The Breakout CEO

Jeff Holman, Fractional General Counsel for CEOs and Founders
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The Breakout CEO podcast brings you candid conversations with scaling CEOs at leadership & strategic inflection points. Each episode is a curated interview that explores the mindset, strategy, and pivotal decisions driving breakthrough success for high-growth companies ($5MM-$50MM+). Jeff Holman is the host of The Breakout CEO podcast and the founder of Intellectual Strategies, where he works closely with CEOs and leadership teams of scaling companies on strategy, governance, and risk during periods of rapid growth. Jeff has spent years inside the decision-making rooms of growth-stage companies, helping leaders navigate moments when complexity increases, tradeoffs become unavoidable, and the cost of misalignment rises. He brings a peer-level perspective shaped by that experience, focusing conversations on the inflection points that materially change a company’s trajectory. The Breakout CEO podcast reflects his approach with candid, operator-level discussions centered on real decisions rather than retrospective storytelling or promotion. Guest Participation - We feature a limited number of CEOs leading scaling companies with meaningful, first-hand breakout moments. If you believe your story would add value for an audience of scaling CEOs, please apply here: https://go.intellectualstrategies.com/ Media & Event Partnerships - For press access, on-site recording, or event collaboration inquiries, please contact us. We record a limited number of on-site conversations at select events with CEOs and founders whose stories align with the podcast’s focus on leadership, strategy, and execution.

  1. 3h ago

    91 - Why George Hartley Built Nitrosend Without a Dashboard

    Most founders spend years perfecting a dashboard. George Hartley — who built and sold SmartrMail (acquired by Relay Commerce in 2022) and co-founded Bluethumb, Australia's largest online art marketplace — is betting his third company on removing it entirely. Nitrosend runs from inside Claude, Cursor, or ChatGPT, with AI agents doing the majority of the work. In this episode, George walks through the decision to rebuild an email company from scratch with the same team, the acquisition deal that nearly collapsed under a stalled LOI, and why he now believes the addressable market for email isn't measured in people — it's measured in agents. George Hartley has spent over a decade building and scaling companies — Bluethumb, an online art marketplace he co-founded in 2012, and SmartrMail, an e-commerce email platform he built, grew, and sold to Relay Commerce in 2022. Both experiences shaped the decision behind his current company, Nitrosend: an agent-first email platform built for a world where AI agents, not humans, do most of the operating work. This conversation covers what it's like to reassemble a founding team for a third company, the tradeoffs between staying capital-efficient and being able to seize an opportunity, and why George now thinks about total addressable market in terms of AI agents rather than people. Key Takeaways A signed LOI doesn't guarantee a deal. George's SmartrMail acquisition was locked into an exclusive agreement for weeks before the buyer walked — a reminder that exclusivity protects the buyer's optionality, not the seller's certainty.Being too capital-efficient can cost you the upside. George names "well capitalized" as a top value for Nitrosend specifically because running lean in prior companies meant sometimes not having the resources to seize a real opportunity.Planning assumptions fail — build a workaround, not a delay. When Nitrosend's official AI-platform app store listing stalled, the team shipped an agent-onboarding skill instead of waiting on approval.Total addressable market may need to be recalculated around AI agents, not just people. George reframes Nitrosend's TAM from "half the internet" to potentially "a hundred billion agents" as autonomous agents begin operating businesses.A high failure rate on new ideas is normal, even for a repeat founder. George estimates roughly two-thirds of his own initiatives don't move the needle — the discipline is in testing quickly, not being right the first time. George Hartly is the founder of Nitrosend, an AI-native can find George and Nitrosend at https://nitrosend.com 00:00 The Hundred Billion Agent Market 01:29 Building a Game With AI 05:15 The Drive to Keep Creating 08:05 Turning Rejection Into Opportunity 12:46 Building Australia’s Largest Art Marketplace 16:55 Launching SmarterMail 19:01 Selling the SaaS Company 25:07 The Birth of NitroSend 29:58 Finding the Ideal Customers 32:51 Lessons From Previous Startups 44:13 Preparing for an Agentic Future 53:22 Practical Advice for Founders Guest: George Hartley Title: Founder, Nitrosend (also founder, SmartrMail — acquired by Relay Commerce, 2022; co-founder, Bluethumb) Company: Nitrosend Website: https://nitrosend.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gthartley/

