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Asia Tech Lens

Inside the journeys of Asia’s tech founders — their turning points, playbooks, and what they learned along the way. www.asiatechlens.com

Episodes

  1. 12/23/2025

    Founder Playbook 2025: The Most Useful Insights From Our Podcast (Year-End Recap)

    We hit publish in October this year with a simple goal: have honest, operator-level conversations with founders building real businesses across Asia. Today’s episode is a rewind of the moments that stayed with us: building through pivots, the realities of raising money, hard decisions, and what it takes to scale across markets and time zones. Expect standout takeaways on AI learning and product validation, global payments and stablecoin rails, business lending, automotive marketplaces, and closing protection gaps through embedded insurance. 💡 What You’ll Hear About * AI education before the hype, and what “AI” actually meant when most people were not paying attention * Personalized learning at scale, including why tailoring to each student matters when resources are tight * Building through constraints and pivots, from adoption friction to making tough resets when the model has to change * AI in eye health and clinical trust, and what it takes to win over conservative medical stakeholders where safety is non-negotiable * Fintech execution in Southeast Asia, and why business lending is an on-the-ground operating problem, not just a product thesis * Scaling a car platform beyond classifieds, including how financing and insurance become real growth levers * Payments infrastructure and stablecoin rails, built for real-world merchants without the “crypto experience,” plus operational realities * Lessons learnt: leadership under pressure, including the hardest calls founders make, the emotional cost, and how teams rebuild and grow ⏱️ In this Episode 0:00 – Introduction0:36 – Joleen Liang - “AI” before it was a buzzword: adaptive learning and scalable education 2:07 – Kevin Choi - Eye health + AI: earning clinician trust when safety comes first 2:54 – Kelvin Teo - Harvard-to-Southeast Asia: why fintech opportunity is real, but execution is everything 7:02 – Aaron Tan - Building in an “unsexy” category: why cars can still be a massive business 10:48 – David Isaac - From idea to real business: validation, A/B testing, and scenario thinking 14:48 – Rob Schimek - The future of insurance: protection gaps, distribution, and what actually scales18:07 – Joleen Liang - Going global in edtech: the US market, localization, and teacher capacity constraints 21:44 – Eric Barbier - Stablecoins without the crypto experience: global merchants, time zones, and real use cases 26:17 – Aaron Tan - Scaling into new countries: team first, local realities, and avoiding expensive mistakes 28:39 – Kevin Choi - Fundraising reality check: “money is cold” and what that teaches founders 30:07 – Eric Barbier - How VCs think: incentives, expectations, and the founder–investor mismatch 31:12 – Kelvin Teo - Timing and conviction: raising when it matters, and what investors look for 32:32 – Rob Schimek - Proving you are worth backing: partners, differentiation, and defensibility 36:47 – Neo Zhizhong - The hardest leadership decision: letting people go and living with it 37:56 – Kevin Choi - Hiring and HR mistakes: what Kevin regrets and what he learned 39:34 – Aaron Tan - Expansion lessons: what did not go to plan and how to recover fast (Aaron)41:36 – Joleen Liang - “Rising from the ashes”: regulatory shock, revenue collapse, and the pivot 48:00 – Eric Barbier - Leadership style: autonomy vs micromanagement, and what teams need 49:25 – Aaron Tan - Talent and culture: why people should come and go, and what that signals 52:38 – Joleen Liang - Female leadership: strength, softness, and how influence actually works 53:43 – Managing Work-Life Balance 📚 References (Mentioned in the Episode) People * Miro Lu — https://www.linkedin.com/in/mirolu * Aaron Tan — https://www.linkedin.com/in/aarontan/ * David Isaac Mathews — https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidisaacm/?originalSubdomain=sg * Neo Zhizhong (Neo) — https://www.linkedin.com/in/zzneo/ * Dr Joleen Liang — https://www.linkedin.com/in/joleen-liang-70b11ba4/ * Derek Haoyang Li — https://www.linkedin.com/in/derek-haoyang-li-076432173/ * Kevin Choi — https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinchoi-mediwhale/ * Kelvin Teo — Co-Founder & Group CEO, Funding Societies | Modalku — https://www.linkedin.com/in/tkelvin/ * Reynold Wijaya — Co-Founder, Funding Societies | Modalku — https://www.linkedin.com/in/reynoldwijaya/ * Eric Barbier — CEO, Triple-A.io — https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericbarbier/ * Rob Schimek — https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-schimek-59b37a1/ * Peter Thiel — https://thielfoundation.org Companies and Organizations * Carro — https://carro.co/sg/en * AIPath.one — https://www.aipath.one/ * Geniebook — https://www.geniebook.com * Squirrel Ai Learning — https://squirrelai.com/about/ * Mediwhale - https://mediwhale.com/ * Funding Societies | Modalku — https://fundingsocieties.com * Triple-A.io — https://triple-a.io * bolttech — https://www.bolttech.io * Trip.com — https://www.trip.com * Lego — https://www.lego.com * Harvard Business School — https://www.hbs.edu * Cambridge International Curriculum —https://www.cambridgeinternational.org/ * IB Programme (International Baccalaureate) — https://www.ibo.org/ * Singapore Ministry of Education: PSLE (Singapore National Exam) https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/psl... * Singapore Ministry of Education: Education in Singapore —https://www.moe.gov.sg/education-in-sg * Vietnam Ministry of Education & Training — https://en.moet.gov.vn/ * Swiss Re Institute (Protection Gap research) —https://www.swissre.com/institute * McKinsey (Embedded Insurance) https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/financial-services/our-insights/ * EY (Insurtech Landscape) — https://www.ey.com/ * IAIS (Global Insurance Regulation) — https://www.iaisweb.org * Ironman Triathlon — https://www.ironman.com * Sequoia Capital / Peak XV Partners — https://www.peakxv.com Concepts and Topics * GPT / ChatGPT — https://openai.com/chatgpt * DeepSeek - https://www.deepseek.com/ * China tutoring ban - https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/social-welfare/article/3150726/chinese-parents-turn-black-market-after-school * PSLE (Singapore national exam) - https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/psle-fsbb/psle/main.html * Singapore education system - https://www.moe.gov.sg/education-in-sg * The Lancet Digital Health – https://www.thelancet.com/digital-health * Glaucoma — Mayo Clinic Overview: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c... * Retinal Imaging (Fundus Photography) —https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health... * Cardiovascular Disease (CVD) — WHO Fact Sheet: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sh... 🎙️ About Asia Tech Lens Produced by Perspective Media (Singapore), Asia Tech Lens explores the technology, trends, and people shaping Asia’s innovation landscape — and its global impact. For enquiries about: * Sponsorships & partnerships: partnerships@asiatechlens.com * Media & permissions: editor@asiatechlens.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.asiatechlens.com

