business and nervous system work, there. Get full access to Sacred Business Flow at love.sacredbusinessflow.com/subscribe

    48 min
  3. Why Most Creators Don't Know About This Until It's Too Late

    May 14

    Why Most Creators Don't Know About This Until It's Too Late

    This week we talked with Matt Brown, and here’s the thing… we allowed ourselves to go a bit off-script. Matt runs a boutique email performance agency. He helps entrepreneurs make sure their emails actually land in inboxes instead of spam. It sounds dry. But oh so important. Most first-time creators don’t think about deliverability until they have a problem. They build an audience, they send emails, and suddenly half their emails are landing in promotions or they’re getting spam complaints they don’t understand. By then, the damage is harder to undo. Matt is the person you call when that happens. I’ve called him. When we were moving our list from ActiveCampaign over to Kit and connecting it with Substack, when we needed to understand what was actually happening with our email health, and that’s when I reached out. What makes Matt different is that he can explain something genuinely technical and boring and make it clear. He doesn’t overcomplicate it. He doesn’t hide behind jargon. He just says: here’s what’s happening, here’s why it matters, here’s what you do about it. What We Talked About We went deep on how email performance actually works. Not the copywriting part. Not the psychology. The mechanics. The infrastructure. The stuff that determines whether your best email ever written lands where people can see it or disappears into the void. We talked about: * Why your sender reputation matters more than most people realize * What happens when you import a list incorrectly (and how to catch it) * How to keep your email health strong as you scale * What to look for if your deliverability starts dropping * Why the platforms you choose (ActiveCampaign, Kit, Substack, whatever) have different capabilities for protecting that health The conversation was technical. But it was also practical. Matt has built his entire business around the reality that most founders and creators don’t know this stuff exists until they need it. Why You Should Listen If you’re building an audience and you send email, this is relevant. Not because you need to become an email infrastructure expert. But because you need to understand the baseline. You need to know when something’s off before it becomes a crisis. Matt also has a gift for making complex things sound simple. That’s rare. And if you ever hit a deliverability wall, you’ll want to know who to call. He’s building at deliverabilitynow.com. Subscribe to his newsletter. It’s good. Helping you get clear, get seen, and get paid by aligning who you are with how you show up, all while building a business that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Get full access to Sacred Business Flow at love.sacredbusinessflow.com/subscribe

    50 min
  4. Billy Broas: Marketing is an argument, not a fight

    May 6

    Billy Broas: Marketing is an argument, not a fight

    So, Billy Broas was on Sacred Business Stories with us this week. For context, Billy is the guy who supported the creation our messaging foundation for Sacred Business Flow back when we were too close to it to see it ourselves. Author of Simple Marketing for Smart People. Creator of the Five Lightbulbs framework, which we still apply almost daily. He just launched a new Substack called Fractal Faith, and the conversation we had with him went somewhere I wasn’t expecting. Most marketing conversations stay in tactics. This one started in tactics for about six minutes and then went somewhere I rarely hear marketers willing to go. Billy uses a metaphor early on about fish, water, and what we’ve all been swimming in without realizing. I’d heard him use the metaphor before, but the way he applied it to the entire marketing industry stopped me. Where he takes it from there is the part I want you to hear from him directly. He also names a single question, near the end, that he says will tell you whether your marketing is crossing a line or not. One question. He gives it to you in a simple sentence you can sit with for yourself. Carolina said something in this conversation I had almost forgotten about her. She confessed she rejected marketing entirely for the first three years of her previous business. Why she changed her mind, and what she heard from Billy that supported her own growth, is a pretty nice moment in the episode. And there’s a story Billy tells about leaving his energy industry job at twenty-nine, expecting his side business to take off. What actually happened next, and the phrase he uses to describe that in-between place, is worth pressing play for if you are feeling stalled out right now. Another fun surprise connection was hearing about Brian Clark’s influence on Billy’s journey, after just having him on the show a few weeks ago. The whole thing runs about fifty-five minutes. If you’ve ever caught yourself avoiding marketing because something about it felt off, or you’ve quietly wondered whether there’s a way to do this work without giving up your dignity or theirs, this is the conversation for you. For more from billy, check out his new substack at Fractal Faith and marketingisanargument.com Phil (& Carolina) Helping you get clear, get seen, and get paid by aligning who you are with how you show up, all while building a business that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Thank you Josh Woll, Prof. Barbara Bernier, Marvin L Mitchell, and many others for tuning into Sacred Business Stories with Billy Broas and Carolina Wilke! This essay was originally published on sacredbusiness.com on May 5, 2026. You can find the canonical version, along with related essays on sacred business and nervous system work there. Get full access to Sacred Business Flow at love.sacredbusinessflow.com/subscribe