  2. 4d ago

    90 - The 90-day Reset Framework Advisors Use to Get Stalled Companies to Version 2.0

    Most scaling companies don't fail because they stop trying — they fail because they keep doing more of what already isn't working. In this episode, Jeff Holman talks with Diane Moura, Founder & CEO of ZenChange Marketing, about what actually separates companies that break through a growth ceiling from those that stay stuck. Diane has spent decades working with Fortune 500 companies and now advises scaling businesses through a structured diagnostic reset — not more hustle, more headcount, or more tools, but a clear-eyed look at strategy, structure, and the people problems that quietly stall growth. She also unpacks how CEOs should think about personal branding as a scaling requirement, and where AI genuinely helps versus where it can quietly send a business down the wrong path. Episode Description Diane Moura built her advisory practice, ZenChange Marketing, after years working inside large, well-resourced corporate environments — an experience that gave her a front-row seat to how things operate at scale before she began applying those patterns to smaller, growing companies. Her perspective isn't theoretical: it comes from repeated engagements diagnosing why established or fast-growing businesses hit a wall, and from a specific reset methodology she uses to get them unstuck. This conversation focuses on the diagnostic lens Diane brings to scaling CEOs — how she distinguishes a "bad break" (stalled growth, aging strategy) from a "happy break" (growth outpacing capacity), why the real bottleneck is almost always people-related rather than technical, and how she thinks about AI as a tool that only works as well as the expertise behind it. Key Takeaways A stall in growth often isn't a strategy problem — it's a structure problem. When hiring outpaces process, companies can operate fine for a while, but eventually the gap between how the business runs and how it's organized becomes the actual constraint. The reset framework starts with strategy, not tactics. Diane's process revisits go-to-market, positioning, and competitive dynamics before touching execution — because doing more of the wrong tactics faster doesn't solve a strategic misalignment. Most transformation stalls are people problems, not process problems. Loyalty to long-tenured team members, unclear ownership of results, and internal politics derail resets far more often than the systems or SOPs themselves. Personal branding is now a scaling requirement, not an option. Leaders don't need to become mass influencers, but staying invisible has a real cost — clients and referral partners are increasingly evaluating leaders directly, not just their firms. AI is only as good as the expertise directing it. Diane's operating principle is that domain context — not the tool itself — determines whether AI output is genuinely useful or quietly wrong. Guest: Diane Moura Title: Founder & CEO, ZenChange Marketing Company: ZenChange Marketing Website: zenchange.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dianemoura

  3. 5d ago

    89 - The Three-Step Framework That Makes Hard Team Conversations Easier

    Most founders don't have a hiring problem — they have a decision problem. Operations advisor Lia Garvin has spent years inside teams at Microsoft, Apple, and Google, and now works directly with founders running businesses of three to fifty people, diagnosing why so many of them can't step back from the day-to-day. In this episode, she breaks down why founders keep absorbing decisions their team could make, and shares the three-step "sit-down" framework she uses to help leaders finally have the feedback conversations they've been avoiding. Lia Garvin built her career inside some of the most complex product teams in big tech — HoloLens at Microsoft, the redesigned iPhone lineup at Apple, YouTube Shorts at Google — always focused on the operational and interpersonal gaps nobody else was naming. Four and a half years ago, she left Google to bring that same diagnostic lens directly to founders and small business owners. Her perspective matters here because it's built on pattern recognition across dozens of engagements, not a single company's story: the same breakdowns in delegation, clarity, and hard conversations show up again and again, regardless of company size. In this conversation, she walks through how she diagnoses those breakdowns and the concrete framework she uses to fix them. Key Takeaways The real bottleneck isn't your team — it's you. Founders who can't replace themselves usually aren't missing better people; they're still making decisions that belong to someone else, which reinforces the exact dependency they're trying to escape.Team misalignment is more fixable than most founders assume. In Lia's experience, once expectations and context are actually documented, teams are far more capable and willing than founders expect — the issue is usually clarity, not commitment.Micromanagement is a timing problem, not a personality problem. It shows up when a founder either hands off work without setting parameters, or keeps intervening after the fact — not from a need for control itself.Avoided conversations are often the real root cause behind "team problems." When a fix doesn't land where a founder expected, it's frequently because a hard conversation was overdue, not because the original diagnosis was wrong.Tracking your own micro-decisions reveals how much you're actually holding onto. Lia's closing exercise — tallying every small decision a team member could have made instead — is a concrete first step toward identifying what to delegate immediately. 00:00 Founder Delegation Preview 00:22 Meet Lia Garvin 01:10 Big Tech Operations Lessons 03:45 Replacing Yourself as Founder 05:38 Delegating Without Micromanaging 08:27 Building an Ops Playbook 11:26 Creating Teamwide Clarity 14:53 Turning Vision Into Systems 16:54 Prioritizing Profitable Systems 18:50 The Sit-Down Framework 26:14 Offloading Daily Decisions 30:31 Keep the Monkey Off Guest website: https://www.liagarvin.com/Guest primary social: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liagarvin/

