Gilmore & Green: Where Healing and Hope Meet

Dr. Debi Gilmore & Sharilyn Green
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Do you sometimes feel lost in your relationships, your identity, or even your spirituality? We are marriage and family therapists and relationship experts who care deeply about helping you grow, strengthen your relationships, and deepen your sense of meaning and spirituality. We share from our clinical experience, years of training and solid research, including ideas about how to strengthen the things that matter the most in life. Our hope is to share simple, meaningful ideas that support you in your healing and in your growth. Welcome to Gilmore and Green, where Healing and Hope meet.     

  1. Sep 28

    Step-parenting & Step-Grandparenting: Overcome Loyalty Binds & Create New Bonds

    Connect with us on Instagram @Gilmoreandgreen and find all of our resources at www.gilmoreandgreen.com Step-parenting and step-grandparenting can be tender, complicated, and sometimes unexpectedly painful. You may enter a blended family with the best of intentions, ready to love well, only to find yourself feeling like you are standing outside the family circle. In this episode of Gilmore & Green, Debi and Sharilyn tackle a listener-requested topic that affects so many but is rarely discussed with enough compassion: the emotional tightrope of blended families. They break down why these relationships are so emotionally complex, exploring the grief, loss, and "loyalty binds" that children and adult children navigate. With practical advice and gentle scripts, they explain why connection must always precede authority and how taking the "long view" can turn a fragile, awkward dynamic into deep, earned belonging. Key Takeaways The Reality of Loyalty Binds: When children act distant or reject affection, it is rarely personal. Often, they are caught in a loyalty bind, fearing that loving a step-parent or step-grandparent means betraying their biological family. Connection Before Authority: In blended families, attachment security takes time and cannot be forced. The early work of a step-parent is not to become the disciplinarian, but to become the safe, steady, and trustworthy presence. The Step-Grandparenting Challenge: Step-grandparents often have to navigate not just the children, but the protective boundaries of the parents. Easing in as "new friends" and finding unique nicknames (like Nana or Gigi) can alleviate the ache of comparison. Taking the "Long View": Step-family bonds grow through consistency rather than intensity. Relationships that feel awkward in year one can become deeply meaningful by year five if adults remain patient, grounded, and emotionally generous. What to Say (and What to Avoid) Debi and Sharilyn share practical, gentle scripts to help navigate tender conversations in blended families, as well as common phrases that create unnecessary distance. Try Saying: To a child: "I want you to know I'm not here to replace anybody. I care about you, and we can take our time getting to know each other." To an adult child: "I know family changes can be tender. I want to respect the relationships that were here before me, and I also hope over time we can find our own way of connecting." To a spouse: "I need you to understand that sometimes I feel outside of the family circle. I'm not asking you to force anything, but it would mean so much to me that you see me and that my place matters, too." Avoid Saying: "After all I've done for you..." "You should treat me like your real parent." "If you loved me, you would include me." This Week's "Therefore, What?" Sharilyn’s Takeaway: To become a more compassionate advocate for families navigating this process, replacing judgment from the outside with deep respect for the effort it takes to blend a family. Debi’s Takeaway: To consistently focus on extending invitations rather than making demands, allowing time and patience to build the ultimate treasure of a claimed, connected family circle.

