Degrees of Change

California Competes: Higher Education for a Strong Economy

A podcast from California Competes: Higher Education for a Strong Economy that explores how smart higher education and workforce policies can help Californians learn, contribute, and thrive. Through candid conversations with thought leaders, policymakers, and practitioners, this podcast brings bold ideas and practical solutions to address some of the state’s most pressing challenges.

Episodes

  1. Jul 14

    AI and the Future of Learning with Isabelle Hau

    Artificial intelligence is rapidly reshaping how we work, learn, and connect. But what should that mean for higher education? In this episode of Degrees of Change, California Competes CEO Su Jin Jez sits down with sits down with one of education’s leading thinkers on AI, Isabelle Hau, Executive Director of the Stanford Accelerator for Learning, to explore how AI could transform learning and why the most important questions may have less to do with technology and more to do with human development. Their conversation explores the promise and risks of AI in education, including personalized learning, student supports, critical thinking, creativity, ethics, and the growing importance of what Hau calls "relational intelligence." Key Topics How AI could reshape teaching, learning, assessment, and student supportWhy the concept of the "Turing Trap" is relevant for AI and educationWhy relational intelligence may become one of the most valuable skills in an AI-driven economyHow AI can help reduce barriers for student parentsThe emerging divide between AI creators and AI usersOur Guest Isabelle Hau is Executive Director of the Stanford Accelerator for Learning, where she leads efforts to connect learning science, technology, and innovation to improve outcomes for learners around the world. She is also the author of Love to Learn: The Transformative Power of Care and Connection in Early Education and a leading voice on the future of learning, human development, and equitable educational opportunity.  In This Episode Stanford Accelerator for Learning: https://acceleratelearning.stanford.edu/Love to Learn: The Transformative Power of Care and Connection in Early Education by Isabelle C. Hau: https://isabellehau.com/book-love-to-learn/Erik Brynjolfsson's work on the Turing Trap: https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/12/18/241341/the-turing-trap-the-promise-peril-of-human-like-artificial-intelligence/David Deming's research on social skills and the labor market: https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/ddeming/files/deming_socialskills_aug16.pdfStanford Center for Teaching and Learning: https://ctl.stanford.edu/Stanford Accelerator for Learning's work on AI and learning: https://acceleratelearning.stanford.edu/artificial-intelligence-and-learning/Stay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    AI and the Future of Learning with Isabelle Hau
  2. May 28

    Innovation in Higher Education with Maria Anguiano

    California’s higher education system has served millions of students. But it was built as a rigid, one-time credential system that does not meet the needs of all learners. In this episode, California Competes CEO Dr. Su Jin Jez speaks with College Futures Foundation’s Entrepreneur-in-Residence Maria Anguiano about how to redesign higher education to be more flexible, more equitable, and more responsive to how people actually learn. Drawing on her experience leading large-scale efforts at Arizona State University, Maria outlines a set of design principles and practical strategies for change. Key Topics Designing higher education around learners rather than institutionsModular, stackable pathways and competency-based learningThe role of digital infrastructure in expanding access and improving qualityMoving beyond modality to focus on better student outcomes Our Guest Maria Anguiano is Entrepreneur-in-Residence at College Futures Foundation and former Executive Vice President of Arizona State University’s Learning Enterprise. At ASU, she led the development of a lifelong learning model that reached more than one million learners across more than 140 countries. She is a first-generation college graduate and serves as Vice Chair of the University of California Board of Regents and on the boards of the James Irvine Foundation and the KIPP Foundation. In This Episode Maria Anguiano’s Blog Series: https://collegefutures.org/tag/maria-anguianos-blog-series-on-transforming-education-for-a-changing-economy/Rewriting Education’s Design Principles: https://collegefutures.org/rewriting-educations-design-principles/California Competes Convening at the ASU+GSV Summit: panel-on-california-higher-education-innovation-at-the-asugsv-summitReimagining Online Education: https://californiacompetes.org/resources/reimagining-online-ed/Redesigning Higher Education for Today’s Students: https://cahybridcollege.com/ASU Local: https://asulocal.asu.edu/California Learning Lab: https://calearninglab.org/ATAIN (AI Transfer and Articulation Infrastructure Network), UC Berkeley: https://www.atainnetwork.org/Building a Shared Vision for California Higher Ed’s Future: building-a-shared-vision-for-californias-higher-ed-future Stay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    Innovation in Higher Education with Maria Anguiano
  3. Apr 23

