Loving Differently Podcast

Dr. Kenneth Critchfield and Dr. Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky
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The Loving Differently Podcast is a podcast created by two licensed clinical psychologists who are leading practitioners of Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy, known as IRT for short. In this podcast, Drs. Critchfield and Stucker-Rozovsky unpack the theory and practice of IRT, showing how IRT offers a novel way to work in psychotherapy towards unlearning maladaptive ("Red") patterns and building up their adaptive, growth-oriented ("Green") self. We discuss ways that psychological symptoms can be thought of as a love story gone wrong and how we can learn to love differently.

  1. Jun 8

    Trailer

    Welcome to Loving Differently, a podcast co-hosted by Drs. Ken Critchfield and Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky.

    2 min

  2. Jun 3

    Episode 012 - Narcissistic and Antisocial Personality Disorders Through an IRT Lens

    Summary: In Episode 12 of the Loving Differently Podcast, Dr. Kenneth Critchfield, Ph.D., and Dr. Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky, Psy.D., continue their Personality Harmonics series with a deep dive into Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASD) through the lens of Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT). Rather than treating DSM-5 personality disorders as flat labels, Ken and Eliza explore how these patterns can be understood as developmental and relational adaptations. This episode walks through the prototypic pattern, developmental histories, and exclusionary and inclusionary criteria for both NPD and ASD. This episode is especially relevant for clinicians working with trauma, interpersonal patterns, personality disorders, and challenging therapeutic alliances. It offers an IRT-informed way to hold empathy and accountability together while thinking carefully about case formulation, therapist adherence, and treatment timing. Note: The Loving Differently Podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. The content discussed in each episode is not a substitute for professional mental health care, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship with either of the hosts. If you are experiencing psychological distress, relationship difficulties, or a mental health emergency, please seek support from a licensed mental health provider in your area or contact your local emergency services. Subscribe for more IRT-focused discussions. Send us your questions at lovingdifferentlypodcast@gmail.com. Timestamps: 00:00 LDP Episode 012 final 02:39 Narcissistic Personality Disorder Overview 08:23 NPD Developmental History 30:26 IRT Treatment Approach for NPD 48:13 Antisocial Personality Disorder 57:28 ASPD Developmental History 01:09:36 IRT Treatment Approach for ASPD 01:21:21 Wrap-Up & What's Next

    1h 24m

  3. May 8

    Episode 011 - Interpersonal Harmonics Mini Series Ep 3 - Histrionic Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder

    Summary: This episode continues our personality disorder prototype series by exploring histrionic personality disorder (HPD) and its relationship to borderline personality disorder (BPD) through an Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT) lens. Clinical Psychologists Ken and Eliza examine how both patterns center around fears of abandonment, but diverge in how individuals attempt to meet those needs—highlighting coercive dependency in HPD and shifting relational dynamics in BPD. The episode also addresses gendered assumptions in diagnosis and the importance of case formulation over labels. Clinicians will gain a deeper understanding of how interpersonal patterns develop, how they present in therapy, and how to respond without reinforcing maladaptive cycles. This discussion offers practical insight into working with personality disorders in a way that is compassionate, nuanced, and clinically effective within an IRT framework. If you like this episode, please subscribe, like, and share with your friends. Let us know what you want to hear us talk about in future episodes - we are listening! Check out the ⁠IRT Institute ⁠website for more information on IRT, including training for mental health professionals. We have also created an ⁠episode guide⁠ that gives more detailed information about each episode. Note: The Loving Differently Podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. The content discussed in each episode is not a substitute for professional mental health care, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist–client relationship with either of the hosts. If you are experiencing psychological distress, relationship difficulties, or a mental health emergency, please seek support from a licensed mental health provider in your area or contact your local emergency services. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to the series and rationale 02:30 Framing personality disorders through IRT and SASB 05:00 Overview of borderline personality dynamics 08:00 Introducing histrionic personality disorder 12:00 DSM vs interpersonal understanding 16:00 Developmental history of histrionic patterns 21:00 Similarities and differences between HPD and BPD 27:00 Clinical implications and therapy dynamics 35:00 Countertransference and therapist awareness 45:00 Closing thoughts and preview of next episode References: for specific references

    53 min

  4. May 1

    Episode 010 - Interpersonal Harmonics Mini-Series Ep 2 - Borderline and Passive Aggressive Personality Disorders

