The Quantum Economy Podcast

Anders Indset

The Quantum Economy Podcast is a series of conversations with leaders across quantum science, business, philosophy, and emerging technologies. Each episode brings together diverse perspectives to examine how exponential technologies, especially quantum computing, artificial intelligence, and biotechnology, contribute to core systems of human organization, including economics, governance, and scientific progress.

  1. Oct 6

    Why Q-Day Moved to 2029 | Arm Co-Founder Hermann Hauser

    Q-Day was supposed to be 2035. Arm co-founder Hermann Hauser says it is now 2029 because the qubits needed to break RSA-2048 have fallen from a million to as few as 10,000, according to recent research from Google and Oratomic. If he is right, RSA-2048, which still protects much of the internet, has about three years left. Hauser co-founded Acorn Computers, where two engineers designed Arm's processor on almost no budget, and he now invests across several quantum modalities. Anders Indset sits down with Hermann Hauser, co-founder of Acorn Computers and Amadeus Capital Partners, at the Austrian Embassy in London to ask what the Arm story teaches about quantum, why Europe produces startups but loses them at scale, and how far computing, biology and physics can go before they run into the question of what a human being is. In this conversation, they explore: Why Q-Day moved from 2035 to 2029, and how the qubit estimate dropped from a million to 10,000-26,000 How two engineers with no money built the Arm processor, and why "less is more" put 350 billion chips in the world Which of the five qubit modalities could win, and why the measure of progress may shift to operations per second per dollar Where quantum advantage already exists, and how better error correction and AI-discovered algorithms could widen it Whether quantum computers will leave the data center for phones, drones and robots Why Europe has plenty of startups but loses its scale-ups, and what the Scale Up Europe Fund is meant to fix Why Hermann says Arm added $200 billion in three years, about what the German car industry took a century to build Why a pendulum can compute with no energy, and what the Landauer limit says about the cost of a bit Whether a brain can be simulated, and what Penrose's quantum-consciousness idea adds How Constructive Bio built virus-proof bacteria, and whether reality itself could be a simulation About Hermann Hauser LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/hermannhauser Website - https://www.amadeuscapital.com/team/hermann-hauser/ About The Quantum Economy Podcast A series exploring quantum theory, quantum tech, AI, and the evolution of intelligence, and how these forces redefine the economy, value creation, and the future of human systems. Learn more: https://thequantumeconomy.com Contact: podcast@thequantumeconomy.com YouTube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnjrEO3TF1lUTutnqlfA3x88Rp0gVkOmD Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6pepc2PaCd06FHlf1pzDOg Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-quantum-economy-podcast/id1828917980 About Anders Indset Anders Indset is a business philosopher and author of seven international bestsellers, including The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI and Ex Machina – The God Experiment. As founder of tomorrowmensch, he invests in early-stage science and technology and convenes scientists, investors, and entrepreneurs working on what comes after the current paradigm. NEW BOOK: The Quantum Economy https://andersindset.com/shop/The-Quantum-Economy-p803754261 Website: https://andersindset.com tomorrowmensch: https://tomorrowmensch.com LinkedIn (personal): https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersindset/ LinkedIn (tomorrowmensch): https://www.linkedin.com/company/tomorrowmensch/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andersindset Substack: https://andersindset.substack.com/ X: http://x.com/andersindset Support & Share If this conversation shifted how you think about biology, consciousness, or the future of quantum tech, like it, comment, and send it to someone who'd get into it. Subscribe for more conversations with the people shaping the quantum economy. #quantumcomputing #technology #podcast