    The Basic Needs Movement in Higher Education with Dr. Rashida Crutchfield

    When students can't meet their basic needs, academic success becomes exponentially harder. That reality shapes whether they enroll, persist, or graduate. For our third episode, California Competes CEO Su Jin Jez speaks with Dr. Rashida Crutchfield, a leading researcher and advocate whose work has helped spark a basic needs movement in higher education. They dig into what the evidence demands of institutions, policymakers, and communities, and what it will actually take to meet students where they are. Key Topics How the basic needs movement has evolved over two decades, and why rising costs and stubborn misconceptions mean the work is far from overWhy short-term fixes only go so far, and why cross-sector partnerships are essential to winning deeper investments in student basic needsWhy housing affordability is quietly shaping who enrolls in college at allOur Guest Dr. Rashida Crutchfield is a professor in the School of Social Work at California State University, Long Beach, and executive director of the Center for Equitable Higher Education, a research center dedicated to studying and promoting economic, food, and housing justice. A leading researcher and advocate, Rashida's work as principal investigator for the CSU system-wide study on food and housing security helped shape basic needs programs across all 23 CSU campuses. She is co-author of Addressing Homelessness and Housing Insecurity in Higher Education: Strategies for Educational Leaders, a widely used resource for institutions developing basic needs programs and services. Dr. Crutchfield is an advisory board member for California ASPIRES, a coalition California Competes recently launched to streamline public benefits for student success. In This Episode College Focused Rapid Rehousing ProgramCalifornia Alliance for Streamlining Public Investments and Resources for Every Student (California ASPIRES)Higher Ed Research Informing Solutions for Excellence (Higher Ed RISE) initiativeImproving College Affordability by Streamlining Access to Public BenefitsStay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    The Basic Needs Movement in Higher Education with Dr. Rashida Crutchfield
  4. Mar 25

    Aligning Education and Work with Paul Fain

    California Competes CEO Su Jin Jez speaks with journalist Paul Fain about aligning higher education and workforce systems to build a strong, inclusive economy. Together, they explore what system alignment looks like in practice, the opportunities and risks of Workforce Pell, how AI is reshaping education and work, and what it will take to build an inclusive economy for all Californians. Key Topics What aligning higher education and workforce systems actually means in practice, and where California stands relative to the rest of the countryWorkforce Pell's opportunities and risks, and why tuition is only part of the affordability equationHow AI is reshaping education and work, and the need to cut through the hype to focus on what students and institutions need to prepare forOur Guest Paul Fain is a journalist who covers the connections between education and work. He is co-founder of Work Shift, editor of the newsletter The Job, and host of The Cusp podcast, which explores how AI is changing the ways we learn and work. A veteran higher education reporter, Paul spent a decade at Inside Higher Ed as a senior reporter and news editor, where he led coverage of low-income and first-generation students, college completion, community colleges, and federal policy.  In This Episode California Competes report, Insights from the Field: Barriers & Opportunities for Building Higher Education–Employer PartnershipsCalifornia Cradle-to-Career Data SystemCalifornia Alliance for Streamlining Public Investments and Resources for Every Student (California ASPIRES)Georgetown Center on Education and Workforce report, Missed Opportunities: Credential Shortages in Programs Aligned with High-Paying Middle-Skills Jobs in 55 US Metro AreasPew Research report, Interest Surging in Nondegree Credentials but How Do Students Finance Them?Harvard's Project on WorkforceCalifornia Competes report, From Institutions to Individuals: A Paradigm Shift for California’s Master Plan for Higher Education Stay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    Aligning Education and Work with Paul Fain
  5. Feb 12

