This Way Up South Africa

Terry Shakinovsky & Babette Gallard

Welcome to This Way Up — the podcast that shines a light on South Africa’s changemakers. Each episode, we bring you powerful stories from individuals driving social and cultural transformation through bold, innovative projects. Join us for inspiring conversations about passion, purpose, and the people reshaping our future.

  1. Jul 1

    We Are Who We’ve Been Waiting For: Nomsa Mazwai and Community Development South Africa

    In this episode, we talk to Nomsa Mazwai, an economist, musician, social entrepreneur and Fulbright scholar whose work offers a distinctive perspective on community development South Africa. From pioneering Soweto Night Out, an innovative tourism initiative designed to create safer public spaces while generating local economic opportunities, to developing new social enterprise ideas and recording music inspired by her own journey, Nomsa combines intellectual rigour with a deep commitment to service. Nomsa's work crosses boundaries between economics, creativity and community action. Rather than treating unemployment, safety and inequality as separate problems, she is interested in how ideas can create practical opportunities for people while strengthening the places in which they live. One example is Soweto Night Out, an initiative that reimagines how people experience Soweto after dark. The idea connects tourism with local economic activity and safer public spaces, demonstrating how social entrepreneurship can address several needs at once. Visitors gain a different experience of Soweto while local communities have the opportunity to benefit economically. In our conversation, Nomsa talks candidly about entrepreneurship and what it takes to keep developing ideas when success is far from guaranteed. We discuss unemployment in South Africa, innovation, leadership and the challenge of turning ambitious concepts into sustainable projects. For Nomsa, community development South Africa needs cannot be separated from economic opportunity. People need more than encouragement: they need ways to participate, earn, create and build. Her approach is rooted in finding practical connections between individual initiative and wider social change. We also explore the personal side of that work. Nomsa reflects on resilience, faith and mental health, and on the determination required to continue creating when circumstances become difficult. Her music provides another form of expression, allowing her to explore experiences and ideas that do not necessarily fit within the language of economics or entrepreneurship. The conversation moves between the personal and the political, from creative expression and purpose to women's safety, community projects and the economic pressures facing many South Africans. Nomsa is particularly interested in solutions that recognise the strengths already present within communities rather than assuming change must always come from outside. Her work also raises wider questions about social impact. What makes an idea genuinely useful? How do you create opportunities that benefit more than one person? And how can innovation help communities respond to problems that may otherwise seem too large or entrenched to change? Community development in South Africa requires imagination as well as persistence. Nomsa's journey shows both: a willingness to think differently about familiar problems and the resilience to keep working when an idea encounters obstacles. This is a conversation about entrepreneurship, community, women's safety, social change, creativity and the determination to keep building solutions even when the challenges appear impossible.

    We Are Who We’ve Been Waiting For: Nomsa Mazwai and Community Development South Africa
  2. Jul 1

    Noelene Kotschan and PinkDrive: Changing Cancer Screening in South Africa

    Noelene Kotschan is the founder and CEO of PinkDrive, a pioneering organisation changing cancer screening in South Africa by taking vital health services directly to communities. What began as a response to the devastating impact of breast cancer has grown into a nationwide effort to make early detection accessible to people who might otherwise struggle to reach screening services. PinkDrive's mobile health units travel across South Africa, bringing cancer screening and health education closer to the people who need them. In our conversation, Noelene talks about the realities of cancer in South Africa and why early detection can make such an enormous difference. She explains how PinkDrive works, the challenges of reaching underserved communities and why taking screening services directly to people can remove some of the barriers that prevent cancers being detected early. But this is also the story of how one person's determination can grow into something much bigger. Noelene talks candidly about building PinkDrive, finding the support needed to keep it moving and the persistence required to turn an idea into an organisation capable of creating real social impact. We also explore the wider inequalities surrounding healthcare in South Africa. Where you live, what you earn and whether you can easily reach a health facility can all affect access to screening. PinkDrive's approach is deliberately practical: instead of waiting for people to find the service, the service goes to them. The conversation ranges from breast cancer and cancer screening to community health, early detection and the extraordinary amount of work that goes on behind the scenes to keep mobile health services on the road. Noelene also reflects on what she has learned from the people and communities PinkDrive has encountered along the way. This is a conversation about cancer South Africa cannot afford to ignore, but it is also about solutions: what becomes possible when healthcare is taken beyond conventional facilities and directly into communities. Noelene's story demonstrates how an ambitious idea can become practical action, and how persistence, partnerships and community engagement can help make potentially life-saving services accessible to more South Africans.

    Noelene Kotschan and PinkDrive: Changing Cancer Screening in South Africa

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Welcome to This Way Up — the podcast that shines a light on South Africa’s changemakers. Each episode, we bring you powerful stories from individuals driving social and cultural transformation through bold, innovative projects. Join us for inspiring conversations about passion, purpose, and the people reshaping our future.

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