    55 min
  5. The Leo Babauta conversation we almost didn't publish

    May 5

    The Leo Babauta conversation we almost didn't publish

    So here’s what happened. We sat down with Leo Babauta last week. About twenty-five minutes came through in the replay. The first fifteen didn’t. Substack swallowed the opening. Honestly, I was pretty gutted, and I sat with the recording for a few days wondering whether to share the replay at all. Then I caught myself. This was a conversation about beginning before you’re ready and shipping the imperfect thing. And I was about to scrap it because the recording wasn’t perfect lol. Honestly, Leo’s been someone I’ve considered a friend for years now. So here it is. Imperfect, missing the opening, but still some great food for thought, as Leo is one of the wisest dudes I know. I listen to what this guy has to say, and you should too. A few things from this conversation I think are worth drawing attention to: There’s a moment where Leo names a particular trap AI is setting for ambitious people, and and interesting framing. He calls Claude his “best cheerleader.” Why he frames that as a problem is the part you should check out. Carolina asked him about fear and resistance. He answered with a sewing project he’s been working on for years. (Yes, sewing.) Where he took that, and how he tied it back to his own Substack, was also a great moment worth watching. And toward the end, he answered a question about growth in a way you might not quite expect from someone who’s built the audience he has. The line started with “growth is a loaded topic for a lot of people.” The whole thing runs about twenty-seven minutes. If you’ve ever caught yourself opening twelve tabs because Claude told you all twelve ideas were brilliant, this one’s for you. Phil (& Carolina) Thank you Josh Woll, Noelle Richards, Rebecca Weston, Inge van de Graaf, Claire Machado, and many others for tuning into Sacred Business Stories with Leo Babauta and Carolina Wilke! Helping you get clear, get seen, and get paid by aligning who you are with how you show up, all while building a business that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Get full access to Sacred Business Flow at love.sacredbusinessflow.com/subscribe

    28 min
  6. On Boredom, AI, and Closing the Loop of Wonder w/ Mia Kiraki

    Apr 29

    On Boredom, AI, and Closing the Loop of Wonder w/ Mia Kiraki

    We had Mia Kiraki 🎭 on Sacred Business Stories this week. She writes a Substack called Robots Ate My Homework. Half Armenian, half Romanian. Film studies in London, two master’s degrees, a decade in B2B content marketing, a content agency built with her husband, and now one of the most interesting voices on AI on Substack. Her tagline says it. AI with brains, taste, and an unreasonable amount of depth. And then, somewhere around the twenty-minute mark, she turned a question back on me. I don’t want to set it up too much. The full exchange is on the feed and it’s worth hearing in her voice. What I’ll say is this. The question pulled at a habit I’d already been quietly questioning. The moment that followed left Carolina and me looking at each other across the call. The line that closed it landed in one short phrase I haven’t been able to put down since. That’s one of three or four moments in this conversation that really made me go “woah”. Among the others. She doesn’t write tutorials. Her brain, in her own words, is 99% on the creative side, and her code “fights back” when she vibe-codes. So when AI shows up and the rest of the field is racing to explain it, she’s doing something else entirely. She lets the trend sit. Watches what people say about it for a week or two. Then connects it to a book or a film or a note she jotted down on a different day. The newsletter that comes out of that process sits on three pillars I think most people writing about AI right now are missing. I won’t spoil them. They’re worth hearing her name. She also said the thing substack writers don’t usually like to admit on a podcast. She started Substack as an outreach engine. The first posts were about her product. Then something shifted and she stopped pitching. When I asked her how she made the call, her answer was a single sentence and one of the cleaner reframes of “strategy” I’ve heard in a while. Carolina caught it before I did. And on connection, which is the thing most people on Substack are quietly anxious about, her advice was almost embarrassingly simple. The kind of simple you only earn after ten years. The conversation runs about thirty minutes. If any of the above is making you curious, watch the the full episode above. Mia’s publication is Robots Ate My Homework. Both worth your time. And if you’re wondering what her question was, you’ll have to listen. Helping you get clear, get seen, and get paid by aligning who you are with how you show up, all while building a business that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Get full access to Sacred Business Flow at love.sacredbusinessflow.com/subscribe

