The Queer Love Podcast

Jerry Portwood

What do we know about love? Find, accept and explore love and commitment among gay, lesbian and trans people in queer relationships through storytelling and interviews with LGBTQ+ folx. queerloveproject.substack.com

  1. 5d ago

    Zachary Zane: “I saw myself having sex in order to write about it—which made it less fun.”

    When I decided to start The Queer Love Project two years ago, one of the first people I reached out to was Zachary Zane. He’d written for publications I ran over the years—including several very important reported pieces over at Rolling Stone—and I saw how successful he’d been with his Substack platform. Although we love reading your personal essays that reveal heartbreaks, happiness, secrets, reflections on coming out, and the intersection of families and other versions of “love,” we also value the sexual encounters and the realities of dating. As QLP co-editor pointed out: Maybe your story is too horny for the New York Time’s “Modern Love” column—or too sweet for Zachary Zane’s Boyslut—which means it could be just right for QLP. (I even published a piece with him so I could see what the experience was like.) When I read Boyslut, I was intrigued by how much he packed into this manifesto of a book. It’s a supremely delicious read (and listen). As Jennie Roberson wrote for Bi.org: “Boyslut is both a juicy, tawdry, revelatory memoir and a manifesto — or, as Zane puts it, a ‘confessional call-to-arms’ for people who want to defy stigma and cast off the shackles of sexual shame. If you’re brave enough to read it, you’ll find it packed with gems. … “Bisexuality is one of the book’s major themes. Zane talks at length about the societal pressures that hindered him from proudly owning and living out his bi identity and about the shame and stigma associated with being bi, especially for men. He also discusses many other familiar aspects of bi culture: from polyamory, STIs, and hookup apps to the unique pleasures of queer love. He talks about the various denials, dismissals and discoveries along the way, as well as the joy he felt when he finally accepted his identity and became an openly bi man, while reminding us of the long and arduous journey it took to get there.” I reached out to Zachary so we could have a chat during a live and see how things have been going for him and what he’s working on next. He had plenty to share! “So I’m 35 right now. It’s like, my twenties were about sex and cultivating experiences and having as much of it as possible. … I think, even though I’ve slowed down, it’s still more than most people sexually, but I go through waves. I’m not as horny as I used to be. “The idea of going out and f*****g… I’d rather just kind of get Thai food and cuddle with my partner these days. I’ve been a little more boring, but I still have that fun boy slutty side.” We also discussed several topics related to erotica writing, essay writing, moving into fiction, and evolving as an artist. We also discussed: * The intersection of scrupulous OCD and sexual shame * We relooked at the bi vs. pan “debate” (ZZ read the definitions from the book in case you’re curious to understand it all a little better) * What ZZ looks for in an erotic essay when deciding whether to accept a BOYSLUT submission * The biggest mistakes we both see from new writers * Whether or not you should share your “wilder” sex stories * Why ZZ has been dismissed among many in the literary world because he writes more explicitly about sex * But also why he thinks it’s necessary to write explicitly about sex and how it isn’t just for “shock value” * The need to “slow down” before accidentally giving someone the Boyfriend Experience (BFE) Before I wrap up: A quick reminder for anyone who wants to get their own narrative out into the world that my six-week generative writing workshop, ‘Our Stories, Our Terms,’ kicks off on Zoom this September 15th. I’m collaborating with Project Write Now, since I love the work that they do. We’ll be reading foundational queer texts and drafting our own personal essays. If you would like to take the class but may need some financial assistance, let me know, and we can discuss scholarship and other opportunities. It’s more important that you experience this workshop in which we’ll create and share a lot of work together more than anything else. Head over to pwnwriters.org to secure your spot, and I’ll see you in class! We’re celebrating our 2-year anniversary and offering a special 20% discount to become an annual subscriber. That means you’ll pay $24 for the entire year! **(if you’re currently paying $5 a month, consider upgrading since it will save you a bundle and help keep QLP growing and publishing essays, poetry and supporting queer creativity)** Thank you Brandon Ellrich, Amy Benavides, and many others for tuning into my live video with Zachary Zane! And thanks again for listening to the Queer Love Podcast. You can also like and follow the podcast on other platforms, including YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts (as well as other podcast platforms). Follow us on Instagram for more updates and fun stuff. We also have an Etsy page where you can find some of our merch! The Queer Love Project is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Queer Love Project at queerloveproject.substack.com/subscribe

  2. Aug 31

    Jack Parlett: ‘Love is a flamboyant feeling’

