Ethics on Call

Center for Theology and Ethics in Catholic Health

Ethics on Call is the official podcast of the Center for Theology and Ethics in Catholic Health. Join the Center’s leaders, Dan Daly and Tom Bushlack, for a monthly review of recent scholarship, deep dives into key topics, and news in theology and ethics pertinent to Catholic health care.

  1. May 27

    AI and Medicine: The Challenge of Human Dignity

    This episode features the opening keynote address from Monsignor Renzo Pegoraro, President of the Pontifical Academy for Life, at the conference hosted by the Center on "AI and Medicine: Artificial Intelligence, Authentic Mercy: Navigating AI Ethics in Catholic Health," recorded live at Boston College on March 20, 2026.    Monsignor Pegoraro's talk is titled "AI and Medicine: The Challenge of Human Dignity," and he outlines the history of the Vatican's engagement with the ethics of AI, and the main principles that have emerged from that work to guide its use in health care.   His keynote is followed by two respondents who address the topic of "Catholic and Secular AI Ethics in Dialogue."  Vardit Ravitsky, Ph.D., President & CEO of the Hastings Center Phoebe L. Yang, J.D., Independent Board Member (GE Healthcare, CommonSpirit Health, Doximity); Stanford University Lecturer in Law; Former GM, AWS Healthcare Dan and Tom conclude with very brief reflections and takeaways from these conversations for those engaged in the work of AI in health care.   We at the Center for Theology & Ethics in Catholic Health extend our gratitude to Boston College Institute for Liberal Arts for co-hosting the conference.   Links to the Rome Call can be found here: https://www.romecall.org/ Subscribe to Ethics on Call on YouTube, Spotify, Apple or Simplecast. Visit our website, theologyandethics.org, for more information on the Center for Theology & Ethics in Catholic Health.

    1h 38m
  2. Mar 17

    Healthcare Transcends Borders: Treating Immigrant Patients with Dignity

    In this episode, Dan and Tom interview Dr. Mark Kuczewski about his recent work advocating for immigrant patients during the ongoing federal immigration enforcement surge. They discuss the following: Why the Church has always affirmed the universal human dignity and rights of immigrants and migrants (regardless of legal status) Ways for health professionals to advocate for immigrant patients The need to revise hospitals' forensic patient policies, and Why and how bioethicists are called to speak prophetically when immigrant patients are suffering. Dr. Kuczewski is the Fr. Michael English Professor of Medical Ethics and Director of the Neiswanger Institute for Bioethics and Health Policy at Loyola University Chicago, a past president of the American Society for Bioethics and Humanities (ASBH), and a Fellow of the Hastings Center.  Below are links to the resources and publications referenced in this episode: Sanctuary Doctoring Toolkit - https://www.luc.edu/stritch/bioethics/medicaleducation/sanctuarydoctor/ Kuczewski M, Blair A, Nguyen T, Garcia-Izaguirre ML, Dober GJ, “When ICE Brings You the Patient . . . Hospitals Must Stop Victimizing Forensic Patients,” American Journal of Bioethics, Vol. 26, no. 3 (March 12, 2026): 4-6. https://doi.org/10.1080/15265161.2026.2623853 Maalouf M, Blair A, Kuczewski M, “Treating Fear: Steps to Help Your Immigrant Patients,” Health Progress, Vol. 106, no. 4 (2025): 9-14, 2025. https://www.chausa.org/news-and-publications/publications/health-progress/archives/fall-2025/treating-fear--steps-to-help-your-immigrant-patients Catholic Health Association, USCCB, & Catholic Charities, Human Dignity is Not Dependent on a Person's Citizenship or Immigration Status (January 23, 2025): https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/human-dignity-not-dependent-persons-citizenship-or-immigration-status?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term= President Ronald Wilson Reagan, “Farewell Address to the Nation,” January 11, 1989. https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/farewell-address-nation Zeke Hernandez, The Truth About Immigration: Why Successful Societies Welcome Newcomers (St. Martin’s Publishing Group, 2024). https://zekehernandez.net/book/ Subscribe to Ethics on Call on YouTube, Spotify, Apple or Simplecast. Visit our website, theologyandethics.org, for more information on the Center for Theology & Ethics in Catholic Health.

    56 min
  3. Feb 17

    From Promulgation to Practice: Leaders Reflect on the 7th Edition of the ERDs

    Dan and Tom interview four leaders in Catholic health on the newly promulgated 7th edition of ERDs.  They discuss the history of the ERDs, how they are being implemented by ethicists, mission leaders, and health care professionals, and highlight the significance of several developments in the 7th edition. They also identify how these directives enable Catholic health care to promote the dignity and flourishing of vulnerable patients, such as women and mothers, persons experiencing gender dysphoria, and patients at the end of life. Our guests on this episode include: Fr Charlie Bouchard, OP, STD (Catholic University of America) Senior Fellow and adjunct Professor in Ethics at Aquinas Institute of Theology, St Louis, MO Former VP for Theological Education, Ascension Health and Senior Director, Ethics and Sponsorship, CHA   Amy Hertweck-Warner, DO, MA, HEC-C Director, Ethics Mercy St. Louis   Jenna Speckart, D.Be, MA (Theology) Vice President Mission & Ethics Operations, Mercy   Dr. Anitha Rayani, MD, Palliative Care SSM Health-St. Joseph’s Hospital, St. Charles, MO   Below is a link to the article we referred to in this episode: Ron Hamel, “100th Anniversary - The Ethical and Religious Directives: Looking Back to Move Forward,” Health Progress (2019)   Subscribe to Ethics on Call on YouTube, Spotify, Apple or Simplecast. Visit our website, theologyandethics.org, for more information on the Center for Theology & Ethics in Catholic Health.