    1h 6m
  2. 12/09/2025

    Inside Asia’s Biggest Protection Gap Opportunity

    In this episode, we sit down with Rob Schimek, Group CEO of bolttech, to unpack one of Asia’s most ambitious insurtech scale-up stories—and why the world’s protection gap is now a multi-trillion-dollar opportunity hiding in plain sight. Rob has spent decades at the intersection of finance, risk, and technology. From leading a major global insurer to building one of the fastest-growing embedded-insurance platforms on the planet, his journey shows how insurance is becoming an essential digital-economy layer—as fundamental as payments, identity, or logistics. We dig into the big structural questions:Why is insurance still so underpenetrated across Asia?How do you build trust with regulators, distribution partners, and millions of customers?And what does it take to create a digital insurance exchange across markets with wildly different rules, expectations, and levels of financial maturity? Hosted by Miro Lu, this conversation goes deep into leadership, ecosystem design, and the future of embedded protection worldwide. 💡 What You’ll Learn * The global protection gap—and why it’s still widening * Why Asia is the most interesting insurance market today * How embedded insurance is reshaping distribution and product design * Building a cross-market exchange: data, partners, regulation * Why incumbents struggle with speed, experimentation, and UX * Underwriting in a digital context—and why trust is a product * How bolttech scales across Asia, the US, and Europe * Customer expectations in 2025: real-time, contextual, frictionless * Leadership lessons from transforming legacy insurers * Attracting talent to an industry many overlook * The future: from selling policies to enabling ecosystems ⏱️ Chapters 00:00 – Opening & Rob’s early lens on risk and leadership01:02 – The global protection gap: a multi-trillion-dollar problem02:15 – Founding bolttech at 5304:20 – Why embedded insurance matters now06:55 – Understanding the customer journey in insurance08:50 – How bolttech achieved 0→1 // What bolttech actually solves10:40 – Translating vision into real product11:25 – Why Asia?13:45 – How regulations shape innovation across markets15:02 – The 2018–2020 incubation story17:10 – Early experiments (what worked, what didn’t)18:43 – Building a global team22:05 – Culture, discipline & high-performance execution24:30 – How bolttech partners with ecosystems27:40 – Scaling across Asia, the US & Europe31:50 – Risk, underwriting & data: building trust at scale35:10 – The funding winter38:20 – Investor expectations in shifting markets41:17 – Corporate vs. startup: what really changes44:40 – Operating with speed vs. certainty46:45 – The Ironman mindset50:10 – What endurance sports teach about leadership53:27 – What Rob wishes he knew earlier55:00 – Frustrations, regrets, disappointments56:35 – What keeps Rob optimistic58:10 – The next five years01:01:45 – Closing reflections & advice for operators 📚 References (Mentioned in the Episode) People Rob Schimek—https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-schimek-59b37a1/Miro Lu—https://www.linkedin.com/in/mirolu Companies & Organisations bolttech—https://www.bolttech.ioLiberty Mutual—https://www.libertymutual.comAIG—https://www.aig.comPacific Century Group (PCG)—https://www.pcg-group.comFosun International—https://www.fosun.comLeapFrog Investments—https://www.leapfroginvest.comEQT Group—https://eqtgroup.comMetLife—https://www.metlife.comAXA—https://www.axa.comTokio Marine—https://www.tokiomarine.comPrudential—https://www.prudential.com.sgSwiss Re—https://www.swissre.com Concepts & Frameworks Swiss Re Protection Gap Research—https://www.swissre.com/instituteEmbedded Insurance (McKinsey)—https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/financial-services/our-insights/embedded-insuranceInsurtech Landscape (EY)—https://www.ey.com/en_gl/insurance/how-insurtechs-are-reshaping-insuranceGlobal Insurance Regulation—https://www.iaisweb.orgDigital Underwriting Models—https://www.actuaries.org Regulators MAS—https://www.mas.gov.sgHong Kong Insurance Authority—https://www.ia.org.hkNAIC—https://www.naic.orgEIOPA—https://www.eiopa.europa.eu Reports Swiss Re Sigma—https://www.sigma-explorer.comMcKinsey Global Insurance Report—https://www.mckinsey.comDeloitte Insurance Outlook—https://www2.deloitte.comBain APAC Insurance & Bancassurance Insights—https://www.bain.com Books / Mindset Simon Sinek—Start with WhyBen Horowitz—The Hard Thing About Hard ThingsAngela Duckworth—GritDavid Goggins—Can’t Hurt Me Sports & Endurance Ironman—https://www.ironman.comTraining Peaks—https://www.trainingpeaks.com 🎙️ About Asia Tech Lens Produced by Perspective Media (Singapore), Asia Tech Lens explores the technology, trends, and people shaping Asia’s innovation landscape — and its global impact. For enquiries about: * Sponsorships & partnerships: partnerships@asiatechlens.com * Media & permissions: editor@asiatechlens.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.asiatechlens.com

