Bold By Choice Podcast

National Charter Schools Institute

The Bold By Choice Podcast tells the untold stories of the charter school movement—its origins, innovations, and ongoing evolution. Hosted by Vashaunta Harris and Jim Goenner of the National Charter Schools Institute, each episode brings together bold thinkers, doers, and trailblazers who are shaping the future of public education. Whether you’re an authorizer, board member, school leader, teacher, or education advocate, Bold by Choice offers deep conversations, practical insights, and real-life stories from the frontlines of chartering. From navigating policy and governance to centering students and communities, this podcast is your go-to space for truth-telling, inspiration, and unapologetically bold ideas. Because chartering isn’t just a process—it’s a promise.

  1. 2d ago

    E69: More Than a Help Desk: The Human Side of Epicenter

    What does real support look like when there is a person, a public responsibility, and ultimately a child on the other side of the work? In this episode of the Bold by Choice Podcast, Vashaunta Harris sits down with Laura Rizzo to explore the human side of Epicenter support—and a career journey built around advocacy, compliance, relationships, and helping people succeed. Laura’s story begins long before Epicenter. As a young teacher’s aide and later a daycare licenser, she discovered that compliance was never just about policies or paperwork. It was about making sure children were safe, valued, and protected—even when they were too young to advocate for themselves. That belief stayed with her as her career moved into charter school authorizing in Ohio. Then, just days into a new role, the supervisor who was preparing to train her went on maternity leave. Laura suddenly found herself in a new field, learning Epicenter, preparing for a major sponsor performance evaluation, and trying to figure out how to manage the work without the experience she expected to have beside her. That is when the Epicenter support team became more than technical support. In this episode: Why Laura sees compliance as a form of advocacy How her early work in child care shaped the way she thinks about responsibility What she learned from working directly with schools and authorizers What happened when she suddenly had to learn Epicenter and manage a major evaluation process How Epicenter support helped her move from overwhelmed to confident Why good support goes beyond showing someone where to click How thoughtful processes, calendars, workflows, and communication can make compliance easier for schools Why trust and patience matter when supporting someone who is learning How Laura went from calling the Epicenter support team to eventually joining it What it means to support partners with both experience and empathy One of the strongest ideas in the conversation is Laura’s distinction between customer service and true support. As she explains, customer service may solve the immediate problem. But real support builds relationships, gives people confidence, and helps them succeed long after the call ends. Laura’s story eventually comes full circle. The same people who once helped her learn the system became her colleagues. Today, when partners call feeling overwhelmed, Laura remembers exactly what it felt like to be on the other end of that conversation. That experience shapes the way she listens, teaches, encourages, and supports the people she works with now. And her goal remains the same: Help the adults get the work right so they can spend more time focused on the students who depend on them. At the heart of the episode is a simple reminder: support is not separate from the mission. It is one of the ways the mission gets carried. Behind the platform, the requirements, and every deadline is a person trying to do the work well—and students and families who ultimately benefit when they succeed. The Bold by Choice Podcast, powered by the National Charter Schools Institute, shares the people, ideas, and stories helping leaders advance excellence and expand what is possible for students. Hosted by Vashaunta Harris and Jim Goenner, Ph.D. Subscribe, share this episode, and remember: the best systems still depend on people who know how to listen, teach, and help others succeed. What does real support look like when there is a person, a public responsibility, and ultimately a child on the other side of the work? In this episode of the Bold by Choice Podcast, Vashaunta Harris sits down with Laura Rizzo to explore the human side of Epicenter support—and a career journey built around advocacy, compliance, relationships, and helping people succeed. Laura’s story begins long before Epicenter. As a young teacher’s aide and later a daycare licenser, she discovered that compliance was never just about policies or paperwork. It was about making sure children were safe, valued, and protected—even when they were too young to advocate for themselves. That belief stayed with her as her career moved into charter school authorizing in Ohio. Then, just days into a new role, the supervisor who was preparing to train her went on maternity leave. Laura suddenly found herself in a new field, learning Epicenter, preparing for a major sponsor performance evaluation, and trying to figure out how to manage the work without the experience she expected to have beside her. That is when the Epicenter support team became more than technical support. In this episode: Why Laura sees compliance as a form of advocacy How her early work in child care shaped the way she thinks about responsibility What she learned from working directly with schools and authorizers What happened when she suddenly had to learn Epicenter and manage a major evaluation process How Epicenter support helped her move from overwhelmed to confident Why good support goes beyond showing someone where to click How thoughtful processes, calendars, workflows, and communication can make compliance easier for schools Why trust and patience matter when supporting someone who is learning How Laura went from calling the Epicenter support team to eventually joining it What it means to support partners with both experience and empathy One of the strongest ideas in the conversation is Laura’s distinction between customer service and true support. As she explains, customer service may solve the immediate problem. But real support builds relationships, gives people confidence, and helps them succeed long after the call ends. Laura’s story eventually comes full circle. The same people who once helped her learn the system became her colleagues. Today, when partners call feeling overwhelmed, Laura remembers exactly what it felt like to be on the other end of that conversation. That experience shapes the way she listens, teaches, encourages, and supports the people she works with now. And her goal remains the same: Help the adults get the work right so they can spend more time focused on the students who depend on them. At the heart of the episode is a simple reminder: support is not separate from the mission. It is one of the ways the mission gets carried. Behind the platform, the requirements, and every deadline is a person trying to do the work well—and students and families who ultimately benefit when they succeed. The Bold by Choice Podcast, powered by the National Charter Schools Institute, shares the people, ideas, and stories helping leaders advance excellence and expand what is possible for students. Hosted by Vashaunta Harris and Jim Goenner, Ph.D. Subscribe, share this episode, and remember: the best systems still depend on people who know how to listen, teach, and help others succeed.

