Inside Out: Mental Health at Work and in Life

MHScot Workplace Wellbeing CIC

In this MHScot-hosted podcast, we break down barriers and spark conversations about mental health. Starting in the workplace and extending outward, we’ll explore tools, stories, and initiatives that shape a healthier, more inclusive world. Whether you’re an employer, employee, or community member, tune in to discover actionable insights, challenge assumptions, and learn how nurturing well-being from the inside out helps us all thrive.

  1. 3d ago

    Don't Just Say Yes: Pressure and Patience at Work

    In this episode of Inside Out: Mental Health at Work and in Life, I'm joined by Richard Thomson, Deputy Client Partner at the Leith Agency in Edinburgh. Richard has worked in marketing and advertising since 1996 and is one of the agency's mental health first aiders. Richard works in a fast-paced, high-pressure industry. For him, a mentally healthier workplace is one that gets ahead of problems instead of reacting to each one as it comes up. He talks about how easy it is to put a spotlight on mental health for a week or a month and assume the rest will look after itself, when the pressure people are under changes from month to month. That's why he thinks it has to be a constant conversation. We talk about patience. When someone is struggling, the first thing you try might not work, and that isn't the end of it. Richard draws on his own experience. When his father died suddenly, the Leith Agency gave him the time and space he needed, and it took him years to process. It showed him that things can linger and change over time, and how much it helps to feel secure in your job. Richard also shares what has made a difference at the agency: listening to a staff survey and changing a decision about office days, splitting the bonus equally across everyone, yearly days where people share their views on how the company should work, and a meeting where the person who runs the company let people see how much a difficult year had affected him too. His one change for daily working life is simple. Don't agree to something before you've checked you can do it. Say you'll help, set expectations, then come back. Otherwise the pressure gets handed down the chain to the person with the least control. 🔑 Key Topics Getting ahead of problems instead of reacting to themWhy awareness weeks aren't enough on their ownHow one negative attitude can spread through a teamPatience when you're supporting someone who is strugglingComing back to work after a bereavementListening to staff and changing courseLeaders letting people see they feel things tooPeople pleasing, and how saying yes too quickly passes pressure down the chainYounger people asking open questions about how they'll be supported 💡 Did You Know? In Richard's experience, one negative attitude in an organisation can get more airtime than ten, twelve or twenty people who feel the opposite. 📝 Actionable Takeaways Keep mental health support on the agenda at regular company meetings, not only in awareness weeksIf what you try to help a colleague doesn't work, try something else, and give it timeWhen someone comes back after a hard time, don't expect them to be at 100% straight awayBefore you say yes, check what it involves and set expectationsAsk people what they need, through surveys or shared sessions, and act on what you hearInvite teams, including the leadership team, to share how they deal with stress 🗣️ Join the Conversation Have you ever said yes to something at work and wished you'd said "let me check first"? Share your thoughts and connect with us on social media.

  2. Oct 26

    The Power of Being Noticed: Better Conversations at Work

    In this episode of Inside Out: Mental Health at Work and in Life, I’m joined by Darryl Craig, a keynote speaker on men’s mental health and male domestic abuse, and founder of Fynix Project CIC, which runs trauma-informed CPD training. Darryl is also an author. Darryl’s starting point is that a mentally healthier workplace isn’t one where nobody struggles. It’s one where people don’t have to pretend they’re fine when they’re not. He’s done it himself. For years he was the one at work laughing and joking while falling apart inside, especially when he worked in sales. We talk about why saying you’re struggling can still count against you at work. Darryl asks who gets the promotion when two people hit the same targets and only one has said they’re struggling. He sees organisations busy proving they’ve done something: an EAP, mental health first aiders, a poster on awareness day. What he wants to know is what happens on a random Tuesday when someone is struggling. Most of what’s in place is for when people have already reached breaking point. His answer is better conversations. Managers who listen to understand rather than to respond, who aren’t trying to fix anyone, and who ask “what’s happened, what’s changed?” before “what’s wrong with your performance?”. As he puts it, behaviour is communication. Darryl also talks about the day four years ago when a passer-by noticed he was in crisis and called for help. It wasn’t a system or a policy that helped him, it was a person who noticed. It’s why he does the work he does now. 🔑 Key Topics Why a mentally healthier workplace is one where people don’t have to pretendHow saying you’re struggling can still cost you a promotionWhy most support only kicks in at breaking pointMental health culture as something you work on every day, not something you launchLosing human connection when teams message instead of talkingBehaviour as communicationListening to understand, not to respondInductions, probation and keeping a culture open 💡 Did You Know? The person who’s struggling often won’t look like it. In Darryl’s experience it can be the highest performer, the loudest person in the office, or the one looking after everyone else. 📝 Actionable Takeaways Swap “how’s your mental health?” for “you don’t seem yourself this week, is everything all right?”, then listen to the answerBefore raising performance, ask what’s happened and what’s changedListen to understand, not to respond, and don’t try to fixGet up and talk to people rather than messaging them across the officeMake sure your induction shows people how the culture really works, and that probation is about the job, not how someone is copingDon’t wait for obvious warning signs before checking in 🗣️ Join the Conversation Has someone at work ever noticed you weren’t yourself before you said a word? What did they do? Share your thoughts and connect with us on social media. Connect with Darryl: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/darrylcraigspeaker Website: https://www.darrylcraig.org Fynix Project: https://www.fynix.org.uk

