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With David King, Max Webster, and Steve Lee
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PBJ is a weekly live show recorded at Presidio Bitcoin about open money and open intelligence. Join David King, Steve Lee, and Max Webster, longtime open technology advocates with deep roots in Silicon Valley, as they swap knowledge, challenge assumptions, and joust about the big questions of the day.

  1. 1d ago

    Keeping AI or SI open, Will math discoveries break ECDSA, Pathways for agentic payments

    0:00 - Confirming DK's identity 2:10 - Naming Open Source AI, how about Open Superintelligence? 5:53 - Open weights, open source, and model transparency 12:02 - Why NVIDIA could make Open Superintelligence real 19:50 - Is bitcoin dying from AI and quantum? 24:56 - ECDSA, and bitcoin’s assumptions 31:55 - OpenAI math breakthroughs and mathematicians’ backlash 39:04 - Winning people over with useful AI demos 49:52 - Fresh addresses, Taproot, and public key risk 57:35 - Steve's visit to Chaincode Dialogues and post-quantum bitcoin 1:02:57 - Anthropic security scans and Project Loupe 1:10:37 - Ledger supply-chain attack and hardware wallet trust 1:14:30 - Personal agents, GrokBot, and AI wallets 1:21:05 - Agent loops, email access, and deterministic control 1:33:23 - Cash App whole-coiner financing and AI banks

  2. Oct 2

    Starlink’s Internet Takeover, White House AI Accord, Bitcoin and Lightning for AI Agents

    0:00 - NCAA chaos and travel plans 4:06 - Deepfakes and proving identity (biometrics, signed video, Face ID) 12:07 - Key storage, social recovery and webs of trust 18:43 - Ideas for PBJ: AI fact-checkers, audience agents, live summaries 29:13 - Could an AI become PBJ’s fourth host (via Goose Development Kit)? 32:21 - What the White House AI accord actually does 37:18 - The problem with traditional audits for probabilistic AI systems 43:40 - america.gov and the AI ovethaul of government services 47:56 - Starlink’s path to becoming the internet 51:39 - Starlink’s (surprising) share of global internet capacity 58:42 - Starlink's centralization risk 1:08:48 - The future of the nation state 1:15:55 - Building agent economies with bitcoin 1:24:28 - Bitcoin for agent coordination and streaming inference payments Show Notes: White House Super Intelligence executive order: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/09/inaugurating-the-era-of-super-intelligence AI-powered government services portal: https://america.gov/

  3. Sep 25

    Block Brings Bitcoin to x402, Open USD Enters the Race, Trump Renames AI

    0:00 - PBJ growth, consistency, and staying ad-free 12:42 - Why PBJ changed its tagline 15:00 - AI agents the users bitcoin was waiting for 18:36 - How x402 added bitcoin and Lightning support 32:44 - Getting agents and merchants to choose bitcoin 48:26 - Open USD and the new stablecoin power structure 58:47 - Meta, Muse, and who controls agent payments 1:02:25 - Why pitch Lightning instead of bitcoin 1:09:12 - Will agents further centralize the internet? 1:14:02 - Mesh LLM: peer-to-peer inference with bitcoin payments 1:19:02 - Could Signal use Mesh LLM for private AI? 1:25:01 - Bitcoin-style incentives for a decentralized compute market 1:28:45 - Should the internet distinguish humans from agents? 1:35:06 - The emerging permissionless web stack (Nostr Blossom) 1:37:43 - Trump’s “super intelligence” rebrand and AI policy SHOW NOTES: x402: https://block.xyz/inside/block-joins-the-x402-foundation-to-advance-open-agentic-commerce Open USD: https://x.com/openstandard/status/2103152613634293959 Radar: https://radar.particle.pro/

  4. Sep 18

    Grokbot and Muse Take Agents Mainstream, Bitcoin’s Agent Moment, Dario vs Jensen on AI Pacing

    0:00 - How Buzz and GrokBot changed PBJ show prep 9:15 - Building a bitcoin-native agent with GrokBot 17:16 - Why agents will need bitcoin 19:08 - Integrating bitcoin payments into Mesh LLM 23:22 - Bitcoin vs stablecoins for agent payments (bitcoin's edge) 34:52 - Designing online services for agents 37:44 - Using GrokBot: building, personal assistant, convenience and security tradeoffs 43:39 - Passwords, 2FA and credentials for agents 56:55 - Why AI needs a new peer-to-peer internet 1:02:16 - Defining AGI, ASI and autonomous agency 1:05:50 - Who is liable for runaway agents? 1:16:28 - Can regulation keep up with frontier AI? 1:25:43 - AI hacking and the questions of agency and autonomy 1:31:01 - Spiral’s open-source AI film and interactive media ideas SHOW NOTES: https://meshllm.cloud/