  4. 6d ago

    88 - Why Vision Beats Motivation When Scaling a Business

    What separates CEOs who build resilient companies from those who burn out chasing the next motivational boost? In this episode of The Breakout CEO Podcast, Jeff Holman sits down with entrepreneur, speaker, and leadership strategist Rael Bricker to explore why lasting business growth starts with vision—not motivation. Drawing from decades of experience leading businesses across engineering, education, venture capital, financial services, and executive advisory, Rael shares the practical leadership frameworks he uses to help CEOs create clarity, align their teams, and scale with confidence. You'll learn why optimism is more than positive thinking, how the GPS approach can transform strategic planning, and why the best leaders focus less on fixing weaknesses and more on amplifying strengths. Key Takeaways Why motivation fades—but optimism can become a repeatable leadership strategy.The "GPS" framework for helping teams move forward instead of dwelling on the past.How to create a compelling vision that employees can understand and execute.Why CEOs should build around strengths instead of obsessing over weaknesses.The delegation mindset shift that transformed Rael's own business.How mentors help CEOs see what they can't see themselves.Practical ways to move from being trapped in day-to-day operations to leading strategically. About The Advisor Rael Bricker is an entrepreneur, Certified Speaking Professional (CSP), and founder of The Excellence Project. Over the course of his career, he has built businesses across education, venture capital, and financial services, including a mortgage business that has facilitated more than $3.5 billion in lending. Today, Rael works with CEOs and leadership teams to improve strategy, communication, and organizational alignment through practical frameworks like the RISE Model and the Business Excellence Indicator. The Excellence Project https://www.raelbricker.com/Rael Bricker on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/rael-brickerFree digital copy of Rael's book Leadership assessments RISE Leadership Matrix available at: https://www.raelbricker.com/

  5. Aug 18

    87 - The Strategic Altitude Every Scaling CEO Needs

    As companies grow, the CEO's role must evolve. Yet many founders stay trapped in the day-to-day, becoming the very bottleneck that limits their company's growth. In this Advisor Insights episode, Jeff Holman sits down with Logan McKnight, Founder and Principal Consultant at GoodKnight Consulting, to explore what it takes for leaders to gain "strategic altitude." Drawing on his experience as both a healthcare CEO and executive advisor, Logan shares practical frameworks that help CEOs transition from operator to strategic leader. The conversation explores how to delegate ownership without losing accountability, why documentation creates clarity instead of bureaucracy, how culture is reinforced through leadership behavior, and the signals that indicate a founder may need to evolve—or bring in additional executive leadership—as the business scales. Whether you're leading a fast-growing company or preparing for your next stage of growth, this episode offers actionable insights for building a leadership team that can scale with the business. Key Takeaways Why scaling CEOs must move from operator to strategic leader.The "Strategic Altitude" framework for leading with greater clarity.The difference between delegation and true ownership.How the Owned • Informed • Approved framework creates accountability.Why documenting roles and expectations reduces organizational friction.How CEOs shape culture through consistent behavior—not slogans.Practical ways to identify when leadership responsibilities should evolve as the company grows.Why honest outside perspective is critical for effective CEO decision-making. About the Advisor Logan McKnight is the Founder and Principal Consultant at GoodKnight Consulting. After serving as CEO of a rapidly growing healthcare organization, he now works with founders and executive teams to help them scale leadership, strengthen accountability, and build organizations that can grow beyond the founder. His advisory work focuses on executive alignment, organizational design, leadership development, and helping CEOs gain the strategic perspective needed to lead through growth. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/loganmcknight/