  2. Oct 14

    E68: Epicenter: How a Paper Problem Became a National Platform

    Before Epicenter had dashboards, scorecards, automated workflows, or AI, there was paper. A lot of paper. In this episode of the Bold by Choice Podcast, Vashaunta Harris sits down with Stephanie McKean and Meghann Russell to trace the origin story of Epicenter—from filing cabinets, fax machines, and manually indexed documents to a platform supporting organizations across the country. The story begins nearly 25 years ago at Central Michigan University, where Meghann took a student job scanning and organizing charter school documents. At the time, she had no idea that work would become the beginning of a decades-long journey—or that those early efforts to make information more accessible would eventually help shape what Epicenter is today. Stephanie joins the story a few years later, when Corporate Computer was working with CMU to develop the Authorizer Oversight Information System, or AOIS. In those early days, schools were still faxing large stacks of compliance documents, staff were manually reviewing and indexing files, and critical institutional knowledge could easily disappear when people changed roles. The turning point came when CMU recognized that the work needed a better system—one capable of organizing recurring compliance requirements, receiving documents electronically, showing school status, and helping authorizers identify issues more efficiently. What began as a solution to a very specific operational problem became the foundation for something much larger. In this episode: What authorizing looked like before modern digital systems How filing cabinets, fax machines, and manual indexing shaped the earliest version of Epicenter Why CMU and Corporate Computer began building AOIS How the system evolved from document management into a broader authorizing platform Why user challenges and feedback drove each new stage of development How Epicenter grew from AOIS to Accountability Insight and eventually to Epicenter Why preserving institutional knowledge became an important part of the platform How Epicenter expanded to support applications, site visits, performance reporting, renewals, corrective action, and more Why the team describes Epicenter as “high tech, high touch” How AI is becoming part of the next chapter Why the core goal has remained the same: reduce administrative burden so people can spend more time on meaningful work One of the most important themes in the conversation is that Epicenter did not begin as software looking for a market. It began with people close enough to the work to see a real problem and keep solving the next one. As Epicenter grew, so did the problems it was designed to solve. What began as a way to organize documents became a way to manage more of the charter school lifecycle—from applications and oversight to performance, renewal, and ongoing support. Even as the technology continues to evolve, Stephanie says the fundamental question remains the same: How can we make people’s work easier and more efficient so they can focus on the work that matters most? And through all of that growth, the human side has remained central. As Stephanie explains, Epicenter is “high tech, high touch.” The technology helps organizations centralize information, automate recurring work, and create visibility. The people behind it bring experience, relationships, and support that help partners solve problems and strengthen their work. Looking ahead, the conversation turns toward what Epicenter may make possible over the next 25 years—from putting more compliance work on autopilot to preserving institutional knowledge and giving leaders more time to focus on students, schools, and communities. The Bold by Choice Podcast, powered by the National Charter Schools Institute, shares the people, ideas, and stories helping leaders advance excellence and expand what is possible for students. Subscribe, share this episode, and discover how one paper problem became a platform built to keep solving what comes next.