  2. Sep 14

    PART 2 | The Woman in the In-Between: Navigating Your 50s & 60s

    Check out our website with courses, blogs, resources, and more! www.gilmoreandgreen.com Welcome back to part two of Debi and Sharilyn’s conversation on navigating the profound transitions of your 50s and 60s. In this episode, the focus shifts from external expectations to internal acceptance, exploring how to make peace with our changing bodies and evolving relationships during the empty-nester years. Key Takeaways Your Body is a Partner, Not a Project: Gently retrain your mind to see your body as a loyal partner that has carried you through every season of life, rather than a lifelong project under constant construction. Dress for Today: Discomfort often lingers because we try to fit into old sizes, styles, or expectations. Choose clothing that honors your current shape so you can comfortably focus on the world around you. Movement for Connection, Not Correction: Shift from moving your body as a form of punishment or "fixing" to moving for connection. Focus on supportive movements, stretching, and slowing down to appreciate the daily miracles of mobility. Ambiguous Grief is Real: It is entirely normal to grieve the busy years that are behind you, the version of yourself who was constantly needed, or the dreams that didn't unfold as planned. Let yourself acknowledge that the shift is hard. Navigating Relationship Shifts: The empty-nester phase is a new developmental stage in a marriage. Stripped of the distractions of raising children, it requires intentional curiosity to rediscover who you and your partner are becoming. A New Kind of Strength: Strength in this season looks less like holding everything together for everyone else, and more like listening to your own needs, allowing yourself to be supported, and saying no without guilt. Questions to Ponder What has my body carried me through until now? What kind of movement would feel kind to my body today? What am I ready to release about how I "should" look? What do I not know about my partner anymore that I want to remember? The "Therefore, What?" Debi: Looking outward to act as a grounded mentor for others and intentionally offering genuine, spontaneous compliments. Sharilyn: Prioritizing true self-care, honoring her own needs, and leaning into the quiet confidence of coming home to herself.

  3. Sep 2

    The Woman in the In-Between: Navigating Your 50s & 60s

    The Woman in the In-Between: Navigating Your 50s & 60s (Part 1) If you are in your 50s or 60s and quietly wondering why this season feels harder than expected, you aren't alone. In Part One of this two-part series, marriage and family therapists Debi and Sharilyn explore the silent but profound transitions women face during this era. From the ambiguous grief of an emptying home and retirement shifts to the physical changes of aging, this episode unpacks how to navigate these uncharted waters. Learn how to shift from "achievement to alignment," create gentle rhythms for your nervous system, and rediscover who you are—not by fading, but by becoming. Key Takeaways The Quiet Transition: Why the shift in family roles and empty-nesting triggers a deep, often unrecognized sense of ambiguous grief. Achievement to Alignment: How to redefine your purpose through small, incremental steps rather than grand career or family milestones. Gentle Rhythms: Replacing rigid schedules with daily anchors (like walking, learning, or connecting) to support a transitioning nervous system. Intentional Connection: Practical ways to initiate friendships and share your life's wisdom without overextending your boundaries. Body Compassion: Retraining your mind to see your changing, aging body as a lifelong partner rather than a project to fix. Episode Highlights 00:00 Intro 01:00 Welcome to Gilmore Green 01:50 Empty Nest Identity Shift 02:47 Retirement Redefines Life 05:13 Slow Down and Notice 06:46 Purpose Through Alignment 09:03 Revisit What You Missed 11:08 Gentle Rhythms and Structure 14:32 Prioritize Connection 17:30 Give Without Losing You 19:33 Let Meaning Unfold 22:05 Your Changing Body 25:17 Part Two Teaser Connect with us, and check out our blogs, courses, and resources! www.gilmoreandgreen.com Note: Tune in for Part Two on September 14th, where Gilmore & Green will dive deeper into self-love and navigating marriage changes during this season. Questions we ask in this episode for you to ponder: Core Identity & Awareness "Who am I now?" "When did I feel most like myself today?" (Also asked as: "Where do I feel most like myself again?") "What gave me a small sense of energy and peace?" "What is it like to just sit with me?" Rediscovery & Curiosity "What part of me have I missed that I may be able to start resurrecting now or finding again?" "What am I curious about?" "What do I want to learn more about?" Purpose & Connection "Where can I give that also feels like giving to me, life-giving to me?" "What has brought me even small moments of meaning lately?" "What happened today that did feel meaningful?" "What part of me is asking for attention right now?" "What is one small step I could take this week towards something that matters to me?" Body Compassion "What is it like to live in my body?" "Where did my body support me today?"

