The Tarot Podcast with T. Susan Chang

T. Susan Chang
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The Tarot Podcast, hosted by author and teacher T. Susan Chang, is a tarot podcast for everybody - those who love tarot, and those who are just tarot-curious. Here we ask tarot scholars and experts the big questions everyone has about the cards; we explore card meanings as they actually show up for modern-day readers, and we talk to the creators of some of today’s most popular decks. The Tarot Podcast currently releases once every two weeks. By supporting the podcast on Patreon, you can help the show expand and support its mission to connect the global tarot community!

  1. 5D AGO

    Episode 48: What is the Tarot de Marseille? with Sherryl Smith

    The Rider Waite Smith and Thoth tarot decks may be the most recognized decks in the English-speaking world. But it is the Tarot de Marseille, known in tarot circles as the TdM, that has the furthest intercontinental reach and the longest history. Even today, it is the deck most widely used in European countries. This week, tarot historian and independent scholar Sherryl Smith takes us on a journey through the origins and idiosyncrasies of the TdM.  Next week, we’ll have a discussion of how to actually use the TdM! which intimidates many readers with its cryptic woodcut imagery and non-scenic pips. Be sure to listen through to the end of the episode for a demonstration reading with the TdM! Bonus TdM readings can be found on our Patreon website (www.patreon.com/thetarotpodcast), and we will have another set of readings to go with next week’s episode. If you’d like to submit a question for a future reading on the Tarot Podcast, sign up as a paid member! (https://patreon.com/thetarotpodcast). You’ll find out when readings are happening on Patreon or Discord and be able to share your question then! All images for this episode can be viewed on Patreon, or on the YouTube version of the show. Sherryl Smith’s tarot journey began over 50 years ago when she saw David Palladini’s Aquarian deck in a bookstore and instantly recognized an important turning point in her life. She has been studying the history of tarot and reading with historic decks for 25 years.  Her website Tarot-Heritage.com tells the story of tarot’s 600-year history. The Cartomancy section of the website has everything you need to get started reading with historic decks like the Tarot de Marseille Links for this episode: Sherryl’s website: https://tarot-heritage.com Purchase historic decks at Tarot Arts https://tarotarts.com/collections/tarot-decks-and-kits/realm_historic-decks? Episode 20: What is the Rider Waite Smith Tarot? with Mary K. Greer https://youtu.be/qOcUbM9t8eo Episode 21: What is the Thoth Tarot? with Lon Milo DuQuette https://youtu.be/njY_oyfgb7g Video version of the episode:   Sherryl’s TdM Resources: Books Yoav Ben Dov. The Marseille Tarot Revealed: A Complete Guide to Symbolism, Meanings and Methods. (Llewellyn, 2017) https://www.amazon.com/Marseille-Tarot-Revealed-Complete-Symbolism/dp/0738752282 Carrie Spider. Tarot de Marseille: Reading the Cards as They Were Used. Self-published 2026. https://www.amazon.com/Tarot-Marseille-Reading-Cards-They/dp/B0GBT7SYD4 Wayne Limberger. Pips, Courts and Trumps: A Simple Guide to the Tarot de Marseille. Ebook available at Lulu.com. https://www.lulu.com/shop/wayne-limberger/pips-courts-and-trumps-a-short-simple-guide-to-the-tarot-de-marseille/ebook/product-5mm5rp.html   Where to purchase decks in the US US Games: https://www.usgamesinc.com/?target=search&mode=search&substring=marseille&including=all CBD Tarot de Marseille. Produced by Yoav Ben Dov, author of the book listed above. Tarot Arnoux & Amphoux 1801, produced by the French card maker Yves Reynaud listed below. Tarot de Marseille Convos Llewellyn.com: https://www.llewellyn.com/browse_category.php?start=0&sort_by=&product_category_id=232 Universal Tarot de Marseille Tarot de Marseille Tarot de Marseille Mini Artisan Tarot https://artisantarot.com/ Unique and whimsical decks: Marseille Cat Tarot Squid Cake Marseille The Rider-Marseille Tarot Deck Where to purchase decks in Europe https://tarot-de-marseille-heritage.com/ Yves Reynaud of Marseille makes facsimiles of historic Tarot de Marseille decks he finds in museums. The production quality and price are designed for the average card reader. https://www.facebook.com/Marco.C.Benedetti.Tarot Marco Benedetti of Rome has a Facebook page—no website. Handcrafted decks at reasonable prices. Pierre Madenié 1709 is a favorite.     Become a Tarot Podcast member! patreon.com/thetarotpodcast Shop for Tarot Podcast MERCH! & cool stuff made by your host! etsy.com/shop/tarotista Sign up for readings and explore books and classes! thetarotpodcast.com Continue your tarot journey with The Living Tarot book and/or The Living Tarot online class (discount for class available if you purchase the book!)