  3. Oct 19

    Leadership Special: There Are No Casual Moments

    In this episode of Inside Out: Mental Health at Work and in Life, I'm joined by Noel Massie, leadership consultant and author of Congrats! You've Been Promoted, who spent 42 years at UPS and retired as Vice President of US Delivery Operations. This one is a little different. Rather than working through our usual questions, Noel takes us through his career and what it taught him about leading people on the front line. He started at UPS at 19, loading trailers part time while studying engineering, and found out he'd been promoted to supervisor when he turned up for his next shift. By the end, he was supporting 17 presidents and around 200,000 employees. Noel's argument is that leaders are always being watched. As he puts it, there are no casual moments in leadership. People decide how they see you, and they have their own terms and conditions. Cross those lines and people may quit on you, even if they don't leave. A lot of the conversation is about what happens when organisations promote their best worker and leave them to it. Noel's example is a forklift driver promoted to lead the team she used to work in, challenged in front of everyone two days in. His view is that it's not on her to sort that out, it's on whoever promoted her. He is critical of cuts to frontline leadership development, and of leaders who start with the spreadsheet instead of the people. We also hear about the people who shaped him, from an engineer at IBM who told him the smartest person in the room isn't always the best leader, to a UPS manager his team would "run through a wall for". On mental health at work, Noel is clear: teams with high conflict, poor relationships and poor mental health don't win. 🔑 Key Topics Why there are no casual moments in leadershipPeople's "terms and conditions", and quitting while staying in the jobPromoting your best worker without preparing them to leadWho should sort it out when a new leader is challengedCuts to frontline leadership developmentValues leaders show every day, not the ones on a plaqueMentors, coaching and investing in people before asking more of them 💡 Did You Know? When Noel joined UPS, the company was privately held and owned by the managers and supervisors who ran it. He says that's why, from his first promotion, he felt he had a stake in how his team performed. 📝 Actionable Takeaways Remember your team notices everything you do, not only what you say in meetingsBefore promoting someone, plan how you'll support them through their first yearAsk your managers to list the values they think matter most to you, and see if they match your own listOpen team meetings with a short conversation about one value, led by someone other than the most senior personMake time to coach every day, not only at review timeBe seen where the work happens, not only in head office 🗣️ Join the Conversation Think of the best manager you've had. What did they do that made the biggest difference to you? Share your thoughts and connect with us on social media. Connect with Noel: Website: https://noelmassie.com Order the book, Congrats! You've Been Promoted: https://noelmassie.com/book-order-page/