    Last week, the world mourned two pioneers of radical self-expression: Tim Curry, who has been beloved for his role as Dr Frank-N-Furter in The Rocky Horror Picture Show for decades, and at the same time, country superstar and national treasure Dolly Parton. The latter spent her career using a hyper-feminine, towering, glittering flamboyance as both a superpower and an emotional shield. Dolly was basically a drag queen—and I’m not the first person to say that. She even confirmed it in interviews over the years, stating: So it felt appropriate to speak with Jack Parlett, the writer, researcher and historian of LGBTQ+ culture whose most recent book is titled Flamboyance: The Power of Living Boldly. Jack’s first book, The Poetics of Cruising, followed his graduate research on the subject and is subtitled: “Queer Visual Culture from Whitman to Grindr.” He followed that up with a wonderful book that is part historical and part memoir, titled, Fire Island: A Century in the Life of an American Paradise. All that, and he just turned 34 years old! (Yes, I’m jealous.) I began by asking Jack how he had the confidence to embark on this subject—which so many people have so many opinions on—at such a young age. I could only imagine he’s heard plenty from those who have dedicated their lives to this queer sanctuary. For example, I had just read a wonderful piece by James Dale, who has been traveling and participating in various aspects of the culture of gay Fire Island since 1993. Jack confessed it probably because he was young and naive and didn’t realize that it would provoke so many opinions. Frank O’Hara’s Poetry We also had a great discussion of Frank O’Hara, who died at the age of 40 when he was struck by a dune buggy on the beach July 25, 1966. That led to a discussion of his poetry, why it has persisted for the past 60 years, and how it inspired Jack’s own research into cruising, flamboyance and Fire Island. Plus, Jack suggested three poems to get you started: * “Meditations in an Emergency” * “Having a Coke with You” * “Mayakovsky” (which was featured in an episode of Mad Men) The Quietly Flamboyant Evolution Jack writes beautifully about sober queerness and the misconception that “sobriety is where flamboyance goes to die.” He’s noted that while writing Fire Island, he was navigating his own problematic drinking habits in a historically hedonistic space. Now that he’s a few years into recovery, I was curious how his understanding of “flamboyance” shifted? In particular: How can sobriety itself—with its radical candor and clarity—become its own powerful, intimate form of queer self-expression and love? You’ll want to listen to his answer (That’s around the 19-minute mark.) Why love is a flamboyant feeling I played a clip from the audiobook for Jack (narrated by Joe Jameson), and we discussed his statement about what it means to love flamboyantly or “to not run away from the dangers of love, as well as this quotation: “There are few people more dramatic than those with broken hearts. Few more likely to use the language of catastrophe and death to describe their feelings. Having spent most of my life in the throws of an overwhelming crush, the raw and early choked up days of a breakup or even, years henc,e pining for memories that seem to be slipping out of view…” Pop music and role models To close things out, I asked Jack a few rapid-fire questions, including: * What pop music does he turn to in times of need? Answer: After Lorde, there’s Chappel Roan (and Dolly Parton, of course). As well as Joni Mitchell. * What historical figure he’d choose to be his teenage queer role model: Answer: James Baldwin * What’s his first personal memory of wearing or doing something unapologetically flamboyant?Answer: a blue ball gown as a kid “I remember being maybe eight or nine and being around a friend’s house and we raided her mum’s wardrobe, and I wore this blue long ball gown. I’m just having the time of my life as a happy memory. It wasn’t a common occasion, but in some ways, I guess the sheer playfulness and almost fearlessness of that is That’s the project for me. It’s like working my way back to that, I think.” * Is there a piece of art, literature, or media that you think perfectly captures the essence of queer romance?Answer: The TV show Looking Of course I had plenty to add on this topic, including why I think Looking is such an important show and people need to discover it (or rewatch) if they haven’t already. Plus, I’ll give another pug for It’s a Sin! If you’re curious what Jack’s flamboyant Loewe coat looks like, here’s a recent shot of him wearing it (and is featured in this UK Sunday Times piece, which is unfortunately blocked behind a paywall). Thanks everyone for watching or listening, you can find Jack Parlett’s latest book, Flamboyance: The Power of Living Boldly, as well as his fantastic history of queer sanctuary, Fire Island: A Century in the Life of an American Paradise, everywhere books are sold. If you loved today’s episode and want to dive deeper into these stories of queer connection, please consider supporting us by upgrading to a paid subscription on our Queer Love Project Substack. Your financial support directly funds our independent queer storytelling, keeps this podcast running, and gives you exclusive access to our community archive and weekly bonus content. Get full access to The Queer Love Project at queerloveproject.substack.com/subscribe

  3. Aug 29

    What’s ‘Pink Crime’ and How Do We Overcome Biases in the Legal System?