    31 min
  7. Recovering from brain surgery, Brian Clark quit his best-paying business

    Apr 22

    Recovering from brain surgery, Brian Clark quit his best-paying business

    The snowboarding accident landed Brian Clark in surgery for a subdural hematoma. He had a wife, a three-year-old daughter, and a new baby son who’d just arrived. What he wanted was simple. He didn’t want to keep spending his life on work he hated. The hard part was that his real estate brokerage had just become the first business he’d ever built that made more money than his big-law job would have. He had something to prove with it. And now, recovering from brain surgery, he was thinking hard about everything he didn’t actually want to spend his life doing. “I’m not doing this anymore.” Those were the words. Shocking, in his telling, because of the family he now had to feed. But clarity arrives fast when you’ve just been that close to the edge. What came next is the part most people already know in some form, because Brian is the founder of Copyblogger. He built three seven-figure no-employee businesses in three years, combined them into what became an eight-figure software and hosting company, did $70 million in sales between 2007 and 2017, and sold in 2018. Then, at an age when most of his peers were talking about retirement, he started a Substack called Further, built for the generation that employers start pushing out the door somewhere between 58 and 62. So we had him on Sacred Business Stories this week to trace the arc. The part most people don’t hear is what happened before the wins. He’d quit law in 1998. His first business failed. It was an email newsletter company, which, as he pointed out, is roughly the same thing everyone on Substack is doing in 2026. He just got there 28 years too early and didn’t understand how to sell anything. He thought you monetized content with advertising. The dot-com crash ended it for him, and in his words, that was a mercy killing. Then he read one line in Seth Godin’s Permission Marketing. “The Internet is the greatest direct marketing medium the world has ever seen.” That was the sentence that reset his path. He taught himself copywriting and studied direct response going back to the 1920s. By the time he launched Copyblogger in 2006, he was treating the internet as a relationship game rather than a publishing one. Two things stood out in the conversation. The first was a quote that’s stuck with me since we recorded. “Technology doesn’t change human nature. It amplifies it.” Apply that anywhere you like. AI, Substack, the dopamine feed on whatever platform ate your morning. The useful question is what side of you a given tool tends to amplify. The second was about values-based marketing. Brian made the point that values aren’t automatically good. Greed is a value. Figures like Andrew Tate have audiences because they’re marketing with precision to the values of those audiences, and it’s been okay on the internet for a long time, in his words, to be awful. Which means writers who sit on their message because they’re worried about being disliked are making the problem worse. They leave the space empty. Somebody fills it. Usually not someone you’d want doing the filling. His advice to anyone hesitating was unfussy. “If you try to create generic content because you’re afraid to say anything that matters, you will not succeed.” The shift Brian made after the brain surgery is worth naming clearly. He stopped building from an energy of having something to prove. He started building something he actually cared about. The irony, as he put it, is that the decade after that shift is the one that produced the $70 million. Which reframes a belief a lot of people carry into their work. The idea that purpose and practicality pull in opposite directions. Brian’s experience says they pull in the same one. The decade he made his most purpose-aligned decisions was also the decade he made the most money. You can find Brian writing at news.further.net. He speaks mostly to 45 to 70 year olds who aren’t ready to retire and aren’t going to be allowed to coast much longer either. Gen X, in his framing, is the canary in the coal mine for what happens next. Check out the fully replay. He doesn’t waste the hour. Get full access to Sacred Business Flow at love.sacredbusinessflow.com/subscribe

    54 min
  8. She Made It Through Medical School Drawing Cartoons. Now She's Building One of the Fastest-Growing Health Publications on Substack.

