The Bitcoin Boomers

Gary Leland, Bob Burnett, Lawrence Lepard, George Bodine & Mel Sands

Is it too late to buy Bitcoin in 2026? Bitcoin investing over 40 and how much Bitcoin do you need? Is .01 enough Bitcoin? The Bitcoin Boomers answer the questions normal people are searching for, in plain English. Bob Burnett, Larry Lepard, Gary Leland, and George Bodine bring 100+ combined years in finance, technology, and Bitcoin mining to one conversation. Bitcoin for beginners, Bitcoin and retirement, how much to own, ETF vs. holding the actual coin, self-custody and keeping it safe, what it's backed by, inflation, the national debt, sound money, gold, and mining. No trading signals no Bitcoin price prediction. Just honest answers from people who've been in the arena. New episodes regularly. Produced in partnership @ProtocolPulse. Subscribe and hit the bell so you don't miss one. Gary Leland is a Hall of Fame podcaster and founder of BitBlockBoom, the first Bitcoin conference in the United States. Lawrence Lepard is a macro investor and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett is the former Fortune 200 CTO of Gateway Computers and a Bitcoin mining entrepreneur. George Bodine is Mel Sands is creator and producer. Every episode they break down what actually moves your money: Bitcoin as sound money, inflation and lost purchasing power, retirement risk, Bitcoin mining and energy, monetary policy, debt cycles, and why the financial playbook you grew up on stopped working. If you are protecting your savings, rethinking retirement, or trying to understand the biggest money shift of your lifetime, this is the conversation for you. Plain language. No jargon. No price predictions. Subscribe, leave a review, and join the conversation.

  1. 1d ago

    Can a Bitcoiner Live to 200? (Larry Says No)

    Gary Leland wants to be the first person to live to 200. larry lepard thinks he's nuts. bob burnett explains why your life insurance policy gives up at 121 and what happens if you don't. chapters 0:00 cold open: "i want to be the first person to live to 200" 0:56 welcome to bitcoin boomers 1:54 larry: "i think you're nuts" 3:24 longevity escape velocity (kurzweil) 5:39 if i make it to 200, i'll make it to 1,000 5:48 sazmining 6:45 the two reasons people don't want to live to 200 9:17 why bitcoiners are into longevity 10:48 aging 10 months a year 11:07 gary's blood markers: 72 to 56 11:42 stem cells in argentina 12:49 bitcoin in your hsa 15:37 airbags for toddlers 16:54 kurzweil: always right, never on time 18:37 your life insurance gives up at 121 19:50 swan 21:38 larry: "i want to be around to see the central banks fail" 22:28 coal miners and 200-year careers 23:12 hard labor is going away 24:20 the retirement fallacy 24:58 you need a purpose 25:41 piña coladas and diminishing returns 26:05 ledn 27:27 five feet ahead in a mile race 30:04 the waves: 90, 115, 140 31:00 outro hosts bob burnett @boomer_btc larry lepard @LawrenceLepard gary leland @GaryLeland · garyleland.com thebitcoinboomers.com mining roi varies. nothing here is financial advice. The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.

  2. Sep 24

    Ocean's New Chairman on Why Luke Dashjr Left

    Bob Burnett was named executive chairman of Ocean on September 1st, three days after Luke Dashjr resigned. In this episode he explains what actually happened, why he thinks the BIP-110 push was never going to work, and why he doesn't think the people behind it are villains. Larry Lepard argues this isn't the Wild West anymore. Bob argues Bitcoin is crossing the chasm and a lot of companies built for the early era are about to hit a wall. They disagree about almost none of it and still manage to spend twenty five minutes on it. Gary Leland keeps score. George Bodine is absent. CHAPTERS 00:00 Somebody is trying to be king 00:46 Bob is chairman of Ocean now 01:15 Congratulations, allegedly 01:33 Three good years and a divorce 02:49 Every company hits a wall 03:28 Ledn 03:58 Cold Card, Blockstream, and the chasm 04:46 Geoffrey Moore, 1991 05:09 Innovators, early adopters, the early majority 07:04 Why they asked Bob to run it 08:23 A lot of flame outs 09:06 This isn't the wild west anymore 09:37 Lumpy but better 10:44 Sazmining 11:11 What is Bitcoin, exactly 13:01 Suspending the subsidy 13:26 Rules, not rulers 13:47 A pool's job is to serve miners 15:33 The marketplace decides 16:27 Don Quixote tilting at windmills 17:08 There will be suits 19:39 Pick your villain 20:11 Swan 21:01 What happens at Ocean next 21:37 Reserve judgment 22:59 Luke calls the old chain spam coin 23:50 What is a woman 24:25 I'm going to fire the miners 25:41 Kryder's law and the node problem 26:27 It's pretty f*****g good 26:56 Roger that SPONSORS Swan — swan.com/boomers, code BOOMERS Ledn — ledn.io/boomers. Bitcoin-backed borrowing involves interest, custody and liquidation risk. Sazmining — sazmining.com/boomers, code BOOMERS. Mining ROI varies. Larry @LawrenceLepard · Bob @boomer_btc · Gary @GaryLeland The show @bitcoinboomers None of this is advice. We're three guys who bought it early and still argue about it. The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.