    I met Valena Beety earlier this summer during a reading event at the Bureau of General Services—Queer Division, a cultural space and bookstore located at The Center in New York City, when she was promoting her groundbreaking book, Pink Crime: Fighting Against the Criminalization of Motherhood, Pregnancy, and Queer Identity. It’s a fascinating read and many of the cases and case studies will surprise you—especially if you’re not as familiar with some of the landmark legal cases of the past few decades (including the women known as the “San Antonio Four” who were eventually exonerated) that have sought to criminalize us. I was eager to talk to her and uncover how the American legal system weaponizes queer identity, criminalizes alternative families, and fabricates guilt out of who we love. I hope you enjoy the episode and share it with others—we keep all our posts free—and if you are experiencing any situations and need assistance you find the resources available to help in your time of need. Before I recap the talking points we covered, I wanted to address one of the questions that a person raised in the chat during our live conversation. The person asked for help in getting out of a relationship that involved “coercive control.” What is coercive control? "Coercive control is a pattern of intentional, ongoing behavior designed to exert power and dominance over another person in an intimate or family relationship. Coercive controlling behaviors go beyond isolated incidents of physical violence to include a broad range of tactics that systematically restrict a person’s autonomy, independence, and decision making over time. Coercive control can be defined as an intentional pattern of behavior that takes place over time in order for one individual to exert excessive and harmful power over another. “The effect of coercive control is to make a person dependent on their abuser by isolating them from external support, depriving them of independence, and regulating daily life in ways that erode freedom and self-determination. Experts, including domestic abuse researchers, liken the experiences of survivors in coercive control relationships to being entrapped in a world created by the abuser in which the victim’s reality, choices, and rights are systematically undermined.” We were unable to quickly provide resources for this person, but I did do some online research and found that the National Domestic Violence Hotline does offer help in such cases. Their “caring, supportive and well-trained advocates” can provide safety tips and referrals to services and resources in your community. Call 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) That said, if you are looking for support online, the Office on Women’s Health shares this important safety warning: “Anyone with access to your phone or computer can check which websites you visit. It’s not possible to clear your Internet history completely from your computer or phone. It may be safer to use a public computer, such as at a library, or a friend’s phone. ” I wish I could provide more support, but I hope this is a start and you and others are able to find the help you need. I think you’ll enjoy this episode overall—especially how we ended it by calling for more same-gender kissing and more “queer kiss-ins”! Here’s a rundown of some of what we covered during this episode. What is the "No-Crime" Phenomenon? Valena’s research shows that nearly three-quarters of exonerated women (that’s 75% y’all) were wrongfully convicted of crimes that never actually happened. I was curious how homophobia, misogyny and outdated practices act as the "evidence" that helps prosecutors secure these bogus convictions. * This includes old-world “witch trial” logic like the “float test” to modern pseudoscientific diagnoses. The system often couples bad forensics with gender bias to build a narrative of guilt. * Valena also shared how women and queer people are significantly more vulnerable to giving false confessions under police pressure. * Then there’s contemporary anti-LGBTQ+ laws that rely on historical panic surrounding queer people. The legal system currently uses malicious “groomer” narratives to criminalize just existing, for example, as a trans youth or drag performer. Weaponizing Queer Parenting In the book, Valena discusses the criminalization of parenting decisions and motherhood. She herself is married to a woman and is a parent, so she understands this fear first hand. For example, she never takes any innocent “bathtime” photos, and when her mother shared one recently, she deleted it from her phone immediately due to any perceived implications it could pose. In many ways queer parents are judged by outdated, heteronormative standards of what a "good parent" looks like. We also brought up the recent issue of “swatting” that Pete Buttigieg faced, in which an anonymous caller contacted Child Protective Services and claimed to have met Buttigieg at a conference several years ago in Alabama, “where she said I told her that I had committed unspeakable violent crimes, and the caller believed my children were still at risk.” He details it here on his own Substack in a piece titled, “A Terrible Thing Happened to My Family”: “The twenty-four hours until they returned are among the darkest hours of my life. I tried to get my head around the idea that I had been accused of something so serious that I couldn’t be alone around my own children, and had consented to have them interviewed by strangers, without my knowing where the accusation had come from or even what it contained.” Y’all, this happened to a prominent, privileged cis white man. If it can happen to him, how the hell do you think you’d react in a similar situation? Love as a Safety Net In Pink Crime, we see how isolation makes people vulnerable to wrongful convictions, while community and partnerships offer a lifeline. Valena explained how queer couples can intentionally foster “relationship security” so that their partnership acts as a safe harbor against a hostile world. She also advised that the true antidote to these punitive policies is visibility and telling our own stories. In particular, she said the queer community should use storytelling as a form of legal and cultural defense. Advice on Building a Secure Relationship Navigating a world with systemic biases can create a lot of external anxiety for LGBTQ+ couples. I asked Valena—based on her own journey as a queer woman, wife, and mother—what advice she had for queer people looking to build a deeply secure, resilient relationship. And how she keeps outside societal pressures from fracturing that bond. She gave a deeply personal and moving answer: “My advice for myself, and this has been really important to my relationship, is that these outside pressures can be real. They can become real stress in a relationship. ... Even if we’re not experiencing it directly, we’re absorbing it and we’re hearing things. “And that can manifest in pettiness with our partner. It’s so important for me and my partner to always come back to love, to know that at the base of our relationship, we are on the same team. We are on the same team against all of this." "So, we can we can have our fears and our frustrations—and take them out in ways that may not, you know, be be supportive of each other—but at the end of that argument, remember: We love each other. We are on the same team, and our love is so important to making it through all of this.” “I mean, really, like this is just a lesson from decades and from queer elders, right? That there’s going to be the stigma. There’s going to be the attacks. So it’s so crucial to remember that your relationship is rooted in love.” Kissing as a Strategy for Resistance! Finally, we left everyone with a strategy suggested by Valena that I cosign! “One of my favorite strategies of resistance is, if you’re at an event where there’s, for example, the lieutenant governor of Indiana, who is a huge homophobe: My wife and I will just start kissing, and I love it! “I’m in a parade and someone’s going by.? We make sure [we kiss'] because it’s legal. It’s love. It makes people feel awkward. It’s great!” Thanks to everyone who joined us live during this fascinating conversation that provided some essential information and guidance as we all continue to navigate our precarious and confusing times. And thanks to Valena Beety for spending time during the beginning of her busy fall semester teaching to spread the love! To celebrate our 2-year anniversary, we’re offering a special 20% discount to become an annual subscriber. That means you’ll pay $24 for the entire year! Get full access to The Queer Love Project at queerloveproject.substack.com/subscribe

