Chasing the Game - Youth Soccer in America

Liron Unreich, Matt Tartaglia
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Chasing the Game: Youth Soccer in America is a weekly podcast for soccer parents, coaches, and players who want to understand how youth soccer development really works in the United States. Hosted by two dads, filmmaker Liron Unreich and investor Matt Tartaglia, the show covers everything from grassroots soccer to elite pathways like MLS NEXT and ECNL. Combining data, real experience, and expert insights from academy directors, college coaches, and former pros, each episode explains what families truly need to know. Weekly episodes focus on the core aspects of youth soccer: player development, coaching culture, college recruiting, tryouts, travel costs, and the challenges of youth sports parenting in today’s competitive environment. For families navigating youth soccer’s complex system, Chasing the Game offers practical advice, credible voices, and relatable stories from two dads working to make sense of American player development, one episode at a time.

Episodes

  1. What Does an MLS Academy Director Actually Do? Inside Youth Soccer Development with Sean McCafferty (NY Red Bulls)

    1D AGO

    What Does an MLS Academy Director Actually Do? Inside Youth Soccer Development with Sean McCafferty (NY Red Bulls)

    What does an academy director actually do at a professional club — and why do MLS academies sometimes lose games on purpose? In this episode of Chasing the Game, we sit down with Sean McCafferty, Academy Director of the New York Red Bulls, to unpack how elite youth soccer development really works in the United States. Sean takes us inside the Red Bulls academy system and explains: Why development matters more than winning at younger agesWhat parents misunderstand about MLS NEXT and professional academiesHow players are evaluated beyond talent: decision-making, mentality, and adaptabilityWhy playing up an age group and facing adversity accelerates growthHow MLS NEXT Pro changed the pathway to the first teamWhat parents should actually prioritize when choosing a club for their childThis conversation is especially for parents navigating the pressure, confusion, and noise of U.S. youth soccer. Sean brings clarity, patience, and perspective from 25 years inside the game — as both an academy leader and a parent himself. If you’ve ever wondered: “Why isn’t my kid playing more?”“Should we change clubs?”“Are we chasing false progress?”This episode is required listening. (00:00) - Welcome, why this episode is for parents (00:39) - Sean McCafferty, England to New York, coaching lens (02:44) - What an academy director actually does (05:28) - Scouting and selection, what gets a kid noticed (09:00) - Training culture, standards, and daily environment (15:00) - Development vs winning, teaching the game (27:00) - Minutes, roles, playing up, and roster reality (32:42) - Red Bull global network, Salzburg, Leipzig, Brazil (33:00) - Tournaments and the travel culture (45:08) - Growth spurts, late bloomers, and patience (55:12) - Cost, pay to play pressures, what families face (01:01:00) - What actually makes a player, scanning and decisions (01:11:30) - Closing thoughts and advice for families Click here to view the episode transcript.

    1h 15m
  2. What We Learned? Are We Building an American Brand of Soccer?

    JAN 7

    What We Learned? Are We Building an American Brand of Soccer?

    Episode 10 is our season recap: what we learned after nine weeks of interviews with people inside the U.S. youth soccer system. We went in thinking it was about leagues and badges. What did we come out with? Terms such as incentives, communication, minutes, touches, pressure, and the parent role. In this recap, we distill the key lessons from conversations with Luis Robles, Patrick Ouckama, Noah Gins, Ben Olsen, Brando and Billy, and Morten Gahn. What we learned MLS NEXT is dynamic, but families often do not get the “why” behind changes.The U.S. cannot be Europe-lite. Culture is not a tactic you can import.Pay-to-play is the operating reality for most non-MLS academies, which changes expectations and incentives.We may be calling too many kids “elite,” creating confusion and false promises.Roster math is not a hot take. Someone is always frustrated about minutes.Early talent is not destiny. Where you start is not the same as how you climb.Touch volume matters, and “good training” is hard for parents to evaluate.Burnout is often due to pressure, not just physical workload.Parents must adapt as the player grows, and that separation is challenging. (00:00) - Episode 10 recap: what we learned (double digits) (03:10) - Luis Robles: MLS NEXT is dynamic, but communication lags (06:53) - Patrick Ouckama: culture + why the US can’t be “Europe-lite.” (09:10) - Noah Gins: youth soccer is a business (pay-to-play reality) (12:38) - Are we calling too many kids “elite”? The funnel problem (16:10) - Roster math + scarcity: where the minutes go (19:33) - Patience + Morten’s staircase: where you start vs how you climb (25:30) - Touches + what “good training” even looks like (28:24) - Supplemental work: tutor analogy, FOMO, and the noise (34:35) - Burnout: it’s often pressure (not just volume) (36:44) - Parents evolve: separation, new role, and supporting the kid (47:59) - Tournaments, showcases, and the travel economy (MLS NEXT Fest, EDP) (56:46) - World Cup 2026 + MLS growth: what it could unlock next (59:14) - Season 2 teaser: mental, physical, directors, girls' game Click here to view the episode transcript.