    Mar 27

    She Made It Through Medical School Drawing Cartoons. Now She's Building One of the Fastest-Growing Health Publications on Substack.

    Laurie Marbas, MD, MBA started medical school with three kids under five, a husband commuting 100 miles each way, and no real plan for how she’d absorb the sheer volume of information being thrown at her. So she drew cartoons. Not as a hobby. As a survival strategy. It worked well enough that her classmates started asking for copies, and she ended up publishing six textbooks before she graduated. That instinct to translate complexity into something a real person can actually use has followed her ever since. It’s in the way she practiced medicine. It’s in the patient eBooks she made long before “content creation” was a thing. And it’s in The Habit Healers, her Substack publication that crossed 50,000 Facebook followers in just two months and keeps growing because it does something most health writing doesn’t: it starts from where people actually are, not from where we assume they should be. This conversation with Laurie was honest in the best way. She didn’t pretend her path wasn’t messy. She talked about the soul-crushing side of military medicine, about the fear that lives inside every pivot, and about how a patient who started with two push-ups on a kitchen counter now does 60 in a row. That last one I loved. Because that’s exactly what this show is about. Show Notes [00:00] — Welcome & Who Is Dr. Laurie Marbas Laurie is a board-certified physician with an MD and MBA who has been writing and creating content online for over a decade. She founded The Habit Healers to bring metabolic health science into everyday language, paired with small, actionable protocols people can actually follow. She started on Substack in January 2025 and has grown quickly by applying the same thinking she used to survive medical school: break it down, explain it clearly, and make it fun. [00:02] — Growing Up Without a Map Laurie grew up in a home without health insurance, with parents who didn’t finish high school. When her four-year-old sister got sick and had a surgery that changed her life, Laurie decided at age ten that she wanted to be part of that. Nobody handed her a roadmap. Her stepdad hadn’t finished school. Her mom had her at 19. What she had instead was the decision that those facts weren’t reasons to stop. * She learned early that when people said “you can’t be a doctor,” she didn’t compute it. She moved on. * Her grandmother was one of the adults who reflected a different possibility back to her * The gap between what people around her had done and what she wanted to do became fuel. She just kept going. [00:04] — Drawing Cartoons Through Medical School Starting medical school with children aged five, three, and ten months old, Laurie had to find a faster way to learn. Rote memorization wasn’t going to work. So she started sketching out complex medical concepts in cartoon form, as a memory tool. Friends noticed. She started making them for others. By the time she graduated, she and her co-authors had published six books in a series called Visual Mnemonics. The skill she developed to survive school, breaking down complicated ideas into something simple enough to draw, became the skill that runs her entire practice and publication today. * She later created patient eBooks to replace the confusion people left appointments with * The cartoon logic carried forward: clear, visual, honest * “I made my way through medical school drawing cartoons. Take it for what it’s worth.” [00:08] — Joy When Carolina asked Laurie about the relationship between joy and healing, this conversation opened up. Laurie described joy as what happens when you’re deeply in your work, when flow comes easily and curiosity pulls you forward. The true joy, she said, is watching someone understand something they didn’t understand before. Seeing a comment where someone changed something because of what she wrote. * “It’s the doctoring through words, in a sense, but it’s more than that because you’re touching lives you can’t see in a clinic” * She described ripple effects from her writing, one reader teaching something to another, who then came back to tell her months later * She’s not trying to reach 50,000 people at once. She’s trying to reach one person well, and trusting that the ripple goes somewhere she can’t track [00:12] — Identity Shift Laurie was active duty Air Force after medical school. She found herself in a system where she had little control, doing work that was hollowing her out. She called it soul-crushing. She made the decision to leave. The military is stable, predictable, and safe. She watched colleagues stay because the alternative was terrifying. She chose the terror instead. * That pivot required accepting uncertainty, something she keeps returning to as a pattern * Her husband’s question has followed her through every transition: “Are you still enjoying what you’re doing?” * She described