  6. Aug 13

    86 - The Pivot This Founder Made After an Investor Called It Impossible

    Every scaling e-commerce business eventually collides with the same silent problem: customers who don't get what they ordered, when they were promised it. Jevon Le Roux, CEO and co-founder of Keeyu, lived that problem firsthand before building a company to solve it — and along the way, a well-known investor told him it couldn't be done. In this episode, Jevon breaks down why customer service has been built backwards for twenty years — reactive instead of preventive — and what it actually took to pivot his company's entire product, burn through almost all of its cash, and keep raising with five thousand dollars left in the bank. Jevon Le Roux isn't a typical software CEO. Before co-founding Keeyu, he built and exited a business, became a professional surfer, and later earned an executive MBA at HEC Paris — all without finishing high school. That unconventional path shaped how he approaches problems: get to the root cause, then build the plan. At Keeyu, Jevon and his co-founders are tackling the "where is my order" (WISMO) problem that quietly costs e-commerce businesses billions in lost revenue every year. His firsthand experience running e-commerce operations — including a crisis where a thousand customers ordered products that didn't exist in the warehouse — convinced him the industry's approach to customer service was solving the wrong problem. This episode traces the pressure, doubt, and near-failure behind that conviction, and the decision to keep building when it would have been easier to stop. Key Takeaways Believing a problem is real matters more than believing your first solution is right. Jevon's team built a "vitamin" before they built a "painkiller" — and had to rebuild multiple times before the product matched the pain.Skepticism from experienced voices isn't a signal to stop — it can be the reason to keep going. When a well-known e-commerce investor called the WISMO problem impossible to fix, that became the founding team's reason to fix it.Reactive customer service can't prevent the problems it's built to handle. A help desk, like a hospital ER, can only triage after something's already gone wrong — the real opportunity is preventing the failure upstream.Running low on money tests belief in the problem, not just the business. Keeyu's founders kept raising — and kept building — with roughly five thousand dollars left in the bank.Creating a new category means selling the story before the market has a name for it. Convincing buyers, users, and economic decision-makers all requires a different pitch for each. 00:00 The $213B e-commerce problem 00:14 Meet Jevon Le Roux of KEEYU 03:02 Why late orders silently lose customers 05:34 Solving an “impossible” problem 08:36 The customer crisis that sparked KEEYU 12:35 From internal tool to startup 15:47 Early product lessons and pivots 18:11 Turning detection into automation 23:15 Reinventing customer support 31:23 Building through failure and near-zero cash 36:07 Fundraising, traction, and resilience 45:07 Advice for founders and CEOs About the Guest:Jevon Le Roux is the founder of Keeyu, an Ecommerce Operations company. You can find Jevon at https://keeyu.com

  7. Aug 11

    85 - The CEO Who Set Out to Change Policing Without Using More Force

    What happens when someone reaches the top of the financial world—only to realize success isn't enough? In this episode of The Breakout CEO Podcast, Jeff Holman sits down with Scot Cohen, CEO of WRAP, to explore the deeply personal journey that led him from a successful career in finance to building a company focused on reducing harm in public safety. Scot shares why he walked away from Wall Street, the leadership lessons he learned after losing sight of his purpose, and how listening to customers—not assumptions—reshaped WRAP's strategy. He explains why training, culture, and evidence matter more than technology alone, and why the best CEOs are willing to challenge their own beliefs when the data tells a different story. Whether you're leading a high-growth company or navigating your own inflection point, this conversation is a masterclass in purpose-driven leadership and making difficult decisions that create lasting impact. In This Episode Why financial success didn't bring fulfillment The decision to leave Wall Street and build WRAP The leadership challenges of scaling a mission-driven company How customer feedback transformed WRAP's strategy Why training and culture outperform technology alone Leading with purpose instead of ego Building trust in one of the world's most scrutinized industries What CEOs can learn about making better decisions under pressure About Scot Cohen Scot Cohen is the CEO of WRAP, a public safety technology company focused on equipping law enforcement and first responders with tools and training designed to reduce injury and save lives. After a successful career in finance, Scot shifted his focus to building mission-driven technology that emphasizes better outcomes through innovation, training, and leadership. Connect with Scot Cohen LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scot-cohen-643181375/ Company: https://wrap.com