  4. Aug 17

    How to be a Safe Person | Create Emotional Safety in Relationships

    Do you sometimes feel left out in your relationships or find that people hesitate to open up to you? In this episode of Gilmore & Green, Dr. Debi Gilmore and Sharilyn explore the profound, yet often misunderstood, gift of emotional safety. When someone brings us their pain, our natural human instinct is often to fix the problem, offer a distraction, or even get defensive. But what if the most powerful thing we can do is simply sit with them in the storm? Debi and Sharilyn break down the everyday habits that accidentally shut down vulnerability and share actionable principles to help you become a true "safe haven" for the people you love. In This Episode, We Cover: The Danger of Defensiveness: Why jumping to explain your own actions instantly swats away someone else's vulnerability. The "Fix-It" Trap: Why trying to rescue someone from their pain usually makes them feel unseen, and what to do instead. Listening to Understand: How to stop formulating your comeback and start truly holding space for another person's experience. The Power of Pausing: Why steadying your own emotions and regulating yourself is the first step to being approachable. Holding Confidences: The crucial role of keeping secrets and treating vulnerability as sacred information. Memorable Quotes: "If someone brings something hard to us, and instead of listening to understand, we instantly say, 'Well, let me explain to you why I said that or did that,' instantly we're swatting it away. That defensiveness is so unsafe." "It's not to fix it. It's to address the pain... If I can sit with you in your pain, you most likely won't have to visit it later." Your "Therefore, What?" (Action Step): Take time this week to do a humble self-assessment. Are you a safe person? Practice slowing down. The next time someone brings you a difficult emotion, resist the urge to interrupt or fix it. Instead, pause and encourage them by saying, "Hold on. Don't move on. I really want to know more about what that was like for you." Connect with us, and check out our blogs, courses, and resources! www.gilmoreandgreen.com

  5. Aug 3

    Am I Spiritual Enough? Overcoming Faith Comparison

    Have you ever secretly wondered, "Am I spiritual enough?" If you find yourself comparing your faith to others, worrying that your prayers are hitting the ceiling, or keeping score of your religious habits, you are not alone. In this episode of Gilmore & Green, Debi and Sharilyn tackle the delicate and often unspoken fear of falling short in our spiritual lives. Blending proven therapeutic principles with deep spiritual truths, they explore why measuring our worth by our perceived level of faith is so damaging. This conversation shifts the focus from performance-based religion to genuine spiritual connection, highlighting how quiet moments, simple acts of kindness, and even deep periods of doubt can be evidence of God's work in our lives. Discover why grace is the ultimate antidote to shame, and learn how to reframe your brokenness as the exact place where deep spiritual connection begins. Key Takeaways The Danger of Spiritual Comparison: Why measuring your faith against someone else's highlight reel is an unreliable and damaging metric. Redefining Spiritual Connection: Moving away from a "ledger" of keeping score (praying or reading "enough") to evaluating how we connect with and bring healing to others. Grace vs. Shame: Understanding how perfectionism breeds shame, while embracing God’s grace allows for immediate connection and relief. Lessons in Doubt: A look at how spiritual giants like Mother Teresa and figures from the Bible wrestled with intense doubt and fear without losing their immense value. The Power of Brokenness: How to stop viewing challenges and brokenness as disqualifiers for God's love, and start seeing them as the very soil where faith grows. One Small Step: Actionable advice on how to stop overcomplicating your spiritual journey and simply turn toward God today. Notable Quotes "We don't see the prayers that someone has prayed through their own tears. We don't see the doubts people have wrestled with... We simply see the parts they choose to share." "Sometimes we mistake emotional intensity for spiritual closeness... If we don't constantly feel inspired or peaceful, then something must be wrong with us. We start making dangerous assumptions." "God loves broken things. Sometimes we assume our brokenness disqualifies us... Instead, scripture repeatedly shows that brokenness often becomes the very place where we can encounter God's presence most deeply." Resources Mentioned Come Be My Light by Mother Teresa – A powerful collection of private letters detailing her decade-long wrestling with doubt and the feeling of God's absence. Don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe to stay updated on future episodes! www.gilmoreandgreen.com Check out all of our resources and courses at gilmoreandgreen.com

