DDP - Deep Dyve Podcast

Charlie Charly

Diving Deep Podcast with Charlie and Charly dive deep into subjects that some people aren't willing to discover, because they are unwilling to hear the truth. "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." - 2 Timothy 4:4

  1. Reading the Book of Samuel Carnally vs Spiritually, Ep 30

    3d ago

    Reading the Book of Samuel Carnally vs Spiritually, Ep 30

    In this episode, we continue our deep dive through the King James Bible by exploring the Books of 1 Samuel and 2 Samuel through two very different lenses: the traditional historical interpretation taught in Christianity, Catholicism, and Judaism, and the symbolic, spiritual interpretation taught in New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka.Most readers know Samuel as the story of Israel's transition from judges to kings. It introduces the prophet Samuel, the rise and fall of King Saul, the anointing of David, the battle with Goliath, the establishment of the Davidic Kingdom, and some of the most famous stories in all of Scripture. Traditionally, these accounts are understood as historical events that shaped the nation of Israel and laid the foundation for the coming of Christ.But what if these stories are describing something deeper?What if Samuel represents spiritual discernment? What if Saul symbolizes the carnal mind driven by fear, pride, and self-will? What if David represents spiritual understanding overcoming false beliefs? What if Goliath is not merely a giant warrior, but a symbol of the obstacles, doubts, and strongholds that stand against truth?Throughout this conversation, we compare how Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, and Tyler Doka interpret the major events and symbols found in First Samuel and Second Samuel. We also explore fascinating thematic parallels with Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism, examining how leadership, humility, repentance, divine calling, and the struggle between ego and truth appear across religious traditions.Together, we discuss the rise and fall of Saul, David's confrontation with Goliath, the Davidic Covenant, David and Bathsheba, Absalom's rebellion, and the deeper meaning of kingship, prophecy, anointing, and the Kingdom of God.Whether you view Samuel as history, symbolism, or a combination of both, this episode invites you to consider a profound question:Are Samuel, Saul, and David merely ancient figures from the past, or are they patterns that continue to exist within every human being today?Sources referenced in this episode:The King James BibleNew Jerusalem by Tyler DokaThe Tanakh (Hebrew Bible)The Qur'anThe MahabharataThe RamayanaBuddhist teachingsSikh teachings Citations New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka ⁠ New Jerusalem on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/216kGrK3IsF3cyFSl4XXvL  King James Bible ⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org   #FirstSamuel #SecondSamuel #KingJamesBible #TylerDoka #NewJerusalem #BibleStudy #Christianity #Judaism #Catholicism #SpiritualInterpretation #DavidAndGoliath #KingSaul #KingDavid #BiblicalSymbolism #CarnallyVsSpiritually

    50 min
  2. Reading the Book of Ruth Carnally vs Spiritually, Ep 29

    Jul 3

    Reading the Book of Ruth Carnally vs Spiritually, Ep 29

    In this episode, we continue our journey through the King James Bible by exploring the Book of Ruth through two very different lenses: the carnal traditional interpretation taught in modern Christianity and the symbolic, spiritual interpretation as intended by God through the teachings of Tyler Doka. Most readers know Ruth as a beautiful story of loyalty, redemption, and divine providence. It is the account of a Moabite woman who leaves her homeland, remains faithful to her mother-in-law Naomi, finds favor with Boaz, and ultimately becomes part of the lineage of King David and Jesus Christ. But what if the Book of Ruth was never a historical account? What if Ruth represents the soul seeking truth? What if Moab symbolizes separation from understanding, Bethlehem represents spiritual nourishment, and Boaz reveals a deeper picture of redemption that takes place within? Together, we examine key passages from the King James Bible and compare how they are commonly understood versus through a spiritual lens. Along the way, we discuss themes such as loyalty, covenant, redemption, inheritance, faith, spiritual transformation, and the journey from separation into truth. Whether you view Ruth as carnal history or symbolically, this conversation invites you to look deeper and ask an important question: Are we reading the Book of Ruth as a story that supposedly happened in the past, or is it really a story that represents what happens within? Sources referenced in this episode: New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka ⁠ New Jerusalem on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/216kGrK3IsF3cyFSl4XXvL  King James Bible https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org   TARTARIA: Is All Of Recorded History A Lie?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FwC-qwgNzA  #BookOfRuth #KingJamesBible #TylerDoka #NewJerusalem #BibleStudy #SpiritualInterpretation #Christianity #BiblicalSymbolism #Ruth #Boaz #Naomi #CarnallyVsSpiritually