    31 min

  2. APR 29

    Episode 47: An Artomancy Reading with Laetitia Barbier

    In this week’s Tarot Podcast episode, we welcome back goth tarot queen Laetitia Barbier to boldly engage! in a special kind of divination devised by Laetitia herself: ARTOMANCY!.  Together, Laeti and I do an on-the-spot artomancy reading on a listener-submitted question. If the technique intrigues you, you can book your own custom artomancy reading with Laetitia at her website! (Links below).   For our bonus content this week, check out my final conversation with Laetitia , on the question of whether tarot art is inherently magical. You can check that out by becoming a paid Patreon member, thereby unlocking all our bonus content, the chance to submit a question when we have guest readings, and countless other perks! https://patreon.com/thetarotpodcast/membership.   French-born Laetitia Barbier is an independent scholar, as well as a professional tarot reader and teacher. She earned a Bachelor's Degree in Art History from La Sorbonne University Paris in 2009. Laetitia has worked with Morbid Anatomy from 2012 to 2024 as a programming director, head librarian, and occasional curator. Her book Tarot and Divination Cards: A Visual Archive was published in 2021 with a foreword by Rachel Pollack. Along with her friend Lou Benesch, she’s the co-creator of the Camena Tarot. As a writer and scholar, she has the privilege of collaborating with the iconic French maître-cartier Grimaud, notably on the exquisite re-release of their 1930s Tarot de Marseille and Belline Oracle. Laetitia has lectured, taught and read cards for various cultural institutions, such as Greenwood Cemetery, Artyard,  Fotografiska NY, the College of Psychic Studies in London or the New York Public Library. She lives in Brooklyn, New York.   Book your own custom Artomancy session! https://www.laetitiacartomancy.com/tarot-sessions/p/artomancy-using-art-as-a-mantic-tool-special-reading-session Explore Laetitia’s events, readings, and classes: https://laetitiacartomancy.com Join Laetitia’s Patreon community https://www.laetitiacartomancy.com/patreon     __________________________________________ Become a Tarot Podcast member! patreon.com/thetarotpodcast Shop for Tarot Podcast MERCH! & cool stuff made by your host! etsy.com/shop/tarotista Sign up for readings and explore books and classes! thetarotpodcast.com Continue your tarot journey with The Living Tarot book and/or The Living Tarot online class (discount for class available if you purchase the book!)

    18 min

  3. APR 22

    Episode 46: Priming the Pump (the tarot technique you never knew you needed)

    In this week’s Try This at Home! segment, host T. Susan shares a powerful technique for reliably getting answers from your cards. Learn it in 5 seconds, apply it in 5 minutes, and enjoy the benefits for the rest of your life as a tarot reader! Give ‘priming the pump’ a try the next time you read for yourself or someone else—and let me know how it worked for you! Write to me on the Tarot Podcast Discord server or dm me on Patreon if you’re a Patreon member. Or, you can reach me through the contact form at thetarotpodcast.com. . Become a Tarot Podcast member! patreon.com/thetarotpodcast Shop for Tarot Podcast MERCH! & cool stuff made by your host! etsy.com/shop/tarotista Sign up for readings and explore books and classes! thetarotpodcast.com Continue your tarot journey with The Living Tarot book and/or The Living Tarot online class (discount for class available if you purchase the book!)