    1h 5m
  3. 12/02/2025

    Why This Fintech Veteran Is Betting on Stablecoins | Conversation with Eric Barbier

    In this episode, we sit down with serial entrepreneur Eric Barbier, who lives by a simple rule: “Where there is a problem, there is a business.”Eric has lived several chapters of the fintech story. He built a mobile-messaging startup, enabled international prepaid top-ups, and supported mobile-wallet remittances across regions from Southeast Asia to Africa. Throughout those chapters, the same operational issues kept appearing—pre-funding requirements, weekend and holiday settlement delays, failed payments, fraud exposure, and chargeback risk.Those long-standing inefficiencies eventually shaped his latest venture: Triple-A.io - a regulated payments institution that lets businesses accept and send stablecoins instantly, without ever handling crypto themselves. In this conversation, Eric breaks down what stablecoins actually solve. They move in real time, operate 24/7, eliminate chargebacks, and are already used by hundreds of millions of people worldwide—addressing the exact bottlenecks he previously had to engineer around. 💡What You’ll Learn * How Eric built a mobile messaging network and turned it into an interconnect business. * Why international prepaid top-ups became a growth engine across emerging markets. * How mobile-wallet remittances expanded through local partnerships and on-the-ground sales insights. * What entrepreneurs rarely talk about: investor pressure, misaligned incentives, and lessons from a $400M exit. * How pre-funding, weekend delays, FX frictions, and chargebacks repeatedly surfaced in his cross-border ventures. * Why Eric concluded that stablecoins fix the same operational issues he battled for decades. * What stablecoin settlement actually looks like for merchants—speed, finality, and no chargebacks. * Why enterprise clients are increasingly requesting blockchain-based settlement rails. * How market adoption varies between Asia, Europe, and the U.S. FinTech landscape. * What practical leadership looks like inside a distributed, multi-market payments company. * How founder mindset evolves after multiple exits—and why Eric keeps building. ⏱️ In This Episode 00:00 - Introduction01:20 - Origins04:24 - The Asia Pivot07:15 - First Exit Reflections12:45 - Business Model Overview13:56 - Why TransferTo Was Acquired15:12 - Post-Exit Decisions16:38 - Tackling the US Market17:46 - Talking Directly with Clients is Key18:16 - The SFO Experience20:37 - Where Did the Idea for Triple-A.io Come From?23:19 - Why Stablecoins Matter for Global Merchants25:26 - Stablecoins vs Traditional Payment Networks27:46 - The Broader Blockchain Era28:41 - Stablecoin Adoption Trends35:35 - Regulation, Licencing, Merchant Adoption39:42 - Biggest Lessons and Mistakes as an Entrepreneur41:45 - Understanding VC Expectations42:00 - Differences Between East and West44:46 - Managing Global Teams50:34 - Leisure and Life55:52 - Advice to Your Younger Self59:07 - “If there’s a problem, there’s a business”59:24 - “What I really love is proving my point” 📚 References People & Founders * Eric Barbier, CEO, Triple-A.io - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericbarbier/ Companies, Platforms & Ventures * Triple-A.io - https://triple-a.io * DT One - https://www.dtone.com * TransferTo / Thunes - https://www.thunes.com/news/fintech-connect-live-interview-transferto-ceo-eric-barbier-on-mobile-money/ * Trip.com - https://www.trip.com Mobile Wallets, Telcos & Crypto * GCash (Philippines) - https://www.gcash.com * PayMaya / Maya (Philippines) - https://www.maya.ph * M-Pesa (Kenya) - https://www.safaricom.co.ke/personal/m-pesa * bKash (Bangladesh) - https://www.bkash.com * Singtel (Singapore) - https://www.singtel.com * Maxis (Malaysia) - https://www.maxis.com.my * Bitcoin - https://bitcoin.org Regulators, Licenses & Jurisdictions * MAS – Monetary Authority of Singapore - https://www.mas.gov.sg Movies * ‘The Great Dictator’ by Charlie Chaplin - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032553/ 🎙️ About Asia Tech Lens Produced by Perspective Media (Singapore), Asia Tech Lens explores the technology, trends, and people shaping Asia’s innovation landscape — and its global impact. For enquiries about: * sponsorships or collaboration: partnerships@asiatechlens.com * media or permissions: editor@asiatechlens.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.asiatechlens.com

    1h 1m
  4. 11/25/2025

    The Hard Truths Most Fintech Founders Learn Too Late | Conversation with Kelvin Teo