  5. Sep 11

    Blockstream Liquid's $320M Hack, Open Source AI Summit Takeaways, Vora Reveal

    0:00 - Special Thursday PBJ 0:59 - How Blockstream Liquid works and how it was hacked 6:57 - The strange (extortionate?) “white hat” twist 10:45 - AI security scanning and Liquid’s 'fix' that made things worse 12:50 - What the Liquid hack reveals about federations and custody 20:07 - How Blockstream plans to make Liquid users whole 26:08 - Open Source AI Summit takeaways 31:30 - Anthropic and the threat to open-source AI 39:51 - Open protocols for agents, identity and memory 43:32 - Vora reveals stunning private, local AI hardware SHOW NOTES: https://opensourceaisummit.org/ https://vora.io/

  6. Aug 28

    Nvidia Bets Big on Open-Source AI, AI Finds Core Lightning Bugs, Aluminum-Powered Data Centers

    0:00 - Opening banter 0:40 - PBJ Topic Explorer 7:34 - Particle Radar brings AI search for the world’s podcasts 12:35 - Voya Energy's new approach to metal fuels for storage 23:25 - Nvidia doubles down on open-source AI (Hugging Face acquisition) 35:45 - Using GrokBot for long-horizon research 41:54 - Giving agents long-running goals 46:59 - New security risks and attack surfaces from trusting other agents 53:09 - Is Twitter or Cursor’s data more valuable? 1:03:50 - AI security investigations are getting harder 1:06:55 - Core Lightning vulnerabilities and disclosure dilemma 1:18:35 - How far ahead are frontier AI models? 1:23:36 - Building a market for cheap, spare compute 1:30:30 - Darkbloom’s decentralized (Mac) inference network SHOW NOTES: PBJ Topic Explorer: https://pbarchive.ai/topics/ Voya Energy: https://www.voya.energy/news/voya-energy-unveils-a-new-metal-fuels-energy-system-closes-35-million-series-a Darkbloom: https://www.darkbloom.dev/

  7. Aug 21

    BlackRock's New Case for Bitcoin, Stripe Buys OpenRouter, David Sacks at PB

    0:00 - What's behind bitcoin's rally? 8:33 - Open Source AI Summit and questions for David Sacks 18:00 - Berd and Block’s growing stack of open-source AI agents 22:30 - Alby's TaskFuel simplifying payments for agents 30:14 - The missing credential layer for agents 36:46 - Making sense of Stripe’s OpenRouter acquisition 48:02 - What's OpenRouter’s moat? 52:50 - Apple, OpenAI and the battle for user intent 57:46 - Making the internet infinitely programmable 1:07:47 - BlackRock's new case for bitcoin 1:21:03 - What causes bitcoin’s four-year cycle? 1:26:25 - Strategy's notable resilience 1:30:49 - Is bitcoin becoming more centralized and how best to measure it? SHOW NOTES: https://opensourceaisummit.org/ https://www.blackrock.com/us/financial-professionals/literature/whitepaper/re-underwriting-bitcoin.pdf

  8. Aug 7

    Bitcoin Security after COLDCARD, PB Media Archive Launch, Announcing the Type II Summit

    0:00 - Last week’s breakout episode 1:36 - Bitcoin, AI and energy are starting to converge 12:06 - Announcing the Type II Summit 15:05 - Panthalassa and offshore compute 17:30 - Introducing the PB Media Archive (pbarchive.ai) 22:15 - Reexamining podcast accountability and ad incentives post-COLDCARD 34:55 - The BTCPay Server exploit (happening in real time) 36:11 - No software project should assume it’s safe 41:20 - Why closed source won’t protect software from AI (OpenAI–Hugging Face incident) 53:40 - Project Loupe’s approach to AI security scanning & learnings 1:01:30 - The push to get early AI access for bitcoin developers 1:06:30 - How the COLDCARD incident has rallied bitcoin security (e.g., Bitcoin Red Team) 1:13:00 - The hidden risks of DIY bitcoin entropy 1:21:50 - Was the COLDCARD hack an inside job? 1:28:24 - Rethinking responsible disclosure in the AI era 1:35:12 - How vulnerable is the Lightning Network to AI? 1:37:25 - Will agents choose bitcoin or create something new? 1:42:45 - White-hat hacking, recovery and property rights 1:54:48 - Spiral’s idea for a neutral protocol for multi-vendor wallet security SHOW NOTES: PB Media Archive: https://pbarchive.ai/ COLDCARD PBJ: https://youtube.com/live/cSXOmwI38Jo?feature=share

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PBJ is a weekly live show recorded at Presidio Bitcoin about open money and open intelligence. Join David King, Steve Lee, and Max Webster, longtime open technology advocates with deep roots in Silicon Valley, as they swap knowledge, challenge assumptions, and joust about the big questions of the day.

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  • Creator
    With David King, Max Webster, and Steve Lee
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    85
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    PBJ

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