    14 min

  4. APR 15

    Episode 45: Why are People Afraid of Tarot? with Barbara Moore

    Not everyone, believe it or not, falls in love with the cards at first sight! In fact, many of us experience a light shudder, even a hint of fear! upon our first encounter with tarot. What’s up with that? What’s the reasoning behind tarot-phobia? My wise and witty editor, Barbara Moore, shares her thoughts on the subject in this week’s episode. Barbara Moore (Saint Paul, MN) has been in love with tarot for over thirty-five years. She has shuffled her cards and taught tarot all over the world. Now she embraces her Hermit self by writing books and creating decks. Her Steampunk Tarot, Good Fortune Tarot, and Trick or Treat Tarot are among her favorites. Links for this episode: Barbara’s website: https://barbaramooretarot.weebly.com/ Barbara’s author page at Llewellyn: https://www.llewellyn.com/author.php?author_id=3396 …and just a few of Barbara’s many works: The Good Fortune Tarot (2024): https://www.llewellyn.com/product.php?ean=9780738772639 The Steampunk Tarot (2012): https://www.llewellyn.com/product.php?ean=9780738726380 Tarot for Beginners (2010) https://www.llewellyn.com/product.php?ean=9780738719559  _____________________________    Become a Tarot Podcast member! patreon.com/thetarotpodcast Shop for Tarot Podcast MERCH! & cool stuff made by your host! etsy.com/shop/tarotista Sign up for readings and explore books and classes! thetarotpodcast.com Continue your tarot journey with The Living Tarot book and/or The Living Tarot online class (discount for class available if you purchase the book!)

    20 min

  5. APR 8

    Episode 44: Five Questions with Kat Black + the Golden Tarot

    Multimedia artist Kat Black joins me to share the backstory of a tarot community favorite, the Golden Tarot (first published in 2003). Long before today’s indie deck culture existed, fans launched the Golden Tarot into print, making its blend of International Gothic style and readable scenic minors an instant favorite for readers and collectors alike. As always, there’s a patron reading! using the deck, at the end of the episode. We also have a few more readings, offered as Patreon bonus content for the week.  If you’d like to submit a question for a reading on the Tarot Podcast, sign up as a paid member! (https://patreon.com/thetarotpodcast). You’ll find out when readings are happening on Patreon or Discord and be able to share your question then! Kat Black has been an artist and performer for over twenty years using a wide variety of media. She exhibited as a painter before moving into digital art forms. Her main art forms are currently video projection, interactive installation and digital collage. Her first commercial tarot deck, Golden Tarot, was released in 2004 using early graphics software to collage together elements of European artwork from the International Gothic era. Kat was born and currently resides in Australia, although she has also lived in the US and the UK. In collaboration with her partner Jasper Cook, she creates video projection and public art as VJzoo.   Links for this episode: The Golden Tarot website: https://www.goldentarot.com Purchase the Golden Tarot from U.S. Games https://www.usgamesinc.com/golden_tarot.html Purchase the Touchstone Tarot from U.S. Games https://www.usgamesinc.com/touchstone-tarot.html Kat’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@KatBlackTarot Simone Martini’s Christ Discovered in the Temple, appearing in the Golden Tarot’s 4 of Cups: https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/artifact/christ-discovered-temple Kat’s professional website: https://vjzoo.com YouTube version of the episode (where you can see images of the cards): https://youtu.be/Na5yQh58sWo _________________ Become a Tarot Podcast member! patreon.com/thetarotpodcast Shop for Tarot Podcast MERCH! & cool stuff made by your host! etsy.com/shop/tarotista Sign up for readings and explore books and classes! thetarotpodcast.com Continue your tarot journey with The Living Tarot book and/or The Living Tarot online class (discount for class available if you purchase the book!)

    32 min

  6. APR 1

    Episode 43: The 9 of Wands in Real Life

    Tarot IRL is back! in a slightly more streamlined format. (You can still read the full text of examples in the video version in YouTube, if you wish.) In this episode, we examine how the gritty, resolute 9 of Wands shows up in the lives of ordinary folks. If it could speak, this card would say, What doesn’t kill me makes me stronger! Our wounded warrior, the Lord of Strength, has seen his share. Your stories showcase his resilience...and his scars. When you draw the 9 of Wands, look out for the following themes: Burnout Recovery from illness Long drives Resilience/fixing things Trees/Forests Heat Miscellaneous synchronistic phenomena! For decan basics and examples, see episode 39 (Decan Basics) and 40 (Decan Deep Dive) with Mary Greer. _______________________________________ ✨ Take the Tarot IRL poll! Vote on which IRL cards – Wands courts or numeric Cups – should come after the 10 of Wands!:  ✨To share your stories about the 10 of Wands for the next Tarot in Real Life segment - please join as a Patreon supporter of the Tarot Podcast! You can also write in to the show at thetarotpodcast.com/about, using the contact form at the bottom of the page. More resources: 36 Secrets: A Decanic Journey through the Minor Arcana of the Tarot (Amazon link if you must!) Shop for cool stuff made by your host!  Dreaming the Decans webinar (yours free with Soothsayer-level membership!) Become a Tarot Podcast member! Sign up for readings and explore books and classes! https://tsusanchang.com Continue your tarot journey with The Living Tarot book and/or The Living Tarot online class (discount for class available if you purchase the book!) 😊 And...don't forget to like, rate, subscribe, and share!! 😊