  4. Aug 23

    “I wanted to put intimate partner violence and abuse front and center.”

    I had a great time getting to know Wyatt O’Brian Evans during our recent chat. Wyatt’s a radio host and a powerful voice in the LGBTQ+ community (you can check out his show on YouTube as well). He’s the author of the Nothing Can Tear Us Apart series, which explores the deep complexities of romance, resilience, and survival among same-gender-loving men of color. Since his brand-new erotic psychological thriller, Ruthless!, had just dropped, we were ready to dive into We talked about: * His main characters Wes (an African American media mogul) and ‘Tonio (Wes’ fiercely protective Puerto Rican soulmate) * Why he intentionally wrote a "slow burn" scenario to show them falling into love rather than just lust. * The reason he wanted them in a rock-solid, monogamous relationship * How E. Lynn Harris’ books in the ‘90s paved the way for Black same-gender-loving storylines (and how different it is now) * The self-care and healing that Wyatt does to handle his own trauma as a survivor and when he’s writing * How he approaches writing sex scenes, including a very steamy threesome in Ruthless! I was also curious about this sexy cover of the book that he’s shared… Wyatt made sure to mention how happy he was about the blurb he received from James Earl Hardy, author of the bestselling B-Boy Blues series: “Nothing Can Tear Us Apart: RUTHLESS! is one “ju-say”—aka juicy in Wyatt speak—spicy bowl of gumbo, seamlessly mixing melodrama, erotica, suspense, and thrills. Wyatt delivers the laughs, the emotional gut-punches, the sexual heat, and the make-you-do-a-double-take/jaw-on-the-floor moments. Literature that is LIT—that’s my kinda page turner!” What is intimate partner violence and abuse? I’m very curious about how, in queer relationships, there is often a false assumption that because partners share the same gender, the power dynamics are inherently equal. And I was curious how Wyatt’s book addresses that myth. That got us on to the topic of intimate partner violence and abuse (IPVA) within the LGBTQ+ community, a topic that Wyatt is well-versed on. In fact, you can read more about it on his Substack and website, and this is a good place to begin. As Wyatt stated: “Stigma is the driving force as to why IPVA incidences are so under-dramatically reported, particularly with us men. Because let's face it, no man wants it known that another man is whooping his ass. It's the whole self-esteem, the machismo, the masculinity—whatever you want to call it. Stigma is such a powerful thing.” Did you know that each year, between at least 100,000 lesbians and 500,000 gay/SGL men are battered, and about one in four LGBTQ+ relationships/ partnerships are abusive in some way? I’ll let you listen in to the rest of our lively conversation to learn more. And if you were curious, the erotica author that Wyatt mentioned loving is Zane (the pen name of Kristina Laferne Roberts). She became a dominant force in African American literature, and her immense popularity led her to partner with Simon & Schuster, turning her independent publishing venture, Strebor Books International, into a major corporate imprint. I did a little sleuthing, and her most notable novels include Addicted, The Sex Chronicles, Nervous and Afterburn. (There’s an ebook collection of several available here.) Thank you Clint Collide, Rande Iaboni, and many others for tuning into my live video with WYATT! Out Loud! To celebrate our 2-year anniversary, we’re offering a special 20% discount to become an annual subscriber. That means you’ll pay $24 for the entire year! The Queer Love Project is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Queer Love Project at queerloveproject.substack.com/subscribe