  2. Sep 15

    Analog vs Digital: The Two Futures of Quantum Computing | Marta Estarellas

    Most quantum computers being built today chase more qubits and better error correction. Marta Estarellas's company Qilimanjaro went the other way: an analog system that lets physics do the computation, unlocked with fluxonium qubits that hold record coherence times. The bet is that the future of supercomputing is not one machine but a multimodality of digital, analog, and classical systems working together. Anders Indset sits down with Marta Estarellas, CEO of Qilimanjaro Quantum Tech, the Barcelona full-stack quantum company behind Europe's first analog quantum computer installed at the Barcelona Supercomputing Center, to ask what quantum computing looks like when you stop treating the gate-based machine as the only future. In this conversation, they explore: Why analog quantum computing lets you skip gate decomposition and let the physics compute directly How adiabatic quantum computing and gate-based quantum computing are formally equivalent, but analog opens a different execution path The fluxonium qubit and why it now holds the best coherence records What happens when quantum computers finally leave the cryostat and move to room temperature Whether an analog quantum machine still counts as a computer through the lens of David Deutsch's universal quantum computer The near-term applications that are already realistic, from spectral data analysis to drug discovery Quantum-enhanced AI and whether quantum computing can fix what is broken in large language models Europe's positioning versus the US and China in the global quantum race The timeline: what actually changes by 2030 versus what stays hype Chapter Breakdown: 00:00 -Introduction  08:55- The two types of qubits: fluxonium versus transmon  11:34 -Is an analog quantum machine actually a computer?  20:20 -Adiabatic quantum computing and gate-based quantum computing  27:36 -The timeline: will commercial quantum arrive by 2030?  35:17- Can quantum chips ever leave cryogenics? 43:50 How quantum changes biology and drug discovery  48:30- Quantum-enhanced AI versus classical large language models 54:10 Europe versus the US versus China in the quantum race  01:05:09 -What feels normal in 2036? About Marta P Estarellas LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpestarellas/ Website - https://qilimanjaro.tech/ About The Quantum Economy Podcast A series exploring quantum theory, quantum tech, AI, and the evolution of intelligence, and how these forces redefine the economy, value creation, and the future of human systems. Learn more: https://thequantumeconomy.com Contact: podcast@thequantumeconomy.com YouTube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnjrEO3TF1lUTutnqlfA3x88Rp0gVkOmD Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6pepc2PaCd06FHlf1pzDOg Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-quantum-economy-podcast/id1828917980 About Anders Indset Anders Indset is a business philosopher and author of seven international bestsellers, including The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI and Ex Machina – The God Experiment. As founder of tomorrowmensch, he invests in early-stage science and technology and convenes scientists, investors, and entrepreneurs working on what comes after the current paradigm. NEW BOOK: The Quantum Economy https://andersindset.com/shop/The-Quantum-Economy-p803754261 Website: https://andersindset.com tomorrowmensch: https://tomorrowmensch.com LinkedIn (personal): https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersindset/ LinkedIn (tomorrowmensch): https://www.linkedin.com/company/tomorrowmensch/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andersindset Substack: https://andersindset.substack.com/ X: http://x.com/andersindset Support & Share If this conversation shifted how you think about biology, consciousness, or the future of quantum tech, like it, comment, and send it to someone who'd get into it. Subscribe for more conversations with the people shaping the quantum economy.

  3. Jul 28

    The Physics of Being Alive: Quantum Biology, Consciousness & Simulation Theory | Nirosha Murugan