    18 min

  7. MAR 25

    Episode 42: Is It Intuition or Projection? with Mat Auryn

    This week my psychic friend, the author Mat Auryn, returns to the show to talk about a perennially interesting topic for tarot readers, which is: the difference between intuition and projection. When you’re doing a reading for someone else, how do you know if what you’re interpreting is true, useful information, or just something from your own bag of tricks? You might want to revisit Episode 26, where Mat and I talked about whether you need to be psychic to read tarot. And we also have some fantastic bonus content this week you’ll want to check out—the video from the last part of my conversation with Mat, where we discuss psychic hygiene and how to keep yourself clean and clear when you’re exposing yourself to other people’s psychic energies. That’s at https://patreon.com/thetarotpodcast. One quick note: I apologize for my side of the audio. My software accessed the wrong mic when we were recording  and I’ve tried to clean it up some. But it’s not quite the same quality you’re used to. Mat, however, sounds great!   Mat Auryn is an influential author and teacher in occultism and witchcraft. His books Psychic Witch, Mastering Magick, and The Psychic Art of Tarot offer practical insights into psychic and magickal practices. He also co-authored Pisces Witch with Ivo Dominguez, Jr. Mat’s work draws from various spiritual and magickal traditions he’s studied and trained in, aiming to synthesize them in accessible and practical ways. Beyond writing, Mat worked for many years as a professional psychic and tarot reader in Salem, Massachusetts, as well as his own private practice. He is on the faculty at the Omega Institute in Rhinebeck, NY, and co-hosts THE CIRCLE IS podCAST with actress Rachel True. Residing in California’s Bay Area, he co-owns Datura Trading Co. and Modern Witch University. You can find out more information about Mat on his website at www.Auryn.com   Check out Episode 26: Do I Need to be Psychic to Read Tarot? Read Mat’s best-selling Psychic Witch Check out The Psychic Art of Tarot THE CIRCLE IS podCAST with Mat Auryn & Rachel True ______________________________ Become a Tarot Podcast member! patreon.com/thetarotpodcast Shop for Tarot Podcast MERCH! & cool stuff made by your host! etsy.com/shop/tarotista Sign up for readings and explore books and classes! thetarotpodcast.com Continue your tarot journey with The Living Tarot book and/or The Living Tarot online class (discount for class available if you purchase the book!)

    25 min

  8. MAR 18

    Episode 41: How to do a Decan Walk

    The grand finale! of our series on decans + tarot, just in time for Spring Equinox on March 20th. Here are my answers to ALL your burning questions: What is a decan walk? Why do we do them? And – most important of all: How do I start my own? Includes loads of examples from current practitioners of the modern decan walk – including your host! Let me know how you’re walking this year! (Write me via the contact form at thetarotpodcast.com).   Must-have Decan Resources! 2026-27 decan ingress chart Pick up the Tarot Podcast official Decan Notebook! Join the Tarot Podcast as a Soothsayer-level patron for my “Dreaming the Decans” webinar and a free decan notebook on your 1-month anniversary! Patreon bonus post on decanic dignity for paid Patreon members 36 Secrets: A Decanic Journey through the Minor Arcana of the Tarot (Amazon link if you must!) Tarot Correspondences: Ancient Secrets for Everyday Readers  Dreaming the Decans book (also in paperback) Dreaming the Decans webinar (yours free with Soothsayer-level membership!) End credits music: “Time Trades,” by Jeffrey Lewis

    19 min
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The Tarot Podcast, hosted by author and teacher T. Susan Chang, is a tarot podcast for everybody - those who love tarot, and those who are just tarot-curious. Here we ask tarot scholars and experts the big questions everyone has about the cards; we explore card meanings as they actually show up for modern-day readers, and we talk to the creators of some of today’s most popular decks. The Tarot Podcast currently releases once every two weeks. By supporting the podcast on Patreon, you can help the show expand and support its mission to connect the global tarot community!

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