    36 min
  3. Reading the Book of Judges Carnally vs. Spiritually Ep 28

    Jun 26

    Reading the Book of Judges Carnally vs. Spiritually Ep 28

    Charlie and Charly continue this series through each book of the King James Bible by turning their focus to the Book of Judges, a powerful and deeply symbolic book that chronicles Israel’s repeated cycle of sin, oppression, repentance, and deliverance. In this episode, the Book of Judges is explored through two distinct lenses: the traditional historical interpretation taught in Christianity, Catholicism, and the Hebrew Bible, and the symbolic spiritual interpretation taught by Tyler Doka in New Jerusalem and his podcast teachings.  Traditionally, Judges is understood as the historical story of Israel after the death of Joshua, a nation repeatedly falling into idolatry, suffering oppression from surrounding nations, and being rescued by judges raised up by God. But according to Tyler’s framework, these stories are not merely external events or military conflicts. Instead, they describe the unseen spiritual condition within man.  We examine the major stories and figures of Judges, including: Othniel Ehud and King Eglon Deborah and Barak Gideon and the 300 Jephthah’s vow Samson and Delilah  Each story is analyzed from both perspectives: The carnal reading, where Israel battles physical enemies and experiences historical events The spiritual reading, where the battles represent internal warfare, spiritual blindness, deception, temptation, and awakening to truth  The episode also explores Tyler Doka’s repeated teaching that: The natural man reads Scripture carnally The true battlefield is spiritual rather than physical The Bible describes the unseen reality within man Throughout the discussion, the hosts compare: Physical enemies vs spiritual blindness Military conflict vs internal struggle National Israel vs the inner man External deliverance vs spiritual awakening Citations New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka ⁠ New Jerusalem on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/216kGrK3IsF3cyFSl4XXvL  King James Bible ⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

    30 min
  4. Reading the Book of Joshua Carnally vs. Spiritually Ep 27

    Jun 19

    Reading the Book of Joshua Carnally vs. Spiritually Ep 27

    In this episode, the Charlie and Charly continue their series through the King James Bible by taking a deep dive into the Book of Joshua, examining its content through two distinct lenses: the carnal historical interpretation taught across modern religion, including Christian denominations, Catholicism, internet pastors, and the Tanakh, and the symbolic, spiritual interpretation presented in Tyler Doka’s teachings. Traditionally, the Book of Joshua is understood as a historical account of Israel’s conquest of Canaan and their transition from wilderness wandering into the Promised Land. It is taught as a record of military victories, physical land inheritance, and God’s direct intervention in human history. In contrast, this episode explores Tyler Doka’s teaching that the entire Bible is a spiritual account, not a record of physical events. Scripture, according to this framework, must be understood by “comparing spiritual things with spiritual,” where the natural man reads the text carnally, while the spiritual man perceives the unseen reality behind the symbols. The hosts walk through the major themes of Joshua, including God’s promise, leadership, obedience, faith, divine intervention, miracles, judgment, inheritance, and covenant renewal—presenting each in its traditional (carnal) understanding and then re‑examining it as a symbolic representation of inner spiritual realities. Additional discussion includes scholarly perspectives that challenge conventional views of biblical authorship, canon formation, and historical dating. This includes analysis of: The authorship and composition of the PentateuchThe development of scriptural authority in early JudaismThe limitations of radiocarbon dating in establishing historical timelinesThe episode also connects to earlier discussions from this series, including the idea that historical narratives may have been altered, reconstructed, or shaped over time, and that much of what is accepted as ancient history may not be as fixed or reliable as commonly believed. As stated throughout the series, the goal is not to present original ideas, but to examine the Bible through the teachings of Tyler Doka, whose interpretation has generated significant controversy, particularly due to his claim of being the “Word made flesh.” While many have dismissed his teachings without examination, the hosts have chosen to study them in depth and present them for comparison. Ultimately, this episode invites listeners to reconsider the Book of Joshua: Is the historical account of physical conquest the lies of man… or is the Bible really a symbolic description of the believer’s journey into spiritual understanding? Citations New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka ⁠ King James Bible ⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org   Redating the Radiocarbon Dating of The Dead Sea Scrolls https://www.academia.edu/82955757/Redating_the_Radiocarbon_Dating_of_The_Dead_Sea_Scrolls?sm=a&rhid=40569818044   Is Moses the Author of the Pentateuch? Examining the Historical and Linguistic Perspectives https://www.academia.edu/104979347/Is_Moses_the_Author_of_the_Pentateuch_Examining_the_Historical_and_Linguistic_Perspectives  SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY IN EARLY JUDAISM - John C. Reeves, University of North Carolina at Charlotte https://www.academia.edu/4620470/Scriptural_Authority_in_Early_Judaism