    Summary: In Episode 010, we (Dr. Ken Critchfield and Dr. Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky, licensed clinical psychologists) continue our personality prototype series through the lens of Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT). We focus on borderline personality disorder (BPD) and passive-aggressive patterns, exploring how developmental trauma and complex interpersonal learning shape enduring patterns seen in DSM-5 personality disorders.We unpack core IRT concepts such as complex codes, copy processes, and the “gift of love,” illustrating how interpersonal patterns—like fear of abandonment, coercive care-seeking, and self-sabotage—develop and persist. We also examine how developmental trauma contributes to paradoxical dynamics (e.g., love paired with fear, autonomy paired with punishment), and how these patterns play out in therapy.This episode is designed for clinicians seeking a deeper, formulation-driven understanding of personality disorders beyond symptom checklists. We emphasize how recognizing interpersonal patterns can guide more effective, compassionate treatment.If you like this episode, please subscribe, like, and share with your friends. Let us know what you want to hear us talk about in future episodes - we are listening! Check out the ⁠IRT Institute ⁠website for more information on IRT, including training for mental health professionals. We have also created an ⁠episode guide⁠ that gives more detailed information about each episode. Note: The Loving Differently Podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. The content discussed in each episode is not a substitute for professional mental health care, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist–client relationship with either of the hosts. If you are experiencing psychological distress, relationship difficulties, or a mental health emergency, please seek support from a licensed mental health provider in your area or contact your local emergency services. Timestamps: 0:00 — Intro1:35 — Episode Introduction1:38 — Personality Prototype Series Overview3:34 — Understanding Complex Codes5:50 — BPD Interpersonal Summary7:12 — BPD Developmental History25:33 — BPD Necessary & Exclusionary Conditions42:47 — Transition to Passive-Aggressive PD43:35 — Passive-Aggressive PD Overview48:38 — Passive-Aggressive Interpersonal Summary1:03:45 — Passive-Aggressive Treatment Approach1:13:40 — BPD vs. Passive-Aggressive: Comparing Patterns1:19:15 — ClosingReferences:

    1h 20m

  5. Mar 18

    Episode 009 - Interpersonal Harmonics Mini Series Ep 1 - Avoidant, Dependent, and Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorders

    In this episode, Ken Critchfield, PhD and Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky, PsyD begin a new miniseries on Interpersonal Harmonics—a core concept in Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT)—by exploring Cluster C personality disorders through an interpersonal lens. We walk through avoidant, dependent, and obsessive-compulsive personality patterns, highlighting how these presentations extend beyond DSM-5 symptom lists into deeply rooted interpersonal patterns shaped by developmental trauma and learning histories. Using SASB-informed thinking and copy process theory, we examine how early caregiving environments shape internal self-criticism, fears of rejection or incompetence, and rigid perfectionism. Throughout the episode, we emphasize a central IRT principle: these are not “disordered people,” but adaptive love stories gone wrong. By understanding the interpersonal logic behind these patterns, clinicians can move beyond diagnosis toward meaningful case formulation and compassionate, effective treatment. Note: The Loving Differently Podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. The content discussed in each episode is not a substitute for professional mental health care, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist–client relationship. Timestamps (00:00) – Launching the Interpersonal Harmonics miniseries (02:00) – Why Cluster C personality patterns first (04:30) – Avoidant personality: beyond anxiety (06:30) – Fear of rejection, humiliation, and longing for connection (09:00) – Developmental origins and criticism (17:30) – Therapy stance with avoidant patients (43:30) – Transition to dependent personality (45:00) – Developmental pathways to dependency (52:00) – DSM vs interpersonal patterns in dependency (01:01:00) – Transition to obsessive-compulsive personality (01:03:00) – Perfectionism and fear of imperfection (01:08:00) – Living in the courtroom (01:14:00) – Therapy stance for OCPD (01:24:00) – Experiencing life beyond perfectionism (01:28:30) – Summary of Cluster C

    1h 36m

  6. Season 1, Episode 8 Trailer

    Episode 008 - Highlight Reel

    Check out episode 008 where we review an upcoming publication and its implications. Paper referenced: Panizo, M. T., Harrison, E. G., & Critchfield, K. L. (in press, 2026). Interpersonal Diagnosis of Personality Disorders: Explaining Comorbidity and Enhancing Clinical Relevance. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration.

