LUNCH TIME WITH DEMONS

Ashlee B. Caress
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Welcome to Lunch Time With Demons — where the vibes are real, the tea is hot, and the demons might just be more reasonable than you think. Join demonologists and religious scholars A. Bella and Ryan as they dive into the beautifully bizarre world of the occult. With decades of combined experience in spirit work, theology, and ritual practice, they offer a grounded, modern take on demonolatry and the ancient grimoires that continue to shape our understanding of the infernal divine. Each episode serves up digestible dialogue on everything from our own spiritual practice, personal encounters, ghost stories, to cross-cultural religion, mythology, and dismantling toxic dogma; all while honoring the sacred. If you've ever wondered what demons really are, how to approach the infernal with reverence, or why your religious trauma still flinches at the word "Lucifer," this podcast is your permission slip to unlearn, explore, and reclaim. Whether you're a seasoned practitioner, a curious newcomer, or someone just here for the spicy theology and paranormal tea, grab your headphones. New episodes every week. Bring your own offerings.

  1. 3d ago

    Activated - Lunch Time with Demons

    Season Two (Ep 38)  Ready or Not Spoiler(2019) 44:01 - 51:00   This episode of Lunchtime with Demons opens with Bella explaining that the planned AI episode is being pushed back for more research, then moves into what she calls "activation," her preferred term over "triggered." She argues that people get activated by things they don't understand or that touch old wounds, and that the work is to observe that reaction before acting on it. She gives examples: a stranger noticing her C-section scar, Christians telling her on livestreams that she'll burn in hell, and a former occultist telling her flatly that she's wrong. In each case she chose not to match the other person's activation, which she frames as honoring her own deconstruction. Ryan adds that "activation" implies a choice, where "trigger" implies a set direction. Bella also warns newer practitioners about the early "teeth out" phase after leaving a religion. She says people who stay defensive and righteous risk building a rigid occult doctrine that looks a lot like what they left. She contrasts that with the Infernal Divine, who she says wants practitioners to choose the harder path of evolution and sovereignty mid-activation. She also notes the differences between traditionalist, revisionist, and revivalist approaches, so people can disagree without disrespect. The second half turns to parables. Ryan shares "teach a man to fish" as the core of his approach, and they discuss the difference between knowledge and embodiment, along with the idea of "I am" as an expression of divine sovereignty. Bella connects that sovereignty to the shift from polytheism to monotheism and urges listeners to stay comfortable in gray areas. She then gives a spoiler-flagged reading of the film Ready or Not. Ryan reflects on his own move from absorbing knowledge to embodying his practice, and on how it grounded him more deeply in physical life. Bella closes by marking the one-year anniversary of her surgery and the end of her "year of reciprocity." She describes the latest phase of her priestess binding with Lucifer and her move into a "year of sovereignty," and invites listeners to choose a guiding theme for their own year. She signs off with a reminder to be kind and not act from activated places. Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com

  2. Oct 10

    Omnism, Ants and The Galactic Federation - Lunch Time with Demons

    Season Two (Ep 38) Bella opens with a quick plea for listeners to get their flu shots, then introduces omnism, the view that every religion holds some piece of  common truths and valid insight and none has a monopoly on it. She uses that as a frame for a bigger topic: a viral Gaia video in which Elizabeth April describes being an extraterrestrial temporarily living in a human body and discusses conflict within the "Galactic Federation." Bella says she believes April but thinks she's sharing these ideas without the foundation listeners need. She then lays out her own cosmology: time is non-linear and shaped like a funnel or cone, with planetary deities as universal energies; reincarnated lives happen simultaneously; dimensions interact through a "mirrored" universe; and some divine beings, including Lucifer, have physical forms. She traces all of this to her encounter in Los Angeles with "Galaxy Lady," a client she describes as a being from another universe, when a portal reportedly opened and knocked out power on the street, and three "watcher" beings spoke to Lucifer through her. She says that moment upended her practice and is why she struggles to call her deities "demons." The second half focuses on how to hold information like this responsibly. Bella pushes back on framing the Federation as having a "dark side," arguing that its disagreements are about how progression and survival should unfold, not good versus evil, and that someone visiting it can't know when in time they've landed. She stresses that these experiences should be applied to living better as a human rather than longing to escape to a higher existence, and describes peace and growth as coming through dissolving ego. She repeatedly frames everything as her unverified personal gnosis (UPG), subject to change, and urges listeners to observe without necessarily absorbing, to use adult discernment, and to stay grounded and collective-minded. She mentions losing a friend to psychosis and suicide as the reason she's been cautious. Ryan adds that the trouble usually comes from what people do with gnosis, holding it too tightly instead of letting it move through them, and the two close by agreeing that dualism holds back growth and that everyone holds a piece of a larger puzzle. Next week's episode will cover AI and spirituality.