  6. Jul 20

    Healthy Patriotism: Becoming Peacemakers in a Divided World

    Episode Summary In this special post-Independence Day episode, Dr. Debi Gilmore and Sharilyn Green explore the complex emotions that often accompany national holidays. As Marriage and Family Therapists, they look at patriotism through the lens of relationships, gratitude, freedom, and responsibility. They discuss how loving your country doesn't require ignoring its flaws, why true societal strength begins at the family dinner table, and how we can all become better peacemakers in a noisy world. Key Highlights & Takeaways The True Meaning of Patriotism: Loving your country is similar to loving a person. It doesn't mean pretending mistakes have never been made; it means staying committed while actively working toward something better. Freedom Requires Responsibility: Freedom is not just something to be enjoyed—it is a gift that must be cared for, protected, and balanced with respect for others. Patriotism Begins at Home: Learning to respect others, discussing relevant issues, and understanding patriotism should start early at the family dinner table. When we strengthen our families, we inherently strengthen our communities and our nation. The Art of Compassionate Listening: We do not have to agree with everyone, but we must learn to listen to understand rather than to persuade. Simply saying, "Help me understand," or "That’s interesting that you see it that way," can instantly create safety and peace in a conversation. Gratitude for Sacrifice: A core component of healthy patriotism is remaining humble and deeply grateful for the sacrifices made by the military, first responders, public servants, teachers, and everyday citizens who quietly strengthen our communities. Patriotism vs. Nationalism Dr. Gilmore and Sharilyn highlight a critical distinction between these two concepts: Patriotism - "I love my country.” Fosters gratitude and responsibility. Honors the dignity and worth of people everywhere. Nationalism - "My country is superior." Breeds entitlement. Often devalues others and views outside groups as less valuable. Questions for Personal Reflection Take a moment to slow down and ask yourself these questions mentioned in today's episode: How can I strengthen freedom in my own corner of the world? How can I listen more compassionately to those I disagree with? How can I speak more respectfully to preserve dignity? How can I become a better peacemaker today? Checkout ALL of our resources at www.gilmoreandgreen.com

  7. Jul 6

    How to Cope with Life Changes and Transitions

    Check out our website for more resources! www.gilmoreandgreen.com Do you hate unexpected change? Even positive life events—like a new job, a move, or a graduation—can leave us feeling destabilized, grieving, and anxious. In this episode of Gilmore & Green, Dr. Debi Gilmore and Sharilyn Green dive into the deep emotional undercurrents of life transitions. They explore how change touches our fundamental need for connection, exposing our deepest attachment styles. Join Debi and Sharilyn as they break down the critical difference between change (external events) and transition (internal reorganization). They offer practical, science-backed insights on how to build a "secure base," embrace the discomfort of the "messy middle," and use daily rituals to ground your nervous system. Whether you are facing an empty nest, a career pivot, or the loss of a loved one, this episode will equip you with the courage and self-compassion to navigate the unknown. Key Takeaways Change vs. Transition: Understand why external changes (selling a house, retiring) require a profound internal transition and identity reorganization. The Attachment Alarm System: Learn how life transitions trigger our attachment styles (anxious, avoidant, or secure) and why our nervous systems crave certainty. Finding Your "Secure Base": Discover how identifying anchors—whether a supportive person, a daily rhythm, or a spiritual practice—can help you process uncertainty without falling apart. The Messy Middle: Why the highly uncomfortable "growth zone" between an ending and a new beginning is a sacred space for inner renewal. The Power of Rituals: Practical ways to mark endings and beginnings, helping your brain gracefully release what was and carry forward what matters. Memorable Quotes "Change is what happens around us... but transitions, those are what happen inside of us when these external changes occur." – Dr. Debi Gilmore "The goal of transition isn't to cut off from the past. It's actually to carry things forward... while releasing what no longer fits." – Sharilyn Green Questions for Personal Reflection (The "Therefore, What?") What is this current transition stirring up inside of me? Who or what is my "secure base" right now? What values, wisdom, or relationships am I carrying forward? What expectations, roles, or fears am I ready to release? 00:00 Why Change Feels Hard 00:58 Meet Gilmore Green 03:06 Change Versus Transition 04:53 Endings And Grief 06:44 Attachment Alarm System 09:44 Attachment Styles In Transition 11:50 Secure Base Anchors 13:58 Growth Zone Mindset 16:05 The Messy Middle 21:31 Transitions Affect Relationships 24:01 Earned Security Practices 27:56 Rituals For Stability 30:02 Carry Forward Release Bless 34:15 Therefore What Takeaways 36:40 Closing Thanks