  4. Aug 31

    Talking a Good Game: Support Before the Crisis

    In this episode of Inside Out: Mental Health at Work and in Life, I'm joined by Justin Ray, a psychiatric nurse practitioner in Virginia. Justin owns South Chesapeake Psychiatry and Transforming Minds Interventional Psychiatry, and is the provider for the City of Chesapeake's Assertive Community Team. Justin spent 22 years in the US Navy, thirteen of them as a psychiatric technician, before qualifying as a psychiatric nurse practitioner. He now runs two practices in Virginia and works with an Assertive Community Team, reaching people with severe mental health problems who are unlikely ever to walk into a clinic. He calls it street psychiatry. That range gives him a particular view of where organisations go wrong. Plenty of workplaces tell people to speak up when they are struggling, then judge them when they do. As Justin puts it, we talk a good game without acting a good game. He makes the case for support that arrives before the crisis rather than after it, boundaries that leaders actually keep, and autonomy matched to what each person can carry, with room to step back and try again without it counting against them. We get into why leaders so often ask the wrong people. The most senior person in a field may not have seen a patient in years, and an answer that works on paper is not always the one that works in someone's front room. He is blunt about one-mistake cultures too: an organisation runs a process well ninety-nine times, gets it wrong once, and cancels the whole thing. Justin is just as honest about his own judgements, telling a story about a cinema in Puerto Rico, a room full of other people's children, and everything he thought before he had his own. What he takes from it is that reflection is the thing most of us skip. That sits awkwardly against workplaces now so lean that people are doing two jobs and the time to think has been designed out. 🔑 Key Topics Saying the right things about mental health, then punishing people who speak upSupport that arrives before the crisis, not after itAutonomy as something matched to the person, not handed out evenlyWhy leaders ask the wrong people, and what gets lost between the conference and the front roomOne-mistake cultures, and the paralysis of needing every box ticked before anything movesJudgement, bias and the reflection almost nobody makes time forWhere AI genuinely helps, and where it just adds to the pileCritical thinking, and why the best answer is rarely the only one 💡 Did You Know? Assertive Community Teams work the opposite way round to most mental health services. Rather than waiting for people to come to appointments, the team goes to them, often to people who are homeless or moving in and out of hospital. Justin says the things getting in the way are usually ordinary ones, transport as much as anything else. 📝 Actionable Takeaways Offer support before someone reaches crisis, rather than asking afterwards why nobody noticedCheck who you are asking. Put the expert view alongside someone doing the work todayWhen something goes wrong once, adjust the process instead of scrapping itMatch autonomy to the person, and let someone step back without it counting against themProtect time to reflect. It is the first thing a lean organisation quietly losesMake it safe to bring an idea, and safe to question one 🗣️ Join the Conversation Does your workplace offer support before things get bad, or only once someone is already struggling? Share your thoughts and connect with us. Connect with Justin Ray: South Chesapeake Psychiatry, his Facebook, Instagram and YouTube are linked there: https://www.southchesapeakepsychiatry.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-ray-pmhnpThe Neuropsychiatry Brief, his newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/the-neuropsychiatry-brief-7419766362270494721Transforming Minds on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61583368707307

  5. Aug 24

    Knowing Yourself: Values, Meaning and the Work You Do

    In this episode of Inside Out: Mental Health at Work and in Life, I'm joined by Eloise Skinner, an existential psychotherapist, former corporate lawyer and fitness teacher. Eloise spent five years in corporate tax law before retraining as a psychotherapist. She works in existential therapy, the field concerned with meaning, purpose, identity and values, and she also teaches yoga and Pilates. That mix shapes how she sees workplace wellbeing. Not mental health as a separate box, but what she calls integrated wellness, where physical health, community, a clear mission and a sense of greater meaning all sit together. We talk about what organisational change does to the people inside it. Eloise's point is that a shift in mission, or a period of scaling, arrives personally for every individual in the business, and that saying so out loud matters more than most leaders realise. We also get into distance: how easy it is in a large organisation to sit a hundred steps away from the person your work eventually helps, and how much motivation goes missing in that gap. The practical heart of the conversation is values. Eloise walks through an exercise anyone can do with a sheet of paper, and explains why an argument at work that upsets you far more than it should is often a value conflict rather than a personality clash. 🔑 Key Topics Integrated wellness, and why mental, physical and emotional health can't be split apart at workWhat organisational change does to the people inside it, and why acknowledgement mattersThe distance between someone's daily tasks and the person their work eventually helpsLeaders embodying what they ask of others, and the existential idea of dialogueThe knowledge held by people lower down an organisation that never travels upwardsA values exercise you can do on a sheet of paperWhy a disproportionate reaction at work is often a value conflictCareer change, portfolio working, and why fewer young people want to become managers 💡 Did You Know? Eloise estimates that around 90% of people entering psychotherapy come to it as a career change, often later in life. Her own route was five years in corporate tax law first. 📝 Actionable Takeaways Write down every value that matters to you, group the similar ones together, then narrow it to about five.For each of those five, write an example of what it looks like in practice. It brings them to life.Through the week, notice when you're living those values and when you're in conflict with them. A repeated conflict is telling you something.If your organisation is changing, name the personal effect out loud. Don't assume people will simply switch over.Connect the daily work to the person it eventually helps, and make that connection visible to the people doing it.If a job isn't a long-term fit, making the plan matters even when the move is years away. The autonomy is what helps now. 🗣️ Join the Conversation When did you last stop and ask what actually matters to you at work? Share your thoughts and connect with us on social media. Connect with Eloise: Website | Instagram https://www.eloiseskinner.comhttps://www.instagram.com/eloiseallexia UKCP research behind the 90% figure: https://www.psychotherapy.org.uk/news/personal-experience-in-psychotherapy-is-a-growing-motivator-for-joining-the-profession/