  5. May 31

    Katrina Anne Willis explains why the first real betrayal in a late-in-life coming-out story is the "betrayal of self"

    I was excited to finally chat with Katrina Anne Willis about her memoir Hurricane Lessons: A Memoir of Betrayal and Becoming. It’s a gripping story of late-in-life queer awakening, institutional gaslighting, and the devastating cost of finally choosing personal truth. Last year, we published an essay by Katrina titled “I Was Gay, and He Was Understanding,” which is a companion to her memoir. It starts with the line: “In my 46th year on this planet, I found out I was gay.” She’s now 56 and is living in Lexington, Kentucky, so we jumped into what it meant to have this beautiful story out in the world for others to engage with at this point in her life (and during this complex political moment in the United States). As a mother of four, Katrina faced the gut-wrenching task of balancing personal liberation with family upheaval. As she writes in Hurricane Lessons: “I often found myself trapped between the rebellious fire that burned in my belly and the relentless need to be what everyone else wanted and expected me to be.” At first, Katrina’s ex-husband, who knew she was attracted to other women, suggested an open marriage as a compromise. This strategy failed. Katrina deftly relays how differing expectations of "freedom" exposed deeper power dynamics and underlying control issues within their relationship. When she was helping her husband fill out his Tinder profile, she said, “The Catholic girl in me was screaming, ‘What are you doing?’” She ended up meeting women and men on the apps as well—something that is difficult for everyone, but especially in midlife. Katrina said the most difficult thing she ever did in her life was coming out as gay to her kids. (You can hear her explain that at the 16:50 mark.) She said her children haven’t read the memoir (as far as she knows), but they all have a good relationship at this point. Although she did point out that her “catalyst” was her daughter’s friend’s mom and that made things rocky between Katrina and her daughter for a time. I was curious if she had any advice for others who may find themselves in a similar situation, whether that’s a mixed-orientation marriage or someone navigating the decision to open their relationship to other physical or emotional possibilities. Especially since, as she emphasizes in her memoir, the first real betrayal in a late-in-life coming-out story is actually the "betrayal of self." “My former husband used to say to me, during our divorce, ‘You’ve built your entire life on lies.’ And I never agreed with that,” Katrina explained. “Because I never truly understood who I was. And it does feel like a betrayal to my self. I obviously don’t want to go back—because I have these four wonderful kids, and I wouldn’t have gotten them without living the life that I did—but I did betray myself in a way by not knowing who I was better. Or not delving deeper. Or not agreeing to acquiesce all the time. I just became who everyone else wanted me to be.” We also spoke about Robert Fisher’s book, The Fisher King and the Handless Maiden, because Katrina cited him in her memoir because he writes about how Sanskrit has 96 words for love, ancient Persian has eight, Greek has three, and English has only one. As Katrina writes: “He surmises that the reason we have only one word for love is because we don’t give that realm of feeling enough importance. “Ninety-six words for love. Love for significant others. Love for friends. Love for sexual partners. Love for children. Love for ideology. Love for animals. Love for the land. For food. For air. For the salty sea. For the wind in our hair. So many kinds of love. So much love. But the ones that describe that essential human relationship—be it man/woman, man/man, woman/woman, or any other genders—those become blurry for me. And not indistinguishably blurry. I have female friends I’m not one bit attracted to physically. But when all those attractions converge?” So I asked Katrina that rhetorical one she poses in the book: “When spirituality, intellect, and skin collide, how do you distinguish in love from love?” “You’re not allowed to ask me that,” Katrina said. “That’s rhetorical!” You’ll want to hit play and listen/watch to find out how she explained it (that’s around the 26:25 minute mark). The memoir also highlights extreme domestic retaliation, including gaslighting, threats, and an involuntary psychiatric commitment, which we discussed. As she explained, there’s not a lot of great advice out there for people who may be navigating similar situations, so she wanted to publish this memoir. “Make sure you understand your finances,” Katrina advised. “And make sure you have control over those things. … And I had so much guilt that I didn’t fight for anything. Looking back, I think there’s a lot of things I could have done to secure my own future better. … Of course there’s gonna be guilt, but it’s important to stay true to yourself.” Hurricane Lessons is a harrowing read at points, especially to witness how Katrina’s community and institutions weaponized her mental health crisis against her queer awakening—but I hope you’ll read or listen and find out how she survived to share her story with us and offer a roadmap for others. The Queer Love Project is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Queer Love Project at queerloveproject.substack.com/subscribe

