A Certain Amount of Madness Podcast

Dr. Mamka Anyona

A Podcast dedicated to independent, fact-based analysis and commentary on a diverse range of political and economic issues affecting the African continent. Hosted by Dr. Mamka Anyona Grounded. Unfiltered. Informative

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    Can Kenya Build a Modern Economy Without Industrialization? | Francis Agar

    In this episode, Dr. Mamka is joined by Francis Agar, a nuclear and quantum engineer and director at Kenya’s Nuclear Power and Energy Agency (NuPEA), for a frank and wide-ranging conversation about what industrialization actually means, how Kenya’s industrial trajectory was shaped by colonialism and structural adjustment, and what it would take to build an economy that produces what it consumes. From the need to protect local industries and develop domestic production to the foundations of an industrial base built around food, shelter, and clothing, we interrogate the political choices shaping Kenya’s economic future. Why do countries that industrialized through protection and subsidies preach free trade to others? Why are Kenya’s industrial, energy, and technology policies disconnected? And where is the long-term vision for building the productive capacity this country needs? With the draft policy open for public participation, these are questions Kenyans must engage with. Read the policy, attend a public participation session, and help shape the debate over what Kenya’s industrial future should look like. Read the draft policy in full RESOURCES Book: Engineering the Transformation of African Agriculture - Lawrence Gumbe & Dave Anyona Kanundu Book: Bad Samaritans The case against free-trade dogma the guilty secrets if rich nations & the threat to global prosperity Ha-Joon Chang Film: Parasite 🎧 Subscribe for more conversations that historicize the present and center African voices. Timestamps: 0:00 – Introduction 2:30 – What is industrialization, really? 7:45 – Kenya's colonial economy & the settler model 13:20 – Post-independence import substitution & its collapse 19:00 – Structural adjustment & the World Bank's "bad faith" 25:30 – Why service-sector development fails 31:15 – South Korea: industrialization without vertical integration 37:40 – The draft industrial policy: a brutal critique 44:00 – Leather by 2063? The failure of imagination 49:30 – What Kenya should do: vertical integration & the industrial base 56:10 – Protectionism, subsidies & the hypocrisy of the West 1:02:00 – Final thoughts & how to participate

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A Podcast dedicated to independent, fact-based analysis and commentary on a diverse range of political and economic issues affecting the African continent. Hosted by Dr. Mamka Anyona Grounded. Unfiltered. Informative