    This week on Asia Tech Lens, we unpack one of Southeast Asia’s most instructive fintech stories: how Kelvin Teo built Funding Societies | Modalku into the region’s largest SME digital lender — and the painful lessons most founders only learn the hard way. The spark was unexpected. During his time at Harvard Business School, Kelvin heard Peter Thiel argue that Asia didn’t need “more innovation,” it needed better execution. That provocation pushed Kelvin and his co-founder, Reynold Wijaya, to confront a structural financing gap no one wanted to touch. What followed was a decade of difficult, often unglamorous work: building credit models with barely any data, engaging regulators before frameworks existed, surviving liquidity crunches and layoffs, expanding across markets with wildly different risk profiles, and learning how founder alignment becomes the decisive ingredient for long-term resilience. Hosted by Miro Lu, this episode goes deep into what it actually takes to build a regional fintech serving millions of SMEs — not the glossy narrative, but the real operational, cultural, and emotional load behind the scenes. 💡What You’ll Learn * How “execution over innovation” became the founding insight * Why SME financing in SEA was chronically underserved * Building credit models in data-scarce environments * Surviving early shocks: liquidity crunches, layoffs, and tough calls * How founder alignment shapes resilience * Expanding across SG, ID, MY, TH, VN — the real operational cost * Balancing aggressive scaling with responsible risk management * Navigating regulators and investors across multiple jurisdictions * What fintech founders consistently underestimate in SEA * What the next decade of SME financing looks like ⏱️ In This Episode 00:00 – Opening provocation & Peter Thiel’s comment00:34 – Why they aligned early as founders01:41 – Entering the origin story02:19 – The comment that sparked Funding Societies03:10 – Studying US innovation models & scanning opportunities04:09 – Narrowing down the fintech ideas07:49 – Kevin’s early career and what shaped him09:41 – Forming the co-founder relationship11:49 – Harvard as a launching pad12:54 – Running a startup from Boston13:58 – Sequoia’s early engagement & the term-sheet saga17:34 – Building credit models with limited data21:22 – Hyper-local risk, experimentation & mitigations22:27 – How microloans were pioneered25:59 – Microloans, property-backed lending and product evolution28:10 – First major shocks: bank partnerships & credibility29:47 – Surviving the early bank relationship winter31:24 – How the fintech landscape matured33:11 – Profitability by country33:43 – Lessons from M&A through CardUp acquisition37:50 – Regional expansions: Singapore, Indonesia and Beyond40:55 – Balancing group discipline with local autonomy41:32 – Mission, vision & preventing Southeast Asia’s “middle-income trap”42:45 – Surviving early shocks and hard lessons47:25 – Retaining sanity & emotional management49:21 – How Southeast Asian founders build support infrastructure50:33 – Scaling responsibly vs scaling fast52:38 – The AI frenzy & distinguishing real from “fake AI”54:19 – Looking ahead: the next decade of SME financing58:48 – Leadership, culture and founder resilience01:02:21 – Advice to his younger self01:03:48 – If Kelvin weren’t building FS01:05:08 – The future of SME financing in Southeast Asia01:06:58 – IPO vs trade sale01:08:14 – Outside of work01:09:20 – Book recommendation01:10:15 – Closing 📚 References People & Founders * Kelvin Teo — Co-Founder & Group CEO, Funding Societies | Modalku — https://www.linkedin.com/in/tkelvin/ * Reynold Wijaya — Co-Founder, Funding Societies | Modalku — https://www.linkedin.com/in/reynoldwijaya/ * Peter Thiel — Entrepreneur & investor; HBS talk that sparked the “execution over innovation” idea — https://thielfoundation.org * Aaron Tan — Co-Founder & CEO, Carro — https://www.linkedin.com/in/aarontan/ * Piyush Gupta — CEO, DBS Bank — https://www.linkedin.com/in/piyushguptasingapore/ Companies, Platforms & Brands * Funding Societies | Modalku — Southeast Asia’s largest SME digital finance platform — https://fundingsocieties.com * Carro — Online used-car marketplace in Southeast Asia — https://carro.co * ShopBack — Rewards & cashback platform founded by NUS Overseas Colleges alumni — https://www.shopback.com * Lego — Global toy company; referenced via an SME distributor client — https://www.lego.com Consulting, Finance & Tech Firms (Kelvin’s Background & M&A) * Accenture — https://www.accenture.com * McKinsey & Company — https://www.mckinsey.com * KKR (incl. KKR Capstone) — https://www.kkr.com Universities & Entrepreneurship Programs * Harvard Business School — https://www.hbs.edu * National University of Singapore (NUS) — https://www.nus.edu.sg * NUS Overseas Colleges (NOC) — Entrepreneurship program where many SEA founders emerged — https://enterprise.nus.edu.sg/education-programmes/nus-overseas-colleges * University of Pennsylvania — https://www.upenn.edu Fintech, Banking & Ecosystem Players * Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) — Regulator backing early fintech and SFF — https://www.mas.gov.sg * Singapore FinTech Festival — Flagship regional fintech event — https://www.fintechfestival.sg * DBS Bank — First major bank partner for Funding Societies — https://www.dbs.com * SMBC (Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation) — Strategic investor from Japan — https://www.smbc.co.jp * Maybank (Malayan Banking Berhad) — Strategic investor from Malaysia — https://www.maybank.com * Bank Rakyat Indonesia (BRI / BRI Ventures) — Indonesian banking group & investor — https://bri.co.id Investors, VCs & Impact Capital * Alpha JWC Ventures — Early seed investor — https://www.alphajwc.com * Sequoia Capital / Peak XV Partners — Series A backer — https://www.peakxv.com * Cool Japan Fund (CJF) — Japan sovereign wealth fund investing in Funding Societies — https://www.cj-fund.co.jp/en * Norfund — Norwegian development finance institution — https://www.norfund.no Tools, Hiring & Ops Mentioned * Startup Jobs Asia — Early hiring platform Kelvin used — http://www.startupjobs.asia Books & Ideas Referenced * The Hard Thing About Hard Things — Ben Horowitz (on the brutality of startup decisions) * The Philosophy of Money — Classic work on money and human behaviour (title referenced) * “Radical Candor” & Netflix-style feedback cultures — referenced when discussing performance, culture, and how Western management ideas translate (or fail) in Southeast Asia 🎙️ About Asia Tech Lens Produced by Perspective Media (Singapore), Asia Tech Lens explores the technology, trends, and people shaping Asia’s innovation landscape — and its global impact. For enquiries about: * sponsorships or collaboration: partnerships@asiatechlens.com * media or permissions: editor@asiatechlens.com #Fintech #FundingSocieties #KelvinTeo #SMELending #SoutheastAsia #DigitalLending #FintechFounders #AsiaTechLens #FounderStories #SEAStartups This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.asiatechlens.com