    5 min

  7. Jan 4

    Episode 008 - Personality Disorder through an Interpersonal Lens – Validating Lorna Benjamin’s Approach

    Summary In this episode of the Loving Differently Podcast, we (Dr. Ken Critchfield and Dr. Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky) dive into a newly accepted paper examining the interpersonal diagnosis of personality disorders through the lens of Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT). Using the SASB model, we explore how longstanding debates in the DSM-5—categorical versus dimensional models of personality disorder—can be reframed through interpersonal patterns and developmental histories.We discuss how personality disorders are best understood not as fixed traits, but as learned relational strategies that once served adaptive purposes in difficult environments. Drawing on empirical findings from Panizo et al. (2025), we examine interpersonal hostility, comorbidity, and how overlapping personality disorder features emerge naturally when viewed dimensionally. We also explore how interpersonal case formulation offers clinicians greater empathy, specificity, and hope for change.Throughout the episode, we connect theory to clinical practice—highlighting how IRT helps clinicians move beyond symptom management toward helping patients reconstruct deeply ingrained relational patterns rooted in developmental trauma. We also preview an upcoming series focused on specific personality disorder prototypes and their interpersonal harmonics.Send us your questions at lovingdifferentlypodcast@gmail.com and subscribe for more IRT-focused discussions.Note: The Loving Differently Podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. The content discussed in each episode is not a substitute for professional mental health care, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist–client relationship with either of the hosts. If you are experiencing psychological distress, relationship difficulties, or a mental health emergency, please seek support from a licensed mental health provider in your area or contact your local emergency services. Timestamps (00:00) – Introduction and context for the Panizo et al. paper (02:30) – Why personality disorders remain a central clinical challenge (05:00) – Categorical vs dimensional models in the DSM-5 (08:30) – How SASB conceptualizes interpersonal patterns (12:00) – Developmental trauma and adaptive origins of personality patterns (16:00) – Interpersonal hostility as a core feature of personality disorders (20:00) – Understanding comorbidity through interpersonal overlap (25:00) – Five interpersonal clusters identified in the research (32:00) – Clinical implications of interpersonal diagnosis (40:00) – Hope, change, and reconstruction in IRT (48:00) – Bridging DSM language with interpersonal case formulation (55:00) – Preview of upcoming personality disorder series (63:00) – Final reflections on empathy and clinical relevance

    1h 8m

  8. Season 1, Episode 8 Trailer

    Year-End Thanks, Merch, and What We’re Working On

    In this short update, we (Ken and Eliza) wanted to pause and say thank you to everyone who has listened to Loving Differently this year. When we started the podcast, we genuinely didn’t know if anyone would be listening — and the thoughtful feedback, engagement, and curiosity from clinicians and learners alike has meant more to us than we can easily put into words. We also share a quick update about our limited merch campaign, which was created to help support the podcast as we upgraded our recording setup and production quality. From mugs to t-shirts and totes, we wanted to offer items that were genuinely well-made and meaningful — things we’d actually want to use ourselves — as a small way of saying thanks while also covering some of the real costs of running the podcast. Link to merch: https://linktr.ee/irtinstitute Finally, we give a preview of what’s coming next on Loving Differently, including upcoming episodes on personality disorder, personality measurement, and the SASB interpersonal framework, as well as deeper clinical conversations grounded in Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT) and the work of Lorna Benjamin. We’re also beginning to plan more in-depth IRT training opportunities and workshops for those who want to go further. Send us your questions at lovingdifferentlypodcast@gmail.com and subscribe to this podcast for more IRT-focused discussions. Note: The Loving Differently Podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. The content discussed is not a substitute for professional mental health care, diagnosis, or treatment, and listening does not create a therapist–client relationship. Timestamps (00:00) – Ken and Eliza share a quick update and say thank you (00:35) – Why we launched the merch campaign and upgraded our recording (01:15) – What the merch means to us and why we chose quality items (02:05) – Gratitude for listeners and feedback over the past year (02:45) – How long the merch campaign runs and what happens next (03:05) – Upcoming episodes on personality disorder and SASB (03:35) – Future plans for IRT training and workshops (04:00) – Holiday wishes and closing thanks

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The Loving Differently Podcast is a podcast created by two licensed clinical psychologists who are leading practitioners of Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy, known as IRT for short. In this podcast, Drs. Critchfield and Stucker-Rozovsky unpack the theory and practice of IRT, showing how IRT offers a novel way to work in psychotherapy towards unlearning maladaptive ("Red") patterns and building up their adaptive, growth-oriented ("Green") self. We discuss ways that psychological symptoms can be thought of as a love story gone wrong and how we can learn to love differently.

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  • Creator
    Dr. Kenneth Critchfield and Dr. Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    15
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Dr. Kenneth Critchfield and Dr. Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky
  • Show Website
    Loving Differently Podcast