    46 min
  5. Reading the Book of Deuteronomy Carnally vs Spiritually Ep 26

    Jun 12

    Reading the Book of Deuteronomy Carnally vs Spiritually Ep 26

    We continue our series through the King James Bible by turning our focus to the Book of Deuteronomy, a powerful and widely recognized story of Moses’ final address to Israel, calling them to remember God’s law, remain faithful, and choose obedience as they prepare to enter the Promised Land.  In today’s deep dive, Charlie and Charly examine the Book of Deuteronomy through the lens of Tyler Doka’s teachings, while also comparing that perspective to how it is currently taught across modern Christian traditions. This includes the standard approach within the Pentateuch, where the text is read carnally and understood primarily as a historical record. The goal of this series is to help our audience read and understand the Bible as we believe it was intended by God. We do not claim to be the originators of these insights. Everything we present has been learned through the teachings of Tyler Doka. His teachings have generated significant controversy, especially after he publicly declared himself to be the “Word made flesh” as described in the Holy Bible. While most people dismiss this claim without examining his teachings, we chose the opposite approach, we engaged with them deeply and explored them firsthand. Listeners can learn more about Tyler Doka in the first six episodes of this podcast. While we have discussed his teachings in earlier episodes, this series takes a more structured approach by examining each book of the King James Bible individually. As we did in previous episodes where we conducted a comparative analysis of the first four books of the Bible, we continue this method with the Book of Deuteronomy. Using full quotations from the Book of Deuteronomy, this episode examines key moments including:  Moses’ First Address: Israel’s Wilderness History (Deuteronomy 1–4) Call to Leave Sinai (1:5–8) – Moses urges Israel to depart from Mount Horeb. Leaders Appointed (1:9–18) – Moses chooses judges and leaders. The Twelve Spies (1:19–46) – Israel sends spies to Canaan; their fear leads to 40 years of wandering. Defeat at Hormah (1:41–46) – Israel’s rebellion against God’s command. Journey to Moab (2:1–3:11) – Encounters with Edom, Moab, and Ammon; victories over Sihon and Og. Land Division East of Jordan (3:12–22) – Moses divides the land but is forbidden to cross the Jordan. Exhortation to Obedience (4:1–40) – God’s faithfulness despite Israel’s failures. Citations New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka⁠ King James Bible ⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

    46 min
  6. Reading the Book of Numbers Carnally vs Spiritually Ep 25

    Jun 5

    Reading the Book of Numbers Carnally vs Spiritually Ep 25

    Charlie and Charly continue the journey through the King James Bible, turning our focus to the Book of Numbers, a powerful, most misunderstood, and often overlooked account of Israel’s time in the wilderness.Known in Hebrew as “In the Wilderness,” the Book of Numbers traces Israel’s 40‑year journey from Mount Sinai to the edge of the Promised Land. Carnally, it is understood as a historical record of preparation, rebellion, discipline, and God’s faithfulness. But what happens when these same events are read through a spiritual, symbolic, inward lens?In this episode, Numbers is explored through two perspectives: the traditional, literal interpretation commonly taught in modern religion, and the symbolic interpretation inspired by Tyler Doka’s New Jerusalem teachings.Using full verses from the King James Bible, Charlie and Charly walk through the major moments of the book, including:The census and organization of the campThe early complaints and rebellion in the wildernessThe twelve spies and the refusal to enter the Promised LandKorah’s rebellionMoses and the water from the rockThe bronze serpent and healingBalaam and the talking donkeyThe preparation of a new generationEach story is examined side‑by‑side, revealing how the meaning shifts depending on the lens used. In a carnal traditional view, these events describe a nation’s physical journey through a desert. In a spiritual and symbolic reading, the wilderness becomes a representation of the human mind, moving through confusion, resistance, correction, and transformation.What does it mean to “wander in the wilderness”?Are rebellion and judgment external events—or inner struggles?Is the Promised Land a physical destination—or a state of understanding?Rather than arguing for one view over the other, this episode invites listeners to see how interpretation shapes meaning, and how the same text can point either outward to history—or inward to transformation.Ultimately, this episode raises a deeper question:Is the Book of Numbers a story about a people wandering through the desert… or a reflection of what it means to navigate the wilderness within?This episode invites listeners to see how the lens of interpretation shapes meaning. The same words describe an external religious carnal system or reveal a spiritual symbolic map of inner transformation.CitationsNew Jerusalem by Tyler Dokahttps://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka⁠King James Bible⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

