The Two Outsiders In Podcast

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We are Shachar and Liisa, a Jewish Israeli and a Finnish Christian, both living with our (separate) families in Budapest, Hungary. We are close friends who found each other through music, but bonded over the love of Israel. We are here to talk about life, faith, family and future hope as outsiders in Hungary but also in the world. From our personalities to our passions, we’re laying the foundation and bringing you into our world. And we don't always agree about everything. Whether you’re here for stories, insight, or just good vibes, we’re so excited to have you with us. Let’s begin this journey—together.

  1. Mar 23

    Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 18 - The Deed Or The Thought??

    Which is more severe, the deed itself or the thought of it? Is it just the things we do, or is it also the thoughts we carry? Which carries more weight? Today we are talking about this and going very deep into it. Sharing honestly the sinful thoughts that we have. How do we deal with them? Is there a specific way God would want us to deal with them? And if sinful thoughts are a sin, is there a way God deals with that? Join us for yet another interesting episode where we discuss very personal things, and continue on the bigger God-themed conversation.

    48 min

  2. Mar 9

    Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 17 - Should God Interfere?

    Join us on this passionate, at times even heated, conversation about God's interference. Shachar has a huge issue on - what he himself calls - selective grace. Why is God rescuing some people but not all?  This time Liisa is challenging him on that: Should God interfere? How and when exactly? Where should He draw the line? How can He interfere but also give us free will at the same time? Listen and find out if they can find any common ground.

    56 min

  3. Feb 9

    Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 16 - Divinity

    Do divine and perfection equal each other? Is something perfect also divine? Does the existence of imperfection negate the possibility of the existence of God? These philosophical questions are the ones that Liisa and Shachar are diving into today. And it might be our most lively and real conversation ever, with a lot of disagreement. Join in, as this is the episode you definitely don't want to miss!

    49 min

  4. Jan 26

    Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 15 - Fatherhood

    What is a good father? How can a good father love deeply but also set healthy boundaries?  Shachar recently became a father of two as he and his wife welcomed a baby girl into their family. They already have a son, but now Shachar's in front of a new kind of a challenge. Shachar shares what he has learned about being a father so far, and his aspirations of raising his children to become good people. Especially How he's teaching his little boy to become a good man. Liisa is in a different phase as a parent as her children are leaving the nest. How hard is it to let them go? And then comes the most important question of all: Could there be a parallel in all of this on how God sees us, deals with us and love us?

    54 min

  5. Jan 12

    Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 14 - Forgiveness

    Happy New Year, we're back! The theme for the first episode of the year is forgiveness. What is forgiveness, really? Is it a feeling? How to forgive someone who has really hurt you? Shachar and Liisa discuss forgiveness, exploring its meaning and process. Liisa shares a personal story of forgiving those who hurt her, a journey that took almost ten years. Shachar adds a Jewish perspective, highlighting the complexity of forgiving historical atrocities. You don't want to miss this, so tune in!

    55 min

  6. 12/22/2025

    Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 13 - Hanukkah & Christmas

    Holiday Special! Liisa and Shachar sit down for a festive chat about the two big holidays celebrated by Christians and Jews – Christmas and Hanukkah. What are some of the background stories related to these festivals? Why do Jews celebrate Hanukkah? Does Christmas really have pagan roots as they say? How do Liisa and Shachar celebrate these holidays, or do they?  Liisa and Shachar share what they do (or don’t) celebrate and what the holidays mean to them. Join in on another interesting discussion in the holiday spirit. You know, 'Tis the Season!

    42 min

  7. 12/08/2025

    Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 12 - Anxiety & Depression

    We do not claim to be doctors, but we do have thoughts on the modern “plague” of depression and anxiety. As two human beings, both of us have walked that path ourselves, so this time we’re sharing our deeper thoughts about the matter as well as our personal stories of what we ourselves have experienced. Our goal is to find some practical tools for listeners who might -just like us- struggle with depressing thoughts. Obviously Liisa is also going to share some light on what the Scripture is saying about the subject.  Join us for an honest, lively conversation that tackles a dark subject with hope, humor, and real talk.

    48 min

  8. 11/24/2025

    Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 11 - Is Every Sin Redeemable?

    Last time we got into a deep discussion about God's grace, and how inclusive/exclusive it is. We left off with a cliffhanger of Shachar asking Liisa's opinion about sin and if every sin truly could be redeemed. And if so, how and why, and how fair is it? We are no theologians here, in this episode Liisa is simply sharing her view of the matter. And with her new Bible in her hands, basing her answers on the scripture. Join us for another interesting and candid conversation, where - once again - we're keeping it real!

    50 min
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We are Shachar and Liisa, a Jewish Israeli and a Finnish Christian, both living with our (separate) families in Budapest, Hungary. We are close friends who found each other through music, but bonded over the love of Israel. We are here to talk about life, faith, family and future hope as outsiders in Hungary but also in the world. From our personalities to our passions, we’re laying the foundation and bringing you into our world. And we don't always agree about everything. Whether you’re here for stories, insight, or just good vibes, we’re so excited to have you with us. Let’s begin this journey—together.

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  • Creator
    twooutsidersin
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    18
  • Rating
    Clean
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