  3. Sep 10

    What Actually Backs Bitcoin?

    "Not today you don't." The Boomers open with the question every holder secretly googles — do you owe taxes on Bitcoin you never sold? — and the answer detours through gold teeth, seventeen nuclear aircraft carriers, and Larry calmly explaining why he thinks this asset goes to a million dollars… then ten. Bob puts a number on the network nobody can picture (900 exahashes — more raw computation than every supercomputer on Earth combined), George explains why that's "the magic of Bitcoin," and then the fork question lands: what actually happened at block 961,632 when BIP-110 tried to split the chain — and why one side kept mining forever while the other managed two blocks. Lightning-round episode: taxes, hashrate, gold vs Bitcoin, the 50% drawdown rule, estate planning without losing your keys, and one bonus question that gets a very honest answer. Larry Lepard, Bob Burnett, and George Bodine hold the couch — Gary Leland sits this one out (he'll be back). CHAPTERS 00:00 — Cold Open 00:50 — Do I Pay Taxes on Bitcoin If I Don't Sell? 02:21 — Swan (sponsor) 03:01 — Gold vs Bitcoin: Which Do You Trust? 04:29 — 900 Exahashes & 17 Aircraft Carriers 06:51 — Sazmining (sponsor) 07:25 — What Backs Bitcoin? 10:12 — Sleeping Through 50% Drawdowns 14:33 — Ledn (sponsor) 15:01 — Bonus: The BIP-110 Fork at Block 961,632 The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Swan, Invest in Bitcoin: https://www.swan.com/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.

  4. Sep 3

    I Was Wrong About Coldcard. And BIP110 Failed.

    George Bodine recommended Coldcard on this show. Then the firmware flaw hit, and he got on the phone. In this episode he apologizes on camera, walks through moving his own funds, and the Boomers dig into what the incident really teaches about self-custody, trade-offs, and trust. Then, for the first time, George addresses BIP110's failure head-on: what went wrong, who's stepped away, and what it means to lose a battle without going home. 0:00 Cold Open 1:19 Welcome: Post-Coldcard, Post-BIP110 1:44 George's Coldcard Apology 3:52 Self-Custody Is Accountability 5:53 Ledn 6:30 Democratic Socialism & Doing the Work 9:57 Saylor, The Mandibles & Custodial Risk 11:39 Eggs, Baskets & the FDR Clue 12:29 Germany, Timing & the 75–80 Day Window 14:02 "President AOC" & Confiscation Talk 15:08 Sazmining 15:47 Trust & the Seed Phrase Question 18:05 Fathers, Values & Low Time Preference 22:41 Advice to Young Bitcoiners 23:36 BIP110 Post-Mortem 25:44 What Bitcoin Must Be for 200 Years 27:21 The Quantum Question & How Bitcoin Changes 30:55 Sign-Off Also in this episode: the democratic socialism polling, the 75–80 day window between an election and taking office, the FDR precedent, buckets and baskets, why these three trust each other with more than lunch money, and what Bitcoin has to be to last 200 years. Larry Lepard · Bob Burnett · George Bodine (filling in for Gary Leland) Sponsors: Ledn — bitcoin-backed loans. ledn.io/boomers (Bitcoin-backed borrowing involves interest, custody and liquidation risk.) Sazmining — own the machine that mines it. sazmining.com/boomers (Mining results vary. Power and setup billed separately.) The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Bitcoin Well, self-custody made simple: https://bitcoinwell.com Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Bitcoin #BitcoinForBeginners #BitcoinBoomers Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.

  5. Aug 27

    The Fed Is Trapped. Bitcoin Won’t Stay Here.