    A Data System for All Californians with Mary Ann Bates

    A Data System for All Californians with Mary Ann Bates We’re excited to bring you Crystal Clear: A Vision for the Future of California Higher Ed, a new season of Degrees of Change marking our organization’s 15th anniversary—our crystal anniversary. Throughout this season, we'll delve into some of the toughest issues facing higher education: college affordability, artificial intelligence, the pathways between education and work, supporting underserved students and prospective students like those with children, workers in low-wage jobs, and other underserved and often unseen populations, along with using data to drive equitable outcomes and more. For our first episode, California Competes CEO Su Jin Jez sits down with Mary Ann Bates, Executive Director of California's Office of Cradle-to-Career Data (C2C)—an initiative linking data across education, workforce, and social services to reveal pathways, outcomes, and opportunity gaps across the state. Key Topics What California's data landscape looked like before C2C—and the vision for something betterReal examples of how linked data helps answer questions that were previously impossible to tackleWhy a community co-design approach, rooted in a "listen first, then build" mentality, has been foundational to creating a truly useful resourceWhere the C2C data system is headed and its potential to transform education and workforce outcomes Our Guest Mary Ann Bates is the Executive Director of California's Office of Cradle-to-Career Data (C2C). C2C links data across California's education, workforce, and social service agencies to provide a clearer picture of pathways, outcomes, and equity gaps. It offers transparent, actionable insights that help policymakers, educators, and communities understand what works—and importantly, for whom. Prior to leading C2C, Mary Ann served as a senior fellow in the White House Office of Management and Budget, and prior to that served as the Executive Director of the North America Abdul Latif Jameel Poverty Action Lab at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, which aims to reduce poverty by ensuring that policy is informed by scientific evidence.  In This Episode Higher Ed RISE (Higher Education Research Informing Solutions for Excellence): https://californiacompetes.org/higher-ed-rise/ CalKIDS College Savings Program: https://calkids.org/California Labor & Workforce Development Agency: https://www.labor.ca.gov/CalFresh (California SNAP Program): https://www.cdss.ca.gov/calfreshMedi-Cal (California Medicaid Program): https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/services/medi-calStay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    A Data System for All Californians with Mary Ann Bates
  6. 12/18/2025

    Understanding California's Higher Education Funding System: A Conversation with Dr. Jennifer Delaney

    Dr. Jennifer Delaney joins the final episode of the first season of Degrees of Change to unpack how California finances its higher education system and what that means for students, institutions, and the state’s future. Throughout the conversation, Dr. Delaney explores California’s mix of institutional appropriations and student aid, the effects of funding volatility and misaligned budget cycles, and the ways in which long-standing policies such as Proposition 98 shape resource distribution across the University of California, California State University, and the community colleges. She also reflects on how today’s diverse student population no longer aligns with the assumptions baked into the 1960 Master Plan. Key Topics Why the current system reinforces stratification among institutions and studentsHow Proposition 98 protects community colleges while leaving CSU and UC more exposed to cutsWhat equity-based funding models could mean for California’s futureOur Guest, Dr. Jennifer Delaney Dr. Delaney is a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Education, and a national expert on higher education finance. Her research examines how states fund their public universities, focusing on funding volatility, policy effectiveness, and the fiscal relationships between governments and institutions. Dr. Delaney also served on the Illinois Board of Higher Education, bringing both scholarly expertise and governance experience to understanding how funding decisions shape educational opportunity. Stay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    Understanding California's Higher Education Funding System: A Conversation with Dr. Jennifer Delaney
  7. 12/03/2025

    Why Higher Education is Central to California’s Business Climate: A Conversation with Senator Roger Niello

    California State Senator Roger Niello joins the latest episode of Degrees of Change. As a UC Berkeley graduate, certified public accountant, family business owner for 25 years, and former president of the Sacramento Metro Chamber of Commerce, Senator Niello brings decades of experience in connecting workforce needs with educational outcomes. His perspective as both a business leader and a legislator offers valuable insights on how businesses and educational institutions can collaborate more effectively to strengthen California's economy. Key Topics Why business leaders must engage with higher educationWhat makes employer-education partnerships succeed or failHow we can better prepare students for tomorrow's jobs Our Guest, State Senator Roger Niello Senator Niello represents California's 6th Senate District, encompassing portions of Sacramento and Placer counties. He brings extensive experience in both business and government, having previously served as president of the Sacramento Metro Chamber of Commerce and in the California State Assembly. As co-owner of the Niello Company, an automobile dealership he has run with his family for 25 years, and a certified public accountant by training, Senator Niello has consistently leveraged his business expertise to advance legislation aimed at improving California's business climate and supporting economic development and job creation. He also serves on the board of directors for California Competes, where his business perspective helps shape the organization's approach to strengthening education-to-employment pathways. Stay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    Why Higher Education is Central to California’s Business Climate: A Conversation with Senator Roger Niello
  8. 11/04/2025