    How much do we really understand about life? In this episode of The Quantum Economy Podcast, Anders Indset speaks with Dr. Nirosha Murugan, Canada Research Chair in Tissue Biophysics, founder of Helioflux. In her research, she investigates the physical principles that underlie living systems. In this conversation, they explore: Why biology may need to move beyond a purely biochemical understanding of lifeHow energy and information shape living systemsWhether consciousness emerges from the brain or from more fundamental physical processesWhat slime mold can teach us about intelligence, AI, and distributed cognitionHow quantum biology could transform medicine and our understanding of healthWhether reality itself could be a simulation, and what that would mean for free willWhy philosophy is becoming increasingly important as science pushes the boundaries of life, intelligence, and longevityThis is a conversation about quantum biology, consciousness, artificial intelligence, regenerative medicine, and one of the biggest scientific questions of our time: What does it actually mean to be alive? About Nirosha Murugan LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nirosha-murugan/ Murugan Lab: https://themuruganlab.com/ Substack: https://tseenergy.substack.com/ About Anders Indset Anders Indset is the world's leading business philosopher and the author of seven international bestsellers. With recent works such as The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI and Ex Machina – The God Experiment, his thought leadership has expanded far beyond economics and classical philosophy, earning him recognition from leading scientists and technologists, including prominent physicists. As the founder of tomorrowmensch, he invests in breakthrough science and technology and convenes leading thinkers, investors, and entrepreneurs who are shaping the future. NEW BOOK: The Quantum Economy https://andersindset.com/shop/The-Quantum-Economy-p803754261 Website: https://andersindset.com/ tomorrowmensch: https://tomorrowmensch.com/ LinkedIn (personal): https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersindset/ LinkedIn (tomorrowmensch): https://www.linkedin.com/company/tomorrowmensch/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andersindset X: http://x.com/andersindset

  4. Jun 22

    After The Quantum Revolution | Chiara Marletto

    What if some of the most important questions in physics are still waiting to be properly asked? In this episode of The Quantum Economy Podcast, Anders Indset speaks with Chiara Marletto, physicist at the University of Oxford and co-developer of Constructor Theory alongside David Deutsch. Constructor Theory is one of the most ambitious new frameworks in fundamental physics today, going beneath the laws of motion to ask a deeper question: what is possible, what is impossible and why. In this conversation, they explore: What Constructor Theory is and how it offers a new way to think about physical reality, from information and thermodynamics to the physics of life and the mindWhy time may be more fundamental and more difficult to explain than current physical theories suggestWhy physics is not only a technical discipline, but also a deeply creative act of imagination and explanationWhy both the education system and the funding system increasingly struggle with forms of knowledge creation that cannot easily be measured or categorizedWhy many of the most important research questions today do not fit existing institutional frameworks and therefore often remain underexploredWhy progress in science depends on creating environments where difficult and foundational questions can still be pursued This is a conversation about knowledge, creativity, physics, and the institutional structures that shape what kinds of questions society is willing to explore. Episode breakown: 00:00 - Introduction: Why Physics Needs a Revolution 02:37 - Constructor Theory Explained: A New Foundation for Physics 09:09 - Why Quantum Mechanics Can't Explain Information & Life 19:36 - Is Darwinian Evolution Just Physics? Reductionism Debate 30:47 - What Is Time Really? A Physicist's Surprising Answer 38:03 - Quantum Theory at 100: Why We've Stopped Making Progress 50:42 - The Physics of Consciousness & What AI Gets Wrong 1:01:18 - Why Science Funding Is Killing Fundamental Research About Chiara Marletto https://www.linkedin.com/in/chiara-marletto-1b2338227/ https://www.chiaramarletto.com/ https://www.constructortheory.org/ About Anders Indset Anders Indset is the world’s leading business philosopher and the author of seven international bestsellers. With recent works such as The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI and Ex Machina – The God Experiment, his thought leadership has expanded far beyond economics and classical philosophy – earning him recognition from leading scientists and technologists, including prominent physicists. As the founder of tomorrowmensch, he invests in breakthrough science and technologies and convenes leading thinkers, investors, and entrepreneurs shaping the future. NEW BOOK The Quantum Economy https://andersindset.com/shop/The-Quantum-Economy-p803754261 https://andersindset.com/ https://tomorrowmensch.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersindset/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/tomorrowmensch/ https://www.instagram.com/andersindset https://andersindset.substack.com/ http://x.com/andersindset