    39 min
  7. Reading the Book of Leviticus Carnally vs. Spiritually Ep 24

    May 29

    Reading the Book of Leviticus Carnally vs. Spiritually Ep 24

    Charlie and Charly continue their series through the King James Bible with one of the most challenging and often misunderstood books, the Book of Leviticus. In this episode, we explore Leviticus through two very different lenses: the traditional way it is taught in modern churches, versus the symbolic, inward interpretation presented in Tyler Doka’s New Jerusalem teachings. Commonly, Leviticus is understood as a detailed system of laws, covering sacrifices, priesthood, cleanliness, sin, and atonement. It’s often read as a historical guide to how ancient Israel was instructed to worship and live. But what happens when these same passages are read spiritually instead of literally? Using full quotations from the King James Bible, this episode examines key sections including: The system of sacrificesThe role of the priestsClean vs. unclean lawsSin and atonementThe Day of AtonementThe call to holinessWe explore each passage from both perspectives, first as an external system of rituals and rules, and then as a spiritual and symbolic representation of inner transformation, awareness, and alignment with truth. What do sacrifices really represent?What does it mean to be “unclean”?Is atonement something done externally, or experienced internally? This episode invites listeners to see how interpretation shapes meaning, and how the same text can point in very different directions depending on the lens used. Ultimately, this conversation raises a deeper question: Is Leviticus a manual for ancient religious practice… or a symbolic map of how the mind is refined, purified, and brought into alignment? Citations New Jerusalem by Tyler Dokahttps://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka⁠BOOK OF LEVITICUS KJV https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Leviticus-Chapter-1/

    43 min
  8. Reading the Book of Exodus Carnally vs Spiritually Ep 23

    May 22

    Reading the Book of Exodus Carnally vs Spiritually Ep 23

    We continue our series through the King James Bible by turning our focus to the Book of Exodus, a powerful and widely recognized story of bondage, deliverance, and divine law.In this episode, Exodus is explored through two distinct lenses: the traditional understanding typically taught in modern churches,  and even by modern social media influencers, versus the spiritual and symbolic, inward interpretation presented in Tyler Doka’s teachings from New Jerusalem.Traditionally, Exodus is viewed as a historical account of the Israelites’ enslavement in Egypt, God’s intervention through Moses, the plagues, the miraculous escape, and the establishment of divine law. But what if this story is not only about events that happened long ago?Through a symbolic reading, Exodus takes on a deeper dimension, one that reflects the internal human experience. Egypt becomes a state of bondage, Pharaoh represents resistance and control, and the journey out of Egypt becomes a picture of inner transformation and awakening.Using full quotations from the King James Bible, this episode examines key moments including:The bondage in EgyptThe burning bush and the revelation of “I AM”The plagues and confrontation with PharaohThe Passover and deliveranceThe crossing of the Red SeaThe wilderness journeyThe giving of the lawThe construction of the tabernacleEach passage is explored side‑by‑side, showing how meaning shifts depending on whether the text is read outwardly as history or inwardly as a symbolic reflection of the mind.Throughout the discussion, themes like bondage and freedom, fear and trust, resistance and surrender, and law versus transformation come into focus, revealing two very different ways of understanding the same words.This episode doesn’t ask you to choose a side, it invites you to see more clearly.Is Exodus simply the story of a people leaving Egypt… or is it also the story of what it means for you to move from inner bondage into freedom?CitationsNew Jerusalem by Tyler Dokahttps://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka⁠King James Bible⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

    35 min
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Diving Deep Podcast with Charlie and Charly dive deep into subjects that some people aren't willing to discover, because they are unwilling to hear the truth. "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." - 2 Timothy 4:4

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  • Creator
    Charlie Charly
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    29
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    Clean
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    © Charlie Charly
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