    The Treasury Secretary said "whatever it takes" for the yen. The Fed has a facility that can hand Japan $60 billion with a keystroke, and Bessent says it might not be enough. Larry Lepard walks through what FIMA is, why gold moved 7% in three days, why gold stocks had their biggest week in 18 years, and why he thinks Wall Street still doesn't understand that they can never stop printing. Also: the 10 year red line, yield curve control, Silicon Valley Bank as a preview of a phase change, why the ETF holders aren't the paper hands everyone expected, and Larry's number for the next high. Bob Burnett and George Bodine ask the questions. Gary Leland is on vacation. He will be back in the future. 00:00 Cold open\ 00:42 Titles\ 00:47 Gary is on vacation\ 01:05 Bessent steps in for the yen\ 02:13 FIMA, the Fed's $60B printer for Japan\ 03:25 We're going to need a bigger boat\ 03:32 Gold moves 7% in three days\ 04:46 Jackson Hole and the rate hike odds collapse\ 05:59 The run it hot strategy\ 06:27 The 10 year red line\ 07:54 Bob's questions: bills, twist, buying time\ 08:20 This is what a third world country does\ 08:30 Bessent broke the Bank of England\ 10:23 Yield curve control\ 11:04 The $6.6T balance sheet\ 11:40 BTFP, buy the \__\_ paper\ 11:55 Gromen's negative 14% real rate\ 13:21 Gold up 65%, silver up 400%\ 13:54 Phase change\ 14:09 Silicon Valley Bank\ 15:04 Gold up $500 in a day\ 15:57 Bob's Bitcoin question\ 17:06 A hawkish Fed is just like DOGE\ 18:03 Fire in the theater\ 18:36 George: Bitcoin is in competition\ 19:15 70 gigawatts\ 19:46 Swan\ 20:24 A billion into the ETFs\ 21:01 ETF shares only down 10%\ 22:06 One side of the rowboat\ 22:27 The next high: 180 to 250\ 22:34 Sign off THIS EPISODE'S SPONSORS Swan. Set an amount, set a day, and it buys bitcoin for you. [swan.com/boomers](http://swan.com/boomers), code BOOMERS. Ledn. Borrow dollars against your bitcoin. What are they allowed to do with your bitcoin while it's there? Nothing. [ledn.io/boomers](http://ledn.io/boomers). Bitcoin-backed borrowing involves interest, custody and liquidation risk. Sazmining. A bitcoin miner that's yours. You own the machine, they run it, what it mines goes to your wallet. [sazmining.com/boomers](http://sazmining.com/boomers). THE BOOMERS\ Larry Lepard, author of The Big Print: [x.com/LawrenceLepard](http://x.com/LawrenceLepard)Bob Burnett: [x.com/boomerbtc](http://x.com/boomerbtc)George Bodine: [x.com/Jethroe111](http://x.com/Jethroe111)Gary Leland: [x.com/garyleland](http://x.com/garyleland) Show: [x.com/btcboomers](http://x.com/btcboomers) Nothing here is financial advice. Three guys who should be retired, arguing about money. The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Bitcoin Well, self-custody made simple: https://bitcoinwell.com Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Bitcoin #BitcoinForBeginners #BitcoinBoomers Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.

  6. Aug 20

    Coldcard Had One Job

    George Bodine woke up at 5am, saw the Coldcard news, and drove through the dark with shaking hands to move his Bitcoin before someone else could. He made it. Others lost everything. In the August episode, Bob Burnett, Larry Lepard, and George Bodine break down what actually went wrong inside Coldcard — the "one in a quadrillion" collisions their own support line saw, why the seed phrases were hiding in a drop of water instead of the universe, and what a former fighter pilot's checklist discipline looks like when your stack is on the line. Then: the BIP110 chain split is real. Bob explains why Barefoot Mining stopped signaling in June, what the four-block fork means, why the next upgrade will need exchanges, treasuries, and Wall Street to agree — and what to do if you get airdropped the fork coin. Self-custody was the whole point. Is it still? Not financial advice. Do your own research. ⏱️ CHAPTERS 00:00 Cold open 01:39 Welcome: the August edition 02:36 Who got hit: George's 5am drive 05:19 A word from Swan 05:56 Is the ETF the better option? 07:02 Bob's view: what Coldcard actually did 08:23 One in a quadrillion 09:15 Hide and seek in a drop of water 11:05 Entropy 101 14:28 Proving randomness & Chaos Enterprises 17:24 The future of self-custody 19:06 Larry's answer: Fidelity 20:07 The air-gap mistake & Trezor 21:45 "One bad company": answering the normies 23:02 The 6102 threat 27:42 Why wallets are built wrong 30:18 A word from Sazmining 30:51 One job 32:11 How to vet a Bitcoin company 34:45 The chain split is real 36:52 George: you don't leave people behind 38:06 Larry's verdict on BIP110 41:10 Bob's call with Brink 43:38 What it takes to change Bitcoin 44:15 Airdrop advice & sign-off 🟧 OUR SPONSORS Swan — Bitcoin only, self-custody at your pace, from Swan Sovereign to Swan Vault: swanbitcoin.com (code BOOMERS) Sazmining — own a Bitcoin miner on renewable energy, sats straight to your wallet: sazmining.com/boomers (code BOOMERS) Ledn — borrow against your Bitcoin without selling: Ledn.io/boomers The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Swan - Bitcoin only, self-custody at your pace, from Swan Sovereign to Swan Vault: swanbitcoin.com Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Bitcoin #BitcoinForBeginners #BitcoinBoomers Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.