  5. May 4

    What Nobody Tells You About Qubit Count | Thomas Luschmann

    The quantum computing race is obsessed with one number: qubit count. But what if that’s simply not the right metric? In this episode, Anders Indset speaks with Thomas Luschmann, Co-Founder and COO of Peak Quantum — a Munich-based deep-tech startup that embeds error protection directly into the hardware architecture, rather than relying on costly error correction after the fact. In this conversation, they explore: Why more qubits alone will never deliver industrially useful quantum computing and what "better qubits" actually meansHow Peak Quantum's hardware-intrinsic approach compares to cat qubits, fluxonium, and topological qubitsWhat it really takes to turn world-class university research into a fundable deep-tech companyWhether Europe can build a sovereign quantum future or whether economic reality will force its best startups to look elsewhereWhat it means to build technology that may already be beyond our full understanding and what that tells us about where humanity is headedThomas also shares Peak Quantum's 12-month proof-of-concept roadmap and his honest take on deep-tech fundraising, talent, and the asymmetry of who gets access to the first truly powerful quantum machines. Whether you're interested in quantum hardware, European innovation, or the deeper questions at the edge of science and society, this conversation goes well beyond the qubit count. About Thomas Luschmann https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-luschmann/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/peak-quantum-computing/ https://peakquantum.de/ About Anders Indset Anders Indset is the world’s leading business philosophers and the author of seven international bestsellers. With recent works such as Ex Machina – The God Experiment and The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI, his thought leadership has expanded far beyond economics and classical philosophy – earning him recognition from leading scientists and technologists, including prominent physicists. As the founder of tomorrowmensch, he invests in breakthrough science and technologies and convenes leading thinkers, investors, and entrepreneurs shaping the future. NEW BOOK The Quantum Economy https://andersindset.com/shop/The-Quantum-Economy-p803754261 https://andersindset.com/ https://tomorrowmensch.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersindset/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/tomorrowmensch/ https://www.instagram.com/andersindset http://x.com/andersindset

  6. Apr 27

    Can We Now Engineer Nature Itself? | Michelle Simmons

    What if quantum computing allowed us to engineer nature at the atomic level? In this episode of The Quantum Economy Podcast, Anders Indset speaks with Professor Michelle Simmons, Founder & CEO of Silicon Quantum Computing and one of the world’s leading quantum materials scientists. For over 25 years, Simmons has pioneered a new approach to quantum computing, building systems atom by atom in silicon. This goes beyond faster computation. It opens the possibility to understand, simulate, and ultimately engineer nature itself. In this conversation, we explore: What it means to engineer nature at the atomic scaleThe race to build a fault-tolerant quantum computerWhy silicon-based, atom-level qubits could unlock scalabilityHow quantum systems allow us to simulate and recreate materials (“quantum twins”)The convergence of quantum computing and AIThe philosophical implications: Are we moving from observing nature  to designing it? Michelle shares insights into her company’s roadmap toward a million-qubit quantum computer by 2033, and how her team is already delivering early products that accelerate AI and solve real-world problems. Beyond technology, this episode explores the mindset behind innovation, where competition, collaboration, and curiosity come together to tackle some of the hardest challenges in science. Whether you're interested in quantum computing, artificial intelligence, deep tech, or the future of innovation, this conversation offers a rare inside look at one of the most advanced fields shaping our world. About Michelle Simmons https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-simmons-34662921a/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/silicon-quantum-computing-pty-ltd/ https://www.sqc.com.au/About Anders Indset Anders Indset is the world’s leading business philosophers and the author of seven international bestsellers. With recent works such as Ex Machina – The God Experiment and The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI, his thought leadership has expanded far beyond economics and classical philosophy – earning him recognition from leading scientists and technologists, including prominent physicists. As the founder of tomorrowmensch, he invests in breakthrough science and technologies and convenes leading thinkers, investors, and entrepreneurs shaping the future. NEW BOOK The Quantum Economy https://andersindset.com/shop/The-Quantum-Economy-p803754261 https://andersindset.com/ https://tomorrowmensch.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersindset/ https://www.instagram.com/andersindset http://x.com/andersindset