  3. Oct 7

    E67: Ted Kolderie, the System Architect.

    In honor of Ted Kolderie’s birthday, we’re returning to one of our favorite conversations from the Bold by Choice archive. Originally released as Season 2, Episode 2, this special replay explores the life, ideas, and lasting influence of one of chartering’s most important systems thinkers. Ted Kolderie challenged leaders to look beyond individual schools and rethink the structure of public education itself. His work helped frame chartering not simply as a type of school, but as a strategy for creating a more adaptive, innovative, and self-improving public education system. As Ted famously argued, meaningful change requires more than improving what already exists. It requires leaders willing to challenge the givens, redesign systems, and create space for people closest to students to try something different. In this conversation, Vashaunta Harris and Jim Goenner, Ph.D. are joined by Ember Reichgott Junge and Don Cooper, with archival clips featuring Ted in his own words. Together, they revisit the ideas that helped shape the chartering movement and ask what those ideas mean for leaders today. In this episode: Why Ted saw chartering as a verb, not a type of school How chartering was designed as a strategy for broader systems change Why “challenging the givens” remains essential to innovation The difference between improving an existing structure and redesigning it Why teacher leadership and professional autonomy mattered deeply to Ted How teacher-powered schools challenged the traditional “boss-worker” model What the “big boat/little boat” analogy teaches us about innovation Why Ted believed innovation means creating room for people to try How leaders can balance autonomy, accountability, and responsible risk Why a self-improving education system must be able to learn, adapt, and change One of Ted’s strongest challenges remains strikingly relevant: “I think there’s no future in a permission-based system.” Ted believed innovation requires giving people room to act, experiment, learn, and improve—while managing risk thoughtfully rather than eliminating experimentation altogether. His legacy also reminds us that the charter idea was never meant to be simply about creating more schools. It was about creating the conditions for new possibilities—empowering educators, expanding options for families, and helping the larger public education system learn and improve. As we celebrate Ted Kolderie, we invite you to consider one of the questions at the heart of his work: What are we accepting today that we should be willing to challenge and redesign? The Bold by Choice Podcast, powered by the National Charter Schools Institute, explores the people, ideas, and choices that continue to shape the future of public education. Explore Ted Kolderie’s original writings, interviews, and oral histories through the National Charter Schools Founders Library, and join us in carrying his ideas forward. Subscribe, share this special replay, and keep challenging the givens.