  6. Aug 17

    Not a Personality Flaw: Stress, the Nervous System and Work

    In this episode of Inside Out: Mental Health at Work and in Life, I'm joined by Charmian Johnson, a former global law firm partner, now founder of Charm Johnson Coaching and a Partner of The Mental Wellbeing Company. Through nervous system-aware training and coaching, she helps law firms reduce absence and attrition while improving performance and wellbeing. She also helps female lawyers move from overthinking and self-doubt to self-trust and feeling more like themselves again. Charmian trained in trauma-informed coaching at weekends while still practising, and what she learned changed how she understood herself and her own career. She had received feedback that under pressure, she could sometimes come across as frosty and irritable which she hated. At the time she struggled to see how she could do anything about it without changing the demands of the job. What she had never been taught, during three decades in law, despite mental health training, awareness sessions and resilience training, was anything at all about the nervous system. We talk about why organisations are spending more on wellbeing than ever and still asking why it is not working. Charmian believes an often overlooked piece is biological: understanding how our nervous system influences the way we think, feel and behave under pressure. Once people understand why they show up the way they do, the question in a workplace can change from "what is wrong with Dave in accounts" to "I wonder what is going on for him", and that small shift can change almost everything that follows. We also get into language. Charmian has learned that walking into a corporate environment and talking about being "trauma informed" can create misconceptions about what the work involves. In the workplace it doesn't mean a therapist digging into their staff's childhoods. However talking instead about being "nervous system aware" can open the door to the same important conversation about stress, behaviour and performance in a way that feels relevant and accessible in the workplace. 🔑 Key Topics Why wellbeing budgets keep growing while the results stay flatNervous system awareness as the piece traditional wellbeing strategies leave outThe invisible backpack of trauma we all carry into work, and why nobody else can see itWhy "trauma informed" can close doors that "nervous system aware" opensTraining everyone rather than a few, and the gap it creates when you don't 💡 Did You Know? A CIPD finding Charmian cites: half of organisations taking steps to reduce workplace stress did not think their wellbeing initiatives were effective. [Source: CIPD, Health and Wellbeing At Work: Survey Report, September 2025] 📝 Actionable Takeaways Notice the body before the behaviour. Shoulders around your ears, a clenched jaw and shallow breathing are early signs of a stress response, and they arrive before the outburst doesChange the question. "I wonder what is going on for them" gets you somewhere that "what is wrong with them" never willTrain the whole workforce, not a handful. When some people understand this and others don't, you have built a gap between themAsk someone for a coffee and a catch up. Charmian found some people who had not been asked once in five yearsLook at your data for overworking as well as absence. Both tell you something is wrong 🗣️ Join the Conversation Has anyone ever explained to you why your body reacts the way it does at work? Share your thoughts and connect with us on social media. Connect with Charmian: LinkedIn | Website https://www.linkedin.com/in/charmian-johnson-4a99725b/https://charmjohnson.thementalwellbeingcompany.com/