    1h 30m
  4. Jan 20

    Analysis and Commentary on the Newly Promulgated 7th Edition of the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services

    In November 2025, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops voted to approve a new 7th Edition of the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services.  In this episode, Dan and Tom talk with Nathaniel Blanton Hibner, Ph.D., Senior Director of Ethics at the Catholic Health Association, who discusses the process by which this edition was developed over the past four years.   Following the interview, Dan and Tom provide their analysis of the new text, first exploring what they see as the four "under the radar" developments. They then turn to the four significant developments of the 7th edition, with special attention to the new directives on care for patients experiencing gender dysphoria.   Links to the documents and articles noted in the podcast can be found below: The Ethical and Religious Directors for Catholic Health Care Services Edmund D. Pellegrino, "The Commodification of Medical and Health Care: The Moral Consequences of a Paradigm Shift from a Professional to a Market Ethic," in Pellegrino's Clinical Bioethics: A Compendium, Edited by G. Kevin Donovan, David G. Miller, and Claudia Ruiz Sotomayor (Catholic University of America Press, 2025): 387 - 408. National Institute on Aging, "What Are Palliative Care and Hospice Care?" (2021) Ron Hamel, "Ethics - Palliative Care - Stealth Euthanasia?", Health Progress (January-February 2014) Subscribe to Ethics on Call on YouTube, Spotify, Apple or Simplecast. Visit our website, theologyandethics.org, for more information on the Center for Theology & Ethics in Catholic Health.

    1h 11m
  5. 12/16/2025

    Organizational Ethics: Building and Sustaining Virtuous Health Care Ministries

    Ethicists, clinicians, and administrators share a sincere commitment to building health care ministries that serve those in need and strengthen the social conditions that support healthy communities. But how can we achieve this without a clear account of what social structures and culture are, how they change, and—most importantly—how they can help us provide the best care, especially to those who are most poor and vulnerable? In this episode Dan and Tom begin by reviewing the ways that critical realist social theory has contributed to a Christian ethical analysis of social structures and culture.  Then they consider two recent articles that apply these insights to clinical and bioethics, and to building healthy hospital cultures. The articles and resources discussed in this episode can be found below: Finn, Daniel K. “Ch. 4: Social Structures,” in Moral Agency Within Social Structures and Culture: A Primer on Critical Realism for Christian Ethics. Edited by Daniel K. Finn. Georgetown University Press. 2020: 29-41. Kolmes, Sara, Ariana Thompson-Lastad, Kevin Dirksen, Kayla Tabari, and Seth M. Holmes. “Incorporating Structural Competency into Clinical Ethics: Piloting New Bioethics Education.” Journal of Clinical Ethics, Vol. 26, No. 2 (2025): 158-166. https://doi.org/10.1086 /734776 Miller, Ireland. “Building an Ethical Hospital Culture: Integrating Ethics into Organizational Frameworks in Healthcare.” Journal of Health Ethics & Administration, Vol. 11, No. 3 (2025): 14-24.  https://doi.org/10.22461/jhea.6.7164   “Case Studies in Social Medicine,” New England Journal of Medicine, Massachusetts Medical Society, https://www.nejm.org/case-studies-in-social-medicine.  Subscribe to Ethics on Call on YouTube, Spotify, Apple or Simplecast. Visit our website, theologyandethics.org, for more information on the Center for Theology & Ethics in Catholic Health.

    1h 1m
  6. 11/25/2025

    Field Report from the American Society for Bioethics in the Humanities 2025 Annual Conference

    This episode includes three interviews recorded live from the floor of the exhibit hall of the ASBH annual conference in October 2025 with the following bioethicists: Michael McCarthy, Associate Professor and the Graduate Program Director for Healthcare Mission Leadership at Loyola University ChicagoLaura Webster, Northwest Region Vice President of Ethics at Common Spirit Health; andJason Eberl, the Mader Chair in Health Care Ethics at St. Louis University. Dan and Tom also discuss their takeaways and learnings from some of the papers and sessions at the conference, summarize the trends they see reflected in the field of bioethics today, and consider their implications for the Catholic health ministry. You can find the article, books, and authors cited in this episode below: Jerome Adams, M.D. Crisis and Chaos: Lessons from the Front Lines of the War Against COVID-19. Post Hill Press. 2023.  Dennis Gonzalez and Becket Gremmels. "Mission — Moving Beyond 'No Margin, No Mission' in Catholic Health Care." Health Progress (Spring 2025). Rosemary Garland-Thomson Harold Braswell Miguel Romero Devan Stahl Gerald McKenny Alasdair MacIntyre. Dependent Rational Animals: Why Humans Need the Virtues. Open Court. 1999. Subscribe to Ethics on Call on YouTube, Spotify, Apple or Simplecast. Visit our website, theologyandethics.org, for more information on the Center for Theology & Ethics in Catholic Health.

    54 min
4.9
out of 5
15 Ratings

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Ethics on Call is the official podcast of the Center for Theology and Ethics in Catholic Health. Join the Center’s leaders, Dan Daly and Tom Bushlack, for a monthly review of recent scholarship, deep dives into key topics, and news in theology and ethics pertinent to Catholic health care.

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