    1h 11m
  5. 11/18/2025

    Why Superhexa Is Rethinking AI Glasses

    In this episode of Asia Tech Lens: Founder Stories, we sit down with Guo Jun, Co-Founder of Superhexa — a Beijing-based startup taking one of the boldest approaches in China’s AI hardware boom. Superhexa is betting on an idea most of the industry got wrong. More than 100 Chinese companies have rushed to launch AI glasses in the past 18 months — but most of those devices are too heavy, too hot, have weak battery life, or rely on AI features that don’t match how people actually use glasses. Guo Jun argues the problem isn’t AI at all.The real problem is the glasses. Instead of starting with AI hype, Superhexa spent years perfecting the fundamentals: comfort, weight, all-day battery life, and audio quality. Only once the hardware felt natural — something people could actually wear all day — did they bring AI into the product. And they had to do all of this while navigating China’s most unforgiving consumer market: the Xiaomi ecosystem’s expectations, ODM economics, brutal price competition, creator-driven demand on Douyin and Xiaohongshu, and the constant pressure of competing with giants like OPPO, Vivo, and Huawei. Hosted by Miro Lu, this conversation explores what it takes to survive as a hardware startup in China — where burn rates spike quickly, margins disappear overnight, and one wrong product decision can end the company. 💡What You’ll Hear About * Why most AI glasses fail — and why users won’t wear them * Superhexa’s “subtraction strategy” and audio-first approach * Navigating Xiaomi’s ecosystem, approvals, and expectations * Building 11–12 hours of real battery life * Domestic LLMs vs ChatGPT (and how Superhexa stays model-agnostic) * Why phones still beat glasses for most “AI scenarios” * Competing in China’s hyper-competitive electronics market * Lessons from ODM work, branding battles, and supply-chain realities * High R&D spend, cash pressure, and near-failure moments * The long-term vision for AI wearables — beyond glasses ⏱️ In This Episode 00:00 – “Wrong decision”: the painful origin01:00 – Entering the Xiaomi ecosystem01:42 – What is Superhexa?02:00 – ODM for Xiaomi vs building Jiehuan03:40 – 100+ companies chasing AI glasses04:20 – Why most AI glasses fail05:30 – The subtraction strategy06:24 – Streamlining the Product: Feature Reductions as Strategy07:30 – Domestic LLMs vs ChatGPT09:40 – Why phones still win11:50 – Achieving all-day battery life14:00 – The bigger AI wearables vision15:30 – Hardware economics for startups17:00 – Competing with giants20:40 – China’s consumer electronics intensity22:28 – Global Expansion and China’s Supply Chain Advantage24:20 – Kickstarter / Indiegogo25:30 – Douyin & Xiaohongshu marketing27:00 – Bilibili for tech credibility31:40 – Branding vs product32:02 – Decision Making in Startup Culture34:40 – Surviving as a small team36:00 – Why they skipped visual AR37:47 – Your journey from Xiaomi to Superhexa39:10 – Investor landscape42:12 – Superhexa’s Financing Journey46:00 – What founders underestimate in hardware47:47 – 996, 007 and Juan Culture in Chinese Business47:47 – Attracting and Keeping Talents56:00 – What’s next for Superhexa 📚 References 🎧 Companies / Brands Superhexa – https://www.superhexa.comJiehuan (Superhexa’s in-house brand)Xiaomi – https://www.mi.comOPPO – https://www.oppo.comVivo – https://www.vivo.comHuawei – https://www.huawei.comLuxshare Precision – https://www.luxshare-ict.comZeiss – https://www.zeiss.comThunderbird Innovation – https://rayneo.cn/Ray-Ban Meta – https://www.meta.com/ai-glasses/ray-ban/ 🥽 Products / Categories AI Glasses – https://www.meta.com/ai-glasses/Audio Glasses – https://www.superhexa.comVision Pro – https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-proTWS Earbuds / VR–AR Glasses / AI Wearables 🤖 AI Models & Platforms Xiao Ai – https://www.mi.comChatGPT – https://openai.com/chatgptDomestic Chinese LLMs 🛍️ Crowdfunding Kickstarter – https://www.kickstarter.comIndiegogo – https://www.indiegogo.com 🌐 Content & Social bilibili – https://www.bilibili.comDouyin – https://www.douyin.comXiaohongshu – https://www.xiaohongshu.com 💰 Investors ZhenFund – https://www.zhenfund.comYunqi Partners – https://www.yunqi.vcQiming – https://www.qimingvc.comCCV – https://www.ccvcap.comChuangshi Partners – https://tracxn.com/d/venture-capital/china-creation-ventures 🎙️ About Asia Tech Lens Produced by Perspective Media (Singapore), Asia Tech Lens explores the technology, trends, and people shaping Asia’s innovation landscape — and its global impact. For enquiries about: * sponsorships or collaboration: partnerships@asiatechlens.com * media or permissions: editor@asiatechlens.com This episode was recorded in Mandarin. The video version includes full English subtitles. #AIGlasses #WearableAI #AIWearables #SmartGlasses #AudioGlasses #ChinaTech #HardwareStartups #XiaomiEcosystem #FounderStories #ConsumerHardware #AIHardware #DeepTech #AsiaTech #AsiaTechLens This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.asiatechlens.com