  6. May 10

    Claybourne Elder on being a gay dad, growing up Mormon, and the kindness of strangers

    I spoke with with Claybourne Elder, a performer who many may know from his breakout role as John Adams on HBO’s The Gilded Age and his roles in Broadway revivals like Company. Most recently, he has channeled his journey from a Mormon upbringing in Utah to fatherhood in New York into his debut solo album, If The Stars Were Mine. You can stream it on the platforms and it’s now on vinyl from Center Stage Records and available for purchase on his website. It happened to be Mother’s Day, and Clay explained that his son Bo decided years ago that he would celebrate one of his father’s on that day, so this year it was Clay’s turn to have “Papa’s Day.” This may be a spoiler for some, but Clay’s character in Gilded Age looked like he was about to get love with Oscar van Rhijn (played by Blake Ritson), the man he’d been having a clandestine relationship with. And then he was tragically killed! (This took place in Season 3, episode 6 if you’re curious.) I wanted to know what that was like—both portraying an authentic male-male romance in the late 19th century, as well as knowing he was doomed. Clay had thoughts… OK, yes, there is a lot of musical theater talk on this episode. But can you blame us? Clay said that he and his older gay brother used to sing musicals together as kids, and they had a particular love of Judy Garland and Edith Piaf. Oh, and we also talked about the queer joy of Cats: The Jellicle Ball, the revival of the Andrew Lloyd Webber musical that was recently nominated for bunches of Tonys. Of course, Clay got the QLP “Big One”: Based on the QLP questionnaire, I asked him how he defined love? Is it the “strong feeling” that hits you instantly, or is it the “thing you work at” over a long period of time? You’ll definitely want to listen in and hear his answer, along with his advice for those who are looking for love. He doesn’t say STAY OFF INSTAGRAM, but he does comment on how we get too involved in other people’s relationships and the way they are telegraphed on social media. He also explained what his older sister said when he brought his first boyfriend home, and how he and his husband, Eric Rosen, decided to become parents and navigated surrogacy to become dads. I was curious to learn more about his City of Strangers initiative, which was born from a random $200 gift that changed his life. In particular, I wanted to know if, in the context of queer community, viewed that kind of "stranger-kindness" as a form of platonic love? Turns out, he’s now friends with the guy who gave him that money all those years ago! We also discussed his latest role as the dentist in Little Shop of Horrors, which he joins on May 26 in New York City. Before that, one of the chat questions was about playing “unsavory” character Jackie in The Wild Party. Clay said he liked playing villains since that’s now how most people typically see him, but his son Bo was not allowed to come see him in that production—but will be invited to see him as Dr. Orin Scrivello in Little Shop. By the way, here’s the complete track list of his If the Stars Were Mine album. As Clay explained, the album tells a complete story, but he did reveal which song was his favorite (at this moment) before we let him enjoy the rest of his Papa’s Day. Thanks to everyone who joined our conversation live. You can find the vinyl of Clay’s album at his website and learn more about his City of Strangers initiative as well. Email us at queerloveprojectsub@gmail.com to take “The QLP Questionnaire.”Plus, find out how to submit your original personal essay to The Queer Love Project. We pay our contributors, so your subscription and support is valuable! Thanks for reading. The Queer Love Project is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Queer Love Project at queerloveproject.substack.com/subscribe