  7. Aug 10

    Being Human at Work: The Whole Person Behind the Job

    In this episode of Inside Out: Mental Health at Work and in Life, I'm joined by Nicky McLaughlin, Area Partnership Manager for Scotland at CAP (Christians Against Poverty), a debt counselling charity now in its 30th year. Nicky supports the debt centre managers and coaches who visit people in their own homes, often at the hardest points of their lives. That means holding two things at once: the toll that debt and crisis take on clients, and the toll that supporting them takes on staff. We talk about what a genuinely healthy workplace looks like when your team spends its days absorbing other people's distress. At the heart of the conversation is an idea Nicky keeps returning to: people are whole people. You don't leave your grief, your money worries or your home life at the door when you clock in. Nicky is honest about his own history, giving up a job years ago to stress and anxiety, learning that it was okay to say he wasn't okay at work, and why sharing doesn't have to be all or nothing. It's a warm, practical conversation about care, boundaries, and building a culture where nobody has to pretend they have it all together. 🔑 Key Topics Why the people drawn to caring work so often carry their own experiences, and what that means for supporting themThe whole person at work: why splitting your work self from your home self doesn't holdSharing without oversharing: telling what you need to tell, and why it isn't all or nothingModelling vulnerability as a manager, and why going first changes the cultureThe risk of assuming the one person who did the training is now the office's mental health serviceWhy a single check-in isn't enough, and the follow-up that so often gets missedSignposting over rescuing: you don't have to be the fount of all knowledgeDynamic flexibility: responding to the curveballs real life throws at working people 💡 Did You Know? CAP started 30 years ago with one man, a financial background and ten pounds in his pocket, in Bradford. It now runs around 250 centres across the UK. 📝 Actionable Takeaways You don't need the ins and outs of someone's situation to support them. Acknowledge what's shared and ask what would helpBuild your own "what I can say" script, so opening up feels safe rather than all or nothingIf you manage people, go first. Naming your own struggles gives everyone else permissionCheck in again weeks later. Distress often surfaces on a delay, long after the first conversationKeep a signposting list. Knowing who to point people to matters more than having every answerMake flexibility responsive, not just a line in a policy. The train delay, the school closure, the sick child 🗣️ Join the Conversation Where's the line for you between bringing your whole self to work and keeping some things private? Share your thoughts and connect with us on social media. Connect with Nicky: LinkedIn | CAP https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicky-mclaughlin-040257b3https://capuk.org

  8. Aug 3

    Culture Is the CEO's Job: Ego, Trust and Loss

    In this episode of Inside Out: Mental Health at Work and in Life, I'm joined by Michael Alexander, CEO of JAANUU, a fashionable yet functional medical apparel company founded in 2013 by a female paediatrician. Michael's core belief is simple: a CEO's number one job is to drive culture, and culture is what protects the mental health of everyone in the organisation. We talk about what that looks like day to day, from letting people "shoot the ball" and miss without fear, to keeping ego out of decisions, to picking up the phone instead of firing off another Slack. It's also an honest conversation about the harder side of leadership. Michael shares the sudden loss of a young, much-loved colleague, and how crying in front of the whole company became a moment of connection rather than weakness. We look at grief at work, why people's responses differ, and how a workplace can hold that together. 🔑 Key Topics Why the CEO's first job is culture, and how culture shapes mental healthPsychological safety, and creating a workplace where it's safe to "shoot the ball" and missHow ego gets organisations stuck, and why "be humble" is the leadership habit that mattersOwning mistakes as a sign of strength, not weaknessKeeping relationships close, treating small issues before they drift too far apartCommunication, consistency and coaching, and why the phone still beats the endless Slack threadValues that are lived versus values written on a wallGrief in the workplace, and respecting that everyone responds differentlyAI as a job enhancer, not a job replacement 💡 Did You Know? JAANUU surveyed 1,000 healthcare professionals for its "Scrub Effect" study, testing the idea that when people look good and feel good, they give better care at the bedside. Read the Scrub Effect study: 📝 Actionable Takeaways Make it safe to fail: people who fear mistakes stop taking the shots that move things forwardKeep ego out of decisions, aim for the business to win, not for you to be rightTreat "asking for help" as a strength your team is allowed to showMake micro-adjustments early, before a small tension becomes a hard-to-repair riftPick up the phone or walk over, you notice how someone really is when you're face to faceCheck in again weeks and months after a loss, grief often surfaces on a delayUse AI to enhance people's thinking, not to replace it 🗣️ Join the Conversation What does your workplace do when someone makes a mistake, punish it, or learn from it? Share your thoughts and connect with us on social media. Connect with Michael: LinkedIn | JAANUU Michael's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelevanalexander/JAANUU website: https://www.jaanuu.comScrub Effect study: https://www.jaanuu.com/blogs/stories/the-scrubs-effect-what-you-wear-shapes-how-you-care

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In this MHScot-hosted podcast, we break down barriers and spark conversations about mental health. Starting in the workplace and extending outward, we’ll explore tools, stories, and initiatives that shape a healthier, more inclusive world. Whether you’re an employer, employee, or community member, tune in to discover actionable insights, challenge assumptions, and learn how nurturing well-being from the inside out helps us all thrive.