    1h 2m
  3. Youth Soccer Development: Winning, and the Staircase Analogy

    12/17/2025

    Youth Soccer Development: Winning, and the Staircase Analogy

    Youth soccer focuses on development, but our systems still prioritize results. In this episode of Chasing the Game – Youth Soccer in America, we sit down with Morten Grahn, former director of the NYCFC Soccer Academy, to discuss a harsh truth in American youth soccer: elite environments are not designed to develop every player, yet early success is often mistaken for a sign of long-term potential. Morten uses a strong staircase analogy to explain why being higher in the system doesn't necessarily mean a player is better at progressing or more prepared for what’s next. We discuss how parents, coaches, and clubs often conflate rank within the system with proper development, and how that misunderstanding can influence decisions for years. We cover:• Why quietly winning can overshadow real development in youth soccer• How elite programs rely on structured plans rather than feelings• Why most players aren’t “rockets” — and why that’s normal• How challenge, struggle, and even not playing can be key to growth• What parents should really watch for in competitive environments This episode is for parents navigating academies, tryouts, and performance pressure, and for anyone questioning whether the current youth soccer model truly supports long-term growth. Chasing the Game aims to bring clarity and honesty to a system that often feels unclear. This conversation doesn’t give easy answers, but it helps families think in a better way. (00:00) - Intro – Why results still run youth soccer (02:45) - Winning vs development (06:30) - How elite systems really work (10:15) - Not everyone is built to be developed (14:40) - The staircase analogy explained (19:30) - Where players are vs how well they climb (24:10) - Why most players aren’t rockets (29:20) - Challenge struggle and not playing (34:15) - Frameworks over feelings (39:10) - Environment shapes outcomes (44:00) - What parents often misunderstand (49:20) - Rethinking opportunity and fairness (54:10) - Long term development vs short term success (58:30) - Rethinking how we evaluate players (01:02:10) - Advice for parents inside elite systems (01:05:40) - What development actually asks of families Click here to view the episode transcript.

    1h 11m
  4. U.S. Youth Soccer: The Next Generation Starts Here

    12/10/2025

    U.S. Youth Soccer: The Next Generation Starts Here

    The next chapter of American youth soccer is being built by a new generation. Not administrators. Not executives. Players. Young adults. People who lived the system from the inside and are now fixing the gaps they experienced firsthand. In this episode, we talk with Brando Babini and Billy Pavlou, founders of Youth4Youth FC and Next Level USA, two programs reshaping development through supplemental training, real match minutes, and near-peer mentorship. As parents inside the youth system, we see the pressure, confusion, and lack of clarity that families face. This conversation explains why the future depends on new leaders who understand both the player’s world and the parent’s world. We cover: • Why supplemental training exists and how to use it the right way • Why match minutes matter more than ever • Mistakes parents make without realizing • How mentorship fills the emotional gap in youth soccer • Differences between youth clubs such as NYCFC, Red Bulls, Met Oval, and Kickers • What exposure and recruiting actually look like today • Why the U.S. is primed for soccer innovation This is the next generation of U.S. youth soccer. It starts with people like Brando and Billy. (00:00) - Start (00:09) - Remote intro and audio joke (00:33) - Present and future of youth soccer, why these guests (00:46) - Introducing Billy Pavlou and Brando Babini (04:44) - Brando’s path through NYC academies and founding Youth4Youth FC (08:34) - Billy’s journey from Australia to New York and starting Next Level USA (14:28) - What supplemental training really means (19:56) - Club identities in NYC and how they shape players (27:21) - Who drives supplemental work, parents or players (29:25) - Relationships with MLS NEXT and top clubs, guest play rules (35:50) - Youth4Youth mentorship model and near-peer support (44:34) - Showcases, college recruiting and real exposure (48:50) - Burnout, pressure and where it actually comes from (53:39) - Social media, player profiles and the showcase effect (58:30) - Why the US is fertile ground for soccer startups (01:02:24) - Rapid fire: skills, clubs, parents and advice for 12-year-olds ‘View full transcript’