  7. Apr 27

    The radical joy of queer travel

    I met Lindsey Danis while in Baltimore during the annual AWP conference. She told me about her forthcoming book, (Out) on the Road, and I was excited to discuss the idea of “queer travel” and how that intersects with our search for love, opportunities for discovery and celebration. We published Lindsey’s essay “Lost in Apalachicola” last week, which is an excerpt from the book, and details a time when Lindsey was traveling with a romantic partner and experienced some unexpected challenges during this unusual camping trip. As Lindsey writes: “I’d fancied myself an adventurous spirit in need of toughening up, but instead I was dead weight. I had no useful skills to offer the group. I’d used travel like a magic trick, wanting liminality to hack my healing, but I wasn’t ready to let go of the past.” In fact, I’d been on quite a road trip of my own when I spoke with Lindsey. I was tucked into my younger brother’s spare room in his new home in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I’d just driven up from my parents’ home in the Deep South where I’d also been busy guncling (I happened to see all five of my nephews and niece on this side of the family during this Southern sojourn). I know the region of north Florida and South Georgia fairly well since I graduated from high school in Valdosta, Georgia. While it’s not a place I particularly thrive in, I do always find creative inspiration—from the storytelling culture to the food and hijinks that eventually ensue. Later that day, I traveled to Nashville, where we were set to host QLP’s first live event in the South at The Porch on Saturday afternoon. I am thrilled to report that the event was a huge success, and I will share more dispatches about that soon enough. Lindsey—who lives in the Hudson Valley of New York with her partner and two dogs and is always hiking, kayaking or cooking—and I talked about a lot of fun topics, including her honeymoon (and why I struggled suggesting destinations when I was an editor at OutTraveler), the distinct needs and struggles for trans and gender nonconforming travelers, and her favorite destinations around the world. I hope you enjoy the conversation. I’m curious what your favorite spots to visit are and if you have any hints, recommendations or travel stories you’d like to share. In fact, this chat inspired me to launch a flash nonfiction “contest” with a travel theme to see what you’ll submit. I’ll be sharing these details (and more prompts) in a separate post, but here’s how it works if you want to get started: (Mini) Flash Nonfiction Essay Contest Theme/Topic: My Perfect Day (of Travel) In just 300 words or less, recount a perfect day of travel that has resonated with you and sparked “queer love” of some sort. It could be an entire day from start to finish, a sliver of an afternoon, something you remember from childhood or an impactful Sunday from last month. We want to know what happened and why it has stuck with you. This could be travel with friends, a new romantic interest, an old flame, or your primary partner. Just keep it short! The winner will have their flash nonfiction piece published on The Queer Love Project later this summer. Deadline: May 30 at 3 a.m. ET / Midnight PT Please note: This will be a “free post” (meaning we won’t be paying contributors upon publication as we do with other essays) but you will receive a copy of Vol. 1 or 2 ofThe QLP Quarterly zine. Email us at queerloveprojectsub@gmail.com to take “The QLP Questionnaire.”Plus, find out how to submit your original personal essay to The Queer Love Project. We pay our contributors, so your subscription and support is valuable! Thanks for reading. The Queer Love Project is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Queer Love Project at queerloveproject.substack.com/subscribe

  8. Apr 20

    The QLP Book Club: Mac Crane's 'A Sharp Endless Need'