  4. Sep 30

    E66: Designing Forward

    What do today’s students need from us if we are serious about preparing them for tomorrow? In this episode of the Bold by Choice Podcast, Jim Goenner, Ph.D. turns the tables and interviews co-host Vashaunta Harris about her CharterFolk article, “Designing Forward: What Today’s Students Will Need Tomorrow,” which received a Brian’s Voice Award. The conversation begins with a leadership practice that shapes much of Vashaunta’s work: listening. She explains how conversations with school leaders, board members, authorizers, families, and students can reveal patterns and signals that traditional data alone may miss—and why strong leaders have to pay attention to both. From there, Jim and Vashaunta explore a central challenge facing education today: This is not a moment for louder arguments. It is a moment for design. While adults debate policy, technology, school choice, funding, and the future of the charter movement, students are walking into classrooms every day. As Vashaunta reminds us, “that third grader is only a third grader this year, and this year matters.” In this episode: Why listening is one of the most important leadership tools How stories and conversations become meaningful data Why education leaders must move beyond debate and start asking, “What are we actually building?” How charter schools can stay focused on the promises made to students and families The difference between storytelling for branding and storytelling for leadership Why the best leadership stories include tension, failure, learning, and change What highly effective schools have in common beyond programs and playbooks Why schools must prepare students not only to graduate, but to live, work, adapt, contribute, and lead How educators can help students discover their gifts, talents, and future possibilities Why movements need honest voices willing to ask hard questions and keep pushing forward Vashaunta also reflects on the meaning of receiving the Brian’s Voice Award, and why voice matters so deeply in a movement built on people sharing what they are seeing, learning, questioning, and trying to build next. At its heart, this episode is an invitation to stop designing schools solely around what has worked before and start paying closer attention to where students, families, technology, and the world are headed. As Vashaunta puts it, schools must broaden the definition of readiness. Success cannot stop at credits and graduation. Students also need the ability to know themselves, discover their gifts, solve problems, work with others, adapt, and make meaningful choices about what comes next. The Bold by Choice Podcast, powered by the National Charter Schools Institute, brings together leaders, stories, and ideas that challenge us to expand possibility and build what students need next. Hosted by Vashaunta Harris and Jim Goenner, Ph.D. Subscribe, share this episode with another leader, and keep listening, learning, and designing forward.

  5. Sep 23

    E65: Bold Leaders Choose People

    Great leadership starts with people. In this episode of the Bold by Choice Podcast, Vashaunta Harris and Jim Goenner, Ph.D., President & CEO of the National Charter Schools Institute, explore what it means for leaders to intentionally create the conditions where students, staff, families, and communities can thrive. At the start of a new school year, it is easy to get consumed by schedules, meetings, deadlines, and plans. But bold leaders understand that the people doing the work matter just as much as the work itself. They pay attention to who is on the team, who needs support, whose gifts are being overlooked, and how each person can contribute to something bigger than themselves. Throughout the conversation, Jim and Vashaunta also unpack the leadership choices that shape a strong year: purpose, clarity, culture, learning, responsibility, and steadfastness. In this episode: Why bold leaders choose people, not just plans How to recognize and develop the unique gifts people bring to a team Why clarity creates freedom, ownership, and responsibility How culture is built through what leaders model, celebrate, correct, and allow Why belonging and high expectations must exist together How leaders can use feedback to learn, adjust, and improve Why responsibility is about keeping promises, not assigning blame How honest conversations can be both caring and clear Why steadfast leaders stay courageous and resilient when pressure rises Vashaunta challenges leaders to ask whether their people feel seen, supported, trusted, and connected to the mission. Jim reminds us that leaders have a choice in how they see the people around them: Do we see students and staff as problems to be controlled—or as gifts to be unleashed? Bold leaders cultivate people. They build teams. They recognize excellence, tell the truth, create clarity, and keep students at the center of every decision. As you move into the year, ask yourself: Who needs to be better supported, better aligned, more seen, or more fully invited to use their gifts? The Bold by Choice Podcast, powered by the National Charter Schools Institute, brings together ideas, experiences, and leaders committed to advancing excellence and expanding what is possible for students. Subscribe, share this episode with another leader, and keep choosing to be Bold by Choice.