    57 min
  6. 11/11/2025

    Human + AI: Rethinking How Children Learn

    In this episode of Asia Tech Lens: Founder Stories, we sit down with Neo Zhizhong, Co-Founder and CEO of Geniebook — a Singapore-based edtech company using human + AI to personalize how children learn at scale. Geniebook didn’t start as a tech platform. It began as a small tuition centre, teaching students face-to-face. But Neo and his team noticed a pattern: every student learned differently, and every parent needed reassurance that progress was real. Personalisation mattered — but teachers were stretched. Instead of opening more centres, Neo took a leap early: build AI that could adapt to each student, question by question. Today, Geniebook serves 200,000 students across Singapore and Southeast Asia. And Neo believes the future of education isn’t AI replacing teachers — it’s AI giving teachers superpowers. Hosted by Miro Lu, this conversation explores what it takes to build trust in education — where 93% accuracy isn’t good enough, results shape identity, and parents demand evidence, not promises. 💡What You’ll Hear About * Choosing AI over blockchain — and how early conviction defined Geniebook’s roadmap. * Human + AI teaching — why AI handles pace, but teachers handle meaning. * The trust threshold — why parents require 98–99% accuracy, not “close enough.” * The midnight question — when to give a student the answer, and when to guide instead. * Tiger moms and learning cultures — why Singapore and Vietnam shaped Geniebook’s approach. * The 2023–2024 reset — restructuring for sustainability, not hype. * Scaling across Southeast Asia — adapting curriculum and expectations country-by-country. * Leadership and discipline — turning down investor money to stay mission-aligned. ⏱️ In This Episode 00:00 – 93% isn’t enough00:20 – High-stakes exams and Geniebook’s origin01:24 – Why AI, not blockchain02:45 – What is AI education?04:10 – Human + AI teachers: GenieASK and personalized hints06:40 – Accuracy, feedback loops & trusting AI07:47 – Convincing parents08:01 – When to give the answer vs when to teach10:29 – Measuring learning outcomes11:47 – Building long-term trust14:46 – Turning physical into digital15:17 – From centres to platform17:10 – Will AI replace teachers?18:17 – The humans behind the AI19:12 – Expanding into the global market21:12 – Tiger moms & learning cultures27:36 – Inequality and access to AI tools31:10 – “Study companion,” not tutor33:04 – Leadership style & values39:32 – Biggest regret41:29 – Advice to younger self43:48 – What’s next for Geniebook 📚 References Geniebook – Personalized AI learning platformhttps://www.geniebook.com Neo Zhizhong (Neo) on LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/zzneo/ PSLE (Singapore National Exam)https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/psle-fsbb/psle/main.html Singapore Educationhttps://www.moe.gov.sg/education-in-sg/educationsystem Cambridge International Curriculumhttps://www.cambridgeinternational.org/ IB Programme (International Baccalaureate)https://www.ibo.org/ GPT / ChatGPThttps://openai.com/chatgpt Vietnam Ministry of Education & Traininghttps://en.moet.gov.vn/ Asia Tech Lens Newsletterhttps://www.asiatechlens.com Perspective Mediahttps://perspectivemedia.asia 🎙️ About Asia Tech Lens Produced by Perspective Media (Singapore), Asia Tech Lens explores the technology, trends, and people shaping Asia’s innovation landscape — and its global impact. For enquiries about: * sponsorships or collaboration: partnerships@asiatechlens.com * media or permissions: editor@asiatechlens.com #AIinHealthcare #PreventiveAI #DigitalHealth #Mediwhale #KoreaTech #FounderStories #DeepLearning #HealthcareInnovation #StartupJourney #AsiaTechLens This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.asiatechlens.com

    46 min
  7. 11/04/2025

    Lost Vision, Found Mission: How Mediwhale’s AI Sees Disease Before Doctors Can

    In this episode of Asia Tech Lens: Founder Stories, we sit down with Kevin Choi, Co-Founder and CEO of Mediwhale — a Korean healthtech startup using AI to see what doctors can’t. At just 26, Kevin lost half his vision to glaucoma — a silent, asymptomatic disease. Instead of retreating, he turned that diagnosis into a mission: to build an AI system that could prevent others from going through the same. Together with his doctor, he founded Mediwhale, developing deep-learning models that can predict cardiovascular and metabolic risks from a single image of the eye. From publishing in The Lancet Digital Health to persuading skeptical doctors and investors, Kevin’s story is one of persistence, humility, and purpose — a reminder that innovation often starts from personal pain. Hosted by Miro Lu, this conversation explores the human side of AI in medicine: what it means to build trust in a field where precision can save lives. 💡What You’ll Hear About * Losing sight — and finding purpose: how glaucoma inspired Mediwhale’s founding. * Turning the eye into a diagnostic window for heart and metabolic diseases. * Winning doctors’ trust: from rejection to The Lancet Digital Health breakthrough. * “Money is cold”: what Kevin learned from raising US $22 million in tough markets. * Global expansion: why Mediwhale chose the U.S. as its next big leap. * AI beyond ChatGPT: when deep learning sees what humans can’t. * Saving lives in Korea and Dubai — the stories that keep the mission alive. * Leadership lessons: humility, hiring mistakes, and the price of vision. ⏱️ In This Episode 00:00 – The Eye That Started It All01:12 – Your Journey to Mediwhale02:30 – Losing Vision Without Knowing It04:33 – Building a Mission to Prevent “Another Kevin”05:16 – 0 to 1: What Was the Tipping Point?07:50 – From Rejection to Recognition: Publishing in The Lancet10:30 – “Money is Cold”: Raising Capital with Purpose12:32 – Every Market Is Similar? U.S. Expansion and IPO15:16 – The AI Hype18:20 – Healthcare Stakeholders19:41 – Company Culture and Leadership22:31 – East vs West: Business Leadership26:30 – Life-Saving Stories That Prove the Mission28:49 – Your Biggest Mistake? 📚 References Mediwhale – AI retinal diagnostics for cardiovascular and metabolic health.Kevin Choi on LinkedInThe Lancet Digital Health – Peer-reviewed journal publishing Mediwhale’s early findings.Glaucoma — Mayo Clinic OverviewRetinal Imaging (Fundus Photography) — Cleveland ClinicCardiovascular Disease (CVD) — WHO Fact SheetAmerican Society for Preventive Cardiology (ASPC)Perspective MediaAsia Tech Lens Newsletter 🎙️ About Asia Tech Lens Produced by Perspective Media (Singapore), Asia Tech Lens explores the technology, trends, and people shaping Asia’s innovation landscape — and its global impact. For enquiries about: * sponsorships or collaboration: partnerships@asiatechlens.com * media or permissions: editor@asiatechlens.com #AIinHealthcare #PreventiveAI #DigitalHealth #Mediwhale #KoreaTech #FounderStories #DeepLearning #HealthcareInnovation #StartupJourney #AsiaTechLens This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.asiatechlens.com