    Transforming Higher Ed Through Bolder Policy Reform

    On the latest episode of our Degrees of Change podcast, State Senator Christopher Cabaldon challenges us to think bigger and act bolder. A UC Berkeley graduate, former vice chancellor for California Community Colleges, and faculty member at Sacramento State, Senator Cabaldon has experienced higher education from nearly every angle—as an educator, policymaker, and longtime mayor. Now serving in the State Senate, he makes a compelling case: the stakes in higher education are as high as in healthcare or climate policy. It’s time we start acting like it. Senator Cabaldon shares his approach to eliminating barriers rather than simply helping students navigate them, including his new legislation driving automatic admissions to the California State University. He also discusses why California must refocus our systems on serving all Californians throughout their lives, not just recent high school graduates. Key Topics The paradox of higher education: shared values make collaboration easier but can prevent the accountability and breakthrough innovation found in other policy areasWhat higher education can learn from other policy domains about ambition and urgencyHow California can create meaningful coordination to streamline pathways to and through higher education Our Guest, State Senator Christopher Cabaldon Senator Cabaldon represents California's 3rd Senate District, which spans portions of Contra Costa, Solano, Sacramento, Napa, Sonoma, and Yolo counties. He was elected to the State Senate in 2024 after serving over two decades as Mayor of West Sacramento, where he launched the first auto-admission program in the country. His extensive experience includes serving as Vice Chancellor for Policy, Planning, and External Affairs at the California Community Colleges, teaching as a university faculty member at Sacramento State, serving as a commissioner on the Western Interstate Commission on Higher Education, serving on President Obama's College Promise Board, and serving as a former board member of California Competes. He also chaired the education committee for the U.S. Conference of Mayors. This multifaceted background gives him unique insight into how education policy works at every level of California's complex system. Stay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    Transforming Higher Ed Through Bolder Policy Reform
  9. 09/24/2025

    Building Higher Ed Pathways that Center California's Students

    Dr. Carl Cohn is the latest guest on our new podcast, Degrees of Change, which is kicking off with a series of interviews exploring the legacy of California’s 1960 Master Plan for Higher Education.  His rare blend of experience in a wide range of roles within education, along with a remarkable track record of improving student achievement, brings a valuable perspective on how the state can renew its commitment to accessible public higher education. Dr. Cohn joins Dr. Su Jin Jez, Chief Executive Officer of California Competes, for a discussion about how California can redesign its higher education and workforce systems to better meet the needs of its residents and drive economic growth.  Key topics Overcoming current barriers that make higher education inaccessible and unaffordable to too many CaliforniansStrengthening the alignment of the state’s K-12 and higher education systemsIdentifying opportunities to prioritize the needs of students over institutional hierarchiesOur Guest, Dr. Carl Cohn Dr. Cohn has been a teacher, counselor, professor, federal court monitor, superintendent, and the executive director of California Collaborative for Educational Excellence, an independent state agency that monitors, advises, and assists school districts to improve their performance. Under his leadership, Long Beach Unified School District became a national model for high academic standards and accountability, ultimately earning the district the coveted Broad Prize for Urban Education for the public system with the greatest overall performance and improvement in student achievement while narrowing achievement gaps among low-income students and students of color. Today, he is a professor emeritus in the School of Educational Studies at Claremont Graduate University.  Dr. Cohn earned his EdD in Administrative and Policy Studies from UCLA, an MA in Counseling from Chapman University, and a BA in Philosophy from St. John’s College. Resources and Links From Institutions to Individuals: A Paradigm Shift for California’s Master Plan for Higher Education - Written as part of a UCLA Civil Rights Project series on the future of education and civil rights in California, our white paper explores a bold, equity-centered vision for California’s postsecondary system—one built to endure varying economic cycles, aligned with today’s economic and societal needs, and strengthens pathways to opportunity.California Competes: Higher Education for a Strong Economy - Learn more about our work.Stay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    Building Higher Ed Pathways that Center California's Students
  10. 08/21/2025