  6. Sep 16

    E64: Seven Start of Year Reminders for Bold Leaders

    The beginning of a new school year is more than a fresh calendar. It is a leadership moment. In this episode of the Bold by Choice Podcast, hosts Vashaunta Harris and Jim Goenner, Ph.D. unpack seven start-of-year reminders for leaders who want to begin with intention and create the conditions for students, families, teams, and communities to thrive. Being bold does not mean being louder, busier, or more performative. It means making disciplined choices about what matters most—and then leading with the clarity, courage, and steadiness to follow through. Jim and Vashaunta explore seven choices that can shape the entire year: Purpose. People. Clarity. Culture. Learning. Responsibility. Steadfastness. Together, they examine how leaders can reconnect their teams to the promise behind the work, cultivate and retain great people, create clarity around roles and expectations, intentionally build culture, use early feedback to learn and improve, strengthen ownership, and remain steady when the pressures of the year begin to rise. In this episode: Why bold leaders reconnect people to purpose before tasks How attracting, developing, and retaining the right people expands possibility Why clarity around roles, goals, and expectations creates ownership How leaders build culture on purpose, rather than letting it happen by accident Why early data, feedback, and evidence should drive learning and improvement How care, responsibility, and high expectations work together Why leaders must remain steadfast when the year becomes challenging Practical questions for school leaders, boards, authorizers, nonprofit leaders, and ecosystem partners The challenge is not simply to launch the school year. It is to intentionally create the conditions that will shape what students, families, staff, and communities experience all year long. Before the end of September, take these seven reminders to your leadership team, board, authorizing team, or staff and ask: Which of these disciplines does our team need most right now—and what would it look like to lead from it for the next 30 days? Bold leadership is not about having every answer. It is about making the choices that keep the promise visible and the work moving forward. The Bold by Choice Podcast is hosted by the National Charter Schools Institute and explores the people, ideas, and choices shaping what is possible in education. Subscribe and join us as we continue advancing excellence, expanding possibility, and choosing to stay bold.

  7. Sep 9

    E63: A Movement, Not a Sector

    Chartering was never meant to become another system protecting its place. It was built as a movement—one driven by courage, possibility, innovation, and an unwavering commitment to students. Recorded live at the Public Charter School Alliances Podcast Festival, this episode of Bold by Choice brings hosts Vashaunta Harris and Dr. Jim Goenner together with Patricia Brantley, CEO of Friendship Public Charter School and founding chair of the D.C. Charter School Alliance, for a candid conversation about what it takes to preserve—and keep advancing—the charter movement. Patricia reflects on more than three decades with Friendship, beginning with the organization’s earliest days and the moment she realized this work had become more than a job—it was a calling. She shares the experience of watching families leave an early school lottery without a seat for their children and how that moment strengthened Friendship’s determination to create more high-quality opportunities. Today, Friendship serves thousands of students across Washington, D.C., with alumni returning as parents, teachers, and leaders. The conversation also gets candid about the fights that come with the work. Patricia recounts battles over facilities, funding, compliance, expansion, and decisions that did not always put students first. Her message is clear: great results alone will not protect a school or a movement. Leaders have to tell their story, build community, advocate together, and be willing to challenge rules and assumptions that no longer serve students. That leads to a larger question for the charter community: Have we become too comfortable? Jim and Patricia explore the danger of charter schools becoming the very status quo they were created to challenge. Courage means more than opening a school. Sometimes it means admitting when a model is not working, restructuring, changing course, demanding equitable treatment, or refusing to accept “that’s just how the system works.” At its heart, this episode is an invitation to recover the original spirit of chartering. Kids do not need another sector defending itself. They need educators, leaders, boards, authorizers, advocates, and families willing to keep building what comes next. Show Notes In This Episode When education work becomes a calling Friendship Public Charter School’s 30+ year journey Why families and students must remain the North Star The courage required to open—and sustain—a charter school Why strong academic outcomes are not enough to protect the movement Fair funding, facilities, and regulatory burdens Building advocacy before a crisis arrives Why charter leaders need community and a “posse” Competition, choice, and staying responsive to families The danger of charters becoming the new status quo Challenging rules instead of simply accepting them Knowing when to restructure, merge, change, or let go Why storytelling matters Building schools where students and adults feel they get to be there Courage as acting even when you are afraid Movement Question At your next board or leadership meeting, ask: Are we protecting an institution—or advancing a promise for students? Then go one step further: Where are we behaving like caretakers of what already exists, and where are we acting like builders of what students need next? Key Takeaway Courage is not protecting charter schools simply because they are charter schools. It is staying committed to the purpose that created the movement in the first place: delivering better possibilities for kids. A sector protects its place. A movement protects its purpose. Powered by the National Charter Schools Institute.