    It’s been nearly a year since we hosted our first QLP Book Club. Over that time I’ve been thrilled to talk to so many talented authors about their novels and how they intersected with various topics of queer love. But I have to admit, I was disappointed that I hadn’t yet had the opportunity to focus on female-bodied desire. So I was thrilled to have author Mac Crane as our latest selection. In A Sharp Endless Need, the intensity of high school basketball serves as a high-stakes arena for grief, queer awakening, and the crushing weight of perfectionism. Set in a small Pennsylvania town in 2004, the novel follows star point guard Mack Morris as they navigate a senior year defined by the death of their father and an all-consuming obsession with new teammate Liv Cooper. As Mac writes at one point in this moving, heartbreaking and—ultimately—hopeful novel, basketball is "more erotic than dancing" and a form of "f*****g without touching." As someone who has never quite loved team sports and used to be fearful of athletic folks of all genders and persuasions, I have to say, Mac does an incredible job of showing the erotics of bball. Or as Mac stated quite bluntly: “Is basketball sex?” Thanks for reading The Queer Love Project! This post is public so feel free to share it. What’s so fantastic about the queer love angle is that it’s less about a "coming out" story and more about the visceral, often messy collision of desire and survival. I read Mac’s first book—I Keep My Exoskeletons to Myself—and loved it, but it’s so different. It’s a speculative fiction novel about a queer mother grieving her wife's death while raising a child in a dystopian surveillance state. Although I know every author hates this question, A Sharp Endless Need seems to have some autobiographical elements, so I asked Mac (the author) to share the inspiration and impetus to devote your creative energy to explore Mack, the character’s, story. Mac shared that they did play basketball in college, but the book is obviously not autobiographical. First, however, we discussed that byline change from Marisa to Mac and whether it had anything to do with the character. “Everybody is like, ‘Oh wow, way to change it up,’ I realized my name can be something different, and I wished my name was Mac. It’s not my alter ego, but it is writing a different version of myself. I realized: Oh, you can change yourself.” Interestingly, Mac also talked about allowing themself to write about sports in literary fiction and how that doesn’t seem like someone writers have permission to do. “There’s still the age-old idea about jock versus nerd. Or how sports are not intellectual,” Mac explained. “This thing was a part of my life for 20 years, but I don’t think I can write about it.” Since the novel is set in the early 2000s—and it captures a specific era of "Bush-era homophobia" and the pre-social media world of AIM and shared cell phones—I was curious: How did Mac think Mack and Liv’s relationship would differ if the story were set today? In particular, would their young queer love have evolved in any significant ways since then (especially with apps, etc.)? “It was interesting to write about that precipice of technology,” Mac admitted. “I did share a phone with my mom. But I didn’t feel any stress about that.” A fascinating area that we discussed with the erotics of women’s sports—in contrast to male athletes in sports—something I had no frame of reference about. “It’s often different in women’s sports; queerness is more acceptable. For them, they’re comfortable expressing themselves, their eroticism, their chemistry, their communication through those micro-movements of joy and celebration through basketball.” Plus, we talked about Sheryl Swoopes (who first emerged from the closet in 2005) and Brittney Griner, and how there are more out WNBA players now, but that a lack of openly queer people in college or pro sports was still a thing in 2004. In the same vein, I mentioned the struggle for Abby Wambach and Megan Rapinoe (who I profiled in 2011, when she came out publicly) in soccer. Then Mac talked about basketball as a form of prayer and playing the game as a type of church (check that out around the 18:00 minute mark). Also, how a basketball season can mirror a Shakespearean tragedy and provides great fodder for drama, conflict and tension. Afterward, we talked about the infamous “bathtub scene.” This is one that fans of the book who recommended it to me said I had to discuss. Although, I played a couple of the audio clips with the narrator, Dani Martineck, who I think brings a wonderful element to the audiobook, I intentionally didn’t want to spoil this scene for any of the people who haven’t read (or listened) to it yet. But to fill you in: On the court, Mack seems like the “alpha”—the point guard in control. In the bathtub, however, they are physically and emotionally naked. The bathtub scene is one of the few moments where Mack allows themself to be cared for rather than having to perform. I asked Mac to share how they crafted this moment, and it’s a great response (you can listen in at the 25:03-minute moment in the video). Mac approached it as a cinematic moment and hopes this will enter into the queer canon of bathtub scenes (like The Talented Mr. Ripley and Saltburn). We discussed so many other elements of this novel, so I hope you enjoy listening in and discovering why A Sharp Endless Need is one of my favorite books that I’ve read from the past five years and clearly deserves to be included in a new canon of queer literature that explores love and relationships. To wrap things up, I asked about Mac’s new book out this summer Perverts, a collection of 17 stories. It’s been described as: “A provocative and uproarious collection about pleasure, performance, and pain, Perverts is an exaltation of the awesome depravity of queer modernity.” And at least one writer has called Mac the “queer George Saunders,” which seemed to pique the interest of several of the subscribers who joined us for the live conversation. Thanks to all who joined us for the latest QLP Book Club. Stay tuned for the next selection, which will be announced soon and take place in June. If you have any recommendations, please don’t hesitate to leave them in the comments or in our chat or DM us directly. And if you want to join us for one of the upcoming live events taking place this spring or summer, then go to the link below. Until next time! The Queer Love Project is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Queer Love Project at queerloveproject.substack.com/subscribe

    The QLP Book Club: Mac Crane's 'A Sharp Endless Need'

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