    Recommitting to Affordability in California’s Higher Ed System

    In 1960, California released a Master Plan for higher education that was bold for its time, rooted in principles of accessibility, affordability, quality, and fairness. But much has changed since the mid-20th century. Budget restrictions arising from Proposition 13, changes in student demographics, and shifts in the labor market necessitate a reimagined master plan for the 21st century. In this episode of Degrees of Change, Dr. Su Jin Jez sits down with Dr. Christopher J. Nellum, the executive director of EdTrust-West, to reflect on the enduring relevance of the Master Plan’s guiding principles and how the state can recommit to those principles. Key Topics Needed changes to financial aid so more Californians can afford collegeReducing regional inequities in access to higher educationStrengthening alignment of the state’s TK-12, college, and workforce systemsOur Guest, Dr. Christopher J. Nellum EdTrust-West’s Dr. Christopher J. Nellum is leader on educational equity in California whose work spans TK to higher education. He draws from his experiences in Head Start, growing up in a rural part of California, and benefiting from the support of a high school guidance counselor who helped him secure government grants that were essential for being able to attend college.  Dr. Nellum has served in roles with the National Center for Institutional Diversity, Young Invincibles, and the American Council on Education. Nellum earned his undergraduate degree at UC Santa Barbara, master’s degree at CSU Long Beach, and Ph.D. at the University of Michigan. Resources and Links From Institutions to Individuals: A Paradigm Shift for California’s Master Plan for Higher Education - Written as part of a UCLA Civil Rights Project series on the future of education and civil rights in California, our white paper explores a bold, equity-centered vision for California’s postsecondary system—one built to endure varying economic cycles, aligned with today’s economic and societal needs, and strengthens pathways to opportunity.California Competes: Higher Education for a Strong Economy - Learn more about our work.Stay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    Recommitting to Affordability in California’s Higher Ed System
  11. 07/21/2025

    Reimagining California’s Master Plan with Pat Callan

    What happens when a plan designed in 1960 still shapes the experiences of California students today? In this episode of Degrees of Change, Dr. Su Jin Jez sits down with Pat Callan, one of the nation's most influential leaders in higher education reform. Pat shares insights from decades of policy work and helps us unpack how California’s Master Plan was shaped, where it falls short, and what must change to make California’s higher education system more equitable and responsive to the needs of today. Key Topics The original goals—and limitations—of California’s 1960 Master PlanHow the state drifted away from a student-centered visionThe roles of state leadership, accountability, and courage in driving changeOur Guest, Pat Callan For decades, Pat Callan has been one of the nation's most respected leaders in higher education reform.  He served as president of some of our nation’s most influential organizations, such as the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education and the Higher Education Policy Institute, and as a leader of several state postsecondary education commissions—including California’s former entity. He has published many articles and papers on higher education policy, educational opportunity, public accountability, financing of higher education, and state policy leadership. He coauthored Designing State Higher Education Systems for a New Century and Financing American Higher Education in the Age of Globalization. He is coeditor of Public and Private Financing of Higher Education: Shaping Public Policy for the Future and The Learning Connection, New Partnerships between Schools and Colleges. Resources and Links From Institutions to Individuals: A Paradigm Shift for California’s Master Plan for Higher Education - Written as part of a UCLA Civil Rights Project series on the future of education and civil rights in California, our white paper explores a bold, equity-centered vision for California’s postsecondary system—one built to endure varying economic cycles, aligned with today’s economic and societal needs, and strengthens pathways to opportunity.California Competes: Higher Education for a Strong Economy - Learn more about our work.Stay Connected Subscribe to Degrees of Change on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Sign up to receive updates.Follow California Competes on LinkedIn.

    Reimagining California’s Master Plan with Pat Callan

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A podcast from California Competes: Higher Education for a Strong Economy that explores how smart higher education and workforce policies can help Californians learn, contribute, and thrive. Through candid conversations with thought leaders, policymakers, and practitioners, this podcast brings bold ideas and practical solutions to address some of the state’s most pressing challenges.