  3. Oct 3

    Lord Leviathan Part Three - Lunch Time with Demons

    Season Two (Ep 36) A cardinal lands outside Bella's window, and she takes it as a hello from Satan — a fitting omen to open the finale of the Leviathan series. From there, Bella and Ryan lay out a sea-serpent field guide to the monsters braided into Leviathan's imagery of Tiamat, Norse Jörmungandr, the Vedic Vritra, Japan's Ryūjin, and more  tracing the strange cross-cultural pattern of storm gods forever battling serpents of the sea, and asking why so many of these creatures get cast as female or villainous. Ryan's read of Melville's Moby Dick as a leviathan of the unconquerable subconscious, while Bella shares local cryptid encounters from the Hudson Valley to a Vermont lake-monster road trip. The second half turns to practice: Bella makes the case that ocean conservation  beach cleanups, leaving shells and driftwood for the ecosystem, cutting waste that fouls his waters is among the truest offerings to Leviathan, and walks through the spare altar and unusual gifts he accepts, from Hudson River finds to a falling-apart tarot deck he claimed as his own. She closes on his patience and loyalty, and the unusually welcoming community that gathers around him. Ave Leviathan. Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com

  4. Oct 1

    Lord Leviathan Part Two Cont. - Lunch Time with Demons

    Season Two (Ep 36 Cont.) This the continuation of episode 36 for the final 16 mins of the episode

  5. Sep 26

    Lord Leviathan Part Two - Lunch Time with Demons

    Season Two (Ep 36) This second episode in the Leviathan series shifts from lore to Bella's personal practice of what it's actually like to work with him. She describes his energy as heavy and dense, like sitting at the bottom of the ocean, and says that's why many people only engage with him in small doses. Before reaching out to him (unless he's already reaching out to you), she recommends knowing how you handle stress, shadow work, and the subconscious, since he tends to expose exactly what you're avoiding. She lists signs he's reaching out  sudden ocean or serpent content, a pull toward the coast, irritability, and especially his sigil or name showing up everywhere, since she says he's the most direct of the entities she works with about identifying himself. She also touches on his associations (Neptune's slow, wide-reaching, consistent energy; a comparison to low and high tide for how he exposes and then eases off), his willingness to present as male or female, and general advice to approach any entity with curiosity rather than assumptions. The bulk of the episode is a candid, emotional account of her own six-month upheaval when Leviathan entered her practice: he exposed her unaddressed depression, people-pleasing, self-sabotage, and unhealthy dynamics with Lucifer, at one point leading her to pack up her altar entirely before apologizing and unpacking it the next day. She frames this as him teaching her self-regulation and accountability in ways other entities in her practice hadn't, and describes a resulting sense of humility and unconditional love among Leviathan practitioners generally. She closes with practical notes: he's a minimalist who dislikes clutter and prefers intentional, simple offerings (a shell, a sigil coaster, things returned to nature) over lots of items, and cares more about how you engage with him than what you give him. Ryan then shares his own relationship with Leviathan as a calm, near-wordless companion during freediving, and Bella previews episode three, which will cover serpent and sea-god folklore and Leviathan's connection to Neptune. Abella's LinkTree Ryan's LinkTree

  6. Sep 19

    Lord Leviathan Part One - Lunch Time with Demons

    Season Two (Ep 35) In this first episode of a three-part series on Leviathan, Bella and Ryan trace the entity's history through texts. Bella explains that Leviathan predates Judaism and Christianity, and links him to the Ugaritic sea and chaos serpents Lotan and Yam from the Baal cycle. She follows him through the Hebrew Bible (Job, Psalms and Isaiah 27), where he is a monster of chaos that only God can defeat and is never called a demon. She also covers the apocryphal and Midrashic material: Behemoth as his land-dwelling counterpart in 1 Enoch, the Apocalypse of Abraham's shift toward a cosmic god of the abyss, and stories of male and female Leviathans. She notes that Revelation never names him. In the Middle Ages he becomes the "mouth of Hell," and Binsfeld later assigns him to Envy. Weyer's hierarchies place him among the infernal ranks, and Collin de Plancy names him Grand Admiral of Hell. The second half looks at his modern occult identity. Bella explains that his sigil is really the alchemical symbol for sulfur, which became "Leviathan's Cross" only after Anton LaVey used it in the 1960s. She also covers his broader role in the Qliphoth as a current running through the whole initiation, and the idea that the Abyss and the Void are separate entities that can be worked with independently. Throughout, she says that everything discussed is human interpretation rather than direct knowledge of him, and that he "is not for everyone," though the abyss touches everyone's life. She sums up the plan for the series: this episode is the textual foundation, the next covers working with him personally, and the third covers UPG (unverified personal gnosis).  Abella's LinkTree Ryan's LinkTree