  8. Sep 2

    E62: What Are We Preparing Students to Build?

    Labor Day is more than a long weekend. It is a reminder that work is deeply connected to dignity, contribution, opportunity, family stability, and civic life. In this special Labor Day episode of Bold by Choice, Vashaunta Harris, Dr. Jim Goenner, Don Cooper, and Heather Wendling use the holiday as a doorway into a bigger question for education leaders: Are we preparing students merely to graduate, or are we preparing them to contribute, work, lead, create, adapt, and thrive in the world they are actually entering? Don Cooper opens the conversation by connecting Labor Day, public education, and the broader American story. He reflects on the Progressive Era, industrialization, the labor movement, and the democratic purpose of public education—preparing people not only for work, but also for citizenship, community participation, and a fuller share in the American dream. From there, Jim connects the conversation to chartering as a movement. Chartering was never meant simply to preserve institutions. It was designed to create the possibility for new and responsive approaches to education. As the nature of work changes, schools must remain focused on the North Star: preparing students for college, work, and life, while giving them the knowledge, skills, and agency to choose their own path. Heather brings the discussion into the Future Ready work, explaining why readiness is about much more than career pathways, credentials, or CTE programs. Future Ready learning includes meaningful exposure to careers and industries, real-world application, strong partnerships, student agency, and durable skills such as communication, collaboration, critical thinking, and time management. The challenge is not simply to create another program—it is to design the student experience around the world young people will actually enter. The episode closes with practical moves leaders can make right now: examine student schedules, ask students what feels relevant to their futures, strengthen community and employer partnerships, look for evidence of durable skills, confront emerging questions about AI, and pay attention to whether students and educators feel like they get to come to school—or simply have to. Show Notes In This Episode The deeper meaning of Labor Day for education leaders Work, dignity, democracy, and public education Why schools prepare citizens as well as future workers Chartering as a movement for responsiveness and innovation Preparing students for college, work, and life What “Future Ready” actually means Durable skills such as communication, collaboration, and critical thinking Career-connected and real-world learning The role of employers and community partners Student agency and meaningful career exposure Preparing students to use AI responsibly What boards should monitor beyond traditional academic measures Why culture can either accelerate or undermine strategy Leadership Question Bring this question to your next board, leadership team, staff, or student conversation: What are we doing this year to prepare students not only to graduate, but to contribute, work, lead, create, and thrive in the world they are actually entering? Then ask: What evidence would convince us that students are becoming future ready—not only course-ready, test-ready, or compliance-ready? Key Takeaway The future will not wait for schools to catch up. If work, technology, and communities are changing, education leaders have a responsibility to keep learning, adapting, and designing experiences that help every student discover their gifts and build a meaningful future. Powered by the National Charter Schools Institute.

    E62: What Are We Preparing Students to Build?

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The Bold By Choice Podcast tells the untold stories of the charter school movement—its origins, innovations, and ongoing evolution. Hosted by Vashaunta Harris and Jim Goenner of the National Charter Schools Institute, each episode brings together bold thinkers, doers, and trailblazers who are shaping the future of public education. Whether you’re an authorizer, board member, school leader, teacher, or education advocate, Bold by Choice offers deep conversations, practical insights, and real-life stories from the frontlines of chartering. From navigating policy and governance to centering students and communities, this podcast is your go-to space for truth-telling, inspiration, and unapologetically bold ideas. Because chartering isn’t just a process—it’s a promise.

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