    1h 9m
  5. Noah Gins: From Chaos to Structure in American Youth Soccer

    12/03/2025

    Noah Gins: From Chaos to Structure in American Youth Soccer

    This week on Chasing the Game, we sit down with one of the most influential figures in American youth soccer: Noah Gins, Founder and CEO of Albion. We break down structure, culture, college pathways, measurable development, retention, and what true “success” really means inside a U.S. club system that too often rewards the wrong things. If you’re a parent, coach, or player trying to understand why youth soccer feels chaotic and what a functioning system could look like. This episode brings clarity. Topics We Cover • How Noah built one of the most successful youth clubs in the country • Why U.S. development suffers from fragmentation and inconsistency • The four core pillars of success at Albion • Retention, culture, and long-term development • Why “beautiful soccer” and winning often conflict • College recruitment myths and real pathways • How clubs should define success vs. how parents define success • Albion’s long-term vision for U.S. youth soccer YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/@chasingthegame-podcast Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/2pNWkRKtCJ9DqN6dgGcbWN Apple Podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com Website – https://chasingthegame.us Instagram – https://instagram.com/chasingthegamepod TikTok – https://tiktok.com/@chasingthegamepod Click here to view the episode transcript. (00:00) - Intro: The Machine Behind U.S. Youth Soccer (00:39) - Noah Gins Joins the Conversation (02:56) - Noah’s Youth Career and Path to Pro Soccer (04:00) - Building Albion: Six Teams to National Recognition (08:47) - Expansion, Affiliates, and the Albion Model (13:02) - What Was Missing in Youth Soccer (17:10) - How Environment Shapes Playing Style (18:58) - Structure vs Freedom in Player Development (20:31) - The League Maze: MLS NEXT, ECNL, EA (22:34) - Could the U.S. Ever Unite Its Development System? (25:45) - Why the U.S. Needs Player Compensation (29:57) - Supplementary Training and the Secondary Market (32:51) - Technical Mastery: Juggling and Measurable Skills (35:05) - Multi Sport Athletes and Specialization (37:45) - Understanding the U.S. Player Pathway (39:36) - The Problem With Using the Word “Elite” (41:11) - High School Soccer vs Academy Soccer (44:14) - Parents, Communication, and Culture (46:26) - Global Influences: Brazil, Spain, and Beyond (51:53) - Social Media, Mentality, and Today’s Players (53:50) - Seeing Albion as a System: Local to National (54:20) - Defining Success and Albion’s Four Pillars (57:54) - Cracking the College Pathway and Scholarships (01:02:22) - Albion’s Long Term Vision and Role in U.S. Soccer

    1h 7m
  6. Ben Olsen: How Pressure, Culture, and Development Really Work in U.S. Youth Soccer

    11/26/2025

    Ben Olsen: How Pressure, Culture, and Development Really Work in U.S. Youth Soccer

    In this episode, Ben Olsen provides one of the most honest breakdowns of youth soccer development in the U.S., covering how kids handle pressure, the differences he observes inside MLS NEXT academies, and why the American system often struggles with player development, culture, and long-term growth. Ben speaks openly about the realities of pay-to-play, how parents influence development, the gap in soccer IQ between U.S. players and the global game, and what coaches look for as kids transition from club soccer to college recruiting and ultimately the pro pathway. For parents navigating ECNL, USYS, MLS NEXT, high school soccer, or the college pathway, this episode offers clarity on how elite environments truly operate and what really matters for your child’s development. Key Takeaways Why the U.S. youth soccer system creates unique pressure at early agesWhat American players lack compared to global development culturesHow to build real soccer IQ outside of trainingWhat parents often misunderstand about development vs. competitivenessThe cultural differences between U.S. club soccer and pro academiesHow MLS clubs evaluate young players and what separates the ones who advanceWhy joy and intrinsic motivation matter more than early “success”Website: https://www.chasingthegame.us (00:00) - Intro (00:40) - Ben’s Early Experiences in U.S. Youth Soccer (03:15) - Pressure, Competitiveness & Player Development (07:10) - What Parents Get Wrong About Youth Soccer (11:30) - What Real Development Looks Like Inside MLS NEXT (15:45) - Culture, Joy & The Global Game (21:20) - Navigating Club Soccer Expectations (27:50) - Ben’s Advice to Parents & Players (32:40) - Wrap-Up