  7. Sep 14

    Morbid Monday - Pregnacy and the Divine

    This Morbid Monday mini-episode with Bella and Ryan extends their NSFW divine-practices episode into a deep dive on human-divine conception across history  tracing it from Greek mythology (Zeus fathering Hercules, Perseus, and Dionysus) through Egyptian pharaonic lore, Mesopotamian traditions (Gilgamesh, Enuma Elish, Enki's temple marriages), the virgin birth of Jesus, and Renaissance-era monarchies and alchemical self-deification, up to Carl Jung's psychological "sacred marriage" with the divine. Bella then turns to modern astral/energetic experiences of divine pregnancy and birth, describing how these can manifest literally or symbolically (as constellations, dragons, or other imagery) and sharing her own practice of co-creating with entities she's spoused to, plus a personal reflection on her daughter Juniper's heterochromia as a possible energetic connection to Lucifer. The episode closes with a message of non-judgment  emphasizing that everyone's experience of divine union is valid, that practitioners shouldn't feel shame or need external validation, and that this practice has ancient, cross-cultural roots rather than being a modern or fringe phenomenon.

  8. Sep 11

    The Quiet Part Out Loud - Lunch Time with Demons

    Season Two (Ep 34) This episode of Lunchtime with Demons opens with a heavy disclaimer before diving into deliberately taboo occult territory bindings, patron work, god-spousal rites, pregnancies with divine entities, and other-dimensional lives. Her central framework treats bindings as literal alchemy: she walks through a chemistry metaphor (atoms rearranging into water) to argue that union with a divine being changes your internal "compound" the way two elements react to form something new, and connects this to the idea that time is linear for humans but nonlinear for the divine meaning a "patron" bond can feel predestined even before a formal binding is done. She distinguishes ordinary bindings (a full chemical change) from a newer, harder-to-name pattern she's seeing across many unconnected clients this year  a "layering" or "nameless/Emperor-Empress" binding that feels less like transformation and more like an entity's essence being layered onto a practitioner, which she ties to her own priesthood binding with Lucifer and his explanation of why she can't take vows to another entity. Ryan chimes in periodically to reinforce her points (the Catholic cardinal/bishop/pope progression as a metaphor for repeated "distillation," relationships with the divine as vehicles, the Matrix Oracle scene about understanding rather than making a choice). She pivots into multidimensional/past-life gnosis arguing all your lives are happening simultaneously rather than sequentially, and that your current life is the version that "wins out"  while repeatedly cautioning listeners to stay grounded, use discernment, and not romanticize or rush into these practices, distinguishing her approach from traditionalist occultism and from what she sees as unqualified pop-psychology labeling of practitioners as "psychotic." She runs long (over an hour), promises a follow-up "Morbid Monday" episode on divine pregnancy and an upcoming Leviathan series, plugs her limited fall reading session "Lacrimosa" (available through Samhain, releasing September 27th on a new website), and closes reminding listeners to get flu shots and take care of their mental health. Cover art created by Casey at BellTarot.com Abella's LinkTree Ryan's LinkTree

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Welcome to Lunch Time With Demons — where the vibes are real, the tea is hot, and the demons might just be more reasonable than you think. Join demonologists and religious scholars A. Bella and Ryan as they dive into the beautifully bizarre world of the occult. With decades of combined experience in spirit work, theology, and ritual practice, they offer a grounded, modern take on demonolatry and the ancient grimoires that continue to shape our understanding of the infernal divine. Each episode serves up digestible dialogue on everything from our own spiritual practice, personal encounters, ghost stories, to cross-cultural religion, mythology, and dismantling toxic dogma; all while honoring the sacred. If you've ever wondered what demons really are, how to approach the infernal with reverence, or why your religious trauma still flinches at the word "Lucifer," this podcast is your permission slip to unlearn, explore, and reclaim. Whether you're a seasoned practitioner, a curious newcomer, or someone just here for the spicy theology and paranormal tea, grab your headphones. New episodes every week. Bring your own offerings.

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  • Creator
    Ashlee B. Caress
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    83
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2024
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