creative identity as something you keep choosing. When the old path stops fitting, you choose again. [00:20] — Tinkering, Testing, and Growing 50,000 Facebook Followers in Two Months Laurie sees every platform as a variable worth testing. She grew a dormant Facebook page from around 9,000 followers to over 50,000 in roughly two months by treating it as a funnel into Substack. The entry point is a free seven-day mini course. From there, readers move into her paid School community where she shows up live weekly. The structure is clear: free content, Substack list, paid community. Three layers. No guessing where someone is supposed to go. * “Facebook has 2.8 billion users. Substack has 35 to 40 million. If you can figure out how to funnel from there, you open something up.” * She resurrected a stale page she’d largely ignored; it had been sitting at the same number for ten years * The move was building qualified traffic. Content that attracts the wrong reader is just noise with more followers attached. [00:26] — Radical Acceptance and the Nervous System This was the section of the conversation that Carolina connected to most directly. Laurie described how she learned to stop letting her past dictate her present, and how that shift changed things. She wasn’t dismissive about hard things. She said clearly: her home growing up was not ideal. She had people in her life who balanced that out. But she made a decision at some point to stop holding her story as an identity she lived inside. * “I honor your past, but you cannot let it continue to dictate your future” * She wears a ring inscribed with “this too shall pass.” The good times. The bad times. All of it moves through. * Real regulation, she said, is being present enough to notice the story you’re telling yourself before it runs away with you [00:28] — How Tiny Habits Build the Confidence to Change One of the most grounded moments in the conversation was a real patient story. Someone who had never exercised in her life. Laurie gave her one instruction: two push-ups on the kitchen counter. Two months later, that patient was doing 60. She showed Laurie her arms on a video call. “I challenge anyone to go do 60 push-ups and not find that challenging,” Laurie said. Starting small is the actual path to the bigger thing. * Small wins create the proof of capability that people who have never had it genuinely need * The CAN framework she uses: is the habit Clear, is it Actionable today without extra gear, is it Nourishing for you right now? * What was nourishing at 35 may not be nourishing at 55. The habit has to fit the actual life. [00:41] — Reps, Detachment, and Why Content Succeeds Laurie published something on Substack every day for the first six months. Not because it was perfect. Because 180 reps in six months is what weekly publishing takes three years to match. She was very direct: you can’t be emotionally devastated every time something doesn’t land. You put everything into it, publish it, and then let it go. She had a useful image for this: stand outside, look up at the sky, and register how small the post actually is in the context of the universe. Then keep going. * The articles that convert, she’s found, are the ones written for a specific reader with a specific problem. Not the ones optimized for conversion. * “That energy follows through with your words.” Writing to help and writing to sell feel different to the reader. * She pulls reader feedback into new posts. Testimonials, outcome stories, successes they’ve shared with her all become content, with permission. Key Quotes “It’s the doctoring through words, in a sense. But you’re touching lives I can’t see 50,000 people in a day, but I can send out a post.” — Dr. Laurie Marbas “You can’t let your past continue to dictate your future. When we choose to do that, that’s where we continue to struggle.” — Dr. Laurie Marbas “The moment you believe you deserve it and you start taking action, you shift. You start seeing opportunities. And you enjoy it, but you don’t hold on to it either.” — Dr. Laurie Marbas “You have to decide: is this a business or is this a hobby? Because that will dictate how you approach it.” — Dr. Laurie Marbas “Those are the ones that convert. Those are the ones that people share. You’re walking in with a different intention and you get a different outcome.” — Dr. Laurie Marbas Resources Mentioned * Atomic Habits by James Clear (Laurie interviewed James Clear approximately seven to eight years ago) * Visual Mnemonics series — six textbooks co-authored by Dr. Marbas during medical school, designed to help medical students retain complex information through visual learning * Zen Habits (blog by Leo Babauta) — referenced in context of early blogging strategy and the value of volume and consistency in building an audience * Russell Brunson’s funnel frameworks — mentioned as an influence on Laurie’s multi-platform approach to moving audiences toward Sub

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