    52 min
  7. Patrick Ouckama: Inside the Academy (Part 2) – Pressure, Pathways & Progress

    11/19/2025

    Patrick Ouckama: Inside the Academy (Part 2) – Pressure, Pathways & Progress

    In Part 2, Patrick Ouckama expands on how MLS academies balance opportunity, pressure, and player well-being. We explore what “success” really means for young athletes, how to handle burnout, and what U.S. clubs can learn from Europe’s development model. Patrick also shares what parents should focus on beyond the scoreboard,  and how small cultural shifts can build better players and happier families. Hosted by Liron Unreich and Matt Tartaglia (00:00) - Introduction (00:19) - Development focus at younger ages (00:23) - Positions vs. profiles in academy evaluation (02:50) - Why many players identify as “#10s” (04:00) - When an attacking player becomes a fullback (05:50) - Pathways into the first team by position (07:45) - When to move a player out of the midfield (09:10) - Playing time vs. development at U13–U14 (12:00) - Technical load: why American players lack touches (14:50) - Are tactics introduced too early in the U.S.? (17:20) - Assessing coaching methodology inside academies (20:30) - Comparing U.S. and European development cultures (23:10) - Common misconceptions among parents (26:40) - Overlooked barriers in the U.S. development pathway (29:50) - Rapid-fire questions (33:40) - Closing remarks

    34 min
  8. Patrick Ouckama: Inside the Academy (Part 1) – Pathways & Culture

    11/12/2025

    Patrick Ouckama: Inside the Academy (Part 1) – Pathways & Culture

    In this first part of our conversation with Patrick Ouckama, Technical Director at the New England Revolution Academy, we go deep into the culture of player development inside an MLS NEXT environment. Patrick reflects on what has changed in U.S. youth soccer, how academy systems shape player mentality, and why development always has to come before winning. From Ithaca to the Revs to D.C. United, his story reveals the realities of balancing ambition, access, and joy in the game. Hosted by Liron Unreich and Matt Tartaglia. (00:00) - Intro (02:10) - Patrick’s Coaching Path (12:40) - Culture vs Talent (24:55) - Accountability Inside Academies (35:30) - Parent Expectations

    39 min
  9. Luis Robles on Building the Next Generation (Part 2)

    11/05/2025

    Luis Robles on Building the Next Generation (Part 2)

    In Part 2 of our conversation, Luis Robles (MLS NEXT Technical Director and former New York Red Bulls goalkeeper) shifts from his own story to the system our kids are currently in. We discuss how MLS NEXT works alongside other leagues, why “quality of play” is evaluated by human analysts (not AI), and how video and data support coaches, players, and college recruiting. Robles explains the U13/U14 field-size change (more touches, fewer track-meet games), the push to improve playing-time and substitution rules, and why parents are central to communication and culture. What you’ll learn: How MLS NEXT coordinates with ECNL, USL, Elite Academy, EDP, and othersWhy “quality of play” uses human analysts and what they actually measureHow video is applied for development (not just box-score stats)Why U13/U14 field sizes were reduced and what changes in matchesWhere winning belongs in a development model (standards and consistency)Playing time, substitution patterns, rankings and perception, and parent communicationBirth-year vs. school-year, bio-banding, and flexible, player-first policiesWhy talent can’t be predicted at ages 11–13—and how to keep kids in the game Chapters: [00:00] Welcome back: setting the table for Part 2 [01:00] Collaborating across leagues (ECNL, USL, EA, EDP) [04:00] Jerseys and culture: why kids rep Europe and how MLS can win fans [06:00] “Quality of Play” explained: human analysts, not AI [08:00] Video for development: cataloging moments; analysts vs. box-score stats [12:00] Encouraging creativity: rewarding productive 1v1s [16:00] Using video well for coaches, players, families; college-recruiting access [19:00] Rankings, perception, and the role of parents in the conversation [21:00] U13/U14 field-size reduction: touches, decision speed, actions to goal [24:00] Nine-a-side, international comparisons, and communicating the “why” [25:00] Next focus: playing time and substitution rules [26:30] Roster math, minutes, and birth-year vs. school-year [29:00] Bio-banding and flexibility: doing what’s best for the player [31:00] Keeping kids engaged through the drop-off years (11–14) [33:00] You can’t predict 11–13: even La Masia says so [35:00] U16–U19 = performance stage: college, MLS NEXT Pro, first team [40:00] Host reflections and takeaways [42:00] Outro and thanks Guest: Luis Robles: MLS NEXT Technical Director; former New York Red Bulls goalkeeper and captain. About the show: Chasing the Game – Youth Soccer in America helps families navigate tryouts, leagues (MLS NEXT, ECNL, GA), costs, travel, coaching quality, and the paths to college or pro—through candid conversations with people shaping the system. Transcript: ‘View full transcript’