  8. Aug 6

    84 - The CEO Playbook for Building Trust Before You Build Demand

    What separates companies that become market leaders from those that remain just another product? In this episode of The Breakout CEO Podcast, Jeff Holman sits down with Romney Williams, entrepreneur, inventor, and CEO of DRYOUT, to explore the leadership decisions behind building a category-defining business. Drawing from decades of experience launching companies, protecting intellectual property, and partnering with global brands, Romney shares why breakthrough growth isn't driven by better marketing—it's built on trust, credibility, and solving the right customer problem. From discovering an unexpected business model through customer conversations to building competitive moats beyond patents, Romney offers a candid look at the realities of scaling a company while making high-stakes decisions with imperfect information. Whether you're leading a startup or scaling an established business, this episode is packed with practical lessons on innovation, resilience, and long-term value creation. Key TakeawaysWhy trust often becomes a company's greatest competitive advantageHow listening to customers uncovered an entirely new business modelThe difference between protecting innovation and building a lasting brandHow successful CEOs make decisions despite uncertaintyWhy intellectual property alone isn't enough to sustain growthLessons from building partnerships instead of simply selling productsHow lifelong learning improves executive decision-makingWhy founders should embrace uncertainty instead of waiting for perfect clarity 00:00 Finding Joy in the Building Journey 01:17 Romney’s Career Thread Across Four Companies 03:16 From Digital Cameras to Industry Disruption 07:15 Why Founders Need Trusted Leadership Partners 12:43 Celebrating Milestones While Scaling a Business 14:15 Finding DryOut and Partnering With Its Founder 16:21 How Intellectual Property Creates an Unfair Advantage 19:08 The Accidental Invention Behind DryOut 22:09 Building the Gore-Tex of Moisture Removal 29:10 Evolving From Consumer Brand to Ingredient Brand 36:45 The Board Meeting That Changed DryOut’s Direction 59:16 Scaling Through Brand Partners and Military Applications About Romney WilliamsRomney Williams is the CEO of DRYOUT, an innovation company focused on moisture removal technologies. Throughout his entrepreneurial career, he has founded and scaled multiple businesses, developed extensive intellectual property, and built strategic partnerships with leading brands. His work centers on transforming breakthrough innovations into scalable commercial platforms by combining product development, trust, and long-term strategic thinking. Connect with Romney LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/romneyw

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The Breakout CEO podcast brings you candid conversations with scaling CEOs at leadership & strategic inflection points. Each episode is a curated interview that explores the mindset, strategy, and pivotal decisions driving breakthrough success for high-growth companies ($5MM-$50MM+). Jeff Holman is the host of The Breakout CEO podcast and the founder of Intellectual Strategies, where he works closely with CEOs and leadership teams of scaling companies on strategy, governance, and risk during periods of rapid growth. Jeff has spent years inside the decision-making rooms of growth-stage companies, helping leaders navigate moments when complexity increases, tradeoffs become unavoidable, and the cost of misalignment rises. He brings a peer-level perspective shaped by that experience, focusing conversations on the inflection points that materially change a company’s trajectory. The Breakout CEO podcast reflects his approach with candid, operator-level discussions centered on real decisions rather than retrospective storytelling or promotion. Guest Participation - We feature a limited number of CEOs leading scaling companies with meaningful, first-hand breakout moments. If you believe your story would add value for an audience of scaling CEOs, please apply here: https://go.intellectualstrategies.com/ Media & Event Partnerships - For press access, on-site recording, or event collaboration inquiries, please contact us. We record a limited number of on-site conversations at select events with CEOs and founders whose stories align with the podcast’s focus on leadership, strategy, and execution.

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  • Creator
    Jeff Holman, Fractional General Counsel for CEOs and Founders
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    91
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    © Copyright 2026 Intellectual Strategies
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