    33 min
  8. 10/28/2025

    How Squirrel Ai Survived China’s Tutoring Ban | Podcast with Joleen Liang

    In this episode, Dr. Joleen Liang, Co-Founder of Squirrel Ai and CEO of SAI North America, shares how the Shanghai-based edtech went from near-collapse to a global relaunch. From losing almost all revenue to paying off every dollar of debt within two years, hers is a story of persistence, community, and the power of adaptive AI to keep learning alive. Hosted by Miro Lu, this conversation dives deep into what it takes to rebuild under pressure, from redefining “addiction” in education to leading a company as its only female executive. 🔍 Highlights & Key Moments 11:07 - Turning “bad kids” into confident learners 14:49 - Redefining “addicted”: the power of focused learning 17:09 - Rising from the ashes after China’s 2021 crackdown 18:42 - When no one knew AI: winning over parents & teachers Brought To You By: Perspective Media Studios - From broadcast to branded storytelling across Asia.Asia Tech Lens - Independent insights at the intersection of tech, policy & society. 💡What You’ll Hear About * Rising from the ashes: how Squirrel Ai paid off ¥900 million in debt after China’s tutoring ban. * Scaling smart: 3,000+ centers built through a parent-franchise model and why it worked. * Beyond LLMs: what a Large Adaptive Model is and why it beats generative AI in education. * Going global: localizing adaptive learning for the U.S. and Southeast Asia. * Data over intuition: why personalized, adaptive learning outperforms teacher-led instruction. * Leadership under fire: Joleen’s lessons on crisis, trust, and gender balance in tech. ⏱️ In This Episode 0:00 – Meet Squirrel Ai: China’s Edtech Disruptor 01:31 – Joleen Liang’s Student Days & Origin Story 03:27 – Joining Squirrel Ai & the Leap into AI Education 06:29 – Believing in Co-Founder Derek Li’s Vision 07:48 – Why “Squirrel” Ai and what it symbolizes 08:38 – Scaling Up Through Franchise Power 14:49 – The “Addicted” Effect: Kids, AI & Learning 16:48 – China’s Regulatory Earthquake & the Pivot 25:33 – Going Global: Cracking the U.S. Market 30:55 – Standing Out in a Crowded Edtech Arena 33:07 – Leadership, Teamwork & Self-Reliance 42:02 – Choose the Right Way, Even if it is the Hard Way! 📚 References Dr Joleen Liang Derek Haoyang Li Squirrel Ai Learning Dark Horse University China Tutoring Ban Kumon DeepSeek ChatGPT LLM Shanghai Municipal Government Ministry of Education of the People’s Republic of China Generative AI in Education Southeast Asia Education Market Overview Perspective Media Asia Tech Lens Newsletter Chinese Phrases * 学霸 (Xúe Bà) Refers to someone who is academically talented, studious and gets excellent grades in exams. * 双减 (shuāng jiǎn) Policy introduced in 2021 banning after-school tutoring to reduce pressure on primary and secondary school students. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.asiatechlens.com

    44 min
  9. 10/24/2025

    People think AI is the answer…it’s a tool, it’s data!

    Miro Lu sits down with David Isaac Mathews (Founder, AIPath.one) to unpack how an AI-native strategy engine models customers and competitors using a digital-twin approach, runs large-scale strategy simulations to pre-test ideas, and helps teams avoid shipping “busywork.” Check Out The Best Parts: 06:11 - Good Ideas don’t pay the bills 20:43 - AI isn’t overhyped 24:19 - How trust in tech evolves 26:24 - The eternal tech optimist 36:04 - Qualities of a start up founder Brought to you by: Perspective Media Studios - From broadcast to branded storytelling across Asia.Asia Tech Lens - Independent insights at the intersection of tech, policy & society. What You’ll Hear About * AI ≠ magic wand: Why AI multiplies whatever your HR/process already is. * From research to revenue: Connecting customer/competitor insight to build order and ROI. * Simulation at scale: Exploring up to millions of scenarios before committing cash. * Continuous customer discovery: Expectations shift, your strategy must, too. * Asia’s early-stage reality check: Investor caution, market size constraints, and where deeptech fits. * Consulting, reimagined: Service-as-software and lowering the cost of strategy. * Agents in B2B: Clear workflows → delightful automations (and where general agents still struggle). * Trust & privacy drift: Why people already “trust tech over family” and what that means. In this Episode 0:00 - Introducing AIPath.one 03:04 - The “Unemployable” moment that sparked AIPath.one 06:03 - The core problem AIPath.one is trying to solve 06:52 - Why research falls behind: Customers change, competitors improve 12:53 - Negative perceptions of consultants 15:51 - Digital Twins, demystified: customers + competitors in one view 20:32 - Is AI overhyped? Not when used right 24:19 - Trust in technology evolves over time 26:24 - AI is just another type of really useful data 29:37 - Fifth Generation Singaporean? 31:14 - What stakeholders want to see in SEA 33:08 - Inside the start up ecosystem in Singapore 35:46 - Founder traits that matter: Humble, Adaptable, Always Updating 40:22 - What AIPath.one Needs Next References AIPath.one David Isaac Mathews Block 71 Singapore NUS Enterprise IMDA EY-Parthenon Samsung Google OpenAI DeepSeek Microsoft Perspective Media Asia Tech Lens Newsletter This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.asiatechlens.com

    42 min
  10. 10/16/2025

    From “obnoxious” teenager to Carro CEO: Aaron Tan on rewiring SEA’s used-car market