    42 min
  10. Luis Robles on Building the Next Generation (Part 1)

    10/29/2025

    Luis Robles on Building the Next Generation (Part 1)

    In Part 1 of our conversation, Luis Robles, MLS NEXT Technical Director and former New York Red Bulls goalkeeper, shares his inspiring journey from underdog to MLS legend. Luis opens up about resilience, leadership, and the lessons learned on the field that now shape his work with the next generation of American players. (00:00) - Chapter 1 (00:00) - - Luis Robles on learning soccer late and almost choosing baseball (00:00) - - From immigrant family to USMNT and MLS Cup champion (00:00) - - Becoming a soccer parent and seeing pay-to-play up close (00:00) - - The grind of travel soccer and family sacrifices (00:00) - - What MLS NEXT is and why it matters (00:00) - - Can U.S. soccer build better pathways for kids? (00:00) - - Luis on goalkeeping, resilience, and identity (00:00) - - Hopes for the next generation of players

    47 min
  11. Navigating the Maze: Introducing Chasing the Game

    10/22/2025

    Navigating the Maze: Introducing Chasing the Game

    In the debut episode of Chasing the Game, co-hosts Liron Unreich and Matt Tartaglia set the stage for the series. They share their personal journeys as soccer parents, reflect on the challenges of navigating clubs, leagues, and academies, and explore why youth soccer in the U.S. can feel like a maze. Across nearly an hour of conversation, they compare American and international approaches, highlight the impact of pay-to-play, and preview the themes and guests to come this season. (00:00) - Introduction – Welcome to Chasing the Game (01:45) - Too Many Leagues, Too Little Clarity (06:30) - Matt’s Stats Corner – Fragmented System by the Numbers (09:50) - Liron’s Story – The Soccer Labyrinth at Home (13:10) - The MLS NEXT Shift (17:20) - The Pay-to-Play Paradox (21:00) - Expert Perspective – Finding Your Path (26:40) - The End Game – What Success Looks Like (29:10) - Closing – What We’ll Tackle Next

    49 min
  12. Trailer: Chasing the Game – Youth Soccer in America

    10/07/2025

    Trailer: Chasing the Game – Youth Soccer in America

    Soccer. Everywhere else, it’s four cones and a ball. In America, it’s spreadsheets, flights, and hotel bills. Chasing the Game is a new podcast from Liron Unreich and Matt Tartaglia, two soccer dads trying to understand how the world’s simplest game got so complicated in the U.S. Each week, they talk with the people who’ve lived it, from Ben Olsen and Luis Robles to Noah Ross of NYCFC’s Youth Academy — unpacking the culture, costs, and chaos of youth soccer in America. Join us as we chase the game, one story, one season, one sideline at a time.

    2 min

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Chasing the Game: Youth Soccer in America is a weekly podcast for soccer parents, coaches, and players who want to understand how youth soccer development really works in the United States. Hosted by two dads, filmmaker Liron Unreich and investor Matt Tartaglia, the show covers everything from grassroots soccer to elite pathways like MLS NEXT and ECNL. Combining data, real experience, and expert insights from academy directors, college coaches, and former pros, each episode explains what families truly need to know. Weekly episodes focus on the core aspects of youth soccer: player development, coaching culture, college recruiting, tryouts, travel costs, and the challenges of youth sports parenting in today’s competitive environment. For families navigating youth soccer’s complex system, Chasing the Game offers practical advice, credible voices, and relatable stories from two dads working to make sense of American player development, one episode at a time.

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