  7. Aug 13

    What is The Difference Between Bitcoin and Trump Coin?

    What happens to your Bitcoin when you die? Can the government freeze or seize it? Could quantum computers break Bitcoin? And why is Bitcoin down while stocks are sitting near record highs? In this episode of The Bitcoin Boomers, Larry Lepard, Bob Burnett and George break down five of the biggest questions Bitcoin holders are asking right now. They dig into self-custody, multisig, inheritance planning, wrench attacks, AI-powered social engineering, Executive Order 6102, government confiscation risk, Bitcoin mining, non-KYC Bitcoin, quantum computing, Bitcoin’s relationship to global liquidity, the current drawdown, long-term holder capitulation, and why Bitcoin should never be confused with the broader crypto industry. They also tackle a much bigger question: What actually makes Bitcoin worth protecting? From the invention of digital scarcity to a monetary network that no government, CEO or company controls, this conversation gets to the heart of why Bitcoin is fundamentally different. 00:00 The five questions 00:44 Q1: What happens to my Bitcoin when I die? 02:05 A word from Swan 02:38 Wrench attacks, AI scams, and multi-sig 07:28 Q2: Can the government take or freeze my Bitcoin? 08:25 Executive Order 6102, the 1933 precedent 14:20 A word from Sazmining: The Hash Stash 14:48 Mining non-KYC Bitcoin 16:33 Q3: Will quantum computers break Bitcoin? 20:23 Q4: Why is Bitcoin down while stocks are at highs? 24:04 A word from Ledn 25:04 Q5: $10,000 in Trump coin vs Bitcoin Topics include: • What happens to your Bitcoin when you die • Self-custody, multisig and inheritance • Can the government seize Bitcoin? • Executive Order 6102 and the history of gold confiscation • Why counterparty risk matters • Mining Bitcoin directly • Quantum computing and Bitcoin security • Why Bitcoin is lagging stocks • Bitcoin and global liquidity • Why the current drawdown may represent opportunity • Bitcoin vs. Trump Coin and the broader crypto market • Why Bitcoin is a “zero-to-one” monetary invention This episode is for educational and informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, legal or investment advice. The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Bitcoin Well, self-custody made simple: https://bitcoinwell.com Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Bitcoin #BitcoinForBeginners #BitcoinBoomers Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.

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Is it too late to buy Bitcoin in 2026? Bitcoin investing over 40 and how much Bitcoin do you need? Is .01 enough Bitcoin? The Bitcoin Boomers answer the questions normal people are searching for, in plain English. Bob Burnett, Larry Lepard, Gary Leland, and George Bodine bring 100+ combined years in finance, technology, and Bitcoin mining to one conversation. Bitcoin for beginners, Bitcoin and retirement, how much to own, ETF vs. holding the actual coin, self-custody and keeping it safe, what it's backed by, inflation, the national debt, sound money, gold, and mining. No trading signals no Bitcoin price prediction. Just honest answers from people who've been in the arena. New episodes regularly. Produced in partnership @ProtocolPulse. Subscribe and hit the bell so you don't miss one. Gary Leland is a Hall of Fame podcaster and founder of BitBlockBoom, the first Bitcoin conference in the United States. Lawrence Lepard is a macro investor and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett is the former Fortune 200 CTO of Gateway Computers and a Bitcoin mining entrepreneur. George Bodine is Mel Sands is creator and producer. Every episode they break down what actually moves your money: Bitcoin as sound money, inflation and lost purchasing power, retirement risk, Bitcoin mining and energy, monetary policy, debt cycles, and why the financial playbook you grew up on stopped working. If you are protecting your savings, rethinking retirement, or trying to understand the biggest money shift of your lifetime, this is the conversation for you. Plain language. No jargon. No price predictions. Subscribe, leave a review, and join the conversation.

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