    Miro Lu kicks off our debut episode with Aaron Tan, Co-Founder & CEO of Carro. Check Out The Best Parts * 30:30- Business has no business in politics * 43:13 - His take on the grind culture * 56:45 - What’s next after Carro Brought to you by: Perspective Media Studios - From broadcast to branded storytelling across Asia.Asia Tech Lens - Independent insights at the intersection of tech, policy & society. Aaron Tan is reinventing how cars are bought, financed, insured, and serviced. He started his first company at 13, studied computer science at Carnegie Mellon, and in this conversation unpacks why he bet on used cars, why tariffs make spare parts a once-in-a-decade opportunity, and his counterintuitive philosophy of encouraging people to “come and go” while scaling across the region. What You’ll Hear About: * How a curious teen tearing down his first PC became the operator behind Southeast Asia’s leading auto-tech platform. * The U.S. years that shaped Aaron’s interdisciplinary, hands-on, global lens. * Why used-car buying should be predictable, fair, and trustworthy and how Carro is built for that. * Going public: what it really takes, and when “never say never” to the U.S. makes sense. * AI and agentic automation inside Carro: practical use cases that compound execution. * Grind vs. dedication: his unvarnished take on doing the hard things when it counts. * Leadership longevity: why he doesn’t imagine running Carro forever, and what might come next. Key Discussion Points Early Hustle and Family Influence:At 13, Aaron Tan launched his first business under his grandmother’s name. He was the kid who tore apart computers to see how they worked - then sold what he learned online. His parents were skeptical about “making money on the internet” in the 1990s, but curiosity and stubbornness paid off early. Global Exposure and Interdisciplinary Growth:A scholarship took Tan to Carnegie Mellon, where diverse experiences, from robotics to baking, startup ventures to core computer science, shaped his understanding of AI, cloud computing, and opportunity recognition.​ Those years turned raw curiosity into a method: experiment fast, learn broadly, and connect dots across disciplines. Block 71 and Ecosystem Building:Back in Singapore in 2010, his first assignment as a government scholar was to revive a derelict building nicknamed Ground Zero. Partnering with NUS Enterprise, the IDA, and early tenants like Intel, he turned it into a startup hub and coined the name Block 71 to celebrate density and community over flash. Carro’s Unique Market Strategy:Aaron saw opportunity where others saw distrust - the used-car trade. He built Carro around transparency, pricing data, and integrated services spanning financing, insurance, and after-sales care. Early missteps in market expansion taught him how local nuance can make or break scaling. Trust became Carro’s moat and data was how they earned it. Culture, Team-Building, and Leadership:Aaron champions what he calls “007 energy” not endless hours, but intensity when it counts. He believes in letting great people leave, learn, and return stronger. As Carro passed 5,000 employees, he shifted focus from hierarchy to trust and alignment. “I always encourage people to come and go.” AI, Automation, and Technology:Long before today’s AI wave, Carro was using machine learning to inspect cars through vision and acoustics, set prices, and analyze customer sentiment. Automation now powers back-office work and boosts sales productivity. Tan emphasizes building on existing models rather than reinventing them and sees AI reshaping operations across Asia. Generosity, and Giving Back:Having faced early legal setbacks, Aaron says money should circulate — not accumulate. “Money is like fertilizer — it only works when you spread it around.” He invests in founders who’ve failed before, backs employees through rough patches, and sees mentorship as a multiplier for the entire ecosystem. Personal Habits, Networks, and Ten-Year Vision:Between angel investments and a doctorate in AI, Aaron still finds time to hike and reset. He keeps a diverse network of advisors and investors for perspective. He doesn’t picture retirement - just the next target. “I don’t imagine myself running Carro for the rest of my life.” In This Episode: 00:00 - Introducing Aaron Tan 01:17 - Fast Focus - Rapid fire insights from Aaron Tan 01:59 - How it began - “I started his first company when I was thirteen.” 04:41 - “I think for lack of a better word, before I was 21…I think the word obnoxious is probably true.” 07:37 - The Carnegie Mellon days 08:50 - Campus entrepreneur: Building a company with a professor 13:35 - Building Singapore’s startup ecosystem and naming Block 71 20:22 - Why he chose cars over real estate 27:37 - Lessons from scaling across Asia 27:54 - Hiring Right: The people you need on the team 30:15 - Geopolitics: His take 30:30 - “I generally believe that businessmen and politicians should stay away from each other.” 31:41 - Tariffs & Opportunity: A good time to be in the spare parts business 32:20 - “Never Say Never” to heading to the U.S. 33:03 - What it takes to go public 34:46 - AI and agentic automation inside Carro 39:00 - People and Culture 40:19 - Talent Mobility: “Always encourage people to come and go” 43:13 - “When push comes to shove, when you have projects that need you to sleep in the office, you jolly well do that...because this is simply put being dedicated and being motivated to do your job.” 44:44 - Giving back and investing in others 49:32 - The people in his corner 52:18 - Lessons from the journey 56:45 - “I don’t imagine myself running Carro for the rest of my life.” *This episode was recorded on 18 September 2025 More About Aaron Tan & Carro: Carro Aaron Tan on LinkedIn References: * Cool Japan Fund * Block 71 Singapore * NUS Enterprise * IMDA * Singtel * Carnegie Mellon University * Softbank * Temasek * Baidu * Alibaba * Tencent * Magnificent Seven * Arista Networks * Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) * Mitsubishi * Jardine C&C * Zeekr * Hong Kong PolyU AI Program * Perspective Media * Asia Tech Lens Newsletter Chinese Phrases * 三岁看到老 (sān sùi kàn dào lǎo) At three, you can see the old.Meaning: A person’s character or tendencies show very early; early habits foreshadow who they’ll become. * 鹬蚌相争 (yù bàng xiāng zhēng) A fight between a snipe and a clam. Meaning: Two sides locked in conflict hurt each other, letting a third party reap the benefit. * 996 (jiǔ jiǔ liù) Meaning: Chinese work-schedule slang: 9 a.m.–9 p.m., 6 days a week, common in some tech/startup firms. * 卷 (juǎn) Meaning: “to over-compete / overwork” in a zero-sum, pressure-cooker way; everyone piles on effort for diminishing returns. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.asiatechlens.com

    58 min

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