  8. Jun 22

    How to Support a Loved One with Addiction or Mental Illness Without Losing Yourself

    What does it mean to support a loved one suffering from mental illness or addiction without losing yourself in the process? If you are quietly carrying the heavy burden of caring for someone in deep struggle, this episode is designed to be a gentle place to land. Today, Dr. Debi Gilmore and Sharilyn Green focus entirely on you—the caregiver, the parent, the spouse, or the friend. They tenderly explore the subtle line between compassion and codependency, how to set boundaries that are rooted in true love, and how to release the misplaced shame that so many loved ones carry. You are not alone, and it is possible to stay connected to the one you love while also staying connected to yourself. Key Takeaways Compassion vs. Codependency: Codependency is not a failure to love; it is love without structure. What begins as a pure desire to help ("I want to relieve their pain") can subtly shift into unhealthy over-functioning ("It is my responsibility to fix it"). The Courage of Boundaries: Boundaries are often misunderstood as punishments, but they are actually clarity and love. A healthy boundary communicates: "I care deeply about you, but I cannot participate in a pattern that harms us both." While setting them often triggers short-term protests, blame, or withdrawal, they are essential to stop the cycle of enabling. Releasing Misplaced Shame: Parents and loved ones often fall into the agonizing trap of self-blame, asking, "What did I do wrong?" This misplaced shame only fuels the desire to over-manage, which inadvertently shields the struggling individual from the reality and space they need to grow. Pillars of Support: You were never meant to carry this burden alone. Seeking education about the illness/addiction, leaning on professional therapy or support groups, and relying on your faith or spirituality are vital pillars for sustaining your own well-being. Notable Quotes "Codependency is not a failure to love. It is actually love. It's based on love without structure, and sustainable love needs both compassion and solid, healthy boundaries." "I will stand with you while you face this... I love you without becoming you. I can care deeply without carrying what isn't mine to carry." Questions for Personal Reflection Where have I been carrying something that isn't mine to carry? Is my nervous system organized around my own stability, or around scanning for and preventing my loved one's next cycle? Am I unintentionally rescuing my loved one from the very experiences that could lead to their growth and change? Join the Conversation: Thank you for spending this time with us. If you found this episode helpful, please share it and follow the podcast. Send us your ideas for future topics you'd like us to cover. www.gilmoreandgreen.com 00:00 Loving Without Losing Yourself 00:48 Meet Gilmore and Green 01:27 Caregiver Seen and Supported 04:15 Compassion vs Codependency 05:22 How Codependency Takes Hold 09:06 Shift Toward Healthy Love 09:49 Boundaries and the Backlash 12:12 Misplaced Shame in Parents 15:12 Release Control and Keep Love 16:12 Faith and Recovery Pillars 18:39 Therefore What and Closing

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Do you sometimes feel lost in your relationships, your identity, or even your spirituality? We are marriage and family therapists and relationship experts who care deeply about helping you grow, strengthen your relationships, and deepen your sense of meaning and spirituality. We share from our clinical experience, years of training and solid research, including ideas about how to strengthen the things that matter the most in life. Our hope is to share simple, meaningful ideas that support you in your healing and in your growth. Welcome to Gilmore and Green, where Healing and Hope meet.     

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