  7. Apr 20

    What If Europe’s Biggest Weakness Becomes Its Advantage? | Tommaso Calarco

    Europe is often seen as strong in science but weak in execution. In quantum technology, this is starting to change. In this episode of The Quantum Economy Podcast, Anders Indset speaks with Prof. Tommaso Calarco, Director at Forschungszentrum Jülich and one of the key figures behind Europe’s Quantum Flagship. They discuss the current state of quantum technology in Europe, the global race with the US and China, and how Europe is moving from research into real-world deployment. Quantum systems are being deployed and tested in public infrastructure, supercomputing platforms, and communication networks across Europe. This episode covers: The future of quantum computing and quantum infrastructure in EuropeEurope’s role in the global quantum technology raceThe challenge of venture capital, scale-up funding, and deep tech investmentDifferent approaches to quantum computing, including neutral atoms, semiconductors, and NV centersHow quantum communication infrastructure is being developedWhy quantum can strengthen European collaboration and technological sovereigntyThe conversation also explores broader questions: How quantum systems influence our understanding of information, probability, and decision-makingThe role of education, quantum engineering, and interdisciplinary skillsHow quantum technologies and AI influence society and governanceA grounded and forward-looking conversation on quantum and Europe’s position in the next wave of technology innovation. About Tommaso Calarco https://www.fz-juelich.de/en/research/research-fields/information/quantum-technology/tommaso-calarco https://qt.eu/ About Anders Indset Anders Indset is the world’s leading business philosophers and the author of seven international bestsellers. With recent works such as Ex Machina – The God Experiment and The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI, his thought leadership has expanded far beyond economics and classical philosophy – earning him recognition from leading scientists and technologists, including prominent physicists. As the founder of tomorrowmensch, he invests in breakthrough science and technologies and convenes leading thinkers, investors, and entrepreneurs shaping the future. NEW BOOK The Quantum Economy https://andersindset.com/shop/The-Quantum-Economy-p803754261https://andersindset.com/ https://tomorrowmensch.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersindset/ https://www.instagram.com/andersindset http://x.com/andersindset

  8. Mar 23

    What Comes After The Internet? | Noel Goddard

    Most of the attention in quantum goes to computing. But there is another layer and it’s already being built. Quantum networking is already being tested on real telecom infrastructure from New York to Deutsche Telekom’s network in Berlin. In this episode of The Quantum Economy Podcast, Anders Indset speaks with Noel Goddard, CEO of Qunnect, about how quantum is being built, tested, and run in real infrastructure. They discuss what quantum networks actually are, how they differ from today’s internet, and why security is emerging as the first practical use case. The conversation also explores the technical challenges of building quantum infrastructure, the realities behind the hype, and what it takes to turn deep-tech research into deployable hardware. Looking ahead, Noel outlines a longer-term vision: connecting quantum computers, sensors, and data centers — and building the foundation for a new layer of the internet. A grounded and forward-looking conversation on quantum, infrastructure, and the future of information systems. About Noel Goddard https://www.linkedin.com/in/noel-goddard-b973225/ About Anders Indset Anders Indset is the world’s leading business philosophers and the author of seven international bestsellers. With recent works such as Ex Machina – The God Experiment and The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI, his thought leadership has expanded far beyond economics and classical philosophy – earning him recognition from leading scientists and technologists, including prominent physicists. As the founder of tomorrowmensch, he invests in breakthrough science and technologies and convenes leading thinkers, investors, and entrepreneurs shaping the future. NEW BOOK The Quantum Economy https://andersindset.com/shop/The-Quantum-Economy-p803754261 https://andersindset.com/ https://tomorrowmensch.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersindset/ https://www.instagram.com/andersindset http://x.com/andersindset

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The Quantum Economy Podcast is a series of conversations with leaders across quantum science, business, philosophy, and emerging technologies. Each episode brings together diverse perspectives to examine how exponential technologies, especially quantum computing, artificial intelligence, and biotechnology, contribute to core systems of human